7 Fates Worse Than Death You Gave Your Unlucky Enemies 

It doesn't sound as threatening.

It's truly terrible. It would be one of those lines that if you said that irl you'd spend the next five years like "why did I say that"

@@EverTheFractal you're pretty much obligated to win the fight at that point because the other guy would be laughing at that for the rest of their life if they won.

@@einar_476 Given that it's Mortal Kombat, they'll be laughing the rest of their lives either way. Edit: really bad typo.

@@bug5654 for a game all about fatalities it sure is hard to permenantly kill someone.

It's actually worse than that as kerby's stomach is a dimensional void where they still live until they likely die days later

@@ryan1000011 It's Kirby. He's probably eaten a whole ass planet in his endless, all-consuming hunger where everyone he eats can just. Continue living, though maybe not with all of their friends. Unfortunately, iirc that would mean Sectonia's there, so it's still not great.

Also the fate of everyone who happens to be standing between Kirby and a giant bird that's stealing food. You basically don't want to be anywhere near Kirby while he's awake.

actually getting eaten might be one of the only good ways kirby can kill you. cause supposedly enemies he's sucked in and eaten reappear somewhere else some time later, hence the whole dream part of dreamland. not sure where I heard this so take it with a grain of salt

Spoilers... Laughs in Haltmann's deleted soul.

Tell me, was Nazeem among your collection

He was a member of my collection! my vaparic kajiit did not like him at all!! to be honest he was the first on ko'duls hit list

@@Exoduss-11105 excellent.

Imagine trying to mug a dude and he utters to himself "you are totally going in the common rock"

yeah, like my Ancano underwear. Everytime I kill him, i reload the quicksave if I don't get a decapitation (I know you all read "decapitation" in Jack Black screaming voice)

you can turn off the electric and still progress

@@neidhartmuller8804 man, I bet he's gonna be real upset when he realizes he just left the guy to eternal torment instead of going back to free him

Or hell even the conclusion where the main character get stuck at the bottom of the ocean as a robot alone while youre copy gets to enjoy himself

@@RedsHitpostMedia what game is this?

@@eldritchcupcakes3195 soma

Also, if this is the same guy from RoboCop 2... he knows a few things about over-riding programming.

For someone who was made in Detroit being converted into a foreign model may still be a fate worse than death

Slightly off-topic, but as someone who hasn't played the MK games, I have to ask : what is the point of putting people's brains in a cyborg, if you're going to remove their free will ? Why not just build a robot ? I guess this is the kind of game where you shouldn't really think about the plot logic, but still.

@@Darkprosper With how advanced the neural network is, maybe that's the only way to have it move correctly? Dunno, not an MK expert either.

@@Darkprosper too late! you already thought about it! Honestly? It's never fully explained. Maybe the people who made the cyber ninjas just never figured out how to make proper AIs? Maybe it needs a soul as part of the machine some how? Also in some cases,, such as Frost, cyberization is voluntary. Yeah, dunno.

Oof, the Captain Keyes POV cutscene in MCC. Never forget.

@@akilumanga If you read the books, Jenkins (the marine who's helmet Chief finds in Halo CE) was also just as bad (if not worse) than Keys' fate.

It's always been a pet theory of mine that the precursors killed themselves upon finding out about the Flood secret because that secret is that the Flood origin works like a literal hell, absorbing the souls of people if they get their hands on them, for all eternity. So, better to be dead than risk getting caught by those things.

@@nulllex0099 But didn't the precursors ARE the flood?

@@IkeFanBoy64 yeah the flood is the corrupted dust of the precursors that survived the forerunner rebellion

Oh that’s cool.

Okay most of the time, yes. But Lady Boyle's wasn't poetic justice. In a revolution at most she deserves to die and that's it, she's done nothing to deserve that level of horror.

Lady Boyle non lethal method is actually quite favourable for her. Since Lord Brisby, actually goes missing at sea most likely due to her, and she inherits his wealth

@@arandomperson5434 Yeah but they only did that because of how disturbing it was in the first place. When you choose to do it, you don't have the benefit of hindsight.

More or less how the book ends. Absolutely terrifying.

