Dude, everyone is talking about how the locks not “unpickable” and while that’s obviously true….it took a highly skilled picker THIRTEEN MINUTES straight to fucking unlock this thing. That is an ETERNITY in any real life scenario firstly and secondly I think its fair to say that it _will_ be unpickable for the VAST majority of people who tried to. Bravo to both parties on this one
And that was after 4.5 hours of him figuring out how to pick it, he was sent schematics of how the lock works, and he had the key, so he knew roughly what position each pin had to be
Agreed, it’s far from trivial and without knowing the design would have taken me so much longer than to work everything out and I’d probably have ruined the lock taking it apart to learn the mechanism considering there are 1500 bb’s in there lol. This was an extremely well done lock by Works by Design, both in execution and creativity and innovation considering how most locks are the same old tricks over and over. Having a key or seeing the bitting doesn’t really offer much in the way of help as feedback through the pick and tensioner are what tells you something is set or not.
Yes, but that kind of information (the 5h) will be shared and become available to pickers and professionals alike. It's not a measure of security, and shouldn't be relied upon. Still, it can help deter or prevent, some types of unauthorized access, by some low-skill party, in some contexts, via "security through secrecy".
The skillset needed to pick this lock in the field is so high it might as well be practicly unpickable. But it is awesome that some ppl still have the skill to do so.
Oh yeah it’s definitely unpickable in a practical setting, anywhere that needs something like this won’t give you almost 14 mins to pick it also if he didn’t know how it worked it probably would’ve taken much much much longer
If it takes an elite expert 13 minutes to pick it, that’s a win for works by design. A 4’ flat bar or pipe wrench would open the door in 15 seconds….or a hammer at a window in 1 second. Locks are a game played between honest people, houses are not vaults, defeating the lock is the fastest way only if you have a key.
He definitely did an outstanding job considering this was his 2nd design. I’ve given him some thoughts on how to make it even better and look forward to what he comes up with next.
Nah, lock picking is useful for thieves if they want to blend in. Easier to pretend to be the owner entering their house than breaking in. But that does mean it needs to be quick. People will get suspicious if you fiddle with the "key" for 10 minutes which is why thieves would be deterred after a quick go at a lock like this. And if stealth is their main goal, they would just move on to another house. But yea if they don't care about stealth, breaking in is faster and easier. But that is why locks exist, makes it harder for people to enter and any other means of bypassing the defense is going to be much more obvious to neighbors. It's also why criminals scout out the place to avoid eyes when they do the deed.
13 minutes of picking+4.5 hours of messing with it, combined with a video explaining how the mechanisms work along with having access to the schematics of the thing as well as the key itself
Absolutely, he made one of the best “challenge locks” i’ve ever picked and hope he keeps them coming. Thanks for the kind words and checking it out. I could probably pick it faster knowing the mechanism but would rather show that first open to be fair to him and keep things realistic vs a rehearsed video.
have to make a correction here..... after 4 and a half hours of study + 13 minutes to pick. i am willing to bet if Jim was unable to study the internal workings of the lock it would have taken Jim way longer than 13 minutes to pick. none the less, Cudos to Jim for defeating this challenge and i can not wait to see what happens with version 3 of this lock !
@@rayray1527 I'll take that bet. I'm thinking that if remove the 4 and a half hours of study then we gain that in picking time. I am far from sure but willing to bet to find out where the difference lays.
Finally got a chance to watch this one! Fantastic job Jim! 🎉Very impressive but not surprising! I just got this lock and I’m gonna give it a go today! Don’t know how I’ll do but wish me skill .. bc I don’t think luck will do it this time 😂. Thanks for the explanation and sharing this video! 🥰😘❤️😍
@@LadyLocks you’ll get it. Just find a z-bar to hold the plug back once you get the plug to recess. Once you’re there just keep going though the pin stacks. A hard stop is a set pin and you’ll feel the bearings get less mushy as more pins are fully set.
See, no matter how much effort a creator puts into a lock, as soon as they say it's "unpickable" that means the clock is counting down until someone picks it. Fantastic job on getting that open!
I don't think anyone (creator included) was under the illusion that a lock is "unpickable". The (imo) more likely reason they use that keyword is to get more clicks, for better or worse that's how the RU-vid "game" is played.
@@LooselyRigorous Perhaps, but at least this portion of the game benefits us all with better security options. Although, I notice Bowley makes no such claims of their products yet... 😛
@@htownblue11 I suggested to him a plate that goes between the plug face and housing that blocks rotation when pushed into the plug face or pulled against the housing.
