Funny you said that about JB Pour Homme. I sampled Creed Carmina, and bro its seductive! Its a feminine leaning spray but with musky notes. But the black cherry is so potent and weirdly captivating that it almost made me drop the 450 on it 😅. But, like JB Pour Homme, it would have to be layered with something more masculine to bring out those pepper/wood/frankincense musks.