Can you please please please test how it handles not only different Colors, but also how it handles different Materials? Like a transition from PLA, to dissolvable Support. Or Nylon, to TPU. besides that, thank you so much for covering this, I was allready hyped for the pallet 1, to see how it evolves is stunning!
I suppose that the best way to achieve dissolvable supports support is use multi nozzle hotend (e3d chimera, etc...), where separated nozzle is used with Pallete processed filament (PLA I think) and the second one is just for dissolvable one (PVA or others)
Print in place Rubick's Cube would use 7 colors (6 for the faces plus another one for the body), you can surely find a way to add another one, maybe a logo on one of the squares like the original one
I feel like if you use a palette it should be encouraged to take those transition blocks and find a way to reuse them... Perhaps a fun thing for them to code could be that when you print with multi colors instead of a useless block it has the ability to make a useful print instead of a block of filament.
I believe with the prusa Multi Material Upgrade (MMU) it has the option to purge in a different model. Maybe in a functional part thats out of sight anyway.
@@HappyAchterhooker It could be an Easter egg of sorts. A "feature" to be turned off and on. I know I print a bunch of stuff that would be awesome multicolor, but I also print door stoppers that color doesn't matter because they get broken or lost at the office. Im not trying to be an eco warrior, but my first thought was ugh what a waste of material... The purge block is almost the same size as the rainbow....
@@Mikowmer I thought I remembered a video somewhere that demo'd a product that allowed reuse of filament, it had to be ground up and than it melted it into filament again...
@@jhbryaniv Yeah. The pellets created by this device are small enough that it doesn't need to be ground up again. I'm considering implementing it on a printer I'm building at the moment.
Less multicolour more crazy multimaterial maybe something with flex(tpu or simular), petg, abs, poly carb, pla, nylon, (maybe a maybe filled pla with wood or carbon) and PVA supports?
The problem with that is the materials don't typically splice well together. For example pla will never stick to tpu which is why in a IDEX printer pla works damn good for support material on tpu prints but in this type of machine I imagine you would never be able to achieve a perfect splice.
It would be better if you use white filament and could inject pigment into the heatblock to mix a colour on demand :) Like inkjet cartridges for printers!
Rather a translucante than ad white pigment to it. If the filament is translucent all the pigmetn is vissble after its melted and it get a much better result.
@@matsv201 Yeah suspect translucent would be better, but may cost more to produce. Only a thought no idea how it would work in practice! Would probably need some sort of fine powder pigment and feed through an auger but may not be remotely possible
I think XYZWare did something like that, but personally I don't support them because they're trying to bring the traditional printer business model into 3D printing. I.E. sell the printer at a loss but lock your customers into your proprietary parts and (microchipped cartridges of) filament.
I think a print-in-place Rubik's Cube would be perfect for this! Other than that, I think this technology allows you to save on your expensive filaments by using cheaper filaments on the inside for structural support and the fancy filaments for the exterior!
@@corellian6522 Eh it's like since you can have more than 2 colors so why not do it kind of thing. But yeah, it probably would not save that much, but is sort of useful I suppose if you don't have much of a filament but for some reason have a lot of another
@@corellian6522 You don't buy it solely to save on cost, of course. But in my country, some filaments can cost almost double of the cheaper stuffs. It is just something extra you can do while the main purpose is to print in multi colour
Personally I've never felt the need for multi color prints. I still love the tech and try to keep current. I was under the impression that one of the main benefits to the Pallet was that the splicing eliminated the need for transition towers?
REALLY impressed with the engineering on this. So elegant and simple compared to previous models. I've been dreaming of owning one of these machines for years.... Someday I'll be able to afford one. 😕
@@hunterg312 the mmu2 is cheaper and it works well once you get it tuned. (Took me about a week of fiddling) The pallet is much easier to use out of the box and is generally more reliable. Prusa support has been great with what little help I've needed. And considering all of the stories I've heard about jams and feeding issues, I've had very few after the initial sensor calibration despite my less than ideal setup. I'll probably be picking up a pallette 3 for my other (non prusa) printer
I think the one thing mosaic should develop is a filament that helps purge the previous color more easily. Kind of like cleaning filaments. That way the purge/transition block isn't so wasteful.
yeah actually I don't want to waste plastic. I always see 3d printing as a non very ecological way to work, I hate to 3d print useless minis but if I lose 50% of the material… what a waste.
Ive always thought one of the most exciting aspects of the pallet is printing multi material something that is both ridged and flexible or that has dissolvable supports or both! How about a epic dragon in multicolor with flexible/leathery wings out spread?