Personal opinion, this is by far the best design. Any locks should be pickable however no locks should take -1sec to be picked _insert masterlock here_ Why do i say this? Because if you loose the key a lock picker will still get you out of trouble but it will stop any attemps from criminal from trying as it would take too much time.
locks exist to make it a bigger crime and to keep animals out. Opening a door when it's not locked and stealing your TV might not be breaking and entering depending on where you are.
For that application, this lock might be a bit overkill. It would be tough for a locksmith to crack it for you in the field if you ever lost the key. But yeah, there's somewhere between this and masterlock that serves customers adequately while thwarting low-skilled attacks enough that more obvious and destructive methods need to be employed to gain access.
I saw the "Unpickable" in tantalizingly sassy quotes and came right over. You never disappoint, sir. It is always a privilege to watch your work, thank you for sharing this astounding open!
"Click on 3, ... Binding on 4 nice click there and we've got this lock open. That is a very formidabele lock. The minute and half that it took to open was longer then I was expecting"
Thanks, I had been chatting with him before he even made the last video. You know I’m always trying to be the first to get a crack at “unpickable” locks
A big thing about this is that there's a video showcasing exactly how this lock works and is contructed. Imagine if you were going into this blind, It'd probably take significantly longer or require the lock picker to go out and buy one and then gut it to see how it works.
that only works for one time build locks. the research time isn't inlcuded in the pick time because "once known, always known" is a thing. security by obscurity only works until it is known how it works. it is still impressive that it took 13 minutes for him to pick it.
@@dovos8572 That is the spirit! Software is the same. Claiming closed source is more secure because you can't see bad code is how most companies get hacked. Safe stuff should be safe even if someone has access to the source code or the design.
Claim it Jim, "Public First" pick of the unpickable lock. Congratulations mate, that was awesome to watch how you had to tension it and all the changes of pick profiles to get this locks picked open. I was thinking that to counteract the tension behind the housing the designer could put a spinner over the keyway, that would prevent the front tension of that lock. A lock full of 1500 ball bearings, how tiny are those little beasties in there. What a gutting disaster waiting to happen. Wouldn't want to try and put them all back inside the lock without some kind of applicator. Bound to loose a couple hundred of them on the bench before it went back together. I hope the lock manufacture gives you this lock as a memento of the picking. Thanks for this video, cheers
How effective was the "fluid spring" system at putting a tamper on the feedback? Besides requiring linear tension, that seemed like the biggest factor in increasing the lock's pick resistance
@@Thesnakerox by the time the plug was fully recessed its impact was greatly diminished. By then several pins were fully set so there was only so much space for the bearings to go before they met the equilibrium as when the key is inserted. Mushy pins needed to be set and a set pin came to a hard stop and the key pin was completely loose.
Awesome picking Jim. Love to see the lock get picked. Love to hear how long it took you to learn the lock. 4.5 hours for Jim to figure out before this recording, is impressive by normal standards with teams of engineers. Taking that long for a lock a single person made in their shop is kind of crazy.
A great pick of a great lock. Really nice to see it being picked for the first time on camera, especially after seeing it being made. A huge amount of effort put into making it by WBD, and a huge amount of effort from Jim learning how and actually picking it. Looking forward to seeing the next version of the lock, and the next attempt at picking it!
I am a bit disappointed that it could be picked. But not that you did it. You must be really good at what you do! And that's the exciting part. Job well done. This is the 1st video of yours that I've seen. And I wasn't bored.
Thanks, and I understand. The exciting part is always seeing if it can be picked and for pickers a lock being picked before is even more pressure to get it than something that’s never been picked.
What a fulfilling experience it must have been for you - congratulations Jim. Just watching the design on WBD and now seeing you work on it makes me feel ile part of it 😂😂 can only imagine how great you must feel. Masterpiece display of picking and engineering.
Just imagine the bill you'd get if you locked yourself out of your house and needed to call a lock picker😂. First of all, i am pretty sure not every lock picker could open it.
that's so cool. seen him design this. incredible that he'd do it for sport when huge companies r&d don't come close in terms of innovation. oh and just subscribed to your channel. thanks for the video. enjoyed watching! 😃👍
This is how things should be done, inventor invents, breaker breaks, inventor and breaker talk, inventor improves and so on until optimum design is reached
Here is a way I can think of to increase the time to pick this lock. Install the lock 1 foot off the ground - the lower the better, keeping the lock picker uncomfortable is critical. Remember this guy is picking this in seated position and a comfortable table height.
