hey guys!🥰 if you hadn’t already noticed, i decided to private and reupload my 90s thinness and BBL body video, unfortunately by making blanket statements like “white women co-opt black women’s features and get more praise for it”, although i still believe this is true, this overlooks the fact that not all black women have slim thick body types, and could imply that black women are not victims to the slim thick body beauty standards, and overlooks that many black women risk their lives getting dangerous surgeries to better fit into the rigid beauty standards of today. i’m sorry if anyone felt disappointed by my blanket statements in the first upload of this video, as someone with a platform i have a responsibility to correct myself when i make mistakes and oversights. i hope you guys enjoy the reuploaded video! jordan 🥰
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recently the 'thin is in' vibes are coming in strong from the ballet-core / pilates-core aesthetics, and also i feel like thinspo kind of tags along with the whole 'old money' trend and all the related activities, like swimming, sailing, tennis, etc typical of an amalfi coast/south of france summer, since thinness is seen as 'classier' than bbls and those types of procedures, like this focus on performing natural beauty
Yea that was the same vibe for many decades. They always made thin=elegance. Even on the 50’s Marylin Monroe was the curvy sexy one and Audrey Hepburn was the skinny elegant one.
i know this is controversial but it pretty much means being white is getting trendy again lmfao since they were obsessed with black/mixed people in the last years, now its time to go back to the old money white people. its crazy that races are trendy.
Yes! The elites always want to be different from regular people. The people are dieting? Oh we’re getting BBLs now. Regular people learned about BBLs and can afford them overseas? We’re getting skinny again and doing really expensive sports like pilates! And ozempic!
Also the old money aesthetic trend, you can't really act like you're old money when you have a big bum sticking out, even Kylie hides her body in flowy dresses when she's trying too give of old money vibe.
As a South African woman. I thank you so very much for mentioning Sara Baatman and how she was exploited. That is something we can never forget as a nation. Thank you for respecting her name.
As a white girl who grew up with a naturally big butt/boobs in the late 2000’s, I was always “aged” higher than I actually was, being offered drinks by men in their 20s and 30s when I was only 13. The adultification of my teenage body was awful - and I was simultaneously mocked by my same aged peers for not being thin. It really messed with me, being “desired” by older men and revolted by guys my own age. Even though my body type is “desirable” now, I resent it because I don’t want to be seen as attractive because of a trend just to be unattractive in 10 years when it changes again. I want to be seen as a person, not as my body.
Welcome to life, sweetie. Almost every single woman had felt this way at some point in their life. It's just normal thing u worry about...& it's also normal for you to get adored & looked at, by ppl "seeing u as your body". Ppl, especially the opposite sex, have instinct to salivate over a human they find attractive. It's in our blood, and always will be. The hard core instincts to be attracted to someone because of mating, was created with The Planet on day 1. You'll learn to live with it when u grow up, completely.
@@actuallyNo... Doesn't mean it can't bother us. We are allowed to verbalize our distaste for it, just as you are allowed to not care about it. Just go talk to other people who agree with you then 🙄
im black without the voluptuousness, but many black and latin American girls have thicker bodies and get treated that way. its very nasty how the human body is sexualised excessively
Not being told that you died on the operating table and were resuscitated, only suspecting it afterwards because of your broken rips, is so incredibly scary and unsettling
I heard her mention it in another video and honestly I think it's one of the most eerie things I've ever heard. I can't even begin to imagine what that would feel like to realize
i feel like especially in europe (where im from) the BBL look was just something american reality stars and influencers had; ppl who are commonly looked down upon or at least not taken very seriously here. Thinnes never went out of style here at all.
@@di3486eah, if plastic surgery is overdone it can look tacky/classless, but the "thick look" is something that most black/poc women embody, for which they've historically been called unprofessional, so idk - don't take this the wrong way, but this comment comes off as uninformed
Oh, but go to a gym and you will see how almost every girl trains to get a super slim waist and a big butt (even if it does not fit their body type at all). They are really everywhere and all kinda look the same too 😅 so I think the Kim Kardashian body is still very much in style even in Europe...
I truly believe kpop is at the forefront of the new thinness push. Edit: I forgot about this comment, but I'm saying this as a kpop Stan. I've accidentally slid into the ed community just by watching innocuous tiktoks and suddenly they talk about trying the idols starvation diets and even before that as a grown woman have been influenced to not eat so much because you see something and you think it looks good. I survived the modeling world with no Ed. Kpop gave me one and I know I'm not alone.
Me too, I think it's the rise of Kpop's popularity across the world + the comeback of Y2K + more social media (like tiktok).. And it's all based on money..
No, K-pop isn't influential enough in the west for that. It's kind of in a bubble atm and wouldn't have that cultural impact. However, I do think that th beauty standards of K-pop are a reflection of east Asian beauty standards that have very much remained in the 90s
it results really funny to me when people says that the BBL era was more important than being skinny during the 2010’s because when you think about the media that really is gonna stay relevant about this era in history (movies, music, etc) you cant really think about this type of body. it was just a social media thing, it dissapeared really quick to go back to the heroin chic type of body or even worse🤷🏻♀️
@@jennythavisay739what’s the point of this time stamp? the comment is about the body type in general, like yes some ppl can dissolve it, but a lot of us are stuck with it 😂 and we’re still real even if the social media body went back out of style
I think ppl say it was important bc we NEVER see ourselves represented otherwise, so even if it was a social media thing, it was nice to feel universally pretty for once.
