7 LIES Motorcyclists Need To Stop Saying 

I overtook my workmate on our way to work and he said he could hear me coming up behind him. Thats good enough for me.

A friend of mine told me that he doesn't wear a helmet because he can't hear what is going on around him. I started riding a few years later. The first time I tried riding WITHOUT a helmet, I couldn't hear a damned thing except the wind!

Got caught on an interstate in a hail storm. Luckily, I had my full-faced helmet on at least. Just had riding jacket, gloves and jeans. Bruises all over my arms and back. Man, that sucked, but I never made the mistake of not having proper gear since then.

If loud pipes save lives, imagine what good skills and judgemebt can achieve!

Got my licence 30 years ago and situational awareness is everything in my humble opinion. Not loud pipes, no helmet etc. Always ride to the road conditions, traffic, how tired you are, gear you’re wearing, time of day.

I used saving money as an excuse to get one of my friends to buy a bike. It worked , no money was saved, good times are had.

I have you know that the loud pipes on my brothers bike did IN FACT save him from getting hit on more than one occasion. Most recent,a car was changing lanes,almost hitting him and he revved his motor and the car swerved back into their lane. I've been in situations where the loud pipes on mine has alerted numb brain drivers.

RE: Loud Pipes Saves Lives. I have pretty loud pipes on my two Harleys. I like the sound and the rumble. However, I have never been under the false illusion that the decibels of my pipes will make me more noticeable by cage motorists, when it matters to be noticed. As a past Safety Officer of my HOG Chapter, I repeatedly preached that lights are MUCH more important than loud pipes. Even more important than pipes or lights is being constantly aware of EVERYTHING going on around you. And to NEVER stay in someone's blind spot for more than a few seconds. In someone's blind spot, neither lights nor pipes will really matter. And I agree wholeheartedly about practicing low-speed skills. At least once a month, when I go to my local dealership, I'll go out back to the riding course parking lot and spend an hour or so, just running the skills exercises, especially the figure-8 inside the box and u-turns from a stop. Anybody can ride fast (due to the gyroscopic effect and momentum of the bike at speed). Slow-speed maneuvering is where the skill is at and is probably the biggest factor in keeping you from dropping the bike (especially big, heavy touring bikes). Good episode!!!

Defiantly agree with just about all of these. The loud pipes one get a lot of argument. There could for sure be instances where loud pipes have saved lives. I think the point is pipe volume is low on the list of things that’s going to save you. If you’re relying on that as opposed to training and staying out of blind spots and general common sense, that’s where the big lie comes in.

In 20 years of driving an 18-wheeler, there have been three times in almost as many million miles that a motorcle's pipes made me aware of it before I saw it. Two of those times, the bike passed me on the right on the emergency shoulder.

I have MANY more “close calls “ from unaware drivers on my BMW than I do on my loud Harley. Just a fact I’ve noticed since I started riding a quiet bike.

If you hear the exhaust, as a cyclist, pedestrian or motorist... I actually think it can be helpful avoiding certain dangerous situations.

Loud pipes cost a lot of money!? Pulling the baffle is absolutely free!

My pipes have saved me a few times just like my air horn. I've had people notice me in their blind spot only because they heard me and deer going to work I just rev it and they go the other way..

Yeah... The loud pipes save lives. I drive a large red fire engine with red flashing lights everywhere, 2 140 what sirens, and an air horn. People in their cars that are paying attention to everything except driving don't hear me blaring right behind them at city speeds. But they hear your pipes.

Loud pipes inly annoy other motorists and inspire them to pass laws that restrict riders.

"I had to lay it down!" I hate that one. Just a Segway out of admitting someone locked up the front brake in a panic and ate 💩

On my accident, I will not say I layered down I say I bailed. because I didn’t want to be splattered on the side of the suburban that pulled out in front of me.

Here in northern Michigan, deer are the number 1 obstacle to avoid!

