Well, seeing as how the majority of comic book readers are oversexed young teenage boys, hoping not to die virgins, I cant get mad at the industry for catering to their market . When I was a teen the only females I knew that read comics read "Archie Comics". and being offended is not a skill. Further ,I hurt myself as a teenager trying to lose weight and build my pecs, and biceps ,and back ,you know like the male characters in comics. The only pudgy hero I can think of is "Bouncing boy "from the legion of super heroes" and The notable characters " Foggy Nelson" from "Daredevil", and "Micro ",from" the "Punisher "It's a thin line between ,Objectivation, admiration, and motivation . They had a lot of fat villains though, (Mole man ,Doctor Octopus, King Pin, the Blob, and, Black Mariah from Luke Cage, who was a black female king pin. or should I say Queen pin) And it works both ways. I mean Archie had a "dad bod" as a teenager. And 30%(or more in some States) of the US population are clinically obese. Can't blame that on comic charters. But comic depictions took me from a damn near 40'inch waist to a 33 in 2 years. At 62 I'm a 35" waist 46"sholider.Thank you Stan Lee.
@@zakkmylde1712 Got to admit, I'm 'Old School', and the whole "Hulk is a manifestation of the Super Devil/God" just didn't appeal to me (my favorite versions being Joe Fixit/Professor Hulk from the Peter David run). True, though, that Hulk is always stronger. She-Hulk was special because she retained her intelligence after the transformation (with the side effect that the 'wallflower' of a woman that comic Walters was turned into a more outgoing person as She-Hulk).
Lol! "No. No it's not". straight to the point and no wiggle room! Well played sir! I have no time to mess with that b.s. Actually not true. I got way too much time on my hands! Hence, the RU-vid comment on random shehulk facts!
I always like to see people gripe about the female comic book character's unrealistic sexualized figures....because yeah, most men have a physique like the average comic book character. 🙄
For me, it's not so much how they are built, but some of the costumes (High heels...lol) and some of the cringy story lines. For a long time Wonder Woman was advertised as a strong female character, yet she ended up in a ton of weird BDSM situations in the older comics. Plus the time they turned her into a fashion designer for some weird reason, and thought that was a worthy super hero story. I'm glad the seemed to have stopped with the cringy and sometimes rapey stories. Now if they would just loose the high heels forever unless they are not part of their super-hero combat gear, I would be happy. Seriously, trying to fight in High heels is dumb. She would be better off kicking them off and fighting barefoot.
Jack Bits I don't get it? So because there's male characters that have unrealistic muscular bodies. Then they shouldn't point out the over sexualized female characters in comics? If you don't really get out much or have any real relationship's with women outside a few in your bubble. There's a lot of reasons why over sexualizing female characters is called out. But if you don't understand why. I can't explain it to you. You just need to get out more. Not read it online.
Actually, I have seen guys shaped like The Blob and I am probably a Mr. Fantastic (average) myself, but it does seem lopsided big time. The women complain about it but we guys don't care that even a teenager (Peter Parker, when first bit) has a physique better than ours. Lol
It seems like both Hulk and She-Hulk suffer from the same writing problem. That being flanderization. The traditional hulk is so much more interesting in the comics. He has multiple separate hulk forms and personalities, and Jennifer is an accomplished and stable person who has no real reason to fear others discovering her powers.
You forgot to mention that She-Hulk, not Deadpool, was the original 4th-wall breaker. She even made a friend during that who explained the rules. That was one of my favorite quirks about her.
Thank you for reminding us. I did the same a while back for a Deadpool video. This 4th wall breaking was indeed one of the best features of the She-Hulk comic book series. And yes, she had always been sexy, had various partners and so on. But she was has always been conscious about that, often talking to her audience through the 4th wall about it, reflecting about, what the audience might think about it. This way, she showed all of us the mirror. By this way of handling this character, Marvel reaching an outstanding depth with that story.
@@andrepeisker4166 She-Hulk did not get any of the love she deserved, that's for sure. It seems people like us are in the comic book minority. To me, she will always be the best Hulk ever... and probably my favorite member of the Fantastic Four and the Avengers. She was an awesome addition, probably the best, to any team she joined.
@@dirceusantos7308 how is it in bad taste when its their video and not yours . Soundsmore like you disagree or feel abit differently. You could just go make a counter video that is if you have the views or members
@@superzeronoelvalencia1361 I could. If was a RU-vidr. But this just my laziness for entertaining people preventing it. But when there is no one to make counter videos, I'll make my debut.
He/she is not a superhero if they are ugly . Superheros are a power fantasy. And they should be a image of perfection . If a "superhero" is ugly than they are not superheros they are just heros that if there heroics actions are from a place of selflessness otherwise they are not even heroes .
