For those wondering why these cars were banned: Toyota GT Four: Hidden elastic washers could bypass the restrictor plate(One of the cleverest "cheating" methods in WRC ). Brabhan BT46B: Used a fan to create down force, considered a moving aerodynamic part. Chaparral 2E: High strut mounted wings were outlawed in all forms of motorsport due to safety. Chaparral 2J : Used a fan to create down force, considered a moving aerodynamic part. Lotus 56: Used a turbine engine that were later banned. Chevy "TRex" : Just too fast for NASCAR, as per Hendrick racing the rule books were changed after it qualified inspection specifically to ban this car. Superbird: Concerns by NASCAR that aero cars are becoming too fast and are therefore unsafe, the car was also heavily modified and was considered to be too different from stock for stock car racing. Lotus 88: Twin Chassis design to take advantage of ground effect, twin tubs were considered as moving aerodynamic devices
At least the 2J I know of. The 2J basically sucks itself to the ground with fans, it creates a ton of downforce pulling itself to the ground. Those flaps on the side help create a vacuum seal. When it competed in Can-Am series in the 70s it outpaced every single car by a couple of seconds, though the fans failed often so it wasn't even that good. Eventually other manufacturers complained to the SCCA and they ended up banning that kind of technology.
Just for anyone curious: Toyota Celica GT-Four: got banned because they got caught cheating with a turbo that was made to look like it's legal but it wasn't. Brabham BT46B: Technically first it got withdrew, then it got banned. It was a second faster than any car,and the fan was dangerous. Chaparral 2E: Got banned for the wing because it was an active aerodynamic part and it wasn't allowed. Chaparral 2J: Got banned for the fan because it was an active aerodynamic part and it wasn't allowed. Lotus 56: The turbo version was banned because it was very fast. Chevy T-Rex: Banned because...it would have won every race? Superbird: Banned for safety reasons and because it did not look like a stock car. Lotus 88: That, and ground effect cars in general were banned because they were dangerously quick.
@@fearofducks6519 technically the Brabham fan wasn’t dangerous at all. Gordon Murray even said the fans speed was only 55MPH and anything that hit it would be shot out sideways. Andretti complained about it as an excuse to make it banned quickly.
Celica GTFour : Had a secret air intake for the turbo to bypass the air restrictor Brabham "fan car" : had a turbine linked to the "classic" engine to stick the car to the ground with forced ground effect 2E : was the first active wings racecar 2J : same as the brabham, turbine fan to stick the car to the ground Lotus 56 : well, too good for other cars, had to be heavy BoPed Lotus 88 : double chassis, one fixed with the engine, and the other sticking the car to the ground (due to "ground effect") with the speed. Resume : Colin Chapman was a god.
The tricky thing with the BT46B is that it requires a different driving style to get the most out of it - as the fan drive was attached to the crankshaft, you wanted to enter a corner at max revs for the best suction, rather than at lower revs so you can drive yourself out of the corner.
Sounds similar to the Red Bull in F1 when it had the blown diffuser, higher revs meant faster cornering speeds. Vettel got the hang of it but must have been strange to drive.
@@RottenWeeblet No turbos on this car - remember, this car was from '78. Renault had barely started playing with turbos (unreliably) the year before, and many teams would be sticking with the tried-and-true formula of V8, V12 or flat 12 for some years yet. The Brabham BT40B used an Alfa Romeo 3.0 flat 12. But because the fan was driven directly off the engine, the greatest suction was found at redline, so that's the revs at which you _entered_ a corner, instead of dropping the revs so you could accelerate through the corner a bit before having to shift up. It required a rather different driving style to normal F1 cars of the period, but history shows that it was surprisingly effective.
