I've had my 2003 Range Rover for over 6 months now and have covered some 12,000 miles in it! But what has been the true cost of ownership? Not just financially, but mentally too...
Oh dear. I’ve passed on my terrible crack Range Rover addiction on to you and countless others. I don’t know whether to feel proud or incredibly guilty. You’ve got it bad, Joel. That said, I love Giverny Green - really suits it. As I was watching, I was thinking to myself “I ought to buy an L322”. Strange thing, addiction, isn’t it?
Bought a 2012 L322 Autobiography recently. Bloody love it. Spent £1.9k on it in 2 months (tyres, disc brakes, gearbox flush ect) but there’s no way it’s going anywhere. I can’t put my finger on it. Just buy an L322 guys. You’ll regret it, but you won’t have any regrets regretting it.
I recently got rid of my A7, I'm waiting for early next year for an F Type. But in the meantime thought I always loved this gen land rover. I know of the issues and regardless of a prefect model or bad model, they're all prone to issues... So decided to buy a cheap one. Paid 2k for a discovery 3. In 4 weeks I've fixed the epb, suspension, upgraded rear lights, cloth seats now to heated leather... I love it! Had bad snow up here at the weekend I spent it pulling people out of ditches in the North Yorkshire Dales... I don't think I'll get rid when I buy the F type
Good stuff man, just put $21k into my '12 Rover Sport Supercharged. "Buy the car you want, fix it when it breaks". Yep. It stings. Time to DIY for sure.
I bought a 1995 County LWB about 12 years ago. It now shows 258,000 miles, but only about 60,000 on the rebuilt engine I had put in. I love it and so do a lot of people: at least once a month, someone leaves a note on the windshield asking if I want to sell it. If you get one, maintaining it ain't cheap.
The term 'A second hand car is worth what someone has paid for it' is especially true when it comes to the FFRR. Unfortunately, the majority earlier version L322's are 5 plus owners down the line and are being sold with a whole host of issues which simply aren't addressed and passed on to the next buyer, who 'fancies' getting themselves into a RR for peanuts. Is what it is. This fantastic car will make you open your wallet and take what's there..and then it'll come back and ask for more. Owned my 05' plate 'autobiography' for 18 years. It's a second car, so covers a max 6k miles a year. Still wafts down to the Alps every year and has even crossed from Spain into Morocco and safaried though the Atlas Mountains.. and never missed a beat. It put's a smile on my face every time I drive it. It's immaculate and original spec..no added face lift parts and everything works BUT during my tenure ship of this vehicle, I have encountered and remedied just about every common fault there is. Wait until the heater blower packs up..that's a horrific fix for something so spurious. There is no such thing as a cheap RR. If you are prepared for that, hands down it will be the best all round motor you will ever own. Phenomenally capable beasts and I love them.
My 90k mile 4.4 V8 gen1 L322 is a weekend car but completely understand everything you’ve mentioned. Love it each and every time I hop into it. Tremendous trucks 👌🏻👊🏻
Had an 3ltr diesel L322 for 3 years and loved it. The attitude from other drivers was incredible, so courteous to the old girl. Took her to Ireland and Scotland and parked next to much newer RR's and Discos and she still looked the part despite being 16 years old. By far the comfiest car i've ever driven. 'Madge' made all her occupants feel rather special.....including my little dog. .....oh.....the only issue i had with this car was a dodgy fuel pump. On my short list of 'cars i must have in my life again' list. Only sold her to make way for a van to convert to a camper, which at the moment never happened. Passed everything on the roads after heavy snowfalls during the 'Beast from the East', Loved it.
Couldn't agree more. Range Rover's are fickle beasts, but also some of the best cars ever. Personally I prefer the previous gen P38 to L322, but can still admire them.
Last week i needed to pull a 12 ton truck out of a ditch in muddy terrain.... As it goes for most of my "offroad"- or "workhorse"-expierences, no cameraman around when needed (or just everyone too busy)... My two L322s (4.4V8, 3.6tdv8) are still tackling every damn task i'm throwing at them without complaining.... Just pure love!
