So, the grom is smaller and isn't throttle sensitive, which makes it a bad beginner bike. The busa is huge and snappy, which makes it the perfect beginner bike! Buy a busa!
Only if it's turbo Busa. Now jokes aside Hayabusa is not snappy at all it has very friendly throttle map and power delivery. It's an overpowered touring bike and very easy to ride without any drama the only issue is the weight of the bike. gsxr1000 is much more snappy and radical compared to the Hayabusa.
@@Fearless154 agreed. But in my country, it cost wayyyyy too much for anyone to own here😂 i went and checked it out the other day and as it turns out, higher cc engines bikes insurance and licencing alone can buy you a perfectly capable 250cc bike. And it's not even fun to ride a superbike in our twisted and hilly mountain roads
I'm a petite 5 foot 3 woman and the Grom is actually a perfect beginner bike for me because it fits my proportions. I rode a Grom for my M2 course here in Toronto, Canada and I found it really easy to manoeuvre. I'm a pretty avid cyclist (commuted to work on my bike this past winter) and I'm so used to cycling that the speed of a motorcycle still kind of startles me lol. I love it but I'm not used to it yet so the Grom is very manageable for me to learn on. Thanks for the video tho great to hear different points of view!
I’m bout to learn on one myself at my mss course. It’s the one I clicked the most with out of everything I’ve sat on for the past couple months. It’s the only one that I feel I can totally manage without it feeling like it’s too big or too much bike for me. If it sucks so much as a beginner bike then why does the motorcycle safety course use it? Lol. Second of all if you’re a beginner rider, why are you jumping on the highway? I know I’m not gonna be going on the highway with a motorcycle let alone my car because there’s so many jerk drivers out there. Maybe for these tall guys that are used to riding busas and bigger bikes, obviously you’re too tall for the grom, so why would you make a video about the grom being so horrible? I mean it’s horrible for you cuz you’re tall, experienced, and you like the things you like. but you have to consider also people who are shorter than you, maybe women riders, and there’s other things to consider. you shouldn’t just throw this bike under the bus because you’re tall and you don’t like it. Sorry but I think your review is biased. I am in agreement with Junbug
So badly want a grom. Parents don’t want me getting a motorcycle because they’re too dangerous. I didn’t win them over with the fact the grom has 9-10 horsepower, tops out at 56 and gets 130 something miles to a gallon. Yet I drive a car that sounds like it’s about to blow up, that I am basically guessing what gear I’m entering when shifting cause the stick is sloppy.... hmm
I don't think it's common for parents to Want their children to get motorcycles, they're dangerous. If you want one though and have the means of getting one, you gotta go for it - you don't need and probably will never get their approval
My Aprilia Tuono has been sitting in my garage since I purchased a grom to teach my daughter to ride.A grom is a great starter bike for new riders & a blast for experienced riders. Just my 2 cents.
anyone who says "this isnt a REAL bike" clearly doesnt know what they're talking about I mean like anything with two wheels and a motor is REAL enough for me like my pit bike rides almost just like a grom and I've learned a whole lot on it.
They compared a 300cc to a 125cc on a speed test up a hill. Clearly missing brain cells. I've had many bikes at this stage, my current daily driver is a grom. Previous owner was 6'6 and had no issues with riding position or knees getting in the way for a full lock, it just needs to be set up correctly.
It’s my first bike and i don’t ever plan on getting rid of it. I live in Fort Lauderdale so it’s perfect for my day to day commute. Also, a mt03 a real bike? Come on now. Apples to oranges 😂
@hothsurvivor & @TheQ I'm 5-7 w/32" inseam and ride a VStrom 1000 without lowering or seat modifications. Only balls of feet touch ground with boots. 530 lb bike that has NEVER been laid over and capably ridden even 2-up w/wife. Also, own an ride DR650 and same story as far as suspension and seat. The key here is I know "how" to ride a motorcycle. I haven't ridden a bike under 185 cc since I was 14 years old and anything under 250 cc does not belong on American roads. Face it in America Groms are under-powered "junk" and poor value as far as motorcycles are concerned. I suppose if you are "shrimp" size or have a third world level income because of some intellectual disability than you might settle for a Grom but then maybe you should stick to bicycles or get a job as a circus clown so you can be paid for people to laugh at you riding your mini-bike for money.