In all fairness the 3's are alot more expensive if memory serves me well. The 2's were retailing for around 400? These are retailing at 699 (799 once it goes off of presale)
I knew I could count on this channel to see what this thing is all about - im new to 3D printing and your newest subscriber. Thank you for the killer content Joel, now stop making me want to spend money! 🤣
Id like to see you weigh the part printed versus the transition tower to see how much material is wasted. Looks like they have reduced its mass quite a bit though with the support looking parts of it.
Unfortunately, they can't do much to reduce how much material you need to purge beyond making the transition point more accurate, it's the properties of your nozzle and filament that determine how much you need to purge to avoid color mixing.
@@MalikDrako I wonder if introducing a cleaning filament would purge the nozzle quicker. Do like 5 mm of cleaning stuff then the new color versus whatever the normal buffer size is on the purge block. I wonder if this would help with the whites not having bleed over as well.
@@MrMadeinthe80s The waste block needs to be at the same height as the main print, I would guess that the support looking areas is it saving on material to maintain the height when there is not a color change; so yes, exactly what you say. The Prusa MMU's amount of waste is partially why I stopped using it.
@@RogueProeliator yeah I have a palette 2 myself. I just wondered if they built in one of the filaments to be a cleaning filament instead of just purging for awhile until the next color is fully out if it would work quicker to clear the previous color out of the way and make way for the next. A buffer between colors so to speak. You'll always have to use the purge block I just wondered if this would reduce it further or work at all. They make cleaning filament to clear clogs and it also seems to remove any excess of whats currently in the hotend.
When he mentioned using different materials my first thought went to how does the printer handle the different temperatures for different filaments... I print mainly pla with a smattering of abs and Asa tossed in. Even just the pla from different brands prints at different temperatures... Yes, they all print with in the same range, but Amazon basic filament is very oozy if I print it where matter hackers pla prints really well...
@@jhbryaniv temp changes can be done in gcode but I have no idea if there's software for this right now. Like @Mikowmer said the main issue would be different materials bonding to each other. Using PP with anything else might be quite hard.
I'd love to see a multi material print using the palette 3. It would be fun to see how Joel tackles the differences in temp, adhesion and other properties of a multimaterial print.
Very cool! I guess the next step is to go back down to 6 filaments but somehow blend them in the machine. Imagen having cyan magenta yellow white and black filaments and being able to mix them in any combination for hundreds of thousands of different colours.
It's like going from monochrome printers in the 80's to full colour... I knew it was only a matter of time.. Love it.. Soon, printers will have this built-in..
Me initialy : $800!!!! Nooo way! I own a paint brush thank you. Me after seeing the rainbow: only $700? I don't need car insurance right? This is an investment!
Besides the multi-color aspect of the Palette, don't forget the incredible value of being able to feed it the last few meters from lots of different spools that might otherwise go in the trash. Also, for the giant models that may eat more plastic than your 1kg spool can offer, loading multiple channels of the Palette with identical spools, means not having to stop for a filament change mid-print. @Joel - you should commission a supersized Palette for the monster lurking in the garage that is the Workbench Pro.
Your excitement is addictive! The Mosaic systems have always been a very attractive option. I've enjoyed your interviews and examples with the company. Thank you Could you print something that doesn't use a transition block? Or if not challenge to see how small of a transition block you could make with a print, say for instance mini Joel. Thank you for all the great content! I'm always learning.
Thanks for the tip! Just put in my order ... it seems a lot longer 'til September now than it did moments ago. My need for instant gratification is going to be sorely tested. I want it now! Keep up the awesome work, Joel!
Would love to see you test it with dissolvable supports on a multi color print and maybe flexible with some non flexible in the sane print. It is so crazy to think this is what came from that Toronto trip. I remember how crazy that experiment was! Also, that rainbow transition tower is entirely too pretty!
@@Fly_High_FPV oofff, good to know. I like jam on my biscuits, jam in my jazz but not such a fan of jam on my filaments. Actual filament jams and fruit jams respectively. Although I am not sure why I would have jam on my filament....
Is this only about color? Or can you splice different materials together as well? It's like to see PETG combined with some TPU (similar to the overmolding seen on lots of powertools).
You can tell it's too early in the morning...the first thing I thought about when I saw this was, "yeah, try making an adapter to attach it to the hotend" 🤪
@@Shellcool I was saying those two types of fans of very popular sports teams disagree about people disliking those colors because their colors are yellow and purple
Finally you can print a case with transparent windows in one go and no annoying process to leave an empty space print the window and install it manually.
