9-BALL: FEDOR GORST VS SHANE VAN BOENING - 2022 DERBY CITY CLASSIC 

I couldn’t agree more and I hope your comment gets 100,000 likes. 👍🏻

Also glad there isn’t a shoot out at the end.

Yep the purple 5 ball needs to be retired

No ugly, dull grey cloth either.

I do fancy a nice yellow 1, blue 2, red 3, purple 4, orange 5, green 6, maroon 7, black 8, and yellow striped 9.

Same with Shane. Shane has that humbleness about that that anyone would like. I like Gorst too. Not a fan of Filler though because he acts like an upset little kid when he loses.

Other than the constant breathing into the mic

Much appreciated!

@@exstessyy2361 that was for granny not you 🙄🤫😂

SANCTION RUSSIA FROM POOL

Glad you liked it!!

Wow, thanks!

Glad you enjoy it!

Agreed! Final score says it all. Difference of 2. Fedor's "non-compliant break" is the only reason Shane won this match. They were playing at least equally well IMO and Fedor's cue ball control and shot making skills are phenomenal. This is not a Shane vs Fedor debate. I really like both players. My argument is about the stupid break rule. It biases the outcome because it favors the hardest breaker BUT a rule should be unbiased or it is a terrible rule!!!!

Agreed... Next year they'll be giving out "participation trophies"

I think if it's break from the box, even with template, then the 3 point rule shouldn't be applied, but the break speed can be at the refs discretion to prevent soft breaking. However, it's it's break from anywhere, then 3 the point rule is fine. Breaking from the box requires a cut break, and with a slightly over cut on the one, the balls fonts spread as well

@@physicsguybrian Position on the 7 ball in the 15th rack, that might have costed him the match right there....

You will not see that rule at the 2022 International Open. 😀

Thank you very much!

It is almost like the once great accu-stats was playing catch-up smh

Thank you Gary!

Agreed! And it favors the power breakers like shane. The rule is stupid and I am willing to bet there was zero legitimate math/stats/physics analysis used to support the rule and/or determine the details of the rule. Why 3? What technical basis arrived at that gem of stupidness? Fedor hit a VERY hard break, made two balls, STILL non-compliant?!?!? WT actual F? The rule needs to go!!! I am a physicist and pool practitioner. The rule is nonsense, was clearly a "best guess" arbitrary attempt at a rule and it is biasing outcomes that favor hard breakers. Any rule that biases the game is a terrible rule!!! Idiocracy!!!

@@physicsguybrian absolutely agree. It cost Fedor the match.

​@@chrisolson3240 It is a stupid rule, but we can't say that it was the factor that "cost Fedor the match".... It happened to Shane too.

You will not see that rule at the 2022 International Open. 😀

I completely disagree the one ball is an easy pocket once you figure out the table and these guys are so good that they can make it to easy they are already shooting 95+ %.

No, those rules we have thanks to Corey Deuel's infamous soft breaks.

@@robdetuinman2 still doesn't accomplish what it's intended too. How many times did they break hard make 1 or 2 balls and still have an "illegal" break just because 1 or 2 balls didn't pass the head string? Garbage rules just ruining the sport.

@@ericjones745 Agreed, if they want to add something to the rules then just make it 3 balls past the center table line instead of the headstring.

Fedor is so young and already on SVB’s level. I can almost guarantee he will end up being the GOAT.

He actually hit a little heavy, only by a few millimeters, but that's all it took...

You learn more by watching other players than by playing. The only practice you can really do is making the balls. But everything else is all mind games. Creativity will always overcome the book answers. Learning how speed affects the movement of the cue ball is very important, way more important than how it affects the object ball. I had a pocket ball with the 8-ball sitting about 2 feet under it. We have timeouts in our league so I asked my captain what he wanted me to do. And he said top right so it would set up for a long shot but easily makable 8. I said okay. I put low left and ripped it, and it settled just below the 8 for the easiest shot ever. And he asked how i did that. And i told him physics. If you hit full enough on the object ball most of the momentum gets taken away from the cue ball. Then when it contacts the rail it will do what's it's supposed to if the speed is appropriate. Would i ever do that shot again, probably not, but it was a badass shot. I figured worst case scenario with the speed i hit, it would end up going three rail with an easy shot, but instead went 1 rail right behind the 8.

that rule is so stupid. it must be changed

Not really. He used to be the best but sinds a half year or so Joshua Filler passed him on FargoRate. A few points at first but now it's a whopping 7 points.

Shane won the world 9 ball last year , Shane is still ahead of filler when he’s at his high gear

(Sorry, new to Medical Ca____) The reason I brought up the above was that I think audiences like crushing, loud breaks, the chances of the 9 (in 9-ball) going in on the break, the drama of the break. Not to mention, powerful breaking is fun and part of the appeal of the sport. (In the Color of Money, Vincent's super loud break is what drew Newman's character over to him.) And I think due to social media, RU-vid in particular, many watch the pros and seek to emulate them. If the pros aren't breaking very forcefully, the masses might follow. But now less people want to play pool. (It's a theory.) Did this even make even a little sense? ........

@@shannonmcstormy5021 I understand and agree with your observations. Respect for opponents and or friends was taught to me a long long time ago. I was away from the game for tooooo long and recently picked up a cue and I’m in heaven. The interaction between opponents in billards is unique and should be as important as winning. Good memories. Good post.

compliant if any ball goes in

@@mrmichaelhallett The number of balls pocketed plus the number crossing the head string have to equal or exceed three.