Hbo max has some of weirdest nerdiest people in shows that im not hugely attractive but dont wanna watch it because they look so unattractive and pathetic in life
Agreed. It is getting tiring to have 'strong female characters' ... that are effectivly turned into men. Have those strong characters. Have them be center stage and have the story focus on them, but to burn off all the curves and give a butch haircut then make every threat fall with little effort and them capable of everything? All that says is you don't think they can take on a real challenge and so think women aren't good enough without becoming men. Which is ultimately sexist bullshit.
@@singletona082 lmao y'all are funny. Literally had the man explain in the video how heroines in movies haven't really stopped being sexualized to any substantial extent. We are having occasionally strong written female characters, but by no means are any of the female headliners of these movies "butch" or "masculine." The only one who even comes close is captain marvel, and she literally just has short hair and is a soldier. Outside of that, she's not masculine in height, build, or shape, and she's definitely not manly or ugly in the face. Like, not only are your points ridiculous, but you didn't even recognize the irony of you thinking the women being hired for Marvel or DC are not entirely comprised of conventionally attractive women. Women can't be powerful unless they're equally attractive in these movies.
This video came out a bit too "4th wave feminist" at times. I love She-Hulk for her interpretation as a meek person that takes the best of an accident and embracing their nee self, becominh empowered as a result (both by itself and as an opposition to Banner's "Jekyll & Hyde" situation). I also love the character for her feminity, her being a strong(obviously), beautiful and self-assured woman that doesn't need or care for others' approval or even recognition; and I feel whenever terms like "slut shaming" are thrown around it undermines the character's strong points: She-Hulk is sexy and knows it, doesn't care who others thinks about it, and will openly flaunt it around, she also knows pride can grow into hubris and she can sometimes be "too much to handle" (not because she's a woman, male heroes like Spiderman or Deadpool also face this problem). What I mean is that women can also "come in too strong" to a man, and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging and apologizing for that, but She-Hulk doesn't care for the rumors on who she sleeps with so why should we? People love gossip, we're not changing that, but we can normalize being deaf to what others gossip about us, I think She-Hulk embodies that "devil may care" attitude that we've been sorely missing in the last years and I just had to bitch about it. Sorry for my rant.
Upon hearing your commentary pertaining to She-Hulks appearance, let's remember that both sides (men and women) were highly exaggerated to unrealistic standards. Growing up reading comics as a kid, sure I liked the designs used for the females, but I also knew that they weren't any more realistic than the "He-Man" equivalent body structure in males. It was all part of the fantasy, and readers understood that. The only ones who understood, but refused to acknowledge the simple fact that it was all part of the fantasy, were bitter feminists and desperate males trying to get laid. Not much has changed over the years in those regards, but fantasy is still fantasy. By definition it's not meant to be taken seriously as reality, just a means to an end to enjoy the story.
It's the war cry of the dunces. It doesn't take a genius to realize that action with "mesomorphs in costumes" as Denny O'Neil calls it, and extremely attractive women are going to sell to the demographic comics are meant to sell to: pre-teen and teen boys. I don't blame them for catering to their readership any more than the multitude of romance novels that feature extremely jacked guys on the covers aimed at middle-aged housewives.
not to mentiopn most heros and heroines actually stay in shape considering all the threats they face, even stark when he couldnt walk stayed in as much shape as he could
I don't want to see women that I see in real life. I want to see women that embody perfectionism when it comes to visuals. Only Narcicissts need to see themselves everywhere.
I think body shaming has gotten reversed. It looks like they keep staying away from women with big busts and small waists. It seems if a woman is "curvier" than others, she is to be rejected and a less curvy woman is chosen. It's just hypocritical to me. A curvy woman should be able to strut and dress as she wants, just as an any other woman.
Ngl only land whales reeeeee about it. Specially the large whamen who would date not large men and if they got rejected you will be labeled as fatphobic. What a world to live in.
@@cyklonus1 ah sorry about that. Not gonna lie only large women would whine about it. They would gladly date hot men but not large men. If if ever they got rejected because they are fat you will be called fatphobic. What a world to live in.
@@friednoodle6582 lol yeah that makes sense. A big woman can come out in sexy clothes and "it's beautiful", a flat chested woman is "gorgeous". But a woman with a small waist, fit, big breasts and curvy butt is a "slut" and a "misrepresentation of real women". Smh. 🙄🙄🙄
@@cyklonus1 yeah, i really don't understand the word beauty anymore. I guess only weirdos hate being healthy and fit. Just like the case with Adelle and Rebel Wilson when they decided to get fit, the weirdos went nuts.