@@CrackFactory LOL My ballz are probably bigger than your brain. Whenever I see someone riding a Grom I think the circus is back in town or they just laid off all the 🤡 s🤣🤣
I'm 6'3 198lbs and I got a grom as my first and only bike. I love it, but I only ride it around town. It's a fully modded bike, intake, tune and exhaust so it's a bit more peppy than a stock grom. I do however fully plan on getting a bigger bike really soon. Ride safe friends!
To us in the Philippines, we are happy and contended with bikes and scooters at 100cc to 150cc. Though we can't use it in toll roads we can reach out destinations without any issues.
sorry Yam, you've missed the whole point! In 2 weeks a beginner (never ridden before) can grow as much as spending the whole season on a regular bike (personal experience with my wife). then can easily get to a 650 or something.
I've had a Grom for two years and 16,000 miles and its brilliant. Admitidly I am a mere 5' 4", weighing in a 140lbs, so for me to have a bike I can actually flat foot is great. It does all I ask of it and I have got up to 75mph (down hill with the wind behind me) but I would agree it's not the best bike for anyone of average height and above.
And that's why I recommend every beginner start of with a busa, teaches you good throttle discipline, instead of going full-blown open throttle like these gromsters have been doing.
I love the complaining about an A1 market bike not being a good beginner bike, it's a 125cc, it's literally designed for a beginner bike market? In your market, it's meant to be a toy, in most other markets, it's a brilliant bike for both learning on and for commuting on.
Keep in mind the US is different than Europe. Many speed limits are higher here and more people use highways. If you're just in city then of course the power is fine. Also it's intentionally small framed and ergonomically isn't right for many people as they said in the video. It's designed to be a toy bike unlike other 125-300cc bikes.
I agreed with "it a joy" but a poor learning tool for a beginner. The yammie's argument was that grom doesn't teach you skills which are necessary for a new rider. You can ride grom for many years but you'll never learn throttle control, Proper braking skills, and body position and actually, it can teach you bad habits with the throttle and braking. Yes, You can perfectly own a grom as your first bike and have tons of fun but if advancing as a rider is your goal it'll be a poor choice.
Anton Newman wrong the grom can teach you trottle control you just have to try and ride where the speed limit is low and don’t just imagine jumping from a grom to a r1 start thinking of reality not nonsense.
@@off.coast.gromer5940 Jump from grom to r3 will be an issue let a lot to r1. What throttle control it can teach you? Literally to start moving with a grom you need full throttle.
I'm 6'3 175lbs and have one as my first bike. My advice is to just sit on the back seat if your legs don't fit by the tank. 10hp is all I need to get around town, and if j need to go on the highway ill just drive a car.
I got it as a first bike and put 3000 miles on it commuting through DC all season I really enjoyed riding it. Its pretty good offroad with duel sport tires.
@@zhangdy1108 did you struggle with the tight U turns sometimes because turning the bars and arranging your legs and arms is like origami on a Grom? I sure did
The grom won't be very practical for going to college as it will very quickly become uncomfortable and you may struggle to keep up with traffic. All up to you.
Don't listen to them. I have a 2019 Yamaha R1 but i still prefer the grom. It's a fun bike to whip around on. I'd take my grom to work majority of the times instead of my r1
The R1 needs longer time for the engine to heat up since it's a lot bigger. You could easily start the grom and instantly drive away or go on the highway without worrying about blowing the engine. Which is way more practical for commuting.
Totally disagree. My Z125 was a perfect way to get into riding. Easy to maneuver, light and has excellent gas mileage. Its not fast but it doesn't need to be. It is fun and easy to ride starting out. I commuted to work for over a year on this and loved every minute. I have upgraded to a bigger bike and have now turned my Z into a trail bike but both bikes are fun in their own way and owe my start in the sport to my Z.
@@berkk29 I generally find his videos resourceful and have gained a lot of riding knowledge from them but just had to give my 2 cents on this one as a proud owner of a 125.
A lot of your reasons of why its not a beginner bike supports it being a great beginner bike. I don't want my kid to get on the freeway until he has a year or so of riding under his belt. He's small so the fact that that the bike is small is perfect. It's underpowered, great! I don't want him doing wheelies and showing off or going 100+ mph. Your reasons are b.s.. The weight is another great reason.
