When I think of QB trades in the 70's, I think of two big ones. The 1st was probably the QB trade of the decade. The Vikings bringing back the one and only Fran Tarkenton by sending two draft picks Norm Snead and Bob Grimm to the Giants. Fran with the addition of John Gilliam brought some punch to the Vikings offense. Then the final piece would come later with Chuck Foreman and the Vikes were as complete as they ever were for the next 5-6 seasons. The other big QB trade was the Cowboys sending Craig Morton to the Giants in 1974 and getting a very special 1st round pick in 1975. In '1973 the Cowboys drafted Harvey Martin, in '74 they drafted Ed Too Tall Jones. The 1975 1st rounder(from the Giants) was Randy the Manster White. And Doomsday II was launched.
Yes, they were big ones - I covered those in the video that I alluded to during "Jersey Talk". Getting Fran back was HUGE. The Vikes probably don't play .500 ball without him.
Thanks Mark, good stuff. Charlie Johnson brought intelligence and professionalism when he landed in Denver. Johnson was the start for Broncos legitimacy. Shout to the Jets getting over on the Broncs in '79 when they traded Matt Robinson for a couple first rounders. Thanks brother, you're appreciated.
Red Miller was too gullible. The Broncos have a history of stupid when it comes to QB trades. Steve Tensi was acquired for two #1's and people didn't have to wait long; lo, he sucked right after the ref blew the whistle. 0ne would expect the Brain Trust to learn to say no to an expensive trade, but you'd be disappointed. Now RE: Matt Robinson. That was a bad trade unless you got players and pic and gave 0 bac|
That helmet worn at 7:10 looks like those helmets we got out of those gumball machines. Those Cardinals and red Falcons helmets are my all time favorites.
Awesome bonus footage! Sam wasn't a great QB, but he played an important role in helping the Bengals franchise get started. QB was a revolving door the first few seasons, but Sam was always still there when the dust settled. Most of all, he was a really good guy. I loved his time coaching Cincinnati. If only Lewis Billups could've hung on to that throw from Montana at the goal line in SB XXIII.
You have the best production , selection , presentation and music in this medium ! Great shots and you know your players ! I remember a movie where Charlton Heston played an aging quarterback and he was wearing the Saints jersey with # 17 . They used NFL film for their movie and that's how I knew " Billy , oh well , Billie " . Kilmer was the scaled down version of my favorite quarterback Joe Kapp ! The Dolphins really got over on the Packers , that's not Del Gazo folks ! It's Frank Zappa !
Thank you very much; I really appreciate that. Kapp wasn't a pretty passer, but he was a winner. In '69, the Vikings lost two regular season games - the first and last. In both games, Kapp did not start. He was a great leader and teammate.
Just looking at some of those hits makes me appreciate those 70's teams even more. Tough guys who didn't make the big money and had to work normal jobs in the off-season to pay the bills.
That is something that today’s young fans can’t appreciate. They are so obsessed with who the next GOAT is and know little of the history of the game. If the players of the 60s and 70s had the advantages of sports medicine, sports science, nutrition etc they would certainly compete with today’s players. ( and Bill Kilmer would not be carrying that extra weight in his gut lol)
I really appreciate your comments because today's young fans think that these leagues just started 20-30 years ago. They don't know of the game's history and are too lazy to research anything. ESPN and The NFL Network tell them day after day that Brady is the GOAT, so they accept it.
What bothers me most is hearing some of these young fans (as well as talking heads online or in mainstream media) who ignore, dismiss or actively denigrate the game and the players of the past. I am willing to acknowledge the great players of today. I don’t need to hate on them in order to acknowledge the greatness of those who excelled in the past.
In 1972 John Brodie was hurt most of the year, Steve Spurrier started most of the season, the game against the Cowboys, the 49ers won 31-10 Steve was 16/24 for 177 yards and 1 touchdown, only to lose in a playoff game which they were winning 28-13, Rodger Staubach replace Craig Morton and led a 4 quarter come back to beat the 49ers 30-28, Rodger became the cowboys permanent starter for the Cowboys and the rest is history
I remember when they traded a Stabler Sandwich for a Pastrami (I mean Pastorini) just after the 1979 season. Stabler would later get seasoned with Chef Bum Phillips. Sure they went 11-5 (lost to Plunkett not Pastorini in the playoff) but 13 TDs and 28 INTs for Stabler - what the fock?
Great video, Mark. Thanks. My maternal grandpa owned a business in Philadelphia that did some advertising. Throughout the 60's Norm Snead featured in their radio adds. Recently deceased.