The rules have changed

9 on the spot makes it harder to make a ball on the break consistently.

Yep the rules have changed over the years. Breaking from the box. So many balls past the headstring. THE PLAYERS VOTED for this. They get sick of the same patterns and the breaker dominating. They voted for this to make it more random.

There is a 3-point rule on the break. You get a point for each ball pocketed and a point for each ball that passes the head string. Score less than 3 and it's a non-compliant break. The opponent has the option of shooting or giving it back to the breaker.

The original breaker was Fedor so why can't he push??? If Shane were to accept the table then SHANE wouldn't be allowed to push. Why am I wrong?

I saw that too. It was foul but the ref didn't call it.

Fedor time fouls again when the score is 5-3! No penalty!

I'm just a new fan of the game and trying to understand the rules and that really caught my eye. The 3 point rule is strange at the least and unreasonable, really.

There is 2 (options) on racking in 9 ball (only). 1 ball on footstring or 9 ball on footstring. It's however the game is setup. The 9 ball on the footstring closes the box for the 1 ball in the side pockets or... Any ball on the 2 corner pockets on the footsring side. Hope this helps

As long as the player is "addressing" the cue ball, it is not a foul when the timer goes to 00. If the player gets off the shot or starts looking around, then it's a foul.

Doesn't bother me

They are both sponsored by cuetec. Shane plays with the white svb Dakota edition with a 5/6 inch extension full time. I believe gorst uses the ghost edition.

Svb is shooting with the ghost edition and gorst has the true wood walnut. Both cuetec cynergy

@@karsonricelli1492 Shane is still using his white cuetec. He says he's won too much with it so he sticks with whitey 😂

@@brendanvu1983 this is true, but he's using ghost in this match

His ferrule broke and got replaced by a black one.

Ref screwed up!

the person presiding this match is not a certified referee. They were acting as a tournament official.

9 ft

Cuetec cynergy svb ghost edition

It was.

The players voted and chose it. So hate on the players if you like. They wanted a new pattern.

But he didn't leave anything easy, that's what that means

@@robdetuinman2 yeah I understand and knew that just making an inference as to how funny it sounds

3-point rule

As long as you stay down and are "addressing the ball" at 00, it is legal. Good question. They don't want the buzzer going off while you're down on the shot.

@@capoman1 Makes sense to me! Thanks.

As long as the player is "addressing" the cue ball, it is not a foul when the timer goes to 00. No one has taken advantage of the obvious. If the player gets off the shot or starts looking around, then it's a foul.

@@AccuStats I understand the rule it’s stupid. Timer is a Timer. It goes to zero it should be a foul.

We always considered the rule that you prefer, but too often, we see a player rushing to a shot and shooting it when not ready. No player has taken advantage of staying down on the shot too long, so since it wasn't abused, we let the player relax and execute the shot with his maximum skill. BTW, you're not alone. 🙂

@@AccuStats I understand but it defeats the purpose of the timer. Just watched a female match and the timer was used properly.

Oh, well.

More difficult to make a ball on the break.

Break rules, have to make so many past the kitchen. The players chose these rules to take the break out of the dominating factor.

@@capoman1 thanks for the explanation I appreciate it

they should

The ref should not inform player.

A ref is there to ensure the rules are followed...pros are there to play and better be sure they know all the rules. Now theres no really unified rules in pool but at the end of the day if the ref told him of a foul before it happened is still bad juju plain and simple. American football refs dont rush the field to tell someone they're lined up offsides etc...

@@dfynt1G pull that in a tournment with me or better a cash game im telling you and any one else if YOU start to foul I will tell you before if i see you doing it.... It is the honest thing to do any thing else is trash

Announcers even called it, the ref is not to inform the player of an oncoming foul. Rules not personal ethics.

13:10 nothing better than 🎣 talk at a pool tourney

22:38 is he talking to his g-ma with that 🎤

42:25 they did not see a combo?

It's a 9 foot table, they never play on 8 foot tables. Sometimes they also play on 7 foot tables, and 10 foot tables. But most of the time they are on the 9 footers.

They very RARELY, actually never, play pro events on an 8' table. There are events on 7' tables but primarily, 9' tables are the norm. 8 footers are useless IMO. Save ur $ for a diamond bar box or a diamond 9 footer!

Fedor tops the money leader board with $173,000, Filler won $122,000 so far this year and SVB is at $98,000. And Fedor wasn't allowed to play for months here because of Putin's war in the Ukraine but nevertheless he's on top!

As long as the player is "addressing" the cue ball, it is not a foul when the timer goes to 00. No one has taken advantage of the obvious. If the player gets off the shot or starts looking around, then it's a foul.

Something to do with the nonsensical "noncompliant break" rule.

We agree.

Everyone thinks that. But the players voted and chose it.

If they ask about a rule ref can clarify. Ref can't coach & ref too. Whats next recommend a shot?

I'm an SVB fan, but stfu lol

It is not a foul, but the breaker does have a "Non-Compliant" break. There is a 3-point rule on the break. You get a point for each ball pocketed and a point for each ball that passes the head string. Score less than 3 and it's a non-compliant break. The opponent has the option of shooting or giving it back to the breaker.

FWIU you have to get 3 points. 1 for a ball past the head string. 1 for a pocketed ball. In this example: 2 balls past + ball pocketed = 3 pts