As a car driver who has yet to ride a motorcycle, I appreciate loud bikes. Here in DC there have been a couple of times when I had no idea a bike was beside me until I heard it. There might not be statistically significant evidence but my personal experience…. I appreciate hearing motorcycles.

Motorcycles are not chick magnets, they are Chuckmagnets.

Back in the old days, the biggest lie told about motorcycles was that they owned one, usually told by "wannabes" who hung around in bars in full costume.

I outgrew the limitations of the stock tires and needed more off-road oriented tires and a different sprocket for better climbing ability. But that's as far as worthwhile upgrades that weren't accessories like cord for my sound system, charge port for my cell, auxiliary lights which let me see far better at night. I've been told once during the day with the aux lights on, by a SUV driver that it helped them notice me and a friend who had straight exhausts before the lady pulled into both of us. His exhaust she didn't even hear

I've been riding motorcycles for most of my life. I started when I was just 9 years old jumping on friends bikes and not just small ones. I got my first one of my own at 11 years old and I'm 70 now. I watch for, listen for and pay attention to motorcycles. I was driving south on 405 out of Bellevue Washington in my KIA Sportage, traffic was heavy, I was in the middle of three lanes. I looked in my sideview mirror engaged my left turn signal and looked over my left shoulder to move into the left lane as this lane was moving better and there was no one beside me. As I started moving over a middle aged man on a BMW hit his horn and moved up where I could see him beside me. This bike was in my blind spot and I've noticed thru the years of owning this car there IS a large blind spot to my left rear and also to my right and left front caused by the large side mirrors and the roof posts. I was startled and felt really guilty for not seeing him but was this entirely my fault. No. He was riding in a bad place and obviously if there was room for me to move over there was room for him to move up where I could see him. Say what you will but had he been on a Harley with louder pipes I'm sure I would have known he was beside me. I don't drive with my radio on, I like the quiet.

Umm as a motorcyclist and a cage driver, I personally have a better respect for motorcycles but have heard loud pipes in my blind spot while driving my car to remind me they were there.

Here is how the loud pipes situation is. Yes. They will absolutely save you from being ran over. If say for me in California lane splitting they will almost always hear me before they see me because I’m not doing 100 mph faster then they are. When you are close to someone they will hear you before they stop looking at their phones. And no they don’t need to be loud enough for deaf people to hear grow up. Anyone that says they won’t help either does not ride or they ride like moron.

Edit. Make this a 10 minute video.

Loud pipes absolutely save lives along with good judgment and good riding skills. I am 62 and have benefited from loud pipes several times. If decibels don't matter then why the sirens? Why not just the lights? It's because they work!!

I have said "I had to lay it down." Though I did look back on it and realize that I just wasn't skilled enough. Though I had to throw a bike down to avoid a much larger accident. My last accident was totally my fault due to getting on the throttle to hard coming out of a round a bout. I at least learned something from every accident in my 20+ years of riding. But I know there is always more to learn. I hope everyone stays safe when out on the roads.

I switched from a half to full helmet because I was going to be commuting in winter weather and wanted more protection from the elements. I'm used to it now, and realistically, the majority of impacts in a crash are to the face. Kinda sucks in the summer, but it's not impossible. I do wish I'd gone with a white helmet instead of flat black.

I would suggest that loud pipes do get attention. And can save lives. My two experiences were: I watched a deer coming across a field toward the road and it heard my pipes and turned away from the road. The second was the opposite. A driver froze and freaked at the sound and stopped his car in the intersection we were going thru, which I didn't expect, and it put me in the hospital. So a positive but also a negative outcome.

Hey honey, I want to buy some new pipes for my Harley. They cost $750 but I hear they could save my life someday, well in that case my love, you better go get them, the checkbook is in my purse, Thanks honey you’re the best. 😇😎

I've had only two incidents, where my loud pipes did save my life and my bike. They both made deer hurry up or turn around and get off the road.