I agree. That’s why I purchased the L322 brand new. The salesman took me on a highway and let 2 wheels go into the gravel on the side of the highway. He then slammed on the brakes and the car stayed straight. Most cars would spin out.
I bought an L322 2003 4.4 v8 Vogue 6 months ago...I do all the work on it myself. Currently welding up the rear jacking points for the MOT...I do blame yourself and Matt from High Peak entirely... 😉 it is a great car though... 😀
I like your general review of this car and I can definitely relate... some tips from owning one for almost 2 years, I'd suggest you check the rear upper knucle bushings as well as your front prop shaft going to the front diff. There were two types where the first type is a spline type and after many models ended up shaving them of, land rover replaced the splines with another type which is bolted on with 6 screws. Mine is at the mechanic as we speak for that reason. Other than that its perfect.
Glad you’re enjoying yours. I had a 2003 from 2008 to 2012. I was so pleased to sell it. The car was great when it worked but otherwise was a total and utter disgrace. It was totally unreliable, constantly breaking down, having things stop working, bits flaking off the door handles, the steering column failing, etc, etc - it cost a fortune. We got it when I went to buy a car for my wife, with me wanting to get a 100 series Land Cruiser. The RR caught our eye instead. I was so proud to have the chance to own a RR, something I’d never have been able to afford in the UK (I live in Dubai). I guarantee that if we’d bought an LC we’d still have it and it’d be running perfectly! It was also rubbish in the desert - tyres too low profile, too much plastic to get ripped off. Truly awful experience.
Wow! I know yours was an old model but still what a mess... I'm looking at the 2022 SV top dog model but still somewhat afraid via yours and all the other horror stories I've heard about how unreliable it is and costly to repair. I'd like to think that the newer model would be different but still. My wife drives two Jags with zero issues even though Jags and Ranges are made by the same company...
The rattle in the rear trunk is easy to fix. There are 2 screws right near the truck latch (right above the license plate) on the bottom truck hatch. They get loose and you just need to tighten them up.
I owned one and man, of all the cars I’ve owned? This one broke everything electrical. I spent $5800 over 3 trips to the dealer to repair the AC. It never ran more than 30 minutes after parting with my $1,000’s. That air bag suspension lasted as long as your garbage bag might after pouring boing water into it pre-filled with razor blades. And that’s another $4 or $5k. The cruise control NEVER worked- I didn’t know I had it for the first 3,000 miles, then when I did, it wasn’t there. The heated seats stopped working after 12,000 miles and the day after my factory warranty expired , it blew the transaxle/ $3600. The gas tank door stopped operating several times. Luckily Rsnge Rover has a work around they provide you in the tool kit (along with almost nothing practical). Obviously, they only include 1 such work-around tool. I needed 3. As for the front windshield? Make sure you up your insurance to cover cracks- the design is so boxy, any vehicle in front of you will kick up plenty of pebbles. That’s when your broker becomes your dinner friend as you’ll be calling him 3-4 times in the period of your ownership to get that replaced. The engine in mine was a Chevy block thing that never had much of a problem. But underneath it is another RR Beaut- the tranny overheat sender has a tiny unprotected wire that runs from the underside of the car up to the fuse box in the engine compartment. I happily learned this 120 miles from 4 corners on Navajo land when for no reason, the car just stopped running. At 60 mph on a lonesome dirt road, I found it hard to steer in a straight line as the power steering went out, with the engine shut down. Luckily I found the broken wire and an extra fuse found in my “Never leave home without it” kit. I have to stop here as the video above is ending and that amounts to about 1/2 of my experience. Course, resale is always a consideration. I gave mine to a friend. She no longer talks to me.
A relative of mine decided to buy a nice, shiny looking black 08 reg Range Rover a while ago. At the time I did hint at it not being the best idea he'd ever had, but he bought it anyway. After a few months, I heard the Range Rover was "being sorted" at a mate's garage. I never saw him driving it again....