You know it’s a 125 cc bike and only have 9 hp right? And there are more countries in the world than just USA so in norway a honda grom is an amazing bike for a a1 license and everyone loves it here and you actually you have to be gentle with the trottle but you can say what you want
Its all well and good comparing a grom to a mt03 but if im not mistaken, you are comparing a 125 to a 300. In England thats a whole different license because of power restrictions etc. But if you are comparing a 125 to another bike, maybe another 125 is more usefull for beginner riders
I started on a Grom! Graduated to a Ninja 400, now I ride a ZX6R, Vulcan 800, Suzuki Savage and DR350. Still have my Grom also and would have never taken up riding if not for the Grom!!
@@nickcraciun the more I learn about riding, the more I think the Grom is not a great beginner bike. I would recommend the Grom as a second or third bike, because you appreciate how fun it is once you have the fundamentals of riding mastered. I'm 5'10" by the way.
@@DR4WZ thanks a lot man! From what I’ve read and seen since this, I now think I’m going to get a different bike to start on. I’ve never ridden before, so I don’t wanna start with something like the grom, especially if it doesn’t teach the skills properly.
@@nickcraciun no problem! If I could go back and talk to my former self, I would have recommended starting on something like a used Ninja 650. Try to pay cash outright, because I think when you finance a motorcycle, you're more nervous of dropping it, so you may be hesitant to lean it, practice slow speed maneuvers, etc. If you own it outright and someone has already dropped it for you a few times before you buy it, you're just adding to the character when you drop it, plus it'll be a heck of a better price! Anyway, the Ninja 650 is a parallel twin which means it has predictable power, lower seat height than a 4 cylinder 600 Supersport, and very forgiving of jerky inputs from the rider. That's where I would start...
I disagree with some of the things you say.. I've been driving a Grom (MSX125) for 3 years.. It is amazing in tight traffic like where I live in Chiang Mai, Thailand. This bike was my first motorcycle. I have driven big bikes as well, and of course they are better for some things, but zipping in and out of close traffic is not one of them :P
Couldn't afford it on his parents allowance after buying soy milk and video games. Drinking all that soy milk caused him to get jiggly man breasts that were all the more apparent on the Grom clown bike and his buds started trying to cop a feel😂
In the 70s my buddy had a Honda 90 that we would all ride. It would flip when you spank the throttle. One of my friends wheelied it into a log pile and dislocated his shoulder. We tried to fix it with a book but eventually took him to a hospital in the back of an old pickup.
When I wrecked my ninja 500 I went down at about 35-40mph My bike got totalled and I was pretty banged up in a world of pain (tho thankfully nothing broken... Just a VERY bad shoulder and knee sprain and some road rash.. Still enough to be out of it for a bit!) The way I see it, it doesn't matter how big or small your bike is, going down at 35mph is going down at 35mph, and if a grom can go as fast if not faster then they are just as dangerous as riding a ninja 500 at the same speed lol
The Grom is what I did with my motorcycle course on. It does have a friction zone but it's so so tiny that I stalled over 10 times during the first hour of my course
I used a Grom to get the motorcycle endorsement on my license. It felt like cheating since everything is about low speeds and I felt it handled great in that parking lot. I ride a 500 on the streets though because i like actually having torque but don't want to kill myself with a liter bike.
Funny how the grom got such a cult following, wonder if Honda will invest in making it a better bike now as there's clearly demand and it seems like they put bare minimum effort at first.
I have to say I’m new to street bikes and haven’t been on any kind of bike in several decades. At 6’1 280 I picked up a grom at the beginning of summer, a 3 owner 19 with 1500k for 2500 bucks. With the exception of turning completely numb after 25 miles I loved every minute of it. Any intimidation factor wore off in under three minutes. After 1000 miles I rode 50 miles to trade it on a new cb500f and got more in trade than I paid for it plus a price of 5k on the new one. I did have an offer of an mt03 for 500 dollars less but thought the cb500f was easily worth 500 more and I’m glad I did. I’m not intimidated at all on it outside of the wind blast at 70mph which any naked bike will do. I see your point and agree to an extent but for me it was a good progression and one I think I’ll be happy with for many years as it’s purposed as a commuter first and leisure a distant second. For 2500 that I recovered over 100% I confirmed I did want a commuter bike and wanted to do so within the same timeframe as a car. Win.
They teach people how to ride on bikes like the groom in the UK. Also no we're in the UK are you under any resion allowed to go faster than 70mph if you do and get stopped your get a fine and point on your license. Also truck's aren't aloud to go faster than 55 so a groom wouldn't get over taken by one. Also you can't ride anything above a 125cc before you get a full bike licence even if you have a car licence you can't ride a bike. I have a R6 but I ride my yzf-r 125cc most of the time as ridding around town's and city's is easy and better. The usa like to kill there novice bike rides by selling them 600cc bike's before they can ride.