The only way to save money riding vs driving is trying too. A cheap bike and budget gear can save on fuel costs if you have a long commute or regular long trips. On my current riding schedule I'll see my savings in 2026 or so...

There is just one situation when “Gotta layyer down” might be a valid escape maneuver: Suppose an 18 wheeler pulled out and stopped across the road, you were going too fast, saw the truck too late for whatever reason. Unable to dodge the truck trailer, and unable to stop fast enough to avoid the collision. Then maybe it might be valid to consider sliding underneath the trailer to safety

I've absolutely become aware of a bike in my blind spot because of its loud pipe. The argument against it is nonsense. I can't stand people trying to act like being noticed by cars is a bad thing. Stop it.

A flashing daytime headlight and day /night brakelight from Custom Dynamics is the best bike safety thing that I've done. People definitely notice me.

My tires are bald, when I grab the brakes, the front caliper throws sparks. I need to drive 90 miles tonight. 🏍️

Deer whistle perhaps, but YT clearly shows a certified genius with a train horn. Saddle bags for the air compressor and a stunning quarter mile ride by. Loud pipes, lane filtering and motorcycle training and practice. Stopping, swerve, timely maintenance, and ATGATT. Thanks for the update much appreciated.

About laying down a bike, I’ve only had 1 really close family member that done this and even though the er doctor stated that doing that actually saved his life. My cousin honestly told me that there was multiple things he did wrong that created the outcome from excessive speeding to being mentally/emotionally distracted and angered.

Loud pipes draw attention. Attention is what you want on abike when it comes to safety. Loud pipes can save lives and it's cringe when people rebut that. It's obvious .

Been upgrading since 1966. My Road King was the only bike I didn't 'outgrow'. But after many years and aging into the low 70's, my last 'Upgrade" is an 883.

Deer whistles get the deer to look in your direction so their eyes light up for your awareness. 🤞🏻👍🏻✌🏻

In my experience, when an animal is on the side of the road you should always slow you speed immediately because they will almost always run away from you taking the clearest path, which is usually strait across the road.

Loud pipes: while driving, I was abused by three bikers with loud pipes when I stopped before an intersection to give way to an ambulance. I could hear the ambulance, but could not see it because of buildings near the intersection. The bike went through, nearly causing an accident.

When you first started riding back in 2006 wow just wow you are an absolute expert when it comes to riding motorcycles!!! I’m 71 years old and I didn’t even start riding until 1969, I’m so glad I found your RU-vid channel so I can get advice from such a seasoned rider!!!

Laying down your bike is for racing The more contact you have with the ground the more friction you have to slow you down. In the small space of a race track, it's always better then hitting a barrier in the air at full speed! You will never go anywhere near those speed unless you're an idiot! So, Laying down your bike intentialy is probably the silliest thing I ever heard 😅 Never lay your bike down, you will lose control. It's not worth it

Loud pipes have saved me a few times, but they were always drag pipes with higher compression pistons. They always had a higher pitch and a louder crack ,that may have been the biggest thing that those cars noticed

"Loud pipes save lifes" refers to pedestrians who want to cross a street.

This incident was told to me by my Father. A cycle rider on a full dressed Harley lost control and laid the bike down, as he did he sat on the sliding bike till it stopped. He righted the bike and road off. My dad said it looked like he calm and collected ..

I checked my weather app one day, showed clear sky and sunshine, 20 minutes away it was raining so hard interstate traffic nearly stopped. 45 minutes away it was raining so hard I was riding through 6" of flood waters and actually drowned out my bike to the point I couldn't give any throttle I just had to cruise 5mph with the choke on to the gas station to park and wait for my bike to dry out

I know of one instance when a loud pipe saved a life. I was doing evening Uber a couple of months ago. Radio was down for the passenger preference. I kept hearing a bike, but neither me nor my passenger could see it. The bike popped up beside me at a red light. The idiot had a kill switch on his lights (including brakes). If I hadn't heard him, I would have lane changed on top of him.