And even in the good end, all of the humans di- e except one of them, and that last survivor's mind takes over AM's "body" and they become the new AM... Forced to wait years, maybe even centuries, all alone, till the escape pods full of sleeping humans fall back to earth. Insanity guaranteed, especially if the survivor is Gorrister.

Yes indeed! also, feels like that enemy was more smooshed to horrible grousome death than given a fate worse than eath lol. but stil lterrible Unless they mean 'the huddle' itseld (never knew it was called that) in which isn't really an enemy? lol

And I'll never get that appetite back again.

Gruesome and poetic? 100% Andy wrote it.

Right??? I love it hehe

@@fluffyxai5065 I don't think there IS a good side in Inside. While we don't know the Huddles motives it clearly has no regrets murdering people (then again it was kept as a test subject *shrugs*) or you've got the people in the upper city...who do terrible things to anybody who isn't in the upper city. Only way out that doesn't involve someone being horrible to someone else is the secret ending and even that's freaking vague.

Gonna wish he was a murderer before he's done with you.

@@Torvaun Ya gonna wish ya were right.

The thing is what u do to them is equal what they did to other people, except the chick that you give to her creepy stalker. My favorite is the heretic brand. The dude actually deserved it and his outcome is 100% his fault. He treat his people like shit and they returned the favor.

I love the poetic juctice/irony of the non-leathal options in the first Dishonored game. Each of them got what they had coming to them, maybe except Lady Boyle. Mostly because all she was, was the Lord Regient's output and his piggy bank, heck she even admits that she hates him and is only funding him for the welfare of her family. IIRC that is, it's been a while since I've played Dishonored.

Also important that the game has a chaos system instead of a moral system. Just because an option causes less chaos doesn't necessarily make it moral

Source? I'm not doubting, just wanna see the story for myself

@@thecasul1524 I wish I knew. I know it’s out there, but I forgot what video it was (don’t try searching it, you won’t get the result. Also keep in mind this was a year ago, so don’t be surprised that I don’t remember it.)

@@ShockInazuma Oh, yeah this comment is old, didn't realize. Well it makes sense that you don't remember

@@thecasul1524 I actually was able to find it (don’t know why it didn’t send), but it was from an OddHeader video. I think it was 8 Creepiest Video Game Discoveries and Mysteries.

The word combination that both would never have occurred to me in a million years and yet is 100% perfection in its descriptiveness.

@@patrickmccurry1563 exactly!

I prefer "gross sentient fleshy balls"

I recall an article or essay about the fate of Corvo's targets when taking the nonlethal route, and it put forth the idea that Corvo didn't just want these people dead, they had to suffer for it.

@@marcobering3945 they had the person he loved assassinated, kidnapped his daughter and framed him for both. Honestly we should all be grateful the low chaos run is an option.

I chose all the non lethal options and still got the bad ending

@@ericboos4521 Stabbing the guards in the face doesn't count as non-lethal.

@@Allstar-yl1ek God non lethal takedowns are so boring though, I dont feel like buying and making the stupid sleep darts, and sneaking past everyone is so lame. Combat is one of the best parts of the game and I am to be punished for engaging in it?

I coulda sworn that was MK10, and I've beaten MK10

He said it in both

Really, it's in the job description, isn't it? Or at least a requirement in the hiring listing, right?

Tautology huh? Thanks for the word... I'll take it :)

@@Belforhir Equally so, lol.

Not at all. It's a pleonasm.

@@FlushGorgon Apparently you are quite correct. And I learnt a new word! Always fun.

oh no, he has to punch kkk, shoot nazis, and blow up dictatorships. what a horrid life. -_-

@@whitetailprince i’d say being stuck in a never ending war is a fucking nightmare, and that man can’t even escape it by literally dying lmao

reminds me of a character in several books named Buckley who keeps suffering terrible fates. like being turned into an AI in a HAND-HELD computer.

@@whitetailprince lmao liblarp harder

@@whitetailprince that is an incredibly narrow minded view lol.