Thank you - that's cool to hear that. I think that Snead was a very fine QB. I'm shocked that MN didn't use him more often though. Bob Lee and Gary Cuozzo were not the answer.
Very entertaining! I remember Steve Fuller as the QB for Clemson in the infamous 1978 Gator Bowl that marked the end of Woody Hayes career. Good footage of The Ol’ Ballcoach in SF. He really threaded the needle to Gene Washington in Big D. Lots of obscure guys brought back to life in this one. Was that a Jake Scott or Marino jersey?
@@stevenzimmerman4057 - yeah indeed he do, i think he is best one cause his are creative and off the wall. Whereas most are just highlights or a game rerun, which are cool if they are old but not very inventive.
Frenchy Fuqua eventually gave way to Franco Harris, but he did have a 200+ yard rushing game for the bad old Steelers. Linebacker Henry Davis suffered a career ending neck injury and gave way to rookie Jack Lambert.
Sir, great stuff! I am subscribed! born July of 1996, these old vids, are so 😎! Keep up the great work. Ik this is painstakingly difficult, but u r the guy! God bless you 🙏, Joey, in Cleveland
Yes, that was a good one. I featured that and other big QB trades in my video "These 10 HUGE Quarterback Trades Will Shock You" that's in the "Special Features" section of my Playlist.
I really love Charlie Johnson. He’s very underrated and that Oilers team didn’t have a great offensive line for sure. Did you know he had a PhD in engineering?
Yes, I recall reading that on the back of one of his football cards - 1971? In the '73 MNF game against Oakland, one of the announcers mentioned it as well.
16:05: The before mentioned Pete Liske was brought in during 1971 to replace Snead. Snead was booed mercilessly by the fans in his last several years in Philly. LOL, some people joked that the people who threw snowballs at Santa Claus thought it was Norm Snead under that costume! Leonard Tose had also bought the team in 1969 and later cleaned house in the executive suite. Snead was the brainchild of the previous owner and GM. There was no way he could be kept around. Turned out it was Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dee as Liske was a flop too. The Birds finally got it right in 1973 ( for one year at least) when they traded for Roman Gabriel.
Ole Norm was happy to be leavin' Philly then. I bet he thought that he was going to be the man in MN, but that wasn't to be. Bud Grant sure flubbed by not starting him for the entire year.
Yes, I covered that trade in my other related video entitled "These 10 HUGE Quarterback Trades Will Shock You". It's in the "Special Features section of my Playlist. Thanks for bringing that up.
Man with how soft the roughing the passer calls have become. It’s easy to forget. That it was a complete 180. Pre 2000s. And open season on QBs from the snap to the whistle! And even a little after the whistle!😂😂
When talking about Fuller, here's what I heard: Apparently, the QB coach for KC (Kay Dalton) liked Montana, but the idiot team president (Jack Steadman. He worked with Lamar Hunt in the oil business, and didn't know much about football) forced HC Marv Levy to trade back in the first round and take Steve Fuller (Jack was whining about the fact that they didn't have a franchise QB, and he was probably mad that they passed on highly-rated Jack Thompson for DE Mike Bell), who was the highest rated QB on their board at that point.
Jim DelGaizo got to mop up a few times in '72 when he backed up Earl Morrall. Behind the incredible Miami O line and throwing to Stowe and Warfield he looked like a star in the making. BTW we just lost another great player from that yndefeated team Captain Crunch #57 Mike Kolen. RIP
I actually have a soft spot for Pete Lisk who later played for the Eagles before they acquired Roman Gabriel. I have that OPC 1968 football card of his that you showed in the video. By the way, the 1968 OPEE CHEE football set is extremely rare, the checklist even marked CELL for $500 can you believe it?
Steve Spurrier (11) had been with SF for about 10 years when he was traded to expansion Tampa. He had some big games, but never could supplant John Brodie (12). They loved him in Florida where he had a huge college career.
The story goes that Spurrier didn't like the fact that John McKay insisted on his son J.K. McKay being the primary focus of the Bucs passing game. He didn't think that he was up for it. Also, he didn't like that John McKay was ibtent on being primarily a running team; he thought that they should open up the passing game more.
That’s the first time I’ve ever seen the Saints wearing those black helmets 1:49. Apparently they wore them in the 1969 preseason. Glad the league didn’t allow them to switch and went back to the gold.