@@abbyz13im not saying it was a bad thing because even when it was unrealistic this opened the door for being more inclusive, what i really meant is that some people talk about this time like skinny standards disappeared, when in reality it was still haunting everyone but in a more undercover way
Yes and mainly it was still a skinny body + a big butt. I mean the medium/large body was never a trend. You never saw bellies and big thight with a pancake butt. You kepts seing only small body in movies and models. It was just a skinny body with a mustache seriously and only allow for a few people 😂
I really appreciate that Jordan elaborated on the fact that not all black women have naturally slim thick bodies. I kinda always felt insecure that I am a black lady who doesn't naturally have that body type, especially since so many other RU-vidrs talking about this topic say that black women naturally have slim thick body types without mentioning that not all of us do.
I understand from the opposite end. I'm a white girl, and I'm built slim thick(not like Kim K but a natural version) 34DD-28-42 with 24 inch thighs. No matter what I do, no matter if I'm my usual 135 or get down to 115, I cannot change my proportions. I was called fat by all the white girls I grew up with, even when I was 2 yrs into an ED and weighed 92lbs at 5'2".
Mostly all of the women in my family have regular slim hourglass figures with a relatively flat behind. I only have one 2 relatives that had a really small waist and big booties. I've never envied that exaggerated look. I prefer the slimmer aesthetic, I think it looks neater.
I love in Kenya and the ladies I see around me are so diverse. and in smaller frames, including myself, as well as Somali women known to be thin, I really don't understand when people say back women are naturally curvy. Africa has a lot of thin and straight women, if not the majority lol
About the bruised legs being an “aesthetic” it was heavily tied to ED culture and online forms at the time. When you are malnourished aka starving yourself you bruise incredibly easy. I’ve been there at the height of my ED. Bruised legs were literally a status symbol at the time. And this is not including people that struggle with iron deficiencies or other health problems, don’t get it twisted.
I remember there being some self-harm idolization as well, perhaps not in that subculture as I wasn't into it myself, but I do remember a lot of stuff on Instagram and Tumblr then, especially under ED tags. Thankfully I was there for memes and artwork, and I was able to escape most of that side of the internet as a teen.
Does bruising easily say something concerning about your health? I get bruises all the time, mostly on my legs, and don't even notice them until they're there. Never had an ED, but I guess I don't have the healthiest diet... But how does one even get checked for "easy bruising"?
@@destituteanddecadent9106 It can mean a number of things. Low iron, a blood related disorder (like when your blood is too thin or doesn't clot), a connective tissue disorder, or a number of things. Usually it's combined with other things, like fatigue, unusual scars, etc. But if there aren't any other concerns, then don't worry too much about it. Most diagnoses are by having a checklist of different symptoms, and if you have only one, then you don't have that issue.
@@destituteanddecadent9106 some people naturally do just bruise easily but if you are concerned you can mention it to your doctor and get a CBC/blood test done! Sometimes low platelet counts leads to easy bruising
Being hyper sexualized without my consent as a tween and teen was extremely traumatic and led to a lot to unpack as an adult. I was especially extremely sensitive and uncomfortable with my breast size (34H) and having them being perceived. When I eventually got a reduction, the way I was treated was so different. I’m in STEM, and both men and women would listen to me and actually take my opinions into account. It was easier to get hired and I was taken more seriously as a professional. It was an extremely frustrating experience.
Respect. I appreciate you talking about black women and the history of black women’s bodies being objectified and disrespected as part of this conversation
This sick obsession with thinness never went away. I'm 34 and was diagnosed with an ed (the AN one) 4 years ago. My whole life I was praised for my thinness, never once told it was unhealthy. It makes me so sad to think about a whole new generation that will have to go through what I am. It's makes me so scared for my children.
Hi! im 16 yrs old, AN as well.. please please please watch what ur kids r doing on the internet! n never let ur guard off, u have reasons to be concerned, im sorry, ik this hurts but yk
As a teen who has struggled with an ED and a string of other things PLEASE keep them off of social media it really messed with my mental health it contributed to my ED (I am recovering and one of the most helpful things was deleting all my social media apps)
Don't be scared about your children. Now being fat is being totally normalized, school meals are provided by the chippest caterers and personal accountability is nonexistent. Hope it makes you happy.
@@NothIng-bd9ciAre you... actually insinuating that free school lunches for children are bad? Why frame such a blatantly hateful statement behind the veil of consoling someone psychologically conditioned to starve themselves beyond reason, beyond what I'm sure even you would consider 'how people SHOULD be,' which is right at the border of malnourishment, I take it. Why? Why not just say "I'd actually prefer it if NONE of the kids at school got to eat, because some people are getting fat."
I love how you spoke about the bodybuilders because I have noticed a lot of them with muscle dysmorphia and arthorexia. These things are creeping into young men and thinking that having abs is healthy when it’s not with what restrict your body to eat in order to get that. Some guys are gifted genetically so a lot of us won’t have that type of body with muscles and etc. I think also media has lied to men that having a body like that is what all women like
Any bodybuilder worth anything will say that body type is not sustainable. You tend to dehydrate and lean out for short periods of time for events or competition, and then go back to a maintenance lifestyle for most of the year. It’s not healthy to be super super lean for extended periods of time. Our bodies do actually like some fat
Even Arnold Schwartzenegger has called out current bodybuilding as not being healthy and bodybuilders not actually being fit. They huff and puff and can't hold the poses, because they are solely concentrated on size rather than conditioning.
I remember being in a college women’s literature class at a very liberal arts school. We were made to watch a couple documentaries about bodybuilding and specifically female bodybuilders. They really set a standard for what a strong ideal body type was and the level of dedication needed to look that way. And yet that world and body is so far from normal life, but it doesn’t stop people from trying to achieve some semblance of physical perfection in order to “looksmax”.