😰

Same as the fungus from the last of us

In the Halo book that runs parallel to the first game (can't remember the name of the book, if it even has any), there's a side character, a Marine, who gets turned into a human-combat form, but retains his consciousness (and some control) all the way until he's captured and chained by fellow Marines in the Truth and Reconciliation, as the other human survivors are highjacking it to try and return to Earth, led by a borderline-psychotic ODST officer. Canonically, this happens in the same time as Master Chief is also in the ship trying to get to Cpt. Keyes, but both him and Cortana are unaware of this plot. Long story short, poor guy can't control his body, only his facial expressions (somehow, his head and face remained mostly intact, recognizable), and a former friend of his helps him blow up the whole ship with everyone in it before take-off, after both realize the mad officer would be literally taking quite a number of Flood combat, carrier and infection forms, plus any number of spores, directly back to human-held territory, if not Earth itself. And all that without being able to utter a word, since his traquea and most of his respiratory system were at that point part of one of his whip-like appendages, most likely... As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure it was Pvt. Jenkins, the same one that was with Cpt. Keyes when they first found the Flood.

Dont know why you wouldnt after everything he put that kid through lol

Eat The Rich.

​@@glasscardproductions4736 they don't taste good, they're solid nickel from all that money

@@hilariousskullnamedcatzo647 Ah, right. Well, maybe defenestration was the right idea.

booo! booo111... boo! :p

what a waste

Epic Jax Guy

Smooth Jax.

Ya but didn't Sub Zero kill Skorpion's family? Lin Kuei are just cold.

@@user-xz9fw6lk3p Still more honorable than Frost! XD

@The Spell Alchemist oh, knew I shouldn't have skipped MK history klass >~>

Frost becomes the grandmaster and what she says goes.

@The Spell Alchemist got the best non-traditional MK game out of that story, as well

Isn't that a fate exactly the same as death?

@@totalvoid6234 maybe they are conscious sweetrolls.

@@andycruzatx3387 Definitely wouldn't put it past Sheogorath (Or really any daedric prince for that matter)

that entirely depends on if they are still concious or not. if its just an instant you don't exist scenario, it is arguably better than death, which could be incredibly painful. if it leaves the victim concious... well yea it would be awful.

If you brand Campbell, you find him later as a plague weeper at the bottom of the oil refinery where your weapons are located. Very poetic.

Really need to finish Inside at some point xD

To be honest, the whole "Inside" was one of the weirdest (western) games I ever played. I barely made it through just how much gore there was...

And tragically pointless, if you think about it much.

Reminds me of the manga "I am a Hero". It had an excellent concept. However, like "Lost" TV series, it was just good at first, then it will shit in your mouth, and you will shit that shit, and make you eat your shit over and over again

It got its freedom, but died right after acheiving it. There's a theory that the boy was being CONTROLLED by the body mass the entire time, just for the sake of freeing the blob.

In fairness, I think the key for these is mostly two pieces: one, all but the last is optional (technically the first one is also inaccurate, most soulgems use animals/monsters, and only the black can use humanoid/sapient creature souls, iirc). Two, they're all immediate/and you know it's going to happen (again, possibly besides the last)

@@stevenn1940 The last one wasn't so bad as the CEO did die and he died quickly. Not as much suffering as the other deaths or purgatories on this list.

I mean, tbh, she's just a robot. Plus she deserves it anyway

GLaDOS is known for being a liar when she's plugged into the mainframe, so that could have been one of her many demotivating lies said to Chell, we can't know for sure

@@NerdyCatCoffeeee It's revealed throughout the game that GLaDOS is actually Caroline, Cave Johnson's secretary, who was forced to become GLaDOS since that was Cave's dying wish if they couldn't save him.

I saw a video about that. When he is asked that question, it might just imply that Link did not survive the fall, and he's going through the stages of grief. Glad to see that someone else noticed that.

if it makes anyone feel better: at the end of the game the happy mask salesman (not a bad guy in the game, that's entirely an invention of creepypasta!) basically tells you that the masks are happy & the souls inside them are at rest because you finished their earthly business

the masks are not the spirits, but their pain. the song of healing soothes their anguish and grants them closure, allowing those spirits to move on. so the pain is "extracted" and forms into a mask. thats why i think the transformations look painful and the elegy statues look scary, because both are based on those embodiments of suffering. plus, link fulfills their dying wishes for them, so alls well :)

@@gwennorthcutt421 Oh that actually makes a lot of sense. Plus a really nice thought!

