This is why I found Indonesian disheartening. The grammar you outlined in the video looks so cool but I was told much of it is seen as very formal! For example, comparing your examples of "apakah dia setuju?" and "setujukah dia?", the fascinating thing is that if the "apa" isn't there in the left edge of the sentence to host the "kah", the verb seems to move to that position to host it instead. That's so elegant and clever and yet I can't get excited for long because when I was in Indonesia, native speakers would invariably tell me that this kind of thing was quite formal and I should mostly just use intonation, e.g. "Dia setuju?" with rising intonation. It's hard to get excited about something so ordinary as using rising intonation. I had similar experiences with other things that looked really cool in the books but native speakers said they were too formal for ordinary conversations. In your city, do people use these forms from your video in everyday conversation? Thanks for the nice videos!
Hi Martin, I understand how you feel. The informal version(s) used among native speakers are actually different on different places. Using just the intonation works among people in Java island, I suppose. But when we (I) speak with people from different islands, I would use the formal version. If you have the opportunity to meet enough number of Indonesians, you will notice that even among Indonesians from the same place, there are different level of formality of Indonesian language. At least what I notice is that the number of books they read affect significantly the formality of the language they speak. The more books they read, the more formal the language they speak because written languages are usually very formal. Two people who read significantly different numbers of books would speak different languages and they will notice the differences and will find it difficult to switch to the other person's language (because the language has been part of their flesh and blood). And funny enough, this becomes their 'barrier' to mix because both of them will feel uncomfortable and feel that they 'don't belong to the same group'. I suppose your Indonesian friend is trying to help you get into his 'group' and help you feel 'belong to'. So, depend on in which kind of environment you plan to use your Indonesian language, you can decide on how formal the Indonesian language you would like to internalize. I suggest that you learn the formal one first because it is more polite and then when you are among Indonesians who don't speak formal language, you can let them correct you. But always return to the formal one when you are away from those who understand only the less formal language. I happen to come from Minang culture (hence rather literally), an avid reader, currently working on my d*ct*rate, and have mostly worked in large organizations, hence formal Indonesian language is the language that I use daily. I recognize that sometimes I need to be less formal and I do that when I speak with people who need to be spoken less formal language. Lesson 24 may answer your question further about this.
@@learnbahasaindonesia3361 Thank you for your answer! I was indeed on Java! Maybe that was a Java thing, then! The people I met there were all quite well educated, though.
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Presentasi yang sangat baik - terima kasih! Just to clarify: There was confusion for me regarding the verb "cook" - menanak - but frantic searching revealed it's specific to cooking rice. Cooking anything else = memasak.🙏
