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800HP 5L V8 Sauber/Mercedes C9 | 24 Hours of Le Mans Champion [TECH TOUR] 

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800HP M119 5L V8 turbocharged Group C endurance racing champion.
What goes into a 400kph/248mph Le Mans 24 Hour endurance race winner and how do you keep such a car period correct, but also track fit? The Group C Sauber chassis and Mercedes-Benz ‘M119’ powered C9 managed the first win at the 1989 Le Mans 24 hours for Mercedes since 1952 with a 1-2-5 finish, and also wins at all but one race during the entire 89 World Sportscar Championship. If that doesn’t impress you, then we’re not sure we can be friends anymore...
At the Goodwood Festival of Speed, David Rowe of EPS Motorsport was kind enough to give us a run-down on some of the electronics and mechanical changes that have been made, including the edition of a MoTeC M800 ECU that is hidden inside an original style housing of the old Bosch ECU to keep the period-correct look while allowing the car to have modern safety parameters monitored in order to keep the essentially irreplaceable block intact but usable.
Along with the ECU this motorsport edition M119 V8 package has had the engine internals updated along with the injectors, however, the loom has been rebuilt to period spec with even the connectors used being from the same era plus fuses and relays are retained rather than being replaced by a PDM. A MoTeC L120 logger, CDI unit and MDD display have also been added to help with the performance of not just the car but also the drivers.
The boost control solenoid placement is not ideal by modern standards, however given the value and historic nature of the car David is not worried about a reduced torque hit (700 ft-lb) when the driver hits the noise pedal as while the original wastegates and KKK turbochargers look like the originals, just like the ECU internally they have been modernized internally in order to give the team more options for servicing and replacement, potentially along with a bigger service window.
Lastly we also touch on the twin injector setup that has been retained despite having modern injectors on hand, and why teams in that era ran two small injectors rather than one large one to begin with. Due to the quality of the Sunoco Race Fuel fuel used and the fact the engine is running at a comfortable sport rather than at the limit, knock is not a concern for David (who also tunes this car) and knock control strategies are therefore not required.
We’re happy to report that we saw David again after his run up the hill and love his saying ‘Wiring in a race car can only ever lose you races, never win you races.’
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Комментарии : 82   
@F-Man
@F-Man 5 лет назад
These technical talks are *phenomenal!* This is what modern motorsports governing bodies don’t understand - we fans *absolutely salivate* when we get to hear about electronics and such.
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Yes although the governing bodies might well understand this, it's the teams that probably don't want to share too much on their current setups ;) - Taz.
@Heldermaior
@Heldermaior 5 лет назад
Yes! So what happened to the 1 hour review of the Sauber C9 in Assetto Corsa? ^^
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Good to see you guys with your notifications turned on here nice and early! Hope you enjoy this one.
@ConnorLug
@ConnorLug 5 лет назад
Loving this series guys, the F1 stuff and le mans content is amazing
@Deftonesdsm
@Deftonesdsm 5 лет назад
Yup loving these oddball race cars and their tech. Just wish i could see engines pulled apart
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
@Deftones we have a bit of that coming up too from this trip - Taz. gph.is/16CXEJj
@DahkaShades
@DahkaShades 5 лет назад
Love this. I've never heard of water cooling through the intake manifold, impressive innovation🤓😵
@iPROFITDON
@iPROFITDON 5 лет назад
This thing has been my favorite Group C car since I was a child! So happy to get an in-depth look at this thing. Thank you so much!
@mikealbrailsford5438
@mikealbrailsford5438 5 лет назад
Crazy how much more modern turbochargers and wastegates have changed over the years
@frazk2427
@frazk2427 4 года назад
THIS is what a lot of us want to see. Nitty gritty details, close ups of engines, interiors, various bits of tech that make these cars special. Keep it up.
@mchristr
@mchristr 4 года назад
Having spent 20 years at Mercedes-Benz retailers I can attest to the quality engineering of the M119. We had very few problems with the engine and it only got better with the introduction of EFI.
@Maulzy23
@Maulzy23 5 лет назад
I would love to have worked at Mercedes in the 80's. Building big v10 diesel trucks, shoehorning v8's into normal cars, and building crazy turbo racecars. Must have been good times in Stuttgart.
@alvarokoteli8904
@alvarokoteli8904 4 года назад
this was a pure German engine, but when they returned to the F1 with Ilmor engine they disappointed us. complete British engineering cars and only the name Mercedes or not
@jaglemans6778
@jaglemans6778 4 года назад
Just discovered your channel. Really great stuff. The great thing about ‘historic’ sportscar racing right now is we’re seeing all the really exotic Group C and IMSA GTP cars finally hitting the track. XJR-14, 905, C11, C291, 767 etc. Also worth taking a look at the Endurance Masters series where the GT-ONE, Speed 8, R8, 908 etc. are running.