I thought the song put their actual souls at rest, while the mask is just the stuff they left behind They aren’t the mask themselves

I'm disturbed just from watching it in this video. Wtf.

Dishonered is such a good series for blurring morals.

The Lady Boyle option actually turns out to be a somewhat good ending, surprisingly. This was revealed in one of the books “Dishonored: The corroded Man” “Now a matter of public record, Lady Waverly Boyle was kidnapped by the obsessive Lord Brisby at the annual Boyle Masquerade of 1837. From there she was taken to Brisby's old family estate on a recluse island, unable to return to Dunwall due to being marked as a criminal. Brisby disappeared a few years later, a rumor speculating Waverly had arranged for his disappearance, though no one could find any evidence. She is still alive by 1851, supposedly doing quite well for herself with Brisby's family fortune.”

@@CaptainDecimus Well that sucks. The whole point of these alternate methods was so they'd suffer, proportionally or not, for what they've done. How is she suffering if she ends up "winning"?

@@dave_the_slick8584 Trauma? "Win" or not that sounds like the sort of thing that would give her mental problems years down the line.

In my defense, Cyrax was having a mental breakdown and wanted to die when he realized he was a robot.

Spoilers They also turn out to be parasites who want to be eaten. Eat enough during the ending and you fall apart into more snacks. All the while being coaxed by them to join

Game?

@@agent-xqj3733 bugsnax

bUnGer?

What?? I thought bugsnax was a kids game. That's kind of awesome, in a The Thing sort of way

All of those options are bad. But, the one with lady Boyle... I do consider that horrific on a different level. And, she didn't really have to do with the kidnapping of the Empress did she? She was just too close to someone who dod

@@LadyGameshine She lent her political influence and financial aid

Not only did they do that (and admit to having made a mistake in including it) but it was also made canon by the first Dishonored book. If memory serves, she basically made off with all his wealth and is living the good life in parts unknown, only unable to return to Dunwall because of being a wanted criminal due to her involvement with the Lord Regent.

@@LadyGameshine It's *even worse* if, like as happened to me, the game randomly picks Esma Boyle as your target. Using the Heart on the other two Boyle sisters shows them to be awful people, with one of them essentially being a covert serial killer, and the ruining people's livelihoods for giggles, and also little a murder as a treat. Esma Boyle, by contrast, shows no evidence of having done much of anything wrong. Naturally you can't be a moral person and have that much money, but nothing that sets her apart from any other party guest, save for funding the Lord Regent, an act she likely had little agency in given both the sexism in Dunwall, and power differential.

@@Mankoi1701 sooo giving custody of a manipulative shrew to a guy who wants to be appreciated? I foresee no problems with this decision. :p

None of them are directly inflicted by you, though.

@@SentiNel090 oh right, the whole time I didn't realize it was "You Gave Your Unlucky Enemies" -.-

The second one is accurate to what happens when you play dark souls.

If you set set a zombie on fire in half life 2, it starts screaming. That's creepy in and of itself, but if you reverse the audio, it's actually screaming for help. So technically you're "saving" them.

@@ireneparkin3360 but they are still conscious the whole time, and being burned is extremely painful

Yeahhh swtor was....odd with what they considered light/dark choices

In the book "the pact of bakura" , they described how the empire experimented with mines dropped from hyperspace, but they never reappeared in normal space. At the end they catched the bad guy and send him off into hyperspace with damaged controls to become insane.

I prefer their fates than death for those in Dishonored, almost all of them are 100% karmic justice. An corrupt inquisitor who wishes to brand anyone that will be a fate worse than death, gets branded himself. A slaving pair of twins become slaves themselves in their own mine. A noblewoman indulging in debauchery while every commoner suffers becomes the recieving end of someone else's And a corrupt politician who got you arrested in the first place for false accusations, gets the truth broadcasted in the entire country for them to hear and bring justice in their hands rather than yours.

