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5D classic and 10D sensor technology shames mirrorless! - The long story

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This extended session is about my experience comparing my classic sensor cameras to my mirrorless - not just the specs, but my actual user experience!
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@quazisanjeed6395 2 месяца назад

Thank you for the video. I have decided to pay no heed to the anarchy and disturbances created by mirrorless promotions. Just go about my hobby of creating images happily with my 1DIV, 5D, 5DII, 5DIII and 7D. Bought them all cheap exploiting the ignorance of the gear freaks. I could not have imagined affording them all within very short time had there been no chaos in the market. What a mega grand-feast!

@ShutterNChill 2 месяца назад

You have just listed my favorite cameras! I am surprised how little attention is to the 7D today, and how extremely low its prices are. What a magnificent camera. I agree with you, this chasing of the latest technology is just a band-aid for people who do not use their cameras, or just failed to learn to use them, and have the mistaken idea that when the camera calculates the exposure values for you, and gives a high resolution image that will be a substitute for having the ability to capture the moment. In my experience the more I let the camera decide for me, the worse my photography got. Sure, lot more "keepers", but all of those "perfect" shots are just getting the "delete" treatment as they say nothing. Going back to the 5D, 10D, my photography / ability to capture the moment has started to improve leaps and bounds. ;

@quazisanjeed6395 2 месяца назад

@@ShutterNChill spot on bro. Gear freaks are bound to miss the joy of photograply. In order to augment the joy of organic photography; I have added one full manual focus lens to my arsenal. Using it is real fun.

@brugj03 9 дней назад

Talkin about gear freaks.

@pedroemilioguglielmo8719 19 дней назад

Awesome video! D30 (2000) and D60 (2002) are in the same line as xxD. The same body, same prosumer line. Wikipedia has a Canon timeline template of those cameras for more details. All those babies have some eos-1 body resemblance. I have a D30, a 10D and a 50D. All bought this year. 😅

@neobluepill6051 3 месяца назад

As a user of the 5D classic, I agree with you the high iso (3200) is perfectly fine and retains lots of details. With modern editing software it cleans very well. I think that iso rating of 5Dc is more accurate than modern software that pretend. high iso performance beyond 3200/6400 iso. With 5Dc despite the noise, I don't have that "mushyness" of some modern sensor with fake noise reduction applied in the camera. Except for concert photography or indoor sport, the 5Dc is giving superb rendering. Also due to a weeker AA filter the sharpness is great despite the 12mp.

@ShutterNChill 3 месяца назад

I think the modern sensors rendering of high ISO is not like a photo anymore, but a very highly processed image that reminds me more of a generated image than a photograph taken by a camera. As the DxO mark sensor measurements confirm that there is not enough data at high ISO for the modern sensors, and the signal-to-noise levels are minimal, no wonder that the way to produce useful high ISO images is through heavy signal processing - which effectively produces a generated, heavily processed image, even at the RAW level. Sadly, RAW form modern cameras is not the pure sensor read-out anymore, but the signal processed product. Base ISO - no extra signal processing, but with higher ISOs the signal processing takes over the actual tonal range / color information / signal and detail content.

@daniellamarche689 3 месяца назад

Great content, you seem to explain things in a way that matters. Bravo.

@ShutterNChill 3 месяца назад

Thank you Daniel!

@aaronzipfer6031 3 месяца назад

Canon 5D is a Legend Camera, forever! I'm owner also 1Ds and 5D.

@dsx5036 3 месяца назад

If the EOS R has the same sensor as the 5D, then the R is the supreme EOS

@kevrosas1 7 дней назад

The EOS R uses the 5D mk4 sensor.

@TMxtt 3 месяца назад

Interesting video! If the 10D is equivalent to the original 5D in terms of sensor and colour rendition, what APS-C Canon camera is equivalent to the 5D MKII? I'm assuming the 50D has the 5D MKII's sensor, albeit in APS-C form? Is this correct?

@aaronzipfer6031 3 месяца назад

Not much right. Canon 20d and 30d have almost identifical pixel size circa 6,4 micron, like a 5d mkII

@TMxtt 3 месяца назад

@@aaronzipfer6031 That's odd, as I've tested the 20D, and the images are much more comparable to the 5D MK1 than the mkii in terms if colour and overall look

@aaronzipfer6031 3 месяца назад

@@TMxtt Yeah, 5D-1 and 20d have Digic-II processor on board. And colors and picture accent can be similar. But the size of pixels - architekture of sensors (,technic process) similar to 5D mkII.

@mibnsharpals 12 дней назад

The test is a little dubious... The progress of the M100 is still extreme. Here a 6 (APSC) megapixel, a 13 megapixel (full frame) and a 24 megapixel (APSC) sensor are compared!!! This means that the M100 has almost twice the efficiency in terms of light output. I would downsize the sensor to the pixelcount of the D5. then all values result in (approx.) 1.4. The same applies to the low ISO value. it is then around 1600Iso. In addition, the M100 has an APSC sensor, while the 5D has one that is twice as large. if bring the sensor to the same size and resolution, the sensor would be at a low ISO of 3200!!! Please compare the whole thing with an R8, which has a LowISo of 3200 and 24 megapixels. If the sensor were built with 13mpix, we would get a low ISO of around 4400!!!!