@Jay M have a look on my Instagram then. Same name. Also I have 5 bike's in total. One more thing are Queens English is different in so many different ways to American. OK I didn't use grammar! But who really cares on RU-vid.
@@timjohnson1199 if you're born here, you don't know any different. Like we can legally drink at 18 teen in a bar, gamble at 16teen have sex legal by the age of 16 teen with no age concern above that. But motorbike you can't just ride anything and we have licence brackets, it's to stop people just going out buying big bike's with no idea how to ride them and killing them self's. Also we have a lot off B road's country lane's with really tight corners long straight is fun to ride them no matter what bike you're on.
I've been watching your videos for a year now i finally passed my driving test today on the way home I stopped by Aprilia with my dad and I am now the owner for a 2017 Rsv4 rr
The thing is the Grom(real name MSX 125) wasn't made for the US market. It was made in Asia for Asians. The average male weighs 60kg and is 5'5. It's not for fat Americans over 6ft. Asian towns and city streets are way narrower and you usually don't go over 40mph. It's why most ride scooters and most bikes don't go over 300cc. With a 300 you are faster than 99% of all traffic even on the highways. It's the same reason Asians think Harleys are the most useless bikes ever. Big slow,heavy and a pain to own and ride. Compare the bikes to the enviroment they were meant to be used in. Why doesn't Yam take his Daytone 675 on the Paris to Dakar rally and see how great it is then? The steering feel...the brakes. Be subjective guys.
Yeah I was going to mention that it's sold as a Honda MSX in Asia as a commuter bike for smaller people who's competition is 125cc scooters and old school underbones and standards. I also noticed another bike we don't get here called the Yamaha MSlaz 125 that's a similar type of bike.
@@michaelclark3192 The Asian markets differs alot Western ones. The Mslaz is a real nice streetfighter tipe bike. I commute everyday from home to work on a bike in Asia. In traffic,during rainy season ect. I ride a 200cc and even that is too big sometimes and a pain in the ass. Parking spots...bike getting scratched in packed traffic. If you ride a beginner bike by western standards (RC390, SV 650 ect) in the rain on greasy tarmac, with a snappy throttle and grabby brakes you will end up somewhere in a ditch or under a truck. I see atleast 50 MSX's everyday and they make perfect sense for their enviroment.
I still have my 125 from when I was learning, and it's genuinely still just as much fun to ride as it was when I started. It's just a different kind of fun to a bike that does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and doesn't get blown all over the road in the slightest wind! Switching between the two is a nightmare 😅😅😅 You've got it all ahead of you 👍👍👍
Why would you want a grom as your first bike anyway? It lacks any appeal, It looks like shit it rides like shit and you can't ride outside the city. I can see the appeal for experienced rider to get one to beat the living crap out of it. Just curious why makes you want to own a bike like this as your first one?
@Joey Jackson "Just mod it" and what you'll get 3 mph added to your top speed while wasting money which could buy you already a much more capable bike. Let not mention the fact that riding a grom in highway speeds is an absolute rape of its air-cooled small engine and it won't last for long by doing so. No shit captain obvious it appeals to him more than a bigger bike if he wants one that's why I asked him for the reason in the first place.
@@Fearless154 IMO these guys treat buying a Grom motorcycle like another toy or a form of entertainment. It's for those unwilling to go all in and commit financially to something that is actually safe and practical. Maybe the Groms are viewed as less intimidating. The Grom and it's it's other competitors are hitting a price point in the $3,500 range after taxes. Realistically, individuals could buy a used 1, 2 or 3 year old superior bike for less or new carry-over year models for only slightly more. Who knows maybe it's because the circus is actively recruiting and there are many new future career opportunities for clowns in training.
That Nick Longo Anyone can obviously spend their money as they choose. Fundamentally, I have an issue with individuals misleading others (young naive buyers) to not look at other potentially better options. They do this by misrepresenting Grom without other fair benchmarks of comparison. Yammie provides a true educated perspective that Grom buyers refute because they feel compelled to justify their decision based on their personal bias (human nature) . If you only ever rode a goat then don’t imply that a horse wouldn’t be a better choice. IMO and probably Yammies, a Grom is mostly a goat.