@@Quadrolithium Don't forget, the inquisitor also got turned into one of those zombies

Except that one target in the time rift manor in Dishonored 2. You can make his life better.

@@vegas3352 same thing with the alchemist in that game

and everything i did in deathloop. wait no they just loop tomorrow.

Yeah

Yes, he was in the chess club.

@@GinkgoPete Who's laughing now ?

Sounds a lot like Dio Brando

Non-lethal is a loose term in that game. Remember the very first non-lethal you do? Where you brand him as a heretic? Well, you can find him later in the game turned into one of those zombies

Iirc he funds most of the henchmens medical bills and gives them jobs.

@@iksskan9147 In some storylines, and Akrham Origins, Batman (As Bruce Wayne messanger) does offer the henchmens jobs to keep them out of the crime life.

Batman: (breaks every bone in a guy's body then leaves him knocked out and face down in a puddle) I don't kill. it's like, my one rule

To give him a little credit, it wouldn't matter, because the city is literally cursed to shit either way in the general canon. If he killed them, it would just open the doors for something potentially even worse to take their places.

@@chrizmerk756 tbh he should kill multiple people. If you leave gy hanging upside down for few hours he'll die. If you cut him off just letting him fall from few metres he'll probably die

SCP 001 when day breaks

New Arrivals Intensive Care Course Correction Obliteration Imminent Lethal Devotion Environmental Hazard Into the Void Search and Rescue Dead on Arrival End of Days Alternate Solutions Dead Space

@@RoninXDarknight damn right

Chloe from life is strange

The parent/child relationship in fallout 4. Screw Shaun, another settlement needs my help

mia from resident evil 7. at some point you gotta put your own life above the girl who CUT OFF YOUR HAND and tried to murder you.

I really enjoyed all the "mercy" options for those awful traitors, many times I thought a bullet or my blade In their gut was better, but I wanted the intuitive good ending of not being a murder hobo my first playthrough XD

@@blindedjourneyman Some of them feel very much deserved, especially when you look at the person in question. There are certainly standouts that the retribution is harsher than they deserve. Lady Boyle, the inventor guy... Well, those are the only ones I remember going across that line. Being forced to work as slaves in your own slave mines, in the conditions you set for them? Brutal, but just deserts. The leader of a brutal and cruel religious organization (iirc, correct me if I'm wrong) being marked as a heretic of said organization and treated as those he was forced to be treated as such? Again, brutal, but just. Most I remember follow that thread of brutal but just.

If only modern punishments are like this.

@@stevenn1940 I agree. Karmic in fact.

It’s called “dishonored” for a reason

8 months late but its not screaming everytime you do a fatality that aaaaaaaa sound starts in the end

@@player70477 Awh, that made it a whole lot less awesome :(

Seriously? It'

@@hell3quin864 You kinda did take that comment too seriously. Think of however millions of soul gems have been spawned in everyone's Skyrim games from November 11th, 2011 up to this very day, and the various random souls people have filled them with and popped into various enchantments. In the grand scheme of things, _you really need to drink some water._

@@hell3quin864 One of us is definitely having a stroke

Lore wise I’m certain that it’s incredibly dangerous to use a non grand or non sentient mortal soul with a black soul gem. It will actually try to start devouring yours. Black soul gems are not supposed to be good things lol.

@@briarrosegael2015 how do u find this lore? ...if you consider someone might be lost in the mists of sovengard just as long as stranded in the soul cairn, it doesnt sound so bad. also, the "fate worse than death" would depend on if "The Ideal Masters" are nice or not. any idea who they are? ...if i had to guess, something affiliated with Padomay, meaning the Psijic Order might know

And then, through your efforts, she gets transplanted into a potato.

That would count as a sewer-level cos of all the urine you'd experience

The whole point of the SOMA capsule was that it was a simulation, like tranquility lane. The plan was for them to wander the cosmos as kind of an eternal space cruise ship, running off solar power and playing in the simulation between finding weird space things to look at.

@@shotgunshells2 That's kinda my point. They're in a simulation. They know they're in a simulation. They can't affect the real world at all. They literally have the option to die if the simulation becomes too much for them, and it's not hard to imagine most people taking that option...