Ok my Norton 750 was LOUD STRAIGHT PIPES NO MUFFLERS. Was beside a car window down making a lot of noise the car still decided to change lanes. So my experience has been not heard.

Loud pipes irritate drivers and make it unsafe for me, a motorcyclist.

I've had two accidents. The first was my fault. I was young, riding stupid, and had alcohol in my system. Fast forward over twenty years. The last accident I had was because my front brakes locked up. No clue why, but I went down. Walked away fine, but the bike was screwballed. I've replayed everything in my mind trying to figure out if there was any way I could've stayed upright, but there's nothing I can think of. I tore down the calipers, thoroughly cleaned them, flushed, brake fluid, etc. Still no clue why it happened. Thankfully no one was hurt, including myself, and no damage to anyone else's vehicles. Just my ego and my baby.

Bullshit on the loud pipes. Many times I’ve heard a bike before I saw it. That’s like saying more lights on your rear end don’t make you more visible. Second, full face helmets DO restrict your vision. I don’t care what the DOT rules say. I wear a half helmet most of the time. I have a full face that I wear when it’s raining or too cold. When looking back over the shoulder to change lanes, I absolutely see less with a full face versus a half. That’s a fact.

In my experience (not with bikes), having a deer whistle on my car seemed to attract birds

In statistics class we learn that a small RANDOM sample is 40 examples from the greater set. When some tells me about their one or two examples, you can bet they are citing exceptions to the rule.

Weather in the south.. 15% chance of rain = 100% 🤣🤣

Helmets do restrict FOV, but not enough to justify no wearing one. My hjc i90 is my most restrictive helmet and my favorite helmet.

You mentioned visors a few times. My helmet has that internal sun visor that I can drop down when ever, but I also picked up a photochromic visor that darkens in sunlight. That was an absolute game changer, one visor for day and night, and the internal to add to it. I just don't have to think about what visor I have for conditions any more.

Riding a motorcycle is inherently dangerous not matter what you wear or what kind of bike you ride. Bottom line is you will NEVER see a professional racer out on the track WITHOUT a helmet or other protective gear. That 'it'll never happen to me' attitude just shows low I.Q. I've ridden well over 250,000 miles on my bikes, was a club road captain for 15 years, have been in 38 of the 50 states plus Canada and have been involved in accidents with brain-dead cage drivers several times. But NEVER have I 'laid it down' to avoid an incident. Giving up any control at all doesn't seem like a good solution to anything you might encounter on the road. Saying you have a friend that had a good outcome after doing this means your friend just got lucky. Every accident is an unknown quantity until everything comes to a stop and it mostly comes down to dumb luck. Also, I wear a helmet even in states I don't have to. Head injuries are very serious and I for one don't want one. Yes, life is better without a helmet but it's so much better without a brain injury. I also wear ear plugs INSIDE my helmet and still hear everything that goes on. Just not as loud! That being said, motorcyclists are one of the most civic minded demographics on the planet. Our Club participated in so many charity events over the years and donated monies to so many causes I can't keep count. One of the few things on the planet that most people can agree on for the most part is motorcycle brotherhood.

I ride like I’m invisible, but I have a full stainless delkevic on the Drz400sm and you can hear me in your house a half mile away. Everyone isn’t hearing me in their car but is reckon a whole bunch of them do.

The view angle is based on looking straight ahead. When I turn my eyes, the helmet is in my field of view. I must turn my head even more to better check my blind spot. By doing so, I have less peripheral vision on the road in front of me. Don’t get me wrong, I always wear my helmet - I just think the argument is valid.

After my buddy lost all his teeth and his nose rearranged in his accident I now ride full face and I see everything just fine and I even hear my stereo better.

I drive truck, and i cant count how many times loud pipes let me know there was a bike in my blind spots.

