6th-gen 4Runner: Killing the competition… including its own “brother vehicle?”

Подписаться 10 тыс.

Просмотров 4,5 тыс.

50% 1

Hey guys! Well, you’ve asked for it so today we are going to talk all about the new 4Runner and what it means for the horrendously expensive new Land Cruiser! Toyota calls these two brother vehicles but is this a sibling rivalry where only one sibling can prevail!?

Опубликовано:

28 сен 2024

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист

Посмотреть позже

Комментарии : 103

@cbeserra 5 месяцев назад

4R appeals to younger people, LC to older, imho.

@Segu88 5 месяцев назад

I thought the Venza was being replaced my Crown Signia? I agree with your analysis. For the price I would go with the GX if I wanted more luxury. The new 4 runner looks 🔥 Toyota definitely did amazing with this one.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Toyota is saying that but the Crown Signia is in a different vehicle class. It’s a solid midsize 2-row crossover, in other words the Toyota version of the Lexus RX. The Venza was a compact crossover Toyota version of the NX. So personally I see that as Toyota entering a new segment versus with a new product.

@joecrash1232 5 месяцев назад

The Crown Signia is like a hybrid-powered station wagon alternative to a Subaru Outback. It might be interesting since there might be a hybrid version of Subaru Outback after the upcoming Subaru forester hybrid.

@sushibooshi 5 месяцев назад

Great analysis Josh. Toyota and Lexus really stepped up their game this year but definitely seems like this was a pricing error to say the least which will result in poor LC sales. I also think toyota also mistepped with the bz4x as well which is now basically being given out for free through lease deals. Excited to see what they do for the RAV4 redesign for 2026 though.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Thank you! And yes, it’s really quite strange. As for the BZ4X, yeah… EVs are a whole other game right now. I don’t think Toyota misstepped so much as the market around them changed drastically. Tesla started dropping prices for their superior EVs and EV buyers don’t value long term reliability and dependability the way the typical Toyota buyer does. And I’m looking forward to the new Rav as well!

@stephenmendes2289 5 месяцев назад

Spot on perceptive critique pointing out qualities in materials and market positioning that others do not perceive or tout.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Thank you! And thanks as always for watching!

@1991windsor 5 месяцев назад

Great video, Josh! I'm going to be purchasing a 5th gen 4Runner here in the next couple of months (as my Honda was recently totaled when I hit my first deer). I've always loved the 4Runner. I've had a Camry, Avalon, and Highlander in the past and loved all 3 of them, too!

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Great choice!! You can’t go wrong with the 5th gen’s proven longevity and dependability!

@davidheaton6206 5 месяцев назад

Yes Josh. Question of value for the LC. LC would be better value if having TTV6 with more towing, 3rd row and EKDSS. If that was all included for the price then the value would be there. LC would then tow more than 4R and have better articulation. then what separates GX. Not much but not much separates 200 series LC from LX 470. That’s perfectly ok with me

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Yes! Agreed.

@loydlamberson8942 5 месяцев назад

I have a preface 5th Gen and I'll be buying me a brand new 5th Gen. Even the new 6th gen is still made in Japan, quality has gone down due to prices.

@TEQLC 5 месяцев назад

Love your videos, humor, and I totally agree with this. I pulled my deposits from early Land Cruiser spots at Toyota dealerships, and now I'm one of the early ones for a GX 550 Overtrail. I'm a Toyota fan boy, but just couldn't see getting the 250 over the 550. No lack of masculinity here, lol!! 🤣😂😜If I do end up with a GX 550, it must have been one heck of a test drive, because it will take something special for me to trade my 460 for. We shall see. Oh, and I would take a new 4Runner TrailHunter over the LC 250 if I were going that route. ;)

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Hello again! Apologies for the delayed response. Yes! Same here, I don’t see the reason to get the LC over the GX. Be sure to look into some of the issues the V35 engine has had; personally I’d give the new GX a least a year before jumping into it. And I think you have the same GX Premium Plus that I do, you’ll need to upgrade to the Overtrail+ for Mark Levinson if you wish to keep that in the new one.