@brianbob7514
@brianbob7514 5 лет назад
Great interview, want more detail shots of that engine compartment :)
@PeterBjorck
@PeterBjorck 5 лет назад
I also would like more detailed shots of the engine during these interviews :)
@5887MXX
@5887MXX 4 года назад
Man I wish they still made sports cars like this. Incredible shapes and brutal engineering.
@RogerFrigola
@RogerFrigola 5 лет назад
Thanks very much for creating such high quality content! Love those detailed technical walkthroughs.
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Cheers Roger! - Taz.
@slasher9883
@slasher9883 5 лет назад
These videos are absolutely brilliant, keep up the great work.
@hupondio
@hupondio 5 лет назад
Awesome vid as always! That race car is a piece of Art
@Nicrobeeld
@Nicrobeeld 2 года назад
Great video, thanks!
@bwatt1383
@bwatt1383 5 лет назад
Thanks for your work! the best designed engines I've ever wondered about are now more understandable to me
@MrCatpants
@MrCatpants 5 лет назад
Great interviews! Smart, concise questions, well produced etc! And, as a film/TV location sound recordist for the past 30 years, I can't tell you how pleased I am that you take the sound component seriously!! Good work that man!!
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Thanks Andrew! People have a bit of a laugh at the somewhat comical microphone and cover (we call him Steve most days), but we''re willing to look a bit silly for the sake of good audio. On that front, this was actually the hardest event we've filmed at due to every F1 car starting once an hour to keep the temps up. Cheers for the kind words :) - Taz.
@sf2372
@sf2372 5 лет назад
Nails it once again....!!! love this stuff
@freddienz68
@freddienz68 5 лет назад
Great questions Andre 👍👍👍👍🔧🔧🏁
@bernardwarr4187
@bernardwarr4187 2 года назад
Great Video guy. This car is a Legend, especially with the M119 engine. I believe similar cars are running the Imor engine. If you get the change, do part 2 on the Engine detail. I think many people would appreciate that.
@tomgt007sugden
@tomgt007sugden 5 лет назад
Brilliant brilliant interview...
@mgbrv8
@mgbrv8 5 лет назад
I really enjoyed that thank you
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Cheers for the comment, glad we're hitting the mark for you mate and cheers for the support :) - Taz.
@fulltopmax1
@fulltopmax1 5 лет назад
by far my most favorite race car. i could write a whole litany on the chassis differences and the infamous 400 km/h run...but I digress - THANK YOU for this video.
@eedesign878
@eedesign878 4 года назад
Please do! :)
@fulltopmax1
@fulltopmax1 4 года назад
@@eedesign878 I'm thinking about doing a video about it, still have to find time for videos as I want to do them right, but, you're right I should share the "knowledge" haha
@thethirdman225
@thethirdman225 4 года назад
The 400 km/h run was probably the least important thing about the C9.
@hendrahendra
@hendrahendra 5 лет назад
This Sauber /Mercedes C9, Toyota TS020 (GT ONE) and the Nissan R92CP is def my favorite Group C Cars.
@MrElpajita
@MrElpajita 5 лет назад
Bah, 787B is their king.
@hendrahendra
@hendrahendra 5 лет назад
Damn ur right, I dont know how i forgot abt the legendary 787B.
@gammalight1312
@gammalight1312 5 лет назад
Holy smokes!
@austingriff5905
@austingriff5905 5 лет назад
Omg yes one of my favorite group C racers with a in-depth look! If you can tech tour one of the Nissan group C cars r89c etc I would be grateful if you ever get the opportunity
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Maybe next year. We didn't manage to get any more footage of it but Andre has been close to covering the R88 in the past - facebook.com/watch/?v=2145665848858857 - Taz.
@Generalusuer
@Generalusuer 5 лет назад
Me when I watch HP academy videos. 8:22
@orlandot3944
@orlandot3944 5 лет назад
What a fucking legend Andre, also the car is cool too haha.
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Chur!
@Deftonesdsm
@Deftonesdsm 5 лет назад
God i HAVE to go to goodwood FOS and at least watch the members meeting from a far away poor persons hill. Bucket list.... if only i could get the insight a popular Aussie (Kiwi sorry)youtuber could
@joelfager3839
@joelfager3839 5 лет назад
New Zealand not Aussie
@jase666ify
@jase666ify 5 лет назад
He's a kiwi.
@Deftonesdsm
@Deftonesdsm 5 лет назад
@@joelfager3839 welp fuck i fell for my american lack of accent knowledge again. Apologies to all the kiwi's out there. I shoulda known it did sound different than Aus accent slightly
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Thanks for the kind words, we're really lucky to get time with people like Dave at events like this. On that note if you haven't see it already he also peddles a pretty sweet Audi up Pikes Peak: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TOBm9-9ntpM.html No stress on the accent, it's a common mix up. Just don't call him Shirley - Taz.