The only time I laid one down I was riding my XL250 and I came around a hill and realized a gate was closed. I laid it over at the last moment and the tires went under the barbed wire and have not laid one over since. I do not tailgate! I'm 60 now and ride an Electra Glide.

Purchased a Yamaha FZ1 in 2004 and It saved $$$ in gas until I had to buy tires!

For me, it seems like loud pipes may prevent being rear-ended. Drivers definitely follow further behind when I'm on my bike than when I'm in my car. I would chalk it up to them being cautious while following a motorcycle, but my pickup is louder than my bike, and people follow even farther back when I'm driving it. Pretty sure they just don't like the growl right in their face.

Problem is with loud pipes, i agree they have the potential to get you noticed. But with newer cars getting quieter and quieter inside, some luxury models are so quiet you dont hear anything outside....you also dont feel anything. I love my old stuff. I want to hear everything and feel the road.

Older full face helmets often had not only a narrower view but they had a deeper bucket that for some people caused the helmet to ride up onto their shoulders when they turned their heads to the side. In fact the helmet would often stop turning and your head would turn into the helmet. I had a Bell helmet in the 70s like that and a Nolan helmet like that in the late 80s. The new full helmets are much better designed with wider shells, actual ventilation, and far more padding. The view is a lot better too.

I went to pass today and the vehicle I was passing went to pass another vehicle. Luckily, I was able to go into oncoming traffic and there was no one there, but if there would’ve been someone there, they would’ve crashed into me and perhaps pushed me into oncoming traffic and if I had exhaust, and this might not have happened .

Lane positioning and formal training save more lives than loud pipes. I've ridden in a group when someone else had loud pipes and I couldn't even hear or feel my own bike. So, how loud do pipes need to be before they are obnoxious? Also, read the operators manual. It's against the law to modify the exhaust.

How lucky am I that I stumbled across the guy that knows everything about motorcycles

I rode for over 60 years and believe me rubber stops better than steel or leather. Reasonable loud pipes do help make others aware of your presence, don’t go for really loud pipes though they get very annoying. Only hit one deer at 65 mph, didn’t go down but was a bad experience indeed.

There has only been one time “I had to lay her down” and it was a very specific circumstance, it was on a downhill gravel road that had a cable across the road to close it, it blended in with the background, by the time I seen it, I tried braking to a stop, realizing that I wasn’t going to be able to stop before hitting the cable I locked the rear brake to slide the bike under and stopped on the other side of said cable, that’s been the one and only time that was the best option to not get injured

In 2000 a car came into my lane . It's body trapped my leg . I had to lay it down to keep from going into a wall head on . I didn't walk away if you wondered .

Somewhat loud pipes make me smile! Rheinharts!

I only layed one bike down. It sure wasn't on purpose or in control. I was making a 90 degree left turn and a car pulled out from the right curb right in front of me. When I chopped the throttle in scutted out from under me.The woman was so clueless she drove away without a backward look.

Good stuff. My little 125cc commuter bike absolutely saves me money compared to a car, but the amout I spend on buses and trains for longer journeys probably makes up a lot of the difference.

I have to admit to saying "I had to BAIL" however, I never said I had to "lay it down." My scenario old beater bike, curve coming and steep bank with a river on the far side of guardrails in sight, lean and push on bars but the bike stays in straight line, glance down to my left and see sparks... Ever have a kick stand malfunction at a high rate of speed? Off the back I leapt.

Thing about riding in the rain , your drying off at the same time your getting wet 😊

Look I have had bikes with quiet pipes and loud pipes. I like loud pipes because I think they sound better than stock usually. Maybe there's an odd time where they alerted a driver to my presence but I don't ride expecting it.

Anecdotally, I can say with certainty that loud pipes can prevent accidents in certain circumstances. Particularly, splitting lanes in rush hour highway traffic. I get cut off by lane changes FAR less often since I put new exhaust on. So...."loud pipes save fender benders"?