@TEQLC 5 месяцев назад

@@joshjamescars No worries! I really appreciate your thoughts. I'll consider them. ;)

@hipsilantro27 5 месяцев назад

The Land Cruiser does offer iforcemax as standard i believe, and maybe even eKDSS. So if you just want the look and feel of a truck, the lower 4Runner trims offer that. The confusion really hits when you go to higher trims, and then the 4Runner offers 7 seats. Completely agree with your analysis and I wonder which model will consumers favor over time

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

It does, but I would hope that at $55K (where the LC starts) you’d also getting the turbo hybrid on the 4Runner. And yes! Totally agreed at the higher trims where the 4Runner offers features that aren’t available on the LC.

@ianwoodul7732 Месяц назад

Tbh Akio prolly has some master plan but from my perspective. I really dont know. Would you do a video on the lx600 btw?

@joshjamescars Месяц назад

If I can get my hands on one, I definitely will! But I’ll tell you that would not be my pick in that class. I’d go for the new QX80 instead.

@damnjustassignmeone 5 месяцев назад

The Land Cruiser is 4 inches taller. So it’s better if you expect to have adults riding in the back seat. I take several road trips with friends every year. So that’s a consideration for me.

@gianniclaud 5 месяцев назад

This was a great video. I think at this point deciding between the 3 would be a mostly emotional process, with the Land Cruiser provoking the most from its design and heritage. If it were a practical decision, the Land Cruiser would make the least sense. It doesn’t have the cache of Lexus, nor the flexibility of a 4Runner. But the reality for all 3 vehicles is there would be a disproportionate increase in value to price ratios from their predecessors, all things considered - especially with materials quality declining and cheapening across the board.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Thank you! And yes I agree wholly with all of what you say. As for the price point, I’m not sure if that will be the case because I was shocked to see the Camry’s prices have mostly stayed the same. The XSE hybrid is the same price as the XSE V6 so it went up, but on the low end, the Camry LE hybrid is actually a bit cheaper than the outgoing base hybrid. With the 4Runner, the Trailhunter, TRD, and Platinum will likely be more expensive (in the $60K range) but the Limited might stay around the mid-$50s where it is today.

@mercboy111 5 месяцев назад

Agree Josh and that’s why for the longest time Prados were sold only in Europe, Australasia, etc. and the North American cousin 4Runner only sold in the US. It makes no sense to sell both in the same market haha.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Right!? And why we only ever got the Prado as the GX. I would also have bet money that the 4Runner would only get the detuned turbo I4 while the LC250 got the more powerful turbo hybrid I4, but they have literally the same engine so I really just don’t understand why we have both. 😅

@mercboy111 5 месяцев назад

@@joshjamescars it’s what you said on your previous post : corporate greed at its finest. I wouldn’t trade in my 1GR J150 for the new J250 four pot. Pls don’t let go of both your 4Runner and J150 GX :)

@GoodSamLegend 5 месяцев назад

I like both, the Land Cruiser and the 4Runner, and I am not a big fan of the new GX, mainly because I do not like the new V6 3.4 engine. That little 4 cylinder engine is a much better built engine than the V6 and the power of the 2.4 inline 4 is adequate for the size of those vehicles. In addition, I could work on the i4 but not on the V6. I also do not care about the hybrid versions.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

The new T24A 2.4 is a different 2.4 than was used in the past. It’s from the same dynamic force engine family as the V35A 3.4 V6 which means a lot of the general architecture is shared and it’s also turbocharged as standard. The reason I say that is both engines are new (and reliability is still TBD), and both are going to be similar to work on