I think this example in the video would have been a good way to tie together her point about BMIs. Because most bodybuilders are considered overweight per BMI because muscle is so much denser than fat (so 1 square inch of muscle weighs more than 1 square inch of fat). Thats where I was expecting her to go with it but she didn’t. I think rather than BMI, doctors need to offer body composition because fat percentage AND location matter a lot more for health. If you’re BMI overweight, but most of your fat is in you hips, thighs, and breasts, you’re perfectly fine. Where if you have a ton of visceral fat (around the organs), that’s where it will have significant health impacts. But BMI is cheap 🫠
omg same!! I blame Pinterest grunge aesthetic and skins for my addiction to cigarettes, I smoked for 7 years and I just quit a week ago bc I turned 24 and I really didn't keep going with it!!
The funny thing is, I was little back in the 90s but I can’t see any of my family who was older and more aware getting into Pinterest or using the word ‘aesthetic’ like it’s important. There’s pics of 5 year old me dressed up in a way too big nirvana shirt, ripped jeans, and a flannel that was about down to my knees courtesy of my teenage cousins. I think a part of me never got out of that. A lot of it was anti-fashion that became a counter culture. You didn’t set out to look good or fashionable, but you looked interesting because nothing had to be perfect. Your unstyled hair, chipped nail polish, naturally distressed pants, mid-matched socks, and patched up flannel or jacket weren’t on purpose, but welcome, because it showed you were busy living life, seeing bands, and having fun, rather than obsessing about how you look. I’ve talked to my cousins and my parents and they don’t get it… especially when people spend $200 on pants that look like you got them as a hand me down from a family member.
I was 16 in 2000. It wasn't just about being thin. It was - thin, with six-pack and bigger breasts (which you couldn't have being that thin, unless you had surgery). As you said, it's always about setting unrealistic standards, so that you need to PAY for something. Trends may change, but I think that we at least know now that people have different bodies and that's ok. One more thing I don't miss about early 2000s - I'm naturally pale and it's hard/impossible for me to be tanned. But it was unthinkable to show skin if you're pale :D "Don't wear skirt in summer if your legs are white!" Just one more example of how rigid standards were back then.
Yea and I remember it getting even worse around 2005-2006 when a bunch of celebrities lost a bunch of weight all at once. Then they introduced size 00 and everyone wanted to be that size.
Ok, hear me out, this is a whole essay, BUT 😂: I feel like somewhere within the conversation of the curvy era (2010s), we forgot that skinny never left and was always in. I’ll admit, being a skinny girl around this time was hard, especially as someone who’s Black. Which requires an even deeper conversation for communities of color because curviness was always celebrated and skinny bodies were not. However, this is not to say that skinny shaming is the same as fat phobia. Bcuz even amidst this, skinny bodies were still put on a pedestal in relation to curviness on a mainstream level. Especially in the early 2000s where (as you said), SOME white women viewed big butts as taboo and might I add “low-class.” I think a lot of people forgot this because of the IG models and introduction of body positivity. Although some of it was genuine and allowed us to view bodies in a healthier manner, there was still some exclusivity to the idea. The fashion industry is a great example of this because it’s a billion dollar system that has shaped beauty standards for years. Although, some fashion houses became more “inclusive” and had plus size models or anyone who wasn’t a size 0, there were still certain aspects of skinny that remained. Even with the IG model body type. A woman’s proportions still had to have minimal fat, a flat stomach, and god forbid she had stretch marks. This is why I always viewed the curvy era/phenomenon as an act of cherry-picking what fit the aesthetic and what did not. It sucks because it really damaged the idea of body image. Therefore, giving soooo many girls body dysmorphia and eating disorders. Now that we’re on the other side of it, I’m honestly scared to see what’s next and hope one day, we call all just adopt an idea of body neutrality. Okay, that’s it. Thanks for coming to my TEDTALK!!!🥰🥰🥰❤️
Also, I know I don’t speak for all. But as a Black woman, I really appreciated your first video and was not offended. I think most understood that you weren’t making blanket statements ❤️
i 100% agree. i am black and Caribbean so being thin is a lifetime of bullying from everyone around you. this era especially made it hard to even exist bc now even girls in the media were curvier. however no matter what happens, thinness stays! and its so sad...
@@janaekelis yeah, it can definitely be a confusing time to be in. Especially with media, family opinions, and so forth. But I’m sending positive love your way!! ❤️
I will add that being bigger was seen as a sign of wealth in poor countries. Aka you can afford to eat. Black people must still carry this subconsciously because even European countries still carry this. In Ireland, its common to hear someone say to someone with a big butt and hips that they'll survive the winter and being pregnant 😂
I am a white girl that was naturally born with big hips, thighs, and bottom. In grade school, I was made fun of for this. In my high school years, suddenly I became idolized and praised by my peers and was sexualized by all around for something I could not help. People in this society are completely brainwashed whenever it comes to beauty standards. They will mindlessly follow these people they decide are attractive and desperately wish to replicate them. It's so toxic for everyone involved. 🤦🏻♀️
Same, except I’m clearly a lot older than you, since for me I was in my 20’s when the curvy body became popular. I was extremely confused 😅. It took me like 5 years to realize it was a real trend.