Strange you quote Mat at high peaks auto but if I’m not mistaken I don’t recall him ever saying Range Rover break down more than any other car ? , yes he says have it if you want it & fix it if it breaks fix it others than that you both do very good videos
The question we prospectively L322 junkies need to know is, beyond the initial purchase cost, how much should we realistically set aside and budget for repairs and maintenance in the first year?
Just have £2,000 set aside for unplanned repairs. It won’t cost that much every year, but it will randomly demand that much at any given moment. For planned maintenance (tyres, brake pads etc), it’s the cost is double that of normal cars, and the frequency you need to replace them is around double also.
Amazingly accurate and truthful analysis. A brilliant video!!👍 Sorry for the thread creep but I am on the verge of getting a Freelander, last of the range, diesel. SD4.🙄 You'd 'sooner go bust than give up the car...............'? That's dedication!! 18 MPG - ? It's a very tough life. I couldn't handle that in a world of 70 MPG with Diesel at £1.58/litre if you're lucky. Sorry, I loved your video but 18mpg has just now knocked me out if the ball park. By the way, for a Rangey, that's very good MPG! "Today, there was a sudden sharp unseasonal increase in Approved Used Range Rovers Sales figures!" (I want to marry a girl whose dad owns a fuel refinery.)
Hi. Your issue with wheel wobble could be wheel balancing or a out of shape tyre (also out of shape tyre can cause wheel bearing type of noise). Had my L322 for 3yrs now (89000 on clock when bought now 117000) lovely car and as you say its a joy to drive.
I've joined the Crack club too. I managed to buy a 56 plate vogue SE from a very dear friend who sold it to me for a give away price of £1,500 the rear wheel arches need replacing and a few little job's but I enjoy every minute of driving it Brilliant video and another subscriber to your channel. Kind regards Mel Jarvis
Some nice mud flaps to finish it off, especially to stop stone chipping the sills ! 👍 I have a face lift 2010 sport l320, and love every mile i drive !
Joel, really interesting and great video. I can't believe how unreliable the RR is, it is incredible to learn just what people will put up with to look down on other drivers! My 20 yr old Puma (owned from new) has just had a petrol pump fitted and that is it, in 20 years, nothing else, just service, tyres and exhaust plus one battery. It goes like a train too, perfect for fast B roads and the like, plus 40mpg. SO- which to choose as a daily driver? Hmmm....
brother had one for a short while in 2010 ..........said it was nice to drive but a lorry would return better diesel milage ...........and the road tax here would bring tears to your eyes .............
I've got a 2001 Puma, great drivers car, the only problem I have is keeping the rust at bay, I'm sure Ford left mine out in the rain before they painted it......
Thank you for another interesting upload. I understand your passion for the RR and it’s great to see your enjoyment. Off tropic what’s the watch your wearing ?
Great cars if you’ve got a family, dog & do car boot sales etc, but they are getting old now, engines are not their downfall but the gearboxes, suspension & compressors do fail. Fuel costs, tax & emissions, ulez etc if near city’s are making them unwanted so they are available but you have been warned if you get one and it brakes the bank! Love mine but wouldn’t buy one again due to the emissions changes coming in! Great review!
Great video Joel, very informative. I’ve been looking at Range and Land Rovers, maybe a Discovery 4 as a 7 seater would be handy but I’ve always wanted a Range Rover as my uncle had a Classic many years ago. Subscribed mate.
The rare dirty Range Rover is a delightful thing. A co-worker owns a 2012 supercharged version and is located in the city, thus has never taken it off road and baby's it like a helicopter parent going so far as to refuse driving it in winter due to the city salting the roads and possibly causing rust. Yeah, it's his property, but dang it's supposed to be a luxury off road vehicle lol. It looks nice though.
I’m not an owner Joel. But in the car trade and a petrol head I totally get it. Hate to think of the chore need get best value Petrol available , most my fuel for free but mostly driving Fiesta Jazz 107 Aygo. Lol.