@GoodSamLegend 5 месяцев назад

@joshjamescars I can work on the 2.4 in my garage, but not on the 3.4L, and btw, this engine is used in other Toyota/Lexus vehicles, for example the 2021 Lexus NX has this one. You are also right, there are some modifications for this engine in order to make it sturdier and has a beefier cooling for the Tacoma application. My point is that while I do not like 4 cylinders engines or the V6 engines, I rather have the 2.4L than the 3.4L. The power is adequate, the space to work on is much better. The front of the truck/SUV will be lighter. The engine will be cooled much better as well. And most importantly to me, I do need a special equipment to separate the frame from the body of the truck/SUV in order to work on the turbos, which eventually will fail as it is the case with the V6 3.4L. Is that an issue for 80/90 percent of the people? Of course not. Not everyone is a mechanic/DIYer, and not many people keep their cars more than 5/6 years. In addition, companies like Toyota/GM share a lot of parts and even when you go from one generation to another generation, some of the designs flow through or are slightly changed. I really enjoy your videos, because you see things from a consumer prospective. Most of auto journalist seem to miss that. From my personal observation, auto journalists seem to like a vehicle that no one buys. They are simply out of touch.

@seanh2390 5 месяцев назад

good video!

@mikeyc7072 5 месяцев назад

The new 4Runner looks like it was designed by Gamers; very muscular and macho. The Land Cruiser looks like it was designed by Adults. All Land Cruisers include Fulltime 4WD, only the 4Runner Limited (and new Platinum) have Fulltime 4WD…🤔…thinking out loud🤷🏼‍♂️

@meltucker5520 4 месяца назад

Same reason I’m going for Land Cruiser- it’s more classic looking, 4 runner looks like 30 and below suv (like a Jeep does, younger generation look)

@Dutchcoffee761 5 месяцев назад

I think Toyota is looking at the Land Cruiser and GX as one product line. Land Cruiser models are the entry trims while the GX takes the “luxury “ and off road specialty trim

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

I’ve thought that too! It is rather annoying to not get the Lexus dealer and service experience with the LC, though.

@mikeyc7072 5 месяцев назад

I have yet to see any mention of the Suspension on the Limited and new Platinum 4Runner trims. XREAS on the 5thGen Limited is hated by 2/3 of the Internet; however, XREAS helped a lot with Nose Dive and Body Roll. IMO - the best on-road 4Runner trim!! What is Toyota doing on the 6thGen Limited and Platinum to improve on-road handling for these “Luxury” models?!?!

@ktm250xcw 5 месяцев назад

Because the fact that’s it’s different and the name itself. In a sea of clones (being Runners), I’d buy the Land Cruiser just to be set apart.

@Rdrunnersac 5 месяцев назад

4Runner Pro and Trailhunter will be right around the exact same price as the Land Cruiser with the $4,600 premium package. Upper $60’s approaching $70k.

@seanj3695 5 месяцев назад

I agree with your analysis. I didn't understand why the LC and the 4R are kind of the same thing and being sold side by side, but after watching your video it kind of hit me. The LC is more simplistic and kind of no frills, everything you need, nothing you don't, big solid SUV that can handle anything and that's exactly what the 4Runner is right now in the 5th gen. Because Toyota is selling so MANY 4Runners in the current iteration while lacking a ton of stuff compared to modern SUV's, they realized there is a huge buyer group that wants those things. But the other huge buyer group is just off road fanboys and girls who want a 4runner because its "cool". So I think Toyota can grab 2 huge segments of the market by using the new 4runner to sell to the "I want to look cool but actually have reliability" fans and also to the other part of the market who just wants a solid Off-roader with no frills and reliability. Like me for example, I keep thinking about it, but if I were to buy one of these, I would get the LC, because it represents a more modern version of the current 5th Gen 4runner I have now than the new one. But you are correct, if you're thinking of getting the LC you really should just get the Lexus.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

This is an interesting take! I think the 4Runner SR5 will also be the same big and solid, no-frills SUV as well, however, likely at a much lower price than that of the Land Cruiser. It won’t have the iForce Max powertrain that the base Land Cruiser will, but given its lower cost, that would be a worthy trade off. Since they share the same frame, engines, and transmissions there shouldn’t be a difference in performance or solidity.