@@mastersnet18Same! (90s Baby here). I actually had a pretty much perfect hour glass (judging by old photos, not that I saw it back then). Also have an upturned/bubbly nose and very full lips (for my ethnicity, I’m white). I used to think I was fat, had a face like a pug, classmates told me I was King Kong, had a butt like a bus, was the “turn off”-girl etc. The boys my age told me I was disgusting whereas much older men hit on me regularly. Girls told me I was fat and ugly. Looking at old photos? I had a freaking hourglass shape, nice full lips and a slightly wider than “perfect” button nose. Life was horrible in the OOs in Central Europe for girls who looked like me. One thing I do find interesting is that some of the features I was bullied for were suddenly seen as desirable. And that these are much more common in other ethnicities! I was never bullied for my light hair. Or my fairly pale skin. But big lips? Butt and thighs? Smaller but wider than average nose? Low nose bridge? These were seized upon. I seems as if I was bullied for not conforming to (white) beauty standards sufficiently. even though I come from the very middle of Europe!
pale grunge thinness romanticisation has DEF comeback in the form of the coquette it girl pink pilates princess wonyoungism trends. it might not seem as prominent to everyone but i guess ive noticed due to being in fashion communities and generally high fashion is moving towards extreme thin bodies & designs that cater to it again
it’s honestly so sneaky the way it’s cropping back up again. i was really into tumblr in the 2010s and was thus subjected to pro-ED culture (and other questionable facets of the internet) as a tween/young teen. i now have a healthier relationship with food and my body, though i do still occasionally struggle, but a few weeks ago i was flabbergasted when i got a series of tiktoks on my fyp, almost all in a row, that were so eerily reminiscent of ED tumblr in the 2010s. and they weren’t flamboyantly advocating for disordered behaviors but they definitely subtly glamorized them in a way that even i as a 23-year-old who has done a lot of growing from that time in my life, a small part of my brain was like, “well what if i barely ate and got super skinny and small and PRETTY?”. it’s honestly soooo scary that i could get thrown back into the mindset so easily, even for just a moment.
I think an even BIGGER example of "skinny never went out" is just looking over at East Asian beauty standards. they are TRULY living up to skinny never going out because even in in 2010's, skinny was still in, it was in in the 90's right now and the trends were EVEN MORE TOXIC. I remember hearing that one Kpop idol only ate ice cubes for a week to lose 15 pounds. Although the west has its ups and downs in beauty trends, the east has firmly stuck to pale, skinny, tall but not to tall, big eyes, smooth skin and light hair and eyes. No matter the aesthetic or occasion, you have to be skinny in Asia
their thin standard is thousands of years old. I remember hearing of that one chinese royal(?) woman who was so thin she could "dance on her palm." No hope over there. The standard is to be underweight, plain and simple.
Beauty standards have also shifted over time in Asia-- it would certainly be wrong to say that thin has been the standard for thousands of years. The most notable example is the Tang Dynasty where the standard was to be chubby/full figured
Yeah, what Momo went through to still debut was horrible. For some context, the group twice was formed in a survival show called sixteen. Momo was eliminated as she was a phantastical dancer, but not so good at singing/rapping, her voice also didn't really fit the cute concept they were going to have. Because of that she was eliminated. However seing as the group still needed an autstanding dancer, jyp gave her the chance to still debut if she managed to lose 15 pounds in a week. Thus lead to Momo taking drastic measurements to reach the goal and feeling like she was about to die
I mean, overall, it's still in to not have a lot of fat and to be skinny, but if you compare 4gen with 2gen you will see that aside from a few exception like the visuals (wonyoung, yuna, etc) the average idol weighs more than they used to (probably thanks to the honey thigh era and the sexy concepts). Now you can even see some idols going down the sport route instead of solely using starvation (even though they are 3rd gen, I have to mention twice here. Like, Momo and Jihyo have been seeving with their biceps since 2018, but started really delivering since 2020)
I would add that ableism very much contributes to the skewed idea of health/looking healthy. There are so many people with ‘invisible’ illnesses that look ‘healthy’, this also contributes to being taken less seriously by medical professionals and people in general because ‘you look healthy so nothings wrong’.
Looking back on the 2000’s I’m horrified at how society and the media would treat women who were above a size 2. It’s even more ridiculous considering that clothing sizes still vary based on the designer/store. I really hope that this toxic body trend doesn’t have a revival because it would become astronomically more toxic, damaging and dangerous because of the state of social media today.
@@mastersnet18 not like i want this to happen at all, but like... if a store like that was named 'binary'...? like brandy melville but worse 🥲 edit: "binary" 1s and 0s lmfao--
I was a teenager and thought I was fat. I look back at my old photos and I was perfectly average and healthy and I'm horrified I ever thought I was too fat.
Women's insecurities are one of the most profitable businesses. Fitness, looks, MAKEUP, fashion are just a few MAAAAJOR examples of this. Once you understand you don't NEED to follow trends, you don't NEED all that makeup, you don't NEED to look in a certain way just because that's what the media bombards you with, you will be FREE. Set your own standards,never follow trends. *Edited to add*: For those who workout, you don't need fancy clothing to exercise either, exercise is free, going out for a walk/run is free. if you are serious about exercise the minimum you need is a good pair of running shoes (which will last you a while) and a cheap set of adjustable dumbbells. That's it. That's how it used to be before social media and the fitness industry blowing up. When I started exercising I wore a 2-3$ top and pants . The exercise itself is more important than any kind of fancy expensive clothing. Are you working out to improve yourself or for attention? The serious women gym goers or those who love to exercise don't give a crap about what they wear or how they look, the most important thing to them is to finish their planned workout and reach their goals.
I was a teenager in the 90s and early 2000s and boy, do I remember the times when every top was a super tight crop top (even thick sweaters you would wear in december) and the pants were all bell-bottoms that sat uncomfortably deep on your hip (but were also supertight!). We were all collectively sucking in our stomachs all the time. And also constantly freezing in winter. I know women are really afraid of getting older, but tbh being 40+ is not bad at all. I feel free to ignore body trends and aesthetics now and just wear what I enjoy and what makes me feel good. I hope every woman gets there eventually.
Bless you for going over how dangerous BBLs are. It seems like not many people know. Wild how transferring fat to your ass can kill you but it sure put me off the idea(i just like body mods and considered moving some fat around until learning that). Everybody getting buccal fat removal now is gonna be so upset when their face sags to hell and back as they age. That fat is there for a reason.