Sorry to hear about ebay. You must be able to get it through one of the auction houses and at least they can screen the bidders better. My 5 litre SC is dpendable and ridiculously quick. Shame I'm in Vietnam or I'd hook up with you for a test drive. My E66 needs some love with the rear strut going. 1200 quid per side OEM....
I have a 2011 RR Sport Supercharged. It’s the greatest vehicle I’ve ever owned. It handles like my Audi S4 used to and it hauls my Airstream like my Escalade used to. I put a CarShield warranty on it as soon as I bought it and have never even had to use it. I hauled my Airstream all over the country, including the mountains of Colorado. I did have the dealership install a trailer brake package (do this). The greatest most capable vehicle I’ve ever owned. Period.
I think it's a Landy or RR bug I think some of us get bitten by it we end up putting up with a lot of problems and little things but we love them to bits
I like your watch. I’m guessing its an omega, just like james bond, range river, omega, and this year apparently a nokia phone. What’s the omega model tho? I did like it I’m surprised
I do think this is the only true way to speck a proper Range Rover. Clear glass, nice subtle green, with dirt on it. So many people make the mistake of making their Range Rovers into gaudy status symbols with blacked-out rims and privacy glass trying to look tough. Range Rovers are supposed to be subtle, sophisticated farm vehicles that are rugged looking, not city slickers
I'm looking to get a 2009 sport model do you think that would also have alot of problems repairing an stuff? Also do they cost alot? I love the design of these range rovers they are definitely timeless
With the issue you have with wheel wobble at 60mph I have the same on my BMW X5 and my BMW specialist Mechanic said cheap tyres on 4x4 cars can cause this issue.
Seems like a decent drive. A question- how do you afford your insurance on all your cars after moving to London?I remember your video about your bmw where your insurance just skyrocketed.
Thinking for such a long time to buy one, maby a version older ~1998. I like those looks more, my main concern is the money I need to pump in to it, to keep it driving. Besides the repairs and gas you also have tax to pay to own the car -and insurance.. long story short I need to check if the money will be worth it. But there is only one way to find out
Was waiting for the horror list of complaints... a blown brake line and a few rattles, on a 20 year old car you paid £2k for??? Thats it?? 🙄🤣🤣 Subscribed
joel nice see range rover as your ever day driver also try automatic gearbox flush that may stop ever so often going funny we all look forward updates see you drive in
Joel, as a crack addicted 5.0 Supercharged L322 owner, you are totally TOTALLY screwed 😂. Matt @ High Peak has a LOT to answer for!! I’m around 9mpg, but with a MASSIVE grin every time I pull away from a junction
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lovely motors Dont like the rust .ie rear tailgate rust all get it . and the dreaded rust around rear wheel arches .mostly n/s.and all other thing that give out .air suspension bags fail air pump fails .rear wiper packs up . speedos led display digits fail thou repairable.. plus steering joints knock out quick .all in all if you bear that in mind .lovely cars
Wow, an eighteen year old Range Rover you bought for 2,000 pounds with more than likely a very large number of miles on the speedometer and it costs money to repair. Surprise, surprise. I’m on my fourth RR and I have had zero problems with each and loved them all. Just gets old listening to one that probably just bought the thing to complain about on his RU-vid channel. What other car the same age, valued at the same price with comparable miles would run so much better? I realize you say you really enjoy the RR but really you are just whining about repair cost on a high mileage, very inexpensive, 18 year old car.
Had a good test drive in a TD V8, for a bulky car outside, disappointing inside, the ride certainly wasn't any better than any other car I've driven, very smooth engine, for me nothing else going for it, given how unreliable they are, best given a very wide berth, like the Aussies say, want to go into the outback take a Landover, if you want to get back take a Toyota.
The 2009+ facelift cars infotainment sucks; still no music streaming. I think there's no cheap android option to upgrade face lift cars. I pray to the battery gods that my L322 starts before I press the button, as mines let me down twice!