@RitchieRich77040 5 месяцев назад

evil twins

@tombrodzinski157 4 месяца назад

Spot on analysis. 4R is made only for North America. New LC will be sold World Wide. I think Toyota expects LC sales will be relatively low as per your points but big elsewhere where 4R won’t be available.

@ericbeech2652 5 месяцев назад

I see it as a style choice for those who prefer boxy vs.curvy. I'm having trouble deciding between the two!

@beeslandscaping 5 месяцев назад

The new 4runner is the best value out of all the new trucks from toyota

@Jay-bw3fl 2 месяца назад

I bought a 1958 Land Cruiser last week. I think Toyota has really just created enough overlap with these three suvs to cover every possible buyer. My reasons for buying it instead of waiting on the new 4runner are: 1. I like the styling inside and out much better and I love the retro cloth (I don’t like leather or pleather) 2. I wanted the hybrid but I didn’t want to pay for a top trim on the 4runner to get it (likely 65k+ by seeing the Tacoma pricing) 3. I like all time all wheel drive I agree it is a strange niche that I don’t think will sell very well over the long run after the 4runner comes out but for me it was a winner and I love it so far. I had a 2023 40th anniversary 4runner and although I did love that suv I do not miss anything about it whatsoever and have zero regrets. I like the Land Cruiser more every time I drive it.

@joshjamescars 2 месяца назад

Congrats on the Land Cruiser! These are some great insights here, I appreciate you sharing!

@nicholasdupre6916 5 месяцев назад

I don’t mind the look at all of either the LC250 or the 6G4R. But if we’re gonna have to accept a turbo charged 4 cyl and with it more maintenance needs in the name of better mpg then at least sell them at the same price of the outgoing engines or even less. But to ask for a higher starting price AND higher maintenance cost (which cancels out whatever gas savings) is just insulting.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Yep! And both need premium as I understand it. And a MUCH higher starting price based on what we saw from the Tacoma earlier this week.

@Freynightwalker 5 месяцев назад

I think the LCLC has a higher weight capacity than the 4 runner. That means when I tow with the LCLC I cN carry more in the vehicle. If that remains the case when both are on the market then it would be a deciding feature for me to select the LCLC over the 4 runner platinum. Can anyone confirm or refute this weight capa ity difference?

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

I’m not sure if thats been officially released by Toyota for the Land Cruiser and it definitely hasn’t for the 4Runner. However, it’s worth noting that they’re built on the same frame, share the same engine, and are both rated to tow 6,000 pounds. The 4Runner will likely be a little lighter as well so I’d actually imagine payload will be higher on the 4Runner, though not by a lot. You’ll have MUCH better tow/haul numbers on a Lexus GX with the twin turbo V6 (9,000 lb tow capability).

@Freynightwalker 5 месяцев назад

I like the mid level LC LC, GX like specs, but more affordable. I will, however, seriously look at the 4 runner platinum

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

It is more affordable but you’re also giving up a lot of power and capability by choosing a LC over a GX. See my other, longer reply.

@japk72 2 месяца назад

very good and honest opinion

@supersoup5509 5 месяцев назад

I have both and the new l cruiser will be better but both good. The gx is nice but l cruiser way more sporty .

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

If you have a Land Cruiser, it’s not the same as the new one. Yours is the flagship heavy duty series and this new one is a light duty Prado series. With a smaller engine than the new GX, so I think the GX will be the more engaging one to drive.

@ajbrawlstars8249 5 месяцев назад

Could you make an update video on the GX?

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Sure, what would you like to know? Everything I mentioned in my 6 likes and 6 dislikes is also still the case. :)

@ajbrawlstars8249 5 месяцев назад

Thank you Josh! I really like your GX videos as we have a GX ourself so it’s just really nice! I think one year of ownership is coming up so you can talk about how it has been so far! I would like to hear your thoughts on how often you use the car and how it has been as a daily driver! How is the fuel mileage for yourself? Thank you!!