I’m late to this but BBL era was still being skinny in my opinion because you had to have a tiny waist and big butt. You were still considered “fat” if you had a big bit, boobs and not a flat stomach. So in a way, I think it’s just redefined “skinny”
I was a teenager in the skinny 70s. Back then, if you didnt see ribs and hip bones in the mirror, you were fat. The motto was Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. A moment on the lips is a kilo on the hips.I have to manage an eating disorder to this day.
I think something that isn't mentioned but needs to be is..the fat phobia alot of times its internalized fatphobia. We're scared we will be fat and we shame ourselves for it. I'm fatphobic to myself, but not anyone else. My internalized feelings towards myself don't impact how I see other people.
Except yes they do. Just like internalized misogyny, these mindsets that are drilled into us impact how we subconsciously treat other people, and how we speak to them and about them.
But how do you internalise this so deeply and then not at all react in a fat phobic way when you see other people? I'm genuinely asking, btw. I feel its hard to imagine anyone not to have at least subconscious bias when they themselves think of their own body in a deeply fat phobic way
@@IlkaWaffy because people don’t want to think that they are biased, when in reality everyone is biased. Overweight people can be fatphobic. People who are deeply insecure or fatphobic towards themselves end up projecting and judging other people whether they realize or not. Anything that affects your mindset strongly does impact the way you view and treat people. But nobody ever thinks they are the problem 🫠 I’m not saying this person specifically is rude or bad to other people because of it, but it is highly likely they don’t realize the extent of their bias. I mean just think about it. If your biggest fear is that you’re going to look like Mary over there, and you consider yourself worthless or are mean to yourself because one day you MIGHT look like Mary…how are you really thinking about Mary?
@@Jellybeansatduski think there’s nuance to this, though. for example, i don’t love my thin lips, but i think they are really flattering and cute on other people. i don’t think they’re a bad trait 100% of the time- i’d prefer myself with larger ones, and can recognize that simultaneously some people actually look better with smaller ones. i understand fatness might not be an exact 1:1 comparison here, but my point is that the mind doesn’t only use black and white thinking all the time when it comes to physical appearance.
sorry but someone wanting to loose weight is NOT fatphobic. y'all forgetting that at the end of the day being overweight or obese is usually unhealthy, and doctors would literally advise you to loose weight ☠️ I will never understand this argument.
Using Ozempic as a weight loss drug is crazy!! Why do people use ridiculous means to achieve their “dream body” but sacrifice their health?? That truly makes me so sad :(
omg i’m gonna need a whole vid on the rise of smoking for “aesthetics”. i’ve been smoking for about 4 years now and i’m only 18 and it was so hard but i finally managed to quit a few months back. and it’s so infuriating to see how popular it is everywhere especially if you’re around my age because you cannot escape it and specifically how it has become an accessory for instagram pics.
My mom was shocked to find out that big butts became a trend because when she was young it was considered unattractive and she really hated hers. She really wanted a skinny butt and a flat chest. And I have no doubt that many generations of women before her also hated their bodies because they didn't fit into the "trends" of their times. It's so sad and fucked up.
I love how your able to correct yourself and apologize in a meaningful way without making it the forefront of your video. You heard people’s criticism and fixed what you did wrong in a very great way! People should be taking notes!!!! ❤❤❤ love the video as well! You did amazing.
Wow! I have been saying for years, and telling my children how black girls and women were made fun of for having a “slim thick” body. You are literally the first person on yt I’ve heard mentioned it.
Great vid; I also thought of how women with certain (typically ethnic) features only become appreciated for them… once they become an object of desire. I still remember being made to feel insecure about my lips until big lips became popular. It isn’t actually fair-or even body positive-to only claim confidence about yourself only because they were granted social value. It’s really just objectification and it’ll only be temporary…
this makes zero sense, coming from someone who is a women of colour themselves. one, white women can have big lips, why do y'all act like it's uncommon. if anything, a blonde black girl is less common than a white girl with bigger lips. also i think you have a stereotypical view of what different races look like, especially in regards to girls. I’ve seen naturally skinny black girls, and curvier white women. definitely black women are more known for their booties, but if you go to scandinavia or Eastern Europe, you'll see women w/ larger breasts. even some ashkenazi jewish women have bigger busts. but overall it's disgusting and wrong to associate different features with certain races, especially ones already eroticized. i have a feeling you're gonna claim non-black women who have a stereotypical “black” body are contributing to cultural appropriation ☠️. overall stop shaming people for their bodies, period.
@@flawlessfrenchfrie I'm not the one who created these different stereotypes, whether or not they are exclusive to the races they've been typecast too. What makes a feature "ethnic" doesn't have to do with the fact white people can also have them but that they've literally been racialized by the west against bipoc. Big lips were made fun of on black people and were used to characterize them while thin lips have been considered a Eurocentric beauty standard. You can take it up with those people how not all black people have big lips and some white people do. I'm just pointing out how beauty standards have mostly excluded bipoc because western beauty standards centre a very specific image of whiteness.
@@youtubesupportsfascism I'm not fighting to keep them alive, it's literally just the case. Not that there's really a point in arguing with someone whose username is "RU-vid supports fascists"...
@@sapphic.flower you are those people, otherwise you wouldn't have made such a comment. first of all, "ethnic" isn't synonymous with "non-white" everybody is ethnic lmfaoo 💀 and yes they were made fun of for having big lips but it was because they were black, not because of their lips specifically, that's why i don't get why this is tied to race. and stop using the term "eurocentric" omfg, not every european looks like they're swedish, some even pass for being a poc. also wtf are you saying "bipoc" aren't east asians also made fun of for their features? not exactly sure why you excluded them 😬
@@sapphic.flower you literally assume that all black and white women, or just any women in a specific racial group in general looks a certain way… this video wasn't even about race and you just had to bring it up, correct? 🤡 it's so funny how people try to be anti-racist as possible that they go backwards and actually become racist, shaking my head..