@Deftonesdsm
@Deftonesdsm 5 лет назад
@@hpa101 haha right on. Keep the videos coming New Zealand Aussie or American no one does the oddball/detail vids like you do
@petermuller161
@petermuller161 5 лет назад
I love this nasty beast!!
@jerrysmith7166
@jerrysmith7166 2 года назад
The closest I'll ever get to this beautiful machine and that it is quite exquisite something about this era race cars has me fascinated well anyways I have a mini z (details are amazing) from kyosho in this exact paint scheme LOL
@dj4monie
@dj4monie 5 лет назад
I remember reading I believe it was Road & Track magazine about these cars. It is very little known fact that Michael Schumacher was a Benz Factory Junior driver during this era before found fame with the Benetton F1 team. Jochen Mass has been in the US several times and competed in the original IROC series before it went to an all NASCAR format and died.
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
You can see his name on the car in the background there ;) - Taz.
@fulltopmax1
@fulltopmax1 5 лет назад
@@hpa101 C11?
@Themayseffect
@Themayseffect 5 лет назад
See silver arrow= immediately like.
@DapperHesher
@DapperHesher 5 лет назад
Did you manage to take a look at the M291 in the later WSC car? I know it was a essentially a failure, but it was a super interesting engine with the downdrought intakes and whatnot.
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Hey there Ryan, not this trip. There were so many awesome cars there that we could probably spend a few weeks going through the pits and still miss out on so much. Maybe next year though, who knows :) - Taz.
@csonkaperdido
@csonkaperdido 4 года назад
Why does Andre sound funny to me? For instance he says "mare-cedes" and "noyne" instead of "nine" Is it because he's a kiwi? I'm American so I don't really know what to make of his accent. Sounds different than an Aussie though. Awesomely stuff though, I love this channel! And this car!
@hpa101
@hpa101 4 года назад
Curse of the Kiwi accent mate. We don't understand why it hasn't caught on 😂- Taz.
@SupraNaturalTT
@SupraNaturalTT 4 года назад
See noyien, noyien tee ouytee noyien see noyien😁
@_i-kr6eg
@_i-kr6eg 4 года назад
Gran tursimo anyone . This thing was a beast . Easy would do 450 km/h
@thethirdman225
@thethirdman225 4 года назад
Rubbish.
@scuffediceposeidon9178
@scuffediceposeidon9178 2 года назад
I drive the 510hp V8 4.0l engine in the c63 coupé. It feels kinda slow to be honest. It doesn't has that aggressive punch from 0 to 60 like the older 6.3l V8
@hpa101
@hpa101 2 года назад
Have you compared the torque curves? Could be interesting to see the difference - Taz.
@thepartypotatopooper6354
@thepartypotatopooper6354 5 лет назад
want to see the engine block structure
@robertstothart27
@robertstothart27 5 лет назад
Beautiful Car, I was hoping the interviewee was a bit more knowledgeable of the systems on board.
@ricebox1178
@ricebox1178 5 лет назад
Is it me or the C11 always seems to be over shadowed by it’s siblings (especially the C9)
@SimonWorlds
@SimonWorlds 5 лет назад
He doesn't understand how boost control works? Gee if you have to mitigate drivers resting feet on clutches, then they shouldn't be driving a car of this calibre IMO.
@hpa101
@hpa101 4 года назад
Even some F1 drivers rest their foot on the brake by accident. We might like to think we're all perfect 100% of the time at whatever we do, but we're not - Taz.
@distantanomaly9649
@distantanomaly9649 5 лет назад
I like all of the technical information but please mix that in with B-roll of the car.
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Trust that we get as much as we can. At events like Goodwood we are legally not allowed to film any track footage which doesn't help the cause, but a video with limited B-roll is better than no video at all I think you will agree =) - Taz.
@G55STEYR
@G55STEYR 4 года назад
I like it but show some details, and a start
@MrElpajita
@MrElpajita 5 лет назад
787B’s son.😅
@rafaellastracom6411
@rafaellastracom6411 5 лет назад
I was hoping to hear about how you get a 5 liter engine to spin to 11,500 rpm to generate 800 hp. Shame.
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
We will never be able to cover every topic in every interview for everyone sadly, so many exciting and interesting things to talk about - Taz.
@thethirdman225
@thethirdman225 4 года назад
Bit hard to do a video about something that didn't happen.
@andrewrcmadwilkinson6999
@andrewrcmadwilkinson6999 4 года назад
THIS CAR DID TO ITS RIVALS WHAT THE TIGER TANK DID TO ITS RIVALS COMPLETE ANNIHILATION!
@joshuawalcott321
@joshuawalcott321 5 лет назад
First
@hpa101
@hpa101 5 лет назад
Technically I bet you too the punch there, but keep trying, maybe next time ;) - Taz.
@Generalusuer
@Generalusuer 5 лет назад
Me when I watch HP academy videos. 8:22
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