@RSwrightMD 5 месяцев назад

Josh - a great video and comparison of the vehicles! You nailed it as far as I am concerned. I previously owned a LC 200 series and learned that the new LC would be the 250 "Prado" series - aimed a lower price point for re-entry into the US market. The more I studied the LC, the more I realized it was not going to be my previous LC. I do not think a 4 cylinder hybrid is anything near what my old V8 is/was. The fit and finish of my 200 LC series was top tier. I also learned that Toyota wants the Sequoia to be its top of the line SUV in the USA over the LC. I had a Sequoia before I bought the LC. I am aware of its strengths and weaknesses - it is just too big for me and my wife now. It was great when we had kids at home. I travel a bit for work and love renting a 4 runner when on the road. It is a great car. I like the feel of the 4 runner better than the LC with regard to handling and the pre-2025 models have been easier to park than a 200 series LC. I think your advice on these cars is wise economical advice to all. I suspect that no driver could tell the LC from the new 4 runner if such a comparison could be made blind-folded, but that is not feasible nor safe. For any of your viewers who want a new LC but cannot find one available, I think the Lexus GX and LX models offer a better value product - yes more expensive but way nicer and more sophisticated. Keep up the great videos!

@jeff01922 5 месяцев назад

Agree with everything you said and laughed at some of the descriptive words you used 😂. I pulled my deposit on the new Land Cruiser and went with the last 5th Gen 4Runner. There aren’t many used GXs for sale where I live and of those with low kms, are priced almost the as brand new. As you said, the new 4Runner interior will probably be very similar to the new Tacomas so I sat in one and boy was I disappointed - lots of cheap plastic. However, the platinum trim was very nice so there’s hope the new 4Runner. For me, the deal breaker not waiting for the 6th Gen 4Runner was the 4-cylinder turbo.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Hey Jeff! Glad I could give you a laugh! And great choice with the last gen 4Runner. Btw, are you the one who emailed me? If so, congrats on your retirement present! Cheers!

@wonderboy1998 5 месяцев назад

Yep....He said what he said in my Nene Leaks voice. For me they brought that particular model to Us as a cash cow to be honest . And that was a great question...Why bringing this model to Us market if we have 4runner already and Lexus Gx and Tacomas?? Like you mentioned: heritage. Land Cruiser name carries weight and nostalgia for American market. But the gag is, if I had the coins to buy all these models...baby I'll do it in a heart beat, i'll be like : Monday Prius/Tuesday Tacos/Wednesday Runner/Thursday Camry and Friday Corolla ...Sat and Sunday Lexus Gx. Edit: what your thoughts abt the new Camry and other Toyota's reviews that them folks are dropping out?

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Gotta always use the Nene Leaks voice!! “The ghetto” tends to come to mind when I sit in certain new products with the “other” Toyota badge on them. ;) And hahaha I’m with you! Let’s win the lottery and buy all the toys!

@K.T.789 5 месяцев назад

I put my deposit on GX550 Overtrail. I was on the edge between Hybrid from LC vs non Hybrid from GX. Still think non hybrid is easier to deal with when the car gets old. The price of LC once you add premium package to match GX, then it is now about the same. Where GX you get E-KDSS vs LC gets SDM. GX also tows more than LC. One thing I love LC is 2400W inverter. Everyone has different needs and justification. All 3 are great vehicles. Happy motoring! BTW, love your analysis. Keep up your good work!

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Yep! The only thing with the base Overtrail is that it’s missing some of the nicer features like Mark Levinson that come on the Overtrail+ and Luxury.

@kurtburkhardt5862 5 месяцев назад

I have a 2014 4Runner Trail (TRD offroad) and have set it up for Overlanding. It's a beast and gets beastly fuel economy. I will probably get the 4Runner Trailhunter as it is set up for what I do already and I don't want to void my warranty. If the LC had more capacity and offroad gear I would consider it. Look forward to more power and better fuel economy. I guess we will see, depending on availability and price gouging...

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

The Land Cruiser is said to do about the same in 0-60 in 7.8 seconds as the current 4Runner so not sure if we’ll see a big difference there, though it will have the electric torque which should feel faster off the line. And the Trailhunter is definitely a great trim! Based on the Tacoma Trailhunter’s price I’m guessing the 4Runner will be about $65 plus accessories, tax, title, and license.