And on the other end- the identity that isnt copied and pasted into the simulation. All they can do is hope that their duplicate made it in, and now they are trapped in the real world, doomed to live until their brains can no longer function, unable to leave. Neither side has freedom.

@@H0lyMoley SOMA had the idea that they were hoping to find another world to live in.... but I don't think they actually had any way to make cloned people in the escape pod thingy. At best they could manufacture robot bodies like the ones you puppet control during the game.

SOMA overall felt dark, even in the good ending. It never felt like you did the right thing.

I don’t know how he didn’t mention having the triplet guys tongues cut out and forcing them to work in a mine for the rest of their lives

I'm sure most of us did. I'm just glad I didn't wake my sleeping GF with the sudden laugh. lol quite literally.

And now I want a game based entirely on this premise.

If I remember right, Tim Schafer in the remastered version has revealed that those who had been sprouted reincarnate in the living world.

​@@swinelias huh. i never played the remastered version so i missed that little tidbit. i'll put it in my mental filing cabinet under "Creators retroactive headcanon due to realizing how awful the implications of the original actually was"

@@i0ushephf And _I'm_ going to assume they reincarnate without their memories, however much difference that makes.

@@i0ushephf That retcon idea is actually a pretty good concept for a video... Although Grim Fandango's "sprouting = reincarnation" makes sense when you think about it being about the journey to your eternal reward. Being reborn and having to travel it again when you die next is more in line with the lore and concept of final rest than a straight existence wipe because some prick shot you.

I never thought throwing a highly explosive battery at someone would be considered a mercy, but here we are

andy is evil unlike mike our hero.

@@ddjsoyenby All hail the merciful Mike.

The only non-lethal kill i made was the branding mark. I figured in his case he deserved worse than sudden death.

I don't know what the 2nd part entails, but the first part of that makes a lot of sense. I always did kind of wonder HOW he was going to keep her locked away for decades. Then I stop wondering, because thinking about that too hard is quite discomforting. So... thanks?

@@alexandersmit4256 Yer Velcome. My advice, don't try to make sense of something in a work of fantasy or science fiction, you'll start questioning everything else in the story and wind up with a headache. Gary Larson went through that himself with some of his own works.

@@briancorvello3620 Eh, I don't really agree. It's half the fun of media. Sometimes a creator is subtle, and the mental legwork can be quite rewarding. One can certainly go too far, though. For example, I've read some WILD and impressively sparsely supported Dark Souls theories. But also some really well thought-out ones. Edit: On the other hand, I read up on the Skaven(rat men) of Warhammer Fantasy, and that comment section had a whole discussion on the details of slavery and hypothetical breeding "programs"... So there's 'too far', and then there's 'oh god, why? Why even?'.

@@briancorvello3620 Can't be any more of a headache than trying to make sense of reality gives me. Hell, most of the time it hurts _Less._

@@alexandersmit4256 There aren't any good guys in Warhammer, just different degrees of bad guys.

Mutated Alexander is not mindless. Insane? Yeah but stable enough to not want to die and to beg for mercy. Ge also promised to never hurt anyone again if he is spared So killing him after that does kinda make you a bad person. Sure his past humane self prefers to die than to be such a mutant but he is now gone.

that was actually a bug, putting gil out of his misery was supposed to be the good action

@@miss_baphomet where did you get that info?

I'd say it's dependent on what all you do in game. I killed both Gil and Stanley, spared Grace and got a neutral/good ending. I think it's bases on what you do with the little sisters.

Though I do gotta admit, killing Gil Alexander does seem far better than leaving him as whatever he became.

Yeah, you're bound to be robbed from or stepped on by some protagonist.

I turned Nazeem into a sweet roll and fed him to my daughter once...

@@shadowfirethesarcastic9517 Nice! I've always been a fan of making his murder my one free crime. "Oh, you think you're important? I just slaughtered you in the middle of the market in broad daylight and told the guards it's fine. Turns out you weren't so important after all."