I bought a Ducati scrambler 800 before getting a motorcycle endorsement kind of a knee jerk decision with no test rides and minimum research online. Ended up being a great bike, no reliability problems at all. Considering I see them going on cycle trader for around $6,000-7,000 with really low mileage, I think they are a great beginner bike.
Try to buy a used Grom if you guys can, save yourself from dealer fees and you can find a low mileage grom for 3k or less. They’re super reliable and maintenance is relatively easy. In three months of ownership I put 2500 miles on mine. Also, forums are super helpful, read them.
My first "real" motorcycle was a sixties Triumph 250 (full size) that I rebuilt (basket case). Less power, worse brakes, crappy electrics, et al. Tons of fun.
Would any of you say that the grom would be good for learning basic controls of a motorcycle I’m 5’5 130lb and plan to buy this bike because it’s not so fast and I lm only making short commutes
Good thing I don't know any of you wannabe circus clowns. I wouldn't have time to do anything but watch you get fed through a tube, see your splintered bones pinned together on an x-ray or attend your funerals. As the saying goes "stupid people doing stupid things". May you all achieve great success in winning the Grom Darwin award and vastly improving the overall gene pool by permanently removing yourself from future contention.
I have one sat in my garage ready for my 17th birthday thats in 11 months :D In the UK you can have a 125cc at 17 and no more, so I'll be using it for college commuting.
his first point, throttle control.. its true, i went from a 250 Supermoto to a 690 supermoto and was deff a learning curve. i was still wacking throttle every where like a pissed off teenager.. which is exactly how i ride, but few speed wobbles here and there and i realize i have to tone it back just a hair.
I've got the z400 as my first bike and I took a ride of it today after almost a year of ownership and it still excites me and can be scary as well. I think it's got the right amount of power for a first bike. Not too much that it will wheelie with throttle input but enough speed that it does 0-60 in less than 5 seconds beating most cars.
I'm a 14y/o 175cm kid, i got a honda msx for 500usd and it works perfectly for me. i mean I'm just going to ride to school or idk Mcdonalds. l just moved to thailand from sweden, and the msx and grom are perfect for the roads here.
Try going to a nearby store and actually sit on the bikes. I know a person who's just as tall and can fit on a lot of good bikes easily with both his feet good on the ground
Your content keeps getting better and better. Teaming up with Spite was such a big dick maneuver and it added so much dynamic commentary. I effin' love this channel.
Obviously if you are 6ft and you know you can’t fit comfortably on it then don’t get it. Get a bigger bike. It’s not going to have the power of a bigger bike either, that should be expected and don’t think you’ll be going super fast on it.
So I’m 29. 5’11” about 175lb. Grom was my first bike. (Had riding experience prior). Some easy mods like clutch springs will help clutch feel. I had a built drz400sm and traded that for a fz07. Fz07 is an amazing bike and I feel I can grow into it a little more. But the grom still has a place in my garage, and will for a long time because around town is just so fun. Plus a lot of my friends have groms so that helps too. I’d recommend a grom as a first bike, esp someone that’s intimated to get on anything bigger. Can introduce them to how to counter steer. Use a clutch and shift, basic maintenance. I do agree that using one to commute day to day is a little much, but as a toy, it’s great.
The point is that this is a real motorcycle, that is soo forgiving, that it is not a good idea to learn on this bike if you don' want to get bad habits. It has taken me several months to learn to smoothly accelerate and decellerate on a big bike, so now I will be smooth even when riding a small bike like this. The weight also means you can get away with things you would never get away with on a bigger bike. I am sure a good, experienced rider will ride it properly, but a beginner will not make progress as the bike will not punish his or her mistakes.
@QuackWorker In US any bike less than 250 cc is not safe to be road worthy. These 125 cc Groms are toys, a complete joke and death sentence waiting to happen. I started out on a 75 cc bike at age 12 then 100 cc, a 185 cc by age 14 and a 250 cc at 15 where I also received my motorcycle endorsement at 16. Now I ride a 1000 cc motocycle with all the proper skills and am just tall enough the balls of my feet only touch the ground. Seriously, if you can't afford a proper motorcycle then better to not have one at all. Also, stop drinking all that soy milk or you'll start growing lady bits up top and your guy friends will try to take you to first base. 🤣
@@kannermw Aw man, you got me real good, lemme just go and change all of my opinions and wants because some rando felt the need to project his insecurities onto me! Maybe take some psych classes or go to a drag show so you can learn to read people better, otherwise you're just roasting yourself my guy