@RightAboutRichTV 5 месяцев назад

I think Toyota knows that their legacy brands (4Runner/Land Cruiser/GX/Prado) hold more value in a cultural image sense today, rather than in a practical sense that fit people’s needs in the past. So having these vehicles be similar might not necessarily be a problem. I think the true fans of these vehicles (before it was ‘cool’) are just becoming the rare. Toyota is catering to the masses with these legacy vehicles now.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Could not agree more!

@rperrin 5 месяцев назад

Land Cruiser First Edition Base MSRP: $74,950 vs. Lexus GX 550 Overtrail Base MSRP: $69,250. Not sure why you would want the Land Cruiser over the Lexus. Unless it's all about the name, not performance.

@davidhouston7812 5 месяцев назад

LC first edition 5000 limited edition. Once they are gone they are gone. GX 550 OT isn't limited and is missing some key items the GX premium have. All the information is out there.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

@davidhouston Personally, I’d rather have a better to drive car that isn’t limited edition versus one that is worse to drive and limited. I would love the First Edition more if it didn’t cost almost as much as a GX Luxury.

@davidhouston7812 5 месяцев назад

@@joshjamescars worse to drive? What exactly do you mean by that statement. You have a good point with the prices. Would I rather have the GX luxury than a LC first edition? Absolutely! Did I get the LC first edition instead? Sure did. Why? Only 5,000 made. I could keep it awhile and sell it for not so much of a loss. The GX will be around for many years to come.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

@davidhouston7812 I personally don’t care for the way the four cylinder iForce Max hybrid powertrain drives. Because you have three distinct power sources (turbo, electric motor, and gas engine), you get some strange power surges and the 8-speed auto will hang on to top gear as long as possible which results in transmission lag. And I think that’s part of why the Land Cruiser is slow (reported 0-60 times of 7.8 seconds) despite the fact that it has a huge torque number. The GX’s turbo V6 and 10-speed auto has much better power and feels much less fussy. That engine is also shared with the full-size trucks in Toyota’s lineup like the Tundra, Land Cruiser 300/LX600, Sequoia, plus the Lexus LS500. It’s basically the same as how the GX460 always felt much better to drive with its V8 than the 4Runner with the V6.

@davidhouston7812 5 месяцев назад

@@joshjamescars you have driven the iForce Max hybrid set up and the new TTV6 in the 550 ?? 🤔🧐

@rostamr4096 5 месяцев назад

I have had 3 4runners in the last 15 years and all have been limited. Where I live( PNW) with all the rain we get on a daily basis, a full-time 4-wheel drive is a must. So, I will trade in my 5th gen for 6th gen limited...

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

I would definitely get the Limited or Platinum as well!

@normanli5270 5 месяцев назад

Hey Josh. The 4runner has the 14 inch screen, no the 12.3 inch. That is the LC 250 that has it. Also, I thought that the venza was a slightly larger midsize 2 row crossover.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Yes! You’re right I mixed that line up on the chart, LOL! And nope, the Venza was basically the NX with a Toyota badge. As you may know, it’s the US-market Harrier which also used to be the basis for the RX, but the RX grew way bigger and the Harrier stayed the same size which is now considered a compact here.

@micah6811 5 месяцев назад

I love the Land Cruiser base model with the cloth seats! Leatherette and leather are so overrated!!! The 1st gen Venza (2014-2016) was the best!

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

You’ll definitely be able to get that in lower trim 4Runners as well. :)

@Vox-Populi 5 месяцев назад

I like the GX. I'll love it from afar though, as I'll be rocking my 2024 4Runner Limited AWD 7 passenger for many years to come.😊

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

That’s me and my 2023 GX460 too! And I think ours are much better just for the engine alone.

@Jojo-ni2cg 5 месяцев назад

Good video thanks

@rostamr4096 5 месяцев назад

Good review, Josh

@davidlindburg1921 5 месяцев назад

Agree with others Josh, your analysis and reporting is a great job!