Firm believe in ' Loud Pipes Save Lives ' as when I was an over the road big rig driver I could tell when a bike was near me. Yet a BMW or Goldwing was around not so much.

I always wear a helmet, whether it is a half, modular, or full face. I have NO problem with vision issues. I have not had to lay a bike down, but I have had to turn 90° in less than 3 feet (instead of t-boning a Cherokee that pulled out right in front of me). I high sided and got thrown, but did not hit the Jeep straight on, saving my life. Drivers pay more attention to loud music than loud pipes. I had a stage 3 Screaming Eagle Sportster (1992) with straight pipes, and let me.tell you, it was LOUD. People still came into my lane, and I was still hit on it. I got my Street Glide Special, and since, I have cars telling me to turn my music down, meaning they are annoyed by it, but it has their attention.

As for "Laying her down". I had 2 uncles in T-bone accidents. 1. Tried evasive maneuvers and flew over the hood of the car breaking 4 vertbraes in his back. 2. "Layed her down" sliding into the drivers door dislocating a shoulder and 3 broken ribs. Which person would you rather be? 1. Paralyzed with medical complications that settlement no longer covers. 2. Able to walk away.

“I had to lay her down” is actually a famous country song by Conway Twitty.

I’m in the UK and we don’t have a choice when it comes to wearing a Lid. I would always anyway.

Been on the street 50 years this year. I have good peripheral vision and grateful for it. I think a lot of people have it hung in there mind that all full and modular helmets are like the old Bell full face helmet I call the Bender helmet. They were awful. I remember dad bringing me one home in like 1968. I never rode with it and dad took it back. I stayed with a 3/4 helmet for another 20 years. And I did have to lay a bike down years ago in SoCal. I wasn't speeding and when that battleship sized 1978 Caprice pulled out from a blind wall. No place to go,, period! I was going to hit that car. Head on traffic, trees to the right. No way this was going to end well. I stomped on the rear brake and went down to the ground. As the bike hit the car and then bounced off it and went into head on traffic. I slid up under the rear of the car looking at the gas tank. Tore my helmet, jacket and jeans up with a bit of rash on my ass,,, but walked away. It was the once in a lifetime miracle. Loud pipes do save life. And they do sound good. I have a Goldwing and people are always trying to lane change into me on that bike because it is so quiet. I never get lane changed into on the smaller less lit up and louder MT-09. The Akra exhaust gets their attention quick. As far as growing out of a bike. I take it as more of a need for change. And it's shocking how many riders can't get on a bike regardless of size, style, years in the saddle that cant do full lock U-turns or ride curbs like a balance beam. Everytime I buy a new bike at a dealership I always do full lock turns, figure 8's, ride curbs and sometime parking stops like a balance beam, up on the pegs. Some hard quick stops at slow speed, creep around on it and such in there parking lot before I pull out on the new bike and go my way. I might even make a suspension adjustment before I leave the dealer. I also believe beginner's need beginner bikes to learn on. Learning to ride is a very complex task and it takes awhile to get all the tools in the box. No such thing as saving money riding a motorcycle. Esp. in the USA. Those days started ending in the late 70's and early 80's. Motorcycles are money pits like boats now days. And the last nail was driven into that coffin when yuppies started paying full price for way over priced POS Harleys. Then all the other companys saw just how stupid many were and the prices across the board started skyrocketing for bikes, gear and accessories. Stupid people buy on payment aren't smart enough to figure out how bad they are ripping themselves off. There has never been a motorcycle made worth MSRP. I've only finance one bike in my life to full term of the loan. And have never paid MSRP muchless market adjustment BS or any of the other stupid crap dealers now come up with. I've been a partner in a couple of dealerships between 1995 and 2010. We always discounted bikes, gear, parts and accessories. Insurance has went through the roof. And if you don't do your own maint. and service your pissing money away and getting substandard if not at times dangerous service. It's not good now days. Always keep rain gear on the bagger/touring bikes. Never use a tinted face shield, always clear with a built in tint inner visor and my glasses are alway auto tint. I don't like a tank bag at all on my bikes. I do use a tail bag and try to keep a light rain jacket in it. I also keep my riding jeans and firehose fabric pants treated with 3M water repellent spray. I'm a 63 year old grey beard and the women still want a ride. Young, old, pretty and ugly. They like the Goldwing and the little evil looking MT-09. Have to tell them no. The wife owns the rear seat on the Wing and there are no passenger pegs on the Yamahammer. Just keep the bike lit up and on your game when it comes to dear and critters. The Goldwing has a pair of Clearwater Erica's on it that turn night to day. And by and large only ride the MT-09 at night in the town I live in.