They weren't banned from FoS, it's cars that were banned from their respective racing series T-Rex cause and I quote "it's easier to kill Frankenstein's monster than it is to get along with it"
The Superbird didn’t really get banned, it had a engine displacement restriction of only 305 cubic inch (vs the 426 Hemi). This applied to the other “aero cars” , Dodge Charger 500, Dodge Charger Daytona, Ford Torino Talladega, and the Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II. Only one team fielded a aero car for the 1971 Daytona 500 using the 305 power plant, the Mario Rossi owned #22 Dodge Daytona driven by Richard Brooks. The 305 cubic inch engine was built by legendary Mopar engine builder Keith Black. The car qualified 8th and led a handful of laps before getting damaged in an altercation, but it still finished 7th overall. So the car could still be run, but it just had to use a smaller engine. It would have been nice to have some info about each car and why it was banned.
Wrong Celica, it was later ST205, which was banned (or, actually the cheater turbo was banned, ST205 rallied later with legal turbo), not the ST185 presented here.
You omitted Michael May's winged Porsche 550, banned at Nurburgring in 1956 because the Porsche team was humiliated that it was faster in practice than the factory cars. This was more than a decade before Jim Hall slapped a big wing onto a Chaparral 2.
I suspect because you need to see why it was banned - over 100 mph the body is pushed down by the air, independent of the suspension and creates a seal with the track and hence more downforce. Chapman’s cars were awesome. We hear what Gordon Murray and Adrian Newey have done, and that’s right and proper but we lost Chapman way too early and I fear he’s getting relegated or forgotten.
@@landhopper4296 The most influential designer for about 25 years was Dr Harvey Postlethwaite. The high nose / splitter plate combination came from one of his Tyrrells and is still with us. It will change with the reintroduction of wing cars next year but that idea made flat bottom cars work aerodynamically.
That is not the model of GT-FOUR that was banned. In fact, the car itself was never banned, only the Toyota works team who were caught with an illegal turbo restrictor.
Fun fact: The Brabham was never actually banned. Ecclestone was Co-Owner of Brabham and officially retired the car becsuse it didn't make for good sport before they changed the rules (which the csr met at that point
@Werner Moser. Bernie Ecclestone owned the Brabham team, he bought the team to become a team owner, who as such could encourage the other independent English-based constrictors to join together as the Grand Prix owners association, and as a body, influence the commercial side of FIA to give a better share of the television right to the teams rather than the giants like Ferrari and Renault, in order to keep the teams on-side. he abandoned the fan car, and gained financial control of all F1 right, and that made him a multi-billionaire.
The cars themselves aren't banned from Goodwood, but have been banned from Motorsports for various reasons. If you, like me, get tripped up over certain wording arrangements.
If you have any interest in any form of motorsport, 2 wheels, 4 wheels or even more its like mecca. I did 3 days and still only saw 1/2 of what was going on.
The title of the video is misleading. These cars were not banned from Goodwood, but banned from their respective racing series. For example, the BT46B was banned from F1 back in like '79, but not banned from participating at Goodwood. I made the same mistake when first reading the title.
Uh, sorry boys......Kyle Busch past the 200 wins mark back in March of 2019. He's up to 219 victories in the NASCAR National series and counting. So the next "bloke" behind Kyle Busch is Richard Petty. So let's get that right, shall we?
Celica gt4 st205 banned(just the toyota team europe got banned) because the turbo restrictor.Its said cheats but it's not just too innovative making the car more boost with bypass the restrictor.Cmiiw
I think the title is tricking some people but these are cars that have been banned from their racing series not actual Goodwood. At least that’s what I’m guessing
Definitely thought the cars were banned from Goodwood. Then watching all the cars I’m like everyone of these cars got banned at some point... then I went “oh...”
All right so there's an interesting story behind the T-Rex after looking it up. Ray Evernham applied a lot of short track knowledge to that car that was technically inside the rule books. He removed a lot of unsprung weight from components like having hollow axles, titanium hubs and an aluminum driveshaft. He moved the shocks outboard and raised the frame rails to allow for a Venturi effect under the car. It was a full second faster than the entire field throughout the only race it ever ran.
