you should have restarted the mock the second you saw JPJ at 35. I run a hundred mocks a day for fun and he is not at 20 more than half the time. There are 4-5 teams that need centers. Thankfully they have other needs too. Or else he would never be there at 20. Kiran Amegadjie will eventually be elite so if you get him (I do nearly 100% of the time) that leaves center open for even stronger consideration. The only problem is that you can't just throw Kiran in on week one.
@@JKDDarthSniperI don't think you understand the stupidity of the NFL. JPJ and Frazier are both better prospects than some of the tackles that will go before then, the NFL and those in charge of teams are to scared to make moves that will get them laughed at... JPJ will fall further than you think... I love JPJ... I don't think he will go in the top 25, just because of "positional value"
Interesting conversation, gentlemen. Liked the discussion a lot. I've always heard that any draft that produces 3 starters is a great draft. Well, you've got 2 starters with your first 2 picks! I'm not a fan of Patrick Paul, so I think I'd go Leonard Taylor. But there's a lot to like about your version.
Glad you enjoyed it. You're right, 3 starters in a single draft class is typically the rule of thumb for success. Early mocks had Paul in the 1st early part of the 2nd round... Late day 3 is a good spot considering his pass pro upside. But to your point regarding Taylor, think Pittsburgh would be a great spot for him. Talented player but he could stand to be in close proximity to the professionalism and accountability from the vets on the defensive side of the ball for sure.
You have to have a quality center to snap the ball guys. You have to have him, especially when your QB is mid thirties. Then go with Mims, right tackle in two. and they do have two third round picks, so they can get their D tackle Sweat and the WR out of Florida. After that got best player available regardless of position.
Like the plan but not sure how tenable it is. Would be genuinely surprised if either Sweat or Pearsall fall to the third. Pearsall's pre-draft process has been flawless and Sweat's film speaks for itself; the only thing that might depress his value is his conditioning/playing weight. Really like the idea of Mims early Day 2 but his traits will likely have him picked sooner. Agreed on the center position... offensive tackle gets a lot more attention but can't understate the importance of a quality pivot.
Love this draft but there is ZERO chance Mitchell is there at 20. He more likely to go top 10 then to even drop as low as 14-16 range. We would have to trade up if he somehow falls to the 14-16 range.
The sleeper is Mr Worthy... NFL is enamoured with size... Go the opposite and grab this speed.. do not allow the Dri Archer pick to deter us from Mr Worthy...
Glad to hear you enjoyed it. We like Bookie, he impressed in Mobile and going back to the tape there's a lot to like but view him as an early Day 3 pick. Not a pressing need for Pittsburgh but they can stand to add an ILB in Day 3, it depends on how they play the remainder of free agency.
@@marjojones9369 yes sir, but we need depth. We had 2 insider linebacker with season ending injuries. I love the fact that we got queen. I know we have Roberts, and holcomb coming back. But not sure how he'll do coming back from that injury so we need to draft an inside linebacker in this draft. Get him accustomed to the system. ROBERTS contract will be up and dude could sfide right in and start
@@cpgmNFLDraft well then let's add him in day 3 then lol. But I thought dude was like a solid day 2 guy and with us having 4 picks in the top 100, we could grab him. Thank you for your input which made a lot of sense
Probably worded that incorrectly but Drew cleared it up. We think there's more depth at the center/IOL position than tackle thru the first few rounds of the draft.
Noway your debating that hard at taking Jpj at 35 lol..after getting Mitchell at 20...it would be no debate...there not gonna go into the season with herbig at center..or take van pran..hes not a day 1 starter
Difference in opinions regarding who can step in immediately at center and who can start immediately at tackle. But think we ultimately made the right choice.
@cpgmNFLDraft yea I think your choices were fine...but I don't see the steelers going into next season with 2 rookies starting on the oline...a see another move coming or something..that's just not a good idea...and Van pran is not a day 1 starter...and u didn't take him but alot talk about him is Mims he's not a day 1 starter either..only played 8 games in college ever
No offense, I don't know what the hell you guys are watching. Kingsley Suamataia is the worst possible fit for the Steelers. He is a GOD AWFUL run blocker. All the BYU listed "amazing athletic" numbers that were listed were greatly exaggerated.. I couldn't tell if you guys were joking or what when you got all excited about him and having to invest future capital to move up for him... I'm still not sure if it's an inside joke I'm missing. Roger Rosengardner >> Kingsley Suamataia
Afraid there's no inside joke. We like Kingsley more than consensus. What it would cost to trade up for him was too steep and we pivoted to Patrick Paul (who is as much of a project if not more in terms of run blocking). To your point, Kingsley's 2022 tape was better overall compared to the 2023 tape, particularly in the run game. It took him time to get comfortable switching from right tackle to left tackle and it exacerbated his inconsistency with hand placement and lunging which adversely impacted his run blocking. Think schematically all of the RPO didn't do him any favors either. But the tools are there, the play strength is there and the mentality is there. He turned 21 in January, still green. A move back to right tackle and quality coaching is the panacea (grip strength, processing/finding work). Took to coaching, made corrections and took some incremental steps real-time in Mobile. Would rather focus on cleaning up those deficiencies in the run game than not have the foundation he already has in pass pro and the overall upside he possesses. As for Rosengarten, he's grown on us. Good athleticism. Scheme specific, a much better fit in a zone scheme to leverage that athleticism. Washington moved to more of a gap scheme in 2023 and he didn't fair all that well in the run game. He's a little ore polished and better coached than Kingsley. But doesn't have the raw power profile which lowers his ceiling a bit. You could argue the latter would be a better Day 1 starter but we believe the former will be the better player in the long run.
@@cpgmNFLDraft I think the Kingsley athletism is overblown, he had what a 24 inch vertical? Shows a lack of explosion, a lack of anchor and drive, which makes me believe it's a huge long shot that he will ever develop into a good run blocker. I'm sure some modern offense leaning teams may find value in his skill set and be ok with him being a "serviceable" run blocker at best. In Pittsburgh, with the Arthur Smith outside zone scheme, at RT, being a "serviceable" run blocker isn't going to cut it. I don't knock Kingsley as a prospect, or your inflation of him, more so your pairing of his talents, in the Artie Smith system in Pittsburgh, just won't work IMHO, Rosengardner, Christian Jones both more scheme fitting Tackles won't cost you nearly as much and are less of a risk as Kingsley, again in the Steelers system. Though I have a feeling Rosengardner will end up being a mid 2 to early 3, much higher than he is projected... As for center... Have you watched Charles Turner III LSU? I think he's better than Bortolini, I also think The PSU guy is as well.
@@cpgmNFLDraft good luck with that. LSU all 22 was a BITCH for me. The SEC is being really stingy about it... I got some games off a DVR and got limited looks before the SR Bowl, and got like 2 games of all 22 recorded with a cell phone from a TV, lol... Im lost on how he's looked at a mid 6 to UDFA... Definitely a drop off from Powers Johnson, Frazier and Barton. But I think he's on the Van Pran level.