Thanks for great video. I'm a newbie at motorcycling. Started just last year. I spend about $1500 on motorcycle stuff BEFORE I even bought the motorycle. Like basic gear, classes etc

Many years on quiet bikes, staying upright in emergencies and wearing a helmet, signaling and not assuming victimhood have served me well. Caution and anticipation beats righteous indignation. Watch Noraly and take note.

I drive truck, I do loud mufflers in traffic, both cars and motorcycles.

I know that I’ve been noticed many times because of my loud pipes on the road.

“Had to layer down” I down shifted quickly because a Subaru dead stopped without warning. Dropped 2 gears with minimal pressure on the rear brake the back tire locked down, it was then sliding and I wasn’t going to get it stopped without hitting the back of the car and risking bending the forks on my new bike. Literally had it under an hour. It was going to be worse had I not locked the front brake and slammed the bike. Didn’t get my leg out the way I meant to but that slowed me enough for the Subaru to manage getting the hell out of my way. But that was with nowhere to go no time to stop. Lost a back tire had a blow out riding on wires like an idiot, I was going 70 in a curve and was able to hold it and get it stopped thought everything I was doing through. 2009 in a curve car was across double yellows dodged front tire found the shoulder (grass) so I knew it wasn’t salvageable and wasn’t going with the bike down the mountain and I chose to jump off and let her go on down the mountain all by its lonesome. Each situation I saw what was happening and made the best of the bad decisions with the least amount of risk to my body and my life. That bike is replaceable. Do not kill yourself attempting to save it know when to bail period. There isn’t always a way through a bad situation. Take your least bad option

Get loud pipes they sound great! Upgrade yours audio system, to enable hearing it over your new pipes. Get some hearing aids so you can hear your television after riding!

Motorcycle and firearm communities are the best. Open to all and always fun.

I have the LS2 Advant X Carbon modular and I have no field view issues: The LS2 Advant X modular helmet is DOT certified. It meets or exceeds the DOT FMVSS 218 standard, which is the U.S. Department of Transportation's federal safety standard for motorcycle helmets. This certification ensures that the helmet has passed rigorous testing for impact protection and other safety criteria. In addition to being DOT certified, the LS2 Advant X also meets the ECE 22.06 standard, which is the European safety standard for motorcycle helmets. This dual certification demonstrates that the helmet meets high safety standards both in the United States and Europe. I also have Shoei RF-SR and I would say the field of vision is, if anything, larger in the LS2.

I started riding (on the street) in 92/93. Have only been in two collisions, neither were my fault. I have never "had to lay her down". I do think there might be a meaning we are missing tho - In the event you are heading i to an obstacle and, in order to swerve around it, you HAVE TO push your lean angle further than your bike is capable of. You lean over so far (to change the path of an imminent impact) that you drug metal parts and low sided. THAT would be "i had to lay it down". If your choices are strike something OR swerve so hard you low side, push it til ya "lay it down".

well I see it everyday that my throttle blip catches a cagers attention.... I see it everyday so yes I will stand by loud pipes save lives