Social media runs the world. Had I never downloaded Pinterest/tumblr in 6th grade MAYBE I never would have discovered the ED culture and developed my own ED. I’m 21 and still dealing with this everyday. All because of an app.
Id like to point out that body shapes were trends wayyyyy before capitalism. The difference now is that we wear so fewer clothes that the body itself has to change. Look at the puffy sleeves and shinched waist of elizabethan England all the way to the boyish square silhouette of an edwardian lady. It used to be that a woman would pad and wear different corsets/ stays to create the shape. Now that we dont wear corsets the body itself has to change
@@jordansmith9176very limited forms of capitalism in most cases. The trends were less about needing to sell stuff. They were more about emulating the ruling class. King thinks he has great legs and wants to show them off. The upper-class follows, their servants get new uniforms, to flatter the king in emulation of his great style. Capitalism sells what people want to buy, but what people want to buy is what someone who we perceive as important uses. Capitalism can take advantage of it, and lie what they are using. People don't buy things advertised by Kim Kardashian, because they were advertised, they buy it because it's Kim Kardashian.
Often the changes had widely different reasons - the super wide skirts worn by European upper classes were partly about women taking up space and there are existing drawings from the time of men mocking these women whilst the skirt continued to get wider. So historical dress often has a lot of different context behind it (just like modern trends do today). Abby Cox does some really great videos (in general but particularly) about the history of women's dress and how it changes And as capitalism is usually understood to begin in the 1500s it is likely that capitalism played a role, if not in establishing the demand for each new trend then at least in supplying that demand. After all, where are women getting their stays and corsets and pads from? They're buying them, which feeds into capitalism anyway But very true how the body now has to change because we don't wear pads. Rather than buying the accessories, we buy a workout plan to build a corset of muscles
@@jordansmith9176no they weren’t. The modern form of capitalism we would recognise today didn’t emerge in England until the 18th century. The Elizabethans didn’t dress the way the did because of capitalism. That’s incorrect and anachronistic.
You explaining 'pale grunge' and me realizing that I am apparently a way out of date 'pale grunge girly', the docs, the fishnets, the all black, the vampy make-up, I'm still doing it haha. Except I'm not skinny so I never really saw myself as fitting any aesthetic.
Loving the uploads, i realised that thinness never went away its always the baseline to beauty standards cuz fatphobia like literal fear and hatred of being perceived as and being fat is literally the basis to all of these standards thus fit teas and also the body shaming of everyone above a two.
One of the things that i think is so insidious about making body types a trend is that you cant have multiple at a time and often people only have one body type period (without plastic surgery of course)
Imagine if we could all just time travel to the era when our natural shapes were in fashion? I find the fact that body size, shape, and even colour being fashions that change so sickening. Diversity is wonderful and needs to be embraced in every area of life.
I never had an ED but I lost several kilos to mononucleosis and weighted 45kg. I developed health issues and went to see my gp. She told me my shape was beautiful and she wished she was the same! I’ll never forget this visit…
Wow thanks for saying it, I would get so mad when people would say “now thickness is the beauty standard, thin girls need body positivity too etc…” Like these people are SO out of touch!!! Thickness was only ever celebrated when it came with a small waist, stomach, arms, calves, etc. It was never really thickness but surgically enhanced bodies that were the trend! Small bodies and thinness has always been the beauty standard!
Oh wow the banana girl reminded me of a guy I was dating. He was vegan (most likely still is today) and he showed her to me one day and said to me “THIS is the dream body” honestly that wasn’t the biggest red flag but that was defo one of the bigger ones😅
I’m gonna say it now: as someone who’s health was completely destroyed by being too underweight, “skinny” isn’t worth it. I’ve never regretted something more in my entire life than I have being “skinny”. It’s a struggle to express just how bad my health is now because of this
flat tummies are just something i can't comprehend, i mean, i don't even know how one can end up w/ no fat on your stomach, but i guess my parents weren’t doing the correct position.
5:41 obviously colonialism and racism played a huge part in why the BBL was a slap in the face with white people suddenly deciding these features were acceptable. It’s also true that a large bum and curves aren’t exclusive phenotypes to WOC. Growing up in the 90s I experienced a lot of white women around me shamed for having a curvy body, being told they were fat, having fat removed from their bums only to be later told they need to put it back. There are crazy beauty standards within the white community and if you don’t fit them you’re considered fat (even if you’re not) whereas within a lot of POC communities there is more of an internal acceptance of larger bodies (ignoring the pressures that come from eurocentricity and white populations).
It's actually starting to really piss me off that there's this narrative that only black women have big hips, big thighs, curly hair,big lips. If you go into your local town, even if everyone's white , you'll see a plethora of women of different weights, sizes, shapes, heights, hair textures... Hardly anyone is actually "thin" Most of my family, are curvy and we are mostly white, English and Irish . As far as I'm concerned, models of colour, dominate the modelling industries because they're seen as so beautiful. And they are beautiful. Nobody can say xyz traits belong to a race that is also getting bbl's, boobs jobs ect
@@HillbillyYEEHAAwomen of color do not "dominate" the modeling industry. There's no shortage of white models and the women of color are there to meet a diversity quota. Secondly, certain features are more prominent among people of certain races/ethnicities, even if not exclusive. You guys are being dense on purpose. If everyone could have the same features, no one would be able to identify anyone's racial background or racially profile, and yet it happens everyday. White women just hate acknowledging that they have certain desired features less often.