True, I mean, just look what they did to the Masters of the Universe, the girls literally look like men. They also did this to SpiderGwen in the new Spider-verse movie, they made look like she is either a man or is now just a tall middle schooler instead of a high schooler.
@@jamminjohn Even the actors don't measure up to...They carb load for the scene like a bodybuilder going onto a competition stage, a "look" that only lasts for hours. Or they have just outright enhanced their muscularity with CGI. So what's with all the snide remarks about female superheroes looking fit and attractive...🤦♂
Yeah, I lost it at "male gaze". The only way to get any more stupid than that is to attack manga for pretty much existing (as other people have been doing for a while).
I find funny people who whine about so called sexualisation of female in superhero comic book,yet no one whine about the unrealistic appearance of male heroes
It's like people forgot about He-Man and Conan the Barbarian. But I think it safe to say our species is addicted to fantasies, sexual or not. We all want our heroes to look like the best we have to offer, but rarely do real/actual heroes look like that. Hell, i remember when Tom Cruise and Paul Giomatti were up for an award, but it went to Tom Cruise. Why? He's viewed as more visually appealing than Giomatti, which is a tragedy since Giomatti is a much more versatile actor than Cruise.
@@ScornedOne1080 i think there is oversexualization of female characters, while also liking red sonja and vampirella, it is just that when every character is sexy, the characters who are defined by how sexy they are lose their appeal, like catwoman, her entire deal is that she is sexy, unlike poison ivy whose entire deal is that she is sexy or harley quin who entired deal was that she was crazy, but now, being sexy somehow is a fundamental part of the character
@@devforfun5618 Oh its both ways . . . I've yet to see a guy who can remain ripped his whole life. The media has this fantasy view of the human body, male and female. Course, our tastes in what's considered sexually pleasing visually has changed much over the last few hundred years. But that aside most marketing is also aimed at sales, and sadly sex is the number one thing, and chances are more likely an attractive female cover will be picked up than an attractive male one. Call it a social dichotomy on visual attraction or something like that (i'm no expert).
@@ScornedOne1080 yeah there is that too, it gets dangerous when translated to live action, Snyder had to include a scene of superman shirtless to show Cavil physique, because he wanted to look good as superman man without padding, but why did he have to have that Physique in the first place ? he was unhealthy just to look good in the movie
I’ve always found the argument that women are drawn to be sexy in the comics a ridiculous one. Men are also drawn to be sexy in the comic books. I don’t see the gender disparity in this. Likewise in the MCU. Sure, the female actresses are beautiful, but I don’t think there’s been a single male hero in the MCU (prior to some of the Eternals) who didn’t have a shirtless scene to show their bodies off. Where is the gender bias that is apparently so prevalent and problematic here? Anyone? To be clear; I’m not saying that gender biases don’t exist (in both directions). I just don’t see the gender bias where sexy comic character choices are concerned
Is there something so wrong with liking to look at pretty people? And I agree, men in comics are drawn to be appealing as well. Nobody is saying that their looks should be their ONLY value, that is unlikely to maintain mass appeal, but let's face facts, its the looks that are the initial draw.
The Late Richard 'Jaws' Kiel played the Hulk in the old TV show for the start of filming, but was replaced by Lou Ferrigno for not been muscular enough, however he appears as the Hulk in one shot in the Pilot
Yes, because you can't put love into a job, ever. It's all for money, all the time, and everyone should hate their job. Anyone who says that they use their job to express themselves are liars, no love can be put into a product.
@@citizenvulpes4562 lol I wouldn't go that far. I certainly think you can love your work and put love into the product you produce. Although, all of their characters were designed to be marketable to some extent. There's a fine line between doing what you want and doing what the audience wants in any media for profit. Stan Lee said Silver Surfer was his favorite character but his original solo run only lasted 18 issues because it simply didn't sell. If they had been doing it purely for the love of the art they would have continued to release Silver Surfer but instead they cancelled it and put their time into characters who brought in more revenue
There is a difference between loving the characters and using the characters to express a love of your own, uhm, farts. Marvel was made to make money, yes, but if they didn’t care about giving the characters enough personality the fans wouldn’t spend money on them. Loving the characters in a story IS what makes money and when people who don’t love the characters take over it LOSES money, it is as simple as that.
Making a She-Hulk movie is still a gamble, or at least its a gamble with how Marvel and Disney have been treating She-Hulk the last few years, where they have taken her whole character and trashed it, especially her motivations, they really messed that one up in recent comics. Don't get me wrong though, I would love a She-Hulk film, at least if it's based on her original character and not what she has become in recent years.