@radiozelaza 3 месяца назад

Synchronicity!

@RoderickPritchardPhotography 3 месяца назад

What about the D30? it is only 3mp

@mibnsharpals 12 дней назад

The jump from the D30 to the D60 was enormous. The D60 has twice the number of pixels, with almost the same noise and dynamic values. Such a leap has never been repeated in such a short time.

@ataboyboyboy8895 5 дней назад

Don’t laugh. Canon 5D mark Ii, Canon T90, canon Eos 1n, canon eos 1000fn, canon eos 100. Most used canon 5D ii, canon 100. I feel no need to upgrade.

@ShutterNChill 4 дня назад

The 5Dii is an amazing camera. My most talented professional photographer friend still has her 5Dii. When I asked her about the new mirrorless or other cameras, she said she will use the 5Dii until it stops working.... 15 years ago, as today, she is producing pure art.

@marekw8352 3 месяца назад

No Janusz, przez ciebie żona mnie z domu wyrzuci z tymi aparatami😁

@ShutterNChill 3 месяца назад

:) :) :) Same thing is happening to me!

@velvetvideo 2 месяца назад

For you classic Canon folks...do a websearch for Magic Lantern. You're welcome.

@ShutterNChill 2 месяца назад

So far the Magic Lantern site & all who posted on it said that it does not work on the classic. Was there a change on it? Would be a pretty far stretch as the 5D mk I does not have video capability. Would be nice touch though.

@mohammadaqeel7357 3 месяца назад

I have a 40D. Dreamy pics that I cant get with my M50

@ShutterNChill 3 месяца назад

Thank you! I have the exact same feeling with the 5D/10D/20D vs the M50.

@mohammadaqeel7357 3 месяца назад

@@ShutterNChill They say that the 40D at times even beats 5D classic in image quality

@user-vr3sq1kq6i 3 месяца назад

this is a very complicated subject that you can not just make generalizations about it . One of the most important things is the focusing system and camera like the D500 for SLR and Z9 for mirrorless will blow the Canon out of the water ...... there were also big issues with dynamic range being poor on the older Canon . The older Canon don't have eye focus so if you are using a wide f stop good luck nailing focus and if you miss focus on the eye forget about posting the image on line as you will be lambasted. There are other issues with older cameras such as how they reproduce magenta and purples - I can tell you - not well at all. The real test is printing images. There are issues with high iso images being noisy on old sensors . While I am not a mirrorless fanboy I can tell you the new Nikon Z f1.8 primes will blow the lens you are using out of the water. The big advantage is not the old sensor but the used large telephoto lenes that can be bought for great prices now that folks went mirrorless. There are better older cameras if you want a unique look such as the Sigma Foveon SD15 where you really are getting something unique.

@user-vr3sq1kq6i 3 месяца назад

one last thing - in the words of a professional photographer I know " test charts are for amateurs - pros never worry about them " .

@brugj03 9 дней назад

Pathetic video, a crappy M100 in comparison, so called mirrorless. Compair it with a Sony A7, the Sony will destroy the old Canon. The 5D is a museum piece. It`s completely obsolete.

@ShutterNChill 9 дней назад

My dear friend. I do not have an A7. Send me one, and I will compare the two. Promise.

@ChrisThe1 3 месяца назад

Staring at charts isn't going to get you anywhere. Although I've never used a 5Dc, I have used the 5Dii, and it stinks compared to more modern cameras in every regard. Even the 5Div beats it in dynamic range, color reproduction and low light performance, at least in my experience of owning these cameras. And modern mirrorless is even further beyond it.

@bozoc2572 2 месяца назад

Actually, modern full-frame cameras haven't significantly improved in color performance or dynamic range. If you're relying heavily on those few extra stops of dynamic range, you might be approaching your photography the wrong way. What has improved are the video capabilities and focus tracking. In other areas, the changes aren't as dramatic. For a real upgrade in photography, medium format cameras are the way to go.

@ChrisThe1 2 месяца назад

@@bozoc2572 i can‘t speak to color, as I haven‘t tested that as much, but in terms of dynamic range there is well over a stop difference between the 5dii and the 5div, and another stop to the r5. Sensors have improved massively. Also it‘s not that I need extra dynamic range, but rather it occasionally lets me get photos that I couldn‘t get with less. Overall I never really liked the image of the 5dii. it looks weirdly muddy, as if you get noise in bright daylight

@kevrosas1 25 дней назад

The 5Dii was not very good. It focused on video over stills quality. Why even comment if you haven’t used the original 5D? Why?

@ChrisThe1 25 дней назад

@@kevrosas1 what are you smoking? can i have some?

@kevrosas1 7 дней назад

@@ChrisThe1I’ve used and owned both. You haven’t. The colours of 5Dii were trash compared to the original 5D. As I said and as it was designed - the 5Dii was focused on video, not stills.