That's true. You're considered fat no matter what. There's never a perfect weight, shape. I was "fat" when I was 60kg, even if for my height it was still below my normal weight lol. I naturally have big chest, but not so much on my hips or butt. 😂 I try to not care, because at the end of the day, if someone loves me for not looking perfect, I win.
@@HillbillyYEEHAA NO ONE IS SAYING THAT ONLY BLACK PEOPLE HAVE THOSE FEATURES. If you have enough common sense to comprehend what they are saying then you would understand. WOC was made fun of and discriminated against due to their features and how people stereotype black people with only have large lips, being thicker and having black phenotypes . Then those features became popular which made people get procedures done to have those features. Part of the reason being skinny is the standard in the white community is due to racism against black people .
I'm a dude watching this and I think have male body ideals have gotten worse too. Dudes are literally getting plastic abs and fake muscles. A lot of guys have body dysmorphia but its talked about less.
Yes, while body shape as fashion has always affected girls and women more, it's increasingly affecting boys and men, thanks to social media. This is clear in the statistics on eating disorders spreading more and more amongst boys and men.
And steroids too. It's definitely talked about way less but gym culture and fitness influencers/magazines definitely promote a certain ideal male body which is just as impossible to maintain. Which makes sense because if capitalism can profit from women's insecurity, why not profit from men's too?
You’re actually very articulate and you described how most black women have those kinds of genetics but not all, it didn’t come across wrong for me- because tbh there are more black women with thick genetics than those without. I’m 24 now but I’ve always had hips, boobs and butt. So yeah the bbls do remind me of a less realistic fake version of my own body. It still made me feel self conscious though when that trend was still being introduced.
@@cenicerooHer workouts just are largely ineffective to achieve whatever she claims they do. Bodyweight workouts like her are great to be introduced to fitness and move your body but they will not grow muscles in the way she claims they are, they will not allow you to pick and chose what muscle you want to grow and which you don’t (legs vs butt) and they surely will not alter your bone structure to give you a smaller waist. All that to say you will not look like her even if you do everything she tells you to. It’s obvious that she got surgery and heavily edits her photos and it’s sad that she still acts as if buying her stuff would make anyone look like her. Also: there are literally videos of her training with fitness influencers in which she admits to not really knowing much about working out. This also goes for a lot of fitness influencers.
Omg yes the 2010's vegan youtube scene was so so so unhinged 😂 I remember trying to take their advice and ate like 7 kiwis or a whole pineapple for lunch at work and ofc then felt like shit. And my co-workers would look at my "meal" like I had gone mad 😂
thinness never really left. around 2017-18, when the bbl body was still the hype, i was 12-13. i'm from a south american country where having a slim thick body is praised and the beauty stardard. my body was/is naturally like that, skinny but with curves specially around the hips and thighs, but i still was shamed for being "fat". it went on for years and hearing that while hearing from other people that my body is perfect really messed my self image up, specially given my age at that time. i still struggle a lot with my body and self steem and have disorded eating since that time. and at that time i wasn't into social media, it was what people said to me that made me like that. beauty standards are really messed up, people feel entitled to comment on your body just because it doesn't look a certain way. being vulnerable in the era of social media really is terrible, i'm glad i realized a few apps weren't doing me well and got rid of them. i'm still trying to heal and feel comfortable in my body, and even without being exposed to contents that may trigger me, there's still a tiny voice in the back of my head that makes me insecure and overthink.
it's inaccurate to say that skinny was ever "out of fashion" in the 2010s. thin bodies were still over-represented in mainstream media, especially in the fashion industry. also look at how popular brandy melville was/still is I may be over-generalising but the slim thick body type is usually presented in a very sexualised way which means a lot of women/girls won't find it aspirational because they're uncomfortable being perceived that way. this then leaves a lot of people who may instead end up idealising thinness. but that's just a theory I came up with on the spot as I was writing this comment so there are probably more aspects to consider here
90s thinness definitely hit everyone hard, i remember watching poetic justice for the first time and hearing tupac (his character) tell janet jackson her butt was too big in an argument and she talked to her friend about going on a diet shortly after. it definitely put a lot into perspective of the times 😅
I watched the first while cleaning and imma watch this when I go to the dmv tomorrow 🤣 love you girlie thank you for being so devoted to full context and truthful information 🫶
27:58 that's from a song from the Neighbourhood, another music titan during that tumblr era that fit the aesthetic of black and white and being sad, they sang sweater weather
OMG yes, to what you're saying about the fitness industry (at around @9:00) and ppl listening to any influencer!! I've been a fitness instructor since the mid 00's and a few years ago I went into academic work and did some research on fitness and the issue of people believing influencers, who look good but have no fitness credentials, came up in my research as a HUGE problem real trainers are facing. it is scary what unscientific, impossible stuff some people will believe because an influencer promises anyone can look like them! Also, I love that you mentioned body builders here. They are participating in a *sport* that requires some pretty extreme measures. They are not doing every day fitness activities for general health & well being. Our schooling, pop culture etc conflates sport with fitness and good health all the time and it's terrible. Fitness and sport are SO not the same thing!
Love that you talk about the 2014 pale grunge trend here... When I point out that being extremely thin was part of the aesthetic, people who weren't apart of the trend get mad at me and girls who were apart of the trend say "yes, and it contributed to my ED"!!! The extra dumb thing about extreme thinness being part of the aesthetic was that this era of fashion looked good on EVERYONE, regardless of size! I will argue with anyone any day that clothing trends can and do look good on everyone regardless of body type, as long as the clothes fit you (ie, aren't too small). I think it's absolutely horrible and unhealthy to tell people that they should just avoid a trend if they're not skinny, which is something someone told me just a couple weeks ago when I was talking about the pale grunge revival on social media. No, just no, I will not avoid anything for the sake of fitting into some stupid unrealistic body standard, and neither should anyone else, and that includes people who are skinny, people who are fat, aka, any body type!