What i find funny about this lock is when it is put on a door and because of the obviouse reasons the owner loses the key and has to call a locksmith. That guy will be pissed most likely when he/she sees the lock. P.S, this is my first time seeing you videos.
Honestly. Even though it isn't unpickable in a controlled environment. I'd still trust this lock over most others on the market. No average, run of the mill theif is gonna sit at a door for the 4.5, 5 hours it took for you to figure it out and slowly pick your way through this lock.
@@jonjacob1962 I agree but also keep in mind now that I’ve picked the lock and shown the methods used the next person to attempt it will have a much smaller learning curve and not need anywhere near the length of time I did to pick the lock. I can pick the lock faster now after understanding how the mechanisms interact. What you saw was the first ever open as it would have been disingenuous of me and a disservice to the efforts of Works by Design to upload a well polished and rehearsed video making the lock look much easier.
To anyone unfamiliar with lockpicking, I've seen "unpickable" locks of all sorts of designs, magnets, unique keys, several simultaneous keys, I've seen the lockpickinglawer pick a gun safe with an orange juice bottle. If a lock takes a professional lockpicker more than 10 minutes it is not only extremely effective, but such a serious deterrent to the average lockpicker that they will straight up give up and try either another lock or another kind of entry if at all possible, not that sticking to picking would be any more effective even with a detailed knowledge on how the lock works.
Just great work WBD, if it takes 13 minutes for an expert to pick it even if knows how it works. you should consider it as a big win, it's a very strong lock mechanism. Not unpickaple, but it's so hard and time consuming peoples might just give up.
@@Raikuthedragon you saw the very first open and all the time that went into finding a method to pick it. Now that it’s known people are picking it much faster. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5UUr8DEA1Zg.htmlsi=zipMdSJPH2HVcLGm
These locks would be great for apartment building for the outer lock to get inside the building. Though cameras are just better for item security and insurance.
One thing that some aren't considering is that the lock is on a vice. That would be MUCH harder if installed on a door, because it wouldn't be so easy to have a good position to tension it to begin with.
Very nice lock I thought you took long and would have had to use last resort. that in itself is a deterrent for thieves. I can't wait to see the final design to make it less bulky and harder to knock off doors next
@@nabilali3230 yeah it took me a while to work everything out and that was the first open of the lock. Recording a polished and rehearsed video of the lock once I’m very comfortable with it would feel disingenuous given that the lock itself was meant as a challenge to be picked.
What could be used is some traps that make multiple attempts impossible blocking the lock, even using the correct key. If you can't make it impossible to pick, you can make it impossible to do it in few tries. Each attempt with wrong pin position should move something in place to block the lock, after few tries it's blocked. If you use the good key to open before it blocks, the traps reset.
when I clicked on this video I thought it was going to be over in like 3 minutes and the rest was just going to be discussing it, I was soooooooo wrong lol
Not gonna lie as soon as WBD said in his video that one of these was going be sent to the reddit lockpicking community, the first thing that came to my mind was when you would upload a video on it, great work!
Biggest problem for locks is that you can just use a camera, get a picture of their key, and then open the door after making a replica. The only way to prevent this is having sheathed keys and the escalation on both sides would continue on and on
With schematics of the lock at his disposal and videos to showcase how it works + unlimited prep time, it still took an expert 14 minutes to pick it open. Yeah, in a real life scenario, this thing ain't getting picked. 😂
Wow, that was painful to watch, in a good way. Clearly very challenging, that face plate was definitely an unintended edge that wasn't much accounted for in the core design. I'm curious to see what he changes to work around it. I agree that whatever grips the pins needs more bite, either notches or some interlocking teeth, idk. Very impressive pick in any case.
saw this after getting recc'd worksbydesign's video showing how they made the v2 a week or two ago. really surprised you were able to pick that with just a pick and and 2 torsion bars
An extremely skilled locksmith took 13minutes to pick this lock. Imagine that a half decent locksmith would take atleast a day with this. Also no thief would get into this lock. If rake does not work its usually the window or pass
I’m no locksmith, just a lock nerd lol. Without knowledge of what they’re dealing with I doubt anyone would pick this in a decent amount of time. Thanks for checking it out.
It's like writing a piece of software meant for security and people finding out years later it had a zero day exploit inside it. Just keep on patching the bugs.
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