The Palette 3 is their best model yet, and I will definitely be getting one. I still believe, however, Mosaic have the capability to make a full-colour, multi-material extruder. This might require greater partnership with an extruder manufacturer (such as E3D or Bondtech) to "mix" rather than splice them together, but it is something consumer 3D printer users want most.
Joel, this is fantastic! While watching this video, I had the idea of making colored lithophanes! Since you are the only person in the world with these, it’s up to you to make it happen! I’d love to see if this idea works or not!
Wow, that is really, really cool! I wish there was a way to avoid soooo much waste with that transition tower. I get it, it'll be impossible to not have ANY waste, but imagine this: An add-on optical sensor that you can attach to your printer that will tell the Palette when the colors have officially transitioned. Or is it that the "length" of the transition tower is determined by the slicing software? Basically you tell it how much transition to spit out? Not sure if I completely understand that whole process. You should totally do a video on how this whole process is made and set up.
That new filament path looks like a HUGE improvement over the Palette 2. There’s nothing about the 3 that makes for a compelling upgrade for me but this is absolutely a better starting point for new users.
An idea to save on wasted pla. Instead of it pushing all of one color, using it, then pushing out whats in the tube as waste while it loads another color, have it calculate how much it would use and cut to length. So ideally you would see a rainbow inside the machine as it cuts the length and adds new colors pushing it through. You could still have a small transition period but it would be much smaller than what is displayed here.
Besides the different materials test others mentioned, I’d like to see a full setup to finish for this device. Basically setup with your printer, go through the motions for setting up a print all the way up to finished product. Basically an in-depth tutorial.
@3D Printing Nerd print a Hilbert Curve where you use 4 colors if it is going clockwise from the last line segment in the curve and 4 colors if going counterclockwise, with the 4 colors being used 1 each for the cardinal directions. In the interest of efficiency of waste towers, this only needs to be on the outer surface.
@@saritshull3909 if you can get past the jamming, the bigger issue was there's no way to calibrate the esteps in the palette 2s pro (other than the calibration routine), so it always over extruded TPU which makes timing impossible (even after spending more $$$ on a Canvas Hub) ..probably fine for PLA, but struggle bus for TPU
you said softer materials... defintely would be curious to see if it can print ninjaflex, or even semi-flex... like can you print a toy car's tire+wheel in one shot? tire in normal TPU and wheel in PLA?
just ordered the MMU2 from Prusa a couple weeks ago and I was flipping back and forth on the pallet2 or MMU. finally decided I wasnt fully onboard with the system that fused material and relied on timing to get them in the right sequence and in sync with the print job. How much did I overthink this? You would really impress me, by not printing different colors with similar properties, but by printing different materials, PLA, TPU, PETG and soluble material into a single print. given the different properties and temperatures, I would be interested in seeing the outcome and print quality.
Hey Joel, For us tabletop nerds I think it would be really cool if you made a little playset, I was thinking of maybe a dragon with eyes/teeth/tongue/wings in different colours and I would also specifically like to see a medieval style builing with white-ish walls and black wooden bars going through, shingles, maybe a trnaslucent material for the windows etc. If you want it to be less D&D you could print a little farm with different animals? I'm specifically asking for myself as a DM, the amount of time I have to put into it just to have 3-4 colours of paint on all the miniatures (monsters, environment etc) for stuff on the tabnle is pretty insane, a palette would be able to help a lot
Would be nice to see how the spools are set up to feed the Pallet. Now hook up 8 rolls of the same color to have unattended printing on either the CR-30 or the big printer in the garage. This could be a huge help for print farms.
You mentioned multi-material prints but didn't elaborate. I'd like to see that tested because I would think there would be hot end temperature differences and maybe even material adhesion differences (different materials might not stick to eachother) that could effect final print quality.
Love the concept and can't wait to see what people start to make with these when they get out into the world. Would love to see some sort of Maker's Muse & 3DPN colab for a color torture test. Something 8 color crazy and beautiful.
Great video Joel and Sean (loved the added explosions ATHF style!). The idea of spending more on a thing to add to a 3D printer than the printer itself cost is probably difficult for a lot of people to deal with. Though, if anyone is using a printer that cost less than the Palette 3 pro, they can be sure that the palette is of higher quality than their printer. Looks like they put a ton of work into the new improvements. Really looking forward to see what you make with this. Maybe you can get the Chaos Core Tech folks to make you a character designed to work with 8 colors. High-5!