BMI of like 42 here. I'll admit that physically muscularly I'm out of shape, but my last physical a couple of months ago all my blood work and urine analysis and body scans came back in the normal range, yes, even my blood pressure and glucose levels. My husband that's in physical better shape than me was like "man, you're technically healthier than me". Everyone, even my doctor (and we live in France by the way) stopped commenting on my weight after they saw/heard my results, lol. Seriously, it took me having a full complete physical done to have certain people shut up about my size.
A BMI of 42 is huge. It’s not mechanically healthy for your joints for one thing. Also fat is not inert. Adipose tissue is a major endocrine organ and it produces hormones. Having too much fat on your body is not healthy. We’ve become delusional as a society to keep perpetuating this myth.
The Beauty Myth is such a good book on explaining how beauty standards for women have become a lot heavier since second-wave feminism in the 1970s!! It was written in the 90s so is a bit outdated but it was still very insightful and put a lot of my feelings into words so would defo recommend (there are some detailed stats on violence against women and sexual violence tho which are a bit triggering).
the very scary part is, this internalized fear of being perceived as fat is so ingrained in our brains and on such level, that most people wouldn't even notice it in themselves, but it's still here. i think that the more awareness we have about this internalized fatphobia our society has, the better, bc that way we can recognize it and go "actually this is stupid" and maybe by small steps we can undo this damage someday......just trying to be positive
It's sad that our bodies and faces are treated as trends. And unrealistic standards are pushed to women. When I smoked, drank Zero sugar drinks. I could NOT think & concentrate properly, I couldn't stand up fast without potentially passing out. When I would be cold all of the time. And also loose my circulation. I would get triggering comments from people, which would feed my disorder . I actually hate how as women we are fed by the media, parents etc that looking ‘thin’ in the ‘right places’ is the beauty standard, and loosing weight is good thing. And then people wonder why body image issues are increasing for women and men 💀
I think a connection is that female ideal has always been obsessed with a thin waist and flat stomach. I think as long as we will have that as an ideal, it doesnt matter how we change things around it. Thin ideal has it, bbl figure has it, slender figure has it, fitness figure hs it... theres no time where women are allowed to have a tummy. I think that will always push people to try and be thin
Can say i am much healthier now that I am ‘overweigh’ than when I was 10lbs underweight but the right look. I started lifting a lot more as I moved on the farm and at first I hated that now I am ‘too big’ but realistically it helps me do my job. I consider it a huge success that I can care two full buckets of water without much effort but I used to struggle with only one. I used to barely be able to help out with any of the heavy lifting as well, where as now I can carry as much or more than most of the people. Yet every time I go to the dr they just say all my issues are because I am overweight without usually listening much past that. Almost no one asks what I do for work or if I feel that my weight is slowing be down any. All of my health issues so far were genetic since they were present when I was very thin, so it is just odd the difference in perception when I bring things up ( ex. Joint pain is dismissed now but as a thin person it was taken way more serious. I have had the same dr my whole life)
It really is. I’ve had times where I’ve been so drained about my looks that I’ve sat there putting on my makeup, and thinking to myself “what if I just stopped living up to these standards” I don’t have the guts to. But it is exhausting, and it’s more exhausting as you get older in some ways, because you need to put more effort and money into Your looks.
Shout to you for doing research and providing resources! Your opinion is absolutely valid, and I appreciate you sharing it responsibly. I think your most salient point is that most major body trends are rooted in making people insecure enough to spend money.
omg ur so right !!! not enough people talk about how many peoples (esp men's) fitness plans are lowkey just eating disorders 🤨 like ive know guys that dont season their food bc of extra calories, dont eat bread, work out every day, calorie count etc...
I was a vegetarian who survived on a lot of fruits and veggies for many years, and I was pretty sick the majority of the time. Always tired, always cold, always sluggish. But I thought I was so healthy because I was stick thin. I’m a lot heavier now but since I started eating lean meats I actually feel so much healthier.
"Georgia Smith doesn't even know you fucking exist!" Had me rolling, it's such an apt description of how deluded men can be in their obsession with stanger's bodies
when talking about tumblr nobody says how everyone of us FEARED sharing our blog with friends or the idea of someone in our rl finding it out, with the rise of video content becoming the mainstream way of 'being' in social media we forget how intense the anonymity make us say or reinforce those ideas of whiteness, thinness or mental illness/: WHEN WE SAY TUMBLR WAS WILD, IT WAS!
My aunt had died to liposuction in another country due to blood related issues as well, not much after the surgery. She couldn't even come back home before she passed. What makes me so upset is that, like mentioned in this video, despite being black, her body still wasn't 'of the trend' in the 2010's. Regardless, she was genuinely beautiful and we told her whenever she doubted it, but those mere words don't change how someone could see there was a clear narrative that spoke against that. This is why despite this loss & the fact that I would do anything to go back stop her from following through, I STILL don't judge women for getting plastic surgery, because there IS a benefit to your perception because of it even if it can hurt you. The standards of beauty can consume us if we view that as important is our social perception unfortunately.
Thanks for your video, I definitely liked it. On thinness: I have always struggled to have a 'normal' BMI. I always was a teeny tiny bit underweight. Not because I wanted to be, but because for some reason or another, weightgain was really hard for me. Now I am finally firmly in the normal weight category, I am 33 years old; and let me tell you: For the first time in my entire life I am not always suffering from the cold. Previously, it could have been 36 degrees celcius outside, and I could have been freezing, winters were unbearable to me. The most awful part about this is: Whenever I see my arms in the mirror these days and see more than skin and bones, something in me is conditioned to call myself not as pretty