That would be a little horrifying if they still have memories of being adult, contrasted with being stuck as a limp, useless baby for awhile but otherwise you just *extended* their life basically lol. If it's a being with a slow growing 5,000 year life cycle then it's pretty cruel maybe

They only remain conscious if it's a black soul gem. There's also the little detail that if a black soul gem is used in the enchantment of a weapon, their consciousness is imbued into the weapon as well, which might be an even worse fate than the soul cairn

but in Skyrim... you are the ultimate soul gem for every dragon you slay, and they are sentient, so....

Only "black" souls go to the soul cairn. Black souls are the souls of pretty much any sapient creature. non-black souls I believe are converted directly into the energy required for the enchantment and it's an overall painless process. However, black souls can't be used in enchanting under normal conditions. By using a Black soul gem, the enchanting process essentially becomes a transaction with a group of evil pseudo-gods called the Ideal Masters. They get the soul, and in return, you get magical energy to create or charge your enchantment. The Soul Cairn is their realm, that's why black souls that are used in enchanting go there.

@@screamingcactus1753 and we all know the Soul Cairn is utterly horrible.

@@driftingdruid to be fair most dragons other than paarthurnax are jerks

"Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I've begun to live."

Lumps

It's even worse in Elder Scrolls Online, as using the Blade of Woe on a contracted target actually completely disintegrates the target, leaving an echo of their soul back at the sanctuary.

Yeah but you do have to wonder what messed up thing a person does to get a contract from the Dark Brotherhood on them. They're religious zealots after all . It's not about the money or some creed with them. Unlike the posers in the Morang Tong who are just the Tribune's whores.

@@clothar23 what you did doesn't matter to them, if someone performs the black sacrament the dark brotherhood will kill whoever they want, no question asked.

@@miss_baphomet You clearly never have has anything to do with the Elder Scrolls. The Black Sacrament is a ritual designed to get both Sithis and the Night Mother's attention. And has nothing to do with the Dark Brotherhood's actions at large . And furthermore the Black Sacrament is no guarantee of action. If Sithis thinks you're not worthy than no assassin is going to be accepting your contract. The Listener after all isn't running the Dark Brotherhood . They're just the mouthpiece of the Night Mother's will. I havd no clue where you're getting the notion the Dark Brotherhood are merely a band of hired killers. Murder is a form of worship for them. Their duty and their passion to their Chosen God require it.

@@clothar23 you're wrong on many fronts. yes, they are religious fanatics. and they see responding to the sacrament as a religious duty. the black sacrament does guarantee a response as long as there is a listener for the night mother to speak to. I literally never implied that they were just hired killers.

the tranquil do not hate what they become though. Some even prefer it.

@@muzzers2776 Some - but both tranquil we've seen regain their minds would rather die than be made tranquil again.

@@muzzers2776 I think effectively stripping a being of its sentience is pretty evil

@@mullerpotgieter it definitely is evil. All I am saying is that the victims do not perceive it as a horrible fate. If I remember correctly, in origins one of the tranquils even says he would 'prefer to be alive'. So its not necessarily a fate worse than death, for the victim.

Yeah, this definitely would be my pick too. You're basically literally preventing a person from living any kind of meaningful life. and Re: the idea that some of them say they prefer it - they literally can't be trusted. Magister Alexius makes it pretty clear on his way out he'd prefer literally any other option, even if we assume after the fact he claims he'd prefer it - what you're talking to after that point it NOT the same Magister Alexius. Removing all emotions from a person categorically makes them not the same person anymore. It might be reductive to say this but a person's personality is almost entirely determined by how much weight they put upon the various emotions they and others experience, without that you'd unequivocally not be the same person.

And don't get me started about if you break Baz and Gaz. Can't say anything of Daz, because he's unbreakable

I mean, he’s already dead, so...

And yet, that's still not quite the fate he _deserves._

It's his choice though. He could step aside any time he wanted. Besides, in my playthroughs, Thesus gives as good as he gets.

@@shotgunshells2 idk I definitely feel some “this guy isn’t all there anymore” vibes from him, and the only time he’s truly challenging after about half of your Darkness Mirror is filled is if you’re actively handicapping yourself with the Pact of Punishment

Sounds like a Greek/Roman hero