Toyota Celica GT-Four: -Banned for illegal turbo restrictor- Not banned. Team was disqualified for using turbo restrictor to cheat in a later GT-Four Brabham BT46: -Banned for fan being a moveable aerodynamic device- Banned for being too good Chaparral 2E: Banned for wing strut failures being unsafe Chaparral 2J Banned for sliding skirts being moveable aerodynamic devices Lotus 56: Banned for using turbine engine Chevrolet Hendrick T-Rex: Banned for being too good Plymouth Superbird: Banned for dangerously high top speeds Lotus 88: Banned for side skirts being moveable aerodynamic devices
The Toyota wasn’t banned either, the team (Toyota Team Europe) was banned not the car, and it wasn’t even that model involved in the controversy. The cars continued to compete under Toyota Team Sweden and others, but with legal turbos fitted.
Also your edit for the Brabham is wrong. It was not withdrawn before competition. It won the first and only race it contested and there was no issue with cooling.
Wrong Celica at the start, the ST185 was not banned. The ST205 was banned from WRC after engineers created a genius bypass of the restrictor on the intake of the turbo, thus making more boost and power.
@@GoodwoodRR then perhaps footage of said final version should have been used. The title says banned cars and the first car featured was one that wasn't banned. Pretty poor job really.
Why wouldn’t it? It’s not the car Jeff blew up after he crossed the line. It was the motor he dropped the clutch to blow going into 1. The only thing special about that car went up in smoke when the checkered flew.
@@Dalegot07 I don't believe he blew the engine it even passed post race inspection but was so dominant that they changed rules specifically to make the t-rex cars setup illegal after that race if I remember the story correctly they even ran the chassis one time after and it didn't do too well so they retired it
The TREX was banned for the simple reason the car used underbody aero tricks to get the car sucked down to the tarmac along with other tricks of the trade like hollow axle tubes and the floorpan was raised to get the chassis closer to the ground the shocks were outboard of the axle. Even the drivetrain components were lightened. Interesting fact is none of the Hendrick Teams couldn't get it to work then they decided to throw a different spring package at it in Charlotte it ended up a second quicker than any other Hendrick chassis during testing. Jeff won the race pocketed the $1,000,000 purse it passed tech and then Bill France made the call to ban the car and rewrote the rules to make sure it wouldn't ever compete again.
@@robertrotz4717 that was Micheal Waltrip and Junior Johnson in the Winston Open. JJ had made a bad fast car, with even a badder motor. Which cost him a fortune. After starting towards the rear of the field and came up during the event. The moment it crossed the line, the engine blew up. But to all Nascars knowledge, it was within regulation. (VERY SHORT VERSION)
00:14 Toyota Celica GT-Four (cheating) 01:25 Brabham BT46B “fan car” (active vacuum to stick car down) 02:10 Chaparral 2E "Active suspension" "2:51 Chaparral 2J "even better active suspension 03:37 Lotus 56 "Turbine power" 04:35 Chevrolet Hendrick “T-Rex” "Everham built the car "to the book" but found a few points (front bumper) that made the car dominate. 06:19 Plymouth Superbird "Banned with other aero cars as speeds were getting too fast.. big motors also axed.. 07:44 Lotus 88 "Active aeros that let the car dominate.. **note to self, if your car kills? just win by a little bit, not 20 minutes ahead..
2J was for active aero and there was then a complete ban of all active aero for can am, meaning Nissan had to redesign their wing. 88 was primarily for trying to use two chassis to try and get the recently banned skirts back in use, but the suspension was partially involved
So imagine this setup. A Superbird wing on a 2J wing on a Ford Tyrell 6 wheeler chassis (not featured here, but banned non the less), top it off with some none restricted turbos and a oversized V8. You can finish the rest of the build if you please :)
@@jonbeargenx I'm not that knowledgeable about the banned cars but that setup must be angelic. Just imagine how fast it would be with a modern technology touch added to it 😳
The Brabham 46B wasn't, per se, banned. It was voluntarily withdrawn after only one race, but FIA had ruled that it would be allowed to race the entire season. Bernie Ecclestone didn't want to risk his F1-political aspirations, though, and had it removed.