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@steveh545 5 месяцев назад

I totally get your points, and agree 95%. I think I’m the “fragile masculinity” group because I’ve always said I’d buy a GX if it had Toyota badging, and I would/might buy the new LC. I like a bit of space and visibility. The forerunners I’ve driven had poor visibility (to me). I’m driving an 04 LC now, and like the view I have. So, I’m more in the LV vs GX crowd than the FR vs LC crowd. I prefer the esthetics of the LC inside and out over the GX, but prefer the 3 row option of the GX. I still think there will be a $10K spread from an LC specked out to what I’d want vs a GX. I 💯 agree Toyota should offer real variants of the LC, and I’m sure they will, but why not do that from the get go??

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

LOL! I definitely was not thinking about you when I wrote that into the script. I think the sad part is, and the reason I would not buy the new LC is the engine. As you say, there may be a $5-10K difference between the LC and GX but the upgrade to the V6 plus Lexus interior and Lexus dealer and service experience would actually be worth that to me, so long as one can afford it. Also, I’m not sure if it makes sense for them to add more variants and thereby cost to manufacture the LC when someone who wants something more specialized can just buy the 4Runner variant that meets their needs.

@steveh545 5 месяцев назад

@@joshjamescars I hear you. I don’t particularly care (gasp) about the engine. I’d take a 3 row euro LC with the diesel. Might not need 3rd row as much but like having the option. Really depends on pricing once things calm down.

@Mr_Kirk_ 5 месяцев назад

LC is for people who want THAT NAME. That is proven by the fact that if you REALLY care about using one of these vehicles for its capabilities or personalizing it any any way from the dealer you get pushed up or down market. If you want the LC name over all else, you’re a happy camper. (But probably not actually camping 😂) On the engines, I think time will prove the V8 fans wrong.

@markc7274 5 месяцев назад

Love your videos….best on RU-vid.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Thank you so much!

@osmarorozco963 5 месяцев назад

💯 % spot on Josh! Thanks for video. I’ve been thinking the same thing. Current owner of a 21’ trail special edition. Absolutely love the thing however the smiles per gallon are few and far between with the ongoing surges in oil prices.. 🙄 Nonetheless i can’t see a reason why the LC will carry on for too long given the introduction of the 2025 4runner especially with similarity in vehicles & available 9 trims😲 Sad to see Venza go away again.. Look forward to real world future comparisons!

@davidhouston7812 5 месяцев назад

When the LC went away in 2021 everyone threw a fit. They brought it back. If it sells well it will continue to be in the line up. 4 runners will be around. Basically....... Do you want a Taco interior Or Do you want a GX ( like ) interior 🤷🏿‍♂️

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

@osmarorozco963 Yes same here at everything you mentioned! I am definitely interested to getting behind the wheel of some of these as they become available!

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

@davidhouston They brought back a different Land Cruiser. This is the light-duty 250 Prado series. What people wanted was the heavy-duty 300 flagship series. However, I agree that the interior is better but I suppose if you’re paying GX money, why settle for GX-like when you could get an actual GX interior?

@davidhouston7812 5 месяцев назад

@@joshjamescars no one touched the 200 series. Why would they bring the 300 series to the USA to fail? Doesn't make business sense. You want a 300 series. Buy the base model LX500 250 was a smart move with a lower starting price. Boils down to if you want a LC or you don't. Toyota will not be losing any sleep or money for any decisions people makes. If I love the LC I will keep it. Or I can get the GX version of it. I'm trying to stay clear from Lexus so I won't be spoiled and ruined 😂 🤦🏿‍♂️🤣

@tomkillsall 5 месяцев назад

Great video! Very interesting point

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

Thank you as always!

@donaltemus3565 5 месяцев назад

Personally I wouldn’t buy either vehicle. The previous gens were tanks. These things are an abomination to the Toyota name.

@joshjamescars 5 месяцев назад

I won’t be buying one either, but I think they’re a product of our times. We aren’t ever going to go back to the tank like era, and that’s just a fact of life.