She Hulk is unfortunately not immune to the modern treatment of female characters. They all come off as weak Mary Sues due to companies like Disney not being able to tell the feminists to grow the hell up.
All superheroes are ideal objectifications, by the standards you are using. Male and female are exaggerated ideals of both sexes. If they just did it to the female characters, you'd have a point, but it is done to the male characters, as well. That just makes the objectification of female characters sound idiotic.
yeah, I absolutely hate that "male gaze" is thrown around nonstop but Hemsworth and Co are forced to have a shirtless scene every movie and no one comments about it negatively. Superheroes are meant to be hypersexualised, superstrong, superbeautiful. Males aswell as females. And there is nothing wrong with that. Its been done since the stone age - tales of greek mythology, artworks like the David Statue or Pallas Athene - all focused on beauty, strength and attributes no regular person could achieve.
@@williamw3501 exactly. And, imagine if they made Captain Marvel fat as a result of PTSD and played it for laughs instead of Thor. There would have been outrage among the “outrage community”.
I always loved She-Hulk. For much the same reason I love Deadpool. She was the original fourth wall breaker. She could be funny and serious at the same time, and fall into the weirdest situations. And I love the contrast between her and Bruce. The Hulk is everything Bruce Banner wanted to repress. While the She-Hulk was everything Jennifer Walters wanted to let out.
I'm a long time She Hulk fan, have been for decades. I was excited when I heard this was coming. Then they announced who would be the showrunner. The chick who freaks out about South Park every few months. I've been checked out ever since.
If you mean Dana Schwartz, she's not the showrunner. It's run and written by Jessica Gao, who wrote a few episodes of Rick & Morty, including Pickle Rick.
Gotta be honest, the guy who said she hulk was a porn star was suuuuper misogynistic, I mean, the idea that a woman can’t have multiple partners is an obvious double standard and always has been, it’s bullshit, and him saying that is basically saying “the only good women, are the women who stay in their place and act like we tell them to” otherwise why couldn’t she hulk have as many partners as she wants? Who’s going to try and take advantage? Can’t think of a better way to show female equality as she hulk acting however the fuck she wants
For the curious, the animated clip of She-Hulk having a fight with Wonder Woman at around 8:40 comes from a fan-made vs. video, which can be found here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rH1fYNNc4Uw.html
"I'm seven foot six and bright green, people are going to stare at me no matter what I wear" -- She-Hulk to Wyatt Wingfoot, as they prepare for a date night.
Oh and this video keep repeating the Same Shit over and over and over. A Video that should have only been 7 minutes ( probably less ) but stretched to 15 because of all the repeating themselves.
I love how he says she-hulk has never been a part of a movie or tv show while show clip from an animated movie she is in lmfao. He should have said she hasn't had a live action adaptation.
Did you splice the Wonder Woman/She Hulk scenes together yourself? Cause if so, great job! Took me a bit to figure out that that is what must've been done. Otherwise there's a DC vs Marvel animated movie I desperately need to be made aware of.
Screw that BS with the male gaze. The second they made Thor fat he become nothing but a walking joke. No one cares he was suffering from mental anguish. It was all lowbrow fat jokes from people who were supposed to be his friends. Female characters are not treated any differently than male characters in the art department.
I’ll be happy if they actually give her struggles and weaknesses to many female leads are either to strong or have no weakness like in the new Mulan she starts off the film as a badass already she was supposed to go through a transformation into a strong female lead not just start out as it hopefully she hulk will start off with her learning how to maybe control herself and her powers since Bruce seems to be in a spot where he could actually teach her how to control herself since he’s figured it out by now in the mcu
She Hulk was not created to attract a female audience, the character was created because some other comic company, not DC I forgot the name but anyway wanted to create a female version of the Hulk. Marvel got wind of this did not want to see a rip off of one of its top characters so they quickly came up with She Hulk so if someone did they had the rights to sue...look into it.
It was the tv company making The Hulk tv-show. If they wanted to do a female spin off like Bionic Woman to The Bionic Man, popular at the time, they would have the rights to that character.
like Spider-Woman, she hulk was created for Trademark purposes so marvel could own a female version of the very popular hulk character before someone else did
I think the "over sexualized" nature of comic characters, while true maybe, is true of all characters in the genre not just women. It is also true that the inspiration for what super-heroes are, that is mythological gods, demi-gods, and heroes were depicted far more sexually than the current versions. I think that the preference for stylized perfect physical specimens has been a thing in comic books for nearly 100 years and suggesting that it sexist is nor really a fair judgement.
I mean, look at ancient greek statues of gods and heroes. They were mostly depicted naked or nearly naked with peak human physique. There is nothing sexist about that. It's just a way to symbolize perfection and mark that being superhuman instead of being a mere mortal
@@ilsgrade8357 We have sculptures, paintings, and mosaics of them that go beyond just posing with their trousers off... Plenty of NSFW(but OK for the temple) depictions of their "adventures"... We have decided that a lot of that sexuality is not acceptable as mainstream art, but throughout the Classical era sex was a significant component of popular storytelling.
She-Hulk books were geared towards putting the comic back in comic book. It was full of tongue in cheek humor, innuendo, and the only example I can think of that regularly broke the 4th wall with her addressing or making indirect reference to the reader. It was fun, funny, poked fun at real life issues, and targeted teen boys. Nothing wrong with any of that. In fact contrasted against every other title, it was a pretty unique book. Going by what Goyer said, I don’t think he ever read the book and based his comment only on assumption due to the high innuendo marketing of her book (covers, etc) such as the infamous naked jump roping issue.
Idk, I'm pretty sure that scene in the trailer paying tribute to the old 70s show is Jennifer breaking the 4th Wall. She might not blatantly do it and talk to the camera, but cutaway gags ala Scrubs and Family Guy make sense for the MCU formula.
as much as I like hulk, shehulk is more preferable to me... I'd wish they take more time on planning her movie... and that they keep in mind that she's the cousin of a scientist and that she's a lawyer herself... so she's no damn hillbilly or dumb brute... and I hope they remember that she knew that she was a comic figure and that she sometimes broke the 4th wall... yupp she did it before deadpool
What they forget is...... that Male HULK is Suppose to Get Stronger the Angrier He Gets. Looks like they are doing that to her as well. So Male HULK Could have Snapped Thanos in Half like a toothpick if he wanted to/got Mad Enough.
In my opinion no one has suffered a greater indignity that what happened to Mary Jane Parker in Spider-Man: Reign also you showed a picture of the current Ms. Marvel Kamala Khan introduced in 2013 when talking about Carol Danvers who was introduced in the late sixties but didn't become the first Ms. Marvel until almost a decade later.
Not to change topic but.. am I the only person who is disappointed that Deathlok only showed in Agents of Shield (and not really comic accurate) and never went to any kind of independent series?
when he said that she-hulk has never been in any movies or tv shows he was wrong cuz she is in a show called Agents of S.M.A.S.H. and what makes this mistake really funny is that the video even shows scenes from that tv show 😂
The thing about powerful hero ladies being sexually attractive and sensual is simply this, a womans sexual attractiveness and sensual qualities are what give her a majority of her power. That's what being a woman is. Otherwise what's the point. Just write the character as a man or as a neutral creature.
The REAL She Hulk would have stormed into the offices of Disney demanding the removal of the Twerking scene. On Screen. That's one of her 4th wall breaks from the comics, more or less.
Feminist heroes isnt what people want, see Cpt Marvel. Also, most of the mcu is no longer male. Thor, black panther, iron heart, she hulk, ms. Marvel, cpt marvel, echo, scarlet witch, black widow, gamora, mantis, hawkeye, valkyrie, nebula, some eternals and soon to be about a dozen xmen are all female mcu heroes.
If I recall Marvel actually said She Hulk wasn’t created as a money grab, but so they could copyright the name to keep it from being used as a Hulk parody.
Would've loved that movie 2:38. Who says a female hero can't be dangerous and sexy at the same time? I can't believe she went as a maid for halloween 6:54. 11:42 and yet she became so popular like Castiel from supernatural that she-hulk is her own thing
She -Hulk was created specifically because the producers of the late 70s Hulk tv show had considered creating a female version of The Hulk, which would have been owned by the studio. Marvel of course wanted to own the rights to such a character so they trumped the tv studio and created a female Hulk themselves, with Stan Lee writing the first issue himself.
Also, it's not often speculated who is more powerful. Hulk is by far more powerful than She-Hulk, in terms of raw strength. The only way there's even a consideration of She Hulk being stronger, is if you're factoring Jennifer's good fortune to still have her wits about her in her She Hulk form, thus making her able to make better decisions with the super strength she does have.
umm i dont know where your info came from where you said shes never been part of a show. shes done at least 4 tv shows The incredible Hulk (1982), The Incredible Hulk (1996) , Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. (2013), Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes (2006), unless you dont count cartoons
Red Sonja was a huge failure and a lot of movie posters were even changed to trick people into thinking it was an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. She-Hulk would have done even worse back then.
I think it says a lot about American culture that the idea that women should be ugly is considered something to be accepted, promoted and pushed as "egalitarian", whilst women being beautiful attracts only scorn and disgust.