The Brabham BT46B was never banned. Bernie Ecclestone withdrew it voluntarily to prevent a split inside the nascent Formula One Constructors Association.
Yes it was, or so says wiki : "According to Ecclestone's biographer Terry Lovell, the heads of the other FOCA teams, led by Colin Chapman threatened to withdraw their support for Ecclestone unless he withdrew the BT46B. Ecclestone negotiated a deal within FOCA whereby the car would have continued for another three races before Brabham would voluntarily withdraw it.[21] However, the Commission Sportive Internationale intervened to declare that henceforth fan cars would not be allowed and the car never raced again in Formula One."
What year was Petty in his Superbird at Goodwood? One of my strongest childhood motor-head memories was seeing that combo racing on ‘ABC’s Wide World of Sports’ - 200mph in 1970!
If there were a racing car whose performance came from its ability to mess with electronic timing systems or being as wide as the track, that probably wouldn’t be allowed in.
T-Rex wasn't technically "banned" since it was within the NASCAR Winston Cup Series rulebook... they just told Rick Hendrick, Ray Evernham and Jeff Gordon to not bring it back
That odd black thing on the back of the Chaparral 2J was the cover for the fan belts and was called the Martian Bra. Another odd car from the 1970 Can-Am series was the Shadow, which was a small car with 10 and 12 inch wheels, and the radiators buried in a large rear wing to decrease the frontal area of the car. This was also quickly banned. That was the year Bruce McLaren died in an accident testing the M8D Can-Am car at Goodwood.
I saw the Chaparral 2F "2E with a roof basically" in the BAOC 500 sportscar race at Brands Hatch in the 60's.also the Lotus Gas Turbine car in either a GP or the Race of Champions. I seem to remember the 2F did quite well. 2J is the world's fastest Dyson.
Reminds me of when Ferrari attempted to enter touring car races with the 250LM - Maranello bolted a box on the back, thus giving the car the requisite 'boot'! Needless to say, even the FIA thought it was a step too far LOL!
The 56B was entered in both. It was on course for a storm up the field in wet weather at Zandvoort due to the AWD but the driver overcooked it and spun off.
As a Yank, I was embarrassed that It (literally) had to stink up an otherwise interesting lineup. NASCAR is acceptable when you're an adolescent and watching it on TV whilst flicking through the channels, but it's pretty boring after that point.
4:40 I love this gesture, "IMMORTAN! IMMORTAN JOE!" And in frenzied tribute he takes off his own steering wheel and holds it high for his god to see. So freaking cool.
Story of the Plymouth Superbird: Chrysler Corporation had a defense division that built missiles for the US Army. The top brass in the company was wondering why that, despite the best engines in NASCAR, the racers who raced Mopar products kept coming in dead last. Someone in the boardroom pointed out that there were rocket scientists who worked for Chrysler. So the missile engineers were called in, who pointed out the aerodynamic flaws of Chrysler's "sport" coupes. The lead aerodynamicist pointed out some aerodynamic changes that would cut down the aerodynamic drag of the vehicle significant enough to greatly improve the top speed of the vehicle on the new superspeedways, where Chrysler was getting killed by the competition. It also improved the theoretical top speed, to a point where aerodynamic lift would raise the car off the ground, so a spoiler wing would be needed. NASCAR homologation rules required that a certain number of the model be offered for sale to the general public. The weight of the spoiler was too great and the size was too wide to allow the trunk ("boot") to open, so marketing demanded a fix. Thats how the rear wing came about 😉
Brabham and second Chaparall: because they had fans, who sucked them to the ground. First Chaparall: Active aerodynamic unit. T-Rex: Because it was too fast (afaik, it was perfectly built acording to the regulatory, but simply made all the other cars look bad) Plymouth: Short answer: It was too old. Longer answer: despite still being competitive, it didn't meet safety standards anymore, and due to new sales regulations (back then, they needed to produce and sell a certain amount of Stock cars), it was over Lotus 56: Gas turbine and AWD