@1:48-1:52...Fun fact. The helmet Billy Kilmer is wearing was used during the 1969 preseason. Pete Rozelle and the NFL rejected that helmet and the Saints had to revert back to the '68 design before the '69 regular season began.
I can't believe that Rozelle and the NFL rejected that helmet design. I wonder why. The Commish yielded a lot of power - perhaps too much, in my opinion. Thanks for bringing that up!
When adding these trades to the ones featured in my video "These 10 Quarterback Trades Of The 1970s Will Shock You", I think we've got 'em covered quite well.
Yes, that was a big trade. I covered that one in my video entitled "These HUGE 1970s Quarterback Trades Will Shock You" which is in the Special Features section of my Playlist. Thanks for bringing it up.
I guess third time was the charm having Rodgers wear #12 in Green Bay. (Dickey wasn't that bad in the early 80's though) Even though I wasn't born but Peter Liske led the Stampeders to a rare Grey Cup appearance in the late 1960's. Normally, it was Saskatchewan that was appearing in the Grey Cup in the late 1960's after BC Lions lost Joe Kapp to the Vikings and Winnipeg's Head Coach also went to Minnesota as well in Bud Grant. 13:57 - There is the holder for Tom Dempsey's 63 yard FG in 1970 Any clips of John Hufnagel when he was in Denver before his departure to Canada? Chuck Noll's rookie season as Steelers Head Coach and 55 years later, they have only had two other head coaches. I'll never forget when fans at Riverfront versus Seattle were throwing snowballs, Sam Wyche went on the microphone to get the fans to stop and concluded his speech with 'You don't live in Cleveland, YOU LIVE IN CINCINNATI!!'
Joe Scarpati held the ball for Dempsey. Hufnagel only threw 61 NFL passes - I'd have to check, but it would most likely be from week 11 and/or 12 from '75 when he threw 6 picks in 23 attempts. Isn't that utterly amazing about the steadiness of the Steelers Head Coaching? With some teams it's a merry-go-ground of coaches.
Del Gaizo (11), a south paw, was a good prospect when he was with Miami - he was on the ‘72 undefeated Dolphins. He just didn’t get much playing time. The media had him as the possible starter, eventually. Easy to see how Green Bay gave up two high picks to obtain him.
1970 was still Old AFL vs Old NFL as it was the merger year, and Denver, not necessarily considered a playoff team, showed that AFL teams were on par. The Broncos bashed Atlanta and New Orleans that year, and I think they beat the Steelers, too - an old NFL franchise that did not want to go to the AFC. Shiner later ended up with the Falcons, where he played fairly well, though I was told his stats there weren't great. They won some big games when Shiner was playing, in place of injured Bob Berry.
Unless I missed it, I’m stunned that the Browns-Dolphins trade that sent Paul Warfield to the Dolphins so the Browns could move up and draft Mike Phipps isn’t depicted.
I have that one featured in my video "These HUGE 1970's Quarterback Trades Will Shock You" which located in the Special Features section of my playlist.
Well, I think both had to do with the Vikings. Improving their chances by bringing in Tarkenton, yet ruining it by letting Kapp walk.70 and 71 WAS the right time for them. Even though it was an option type of thing , they got 2 players from the Patriots , so of sorta a trade :)
@@markgardner9460 Its next to impossible to convince fans ( Vikings fans ) but their best chances of winning it all were with the Kapp , and not Tarkenton led teams. Just so many things that went on behind closed doors of Kapp leaving. SMH ,(
When Kapp signed with the Patriots, he became the highest paid player in the league. I don't think that the Vikings wanted to pay him what he was worth - just my opinion.
The first 3 trades are featured in my video that I mentioned "These 10 Quarterback Trades Of The 1970s Will Shock You". In 1980, Stabler was traded to the Oilers from the Raiders.
Billy Kilmer's main claim to fame before going to Washington was his fumble that Jim Marshall ran into the San Francisco end zone in 1964 for a safety! That being said he was tough as nails and a excellent QB for the Redskins!
The Pack was so desparate. They tried old man Zeke Bratkowski. They drafted Scott Hunter out of Alabama - same school as Starr. Of course there's the Hadl and Dickey trades. They blew a lot of draft picks on QB's
Spurrier riddled the Vikings with 31 completions ( most against Minnesota at the time). over 300 yards but threw 2 fourth quarter picks to Paul Krause as Minnesota prevailed.
Yes. They didn't play in near perfect playing conditions, nor wear gloves, so a wobbler or two is understandable. As long as it gets to the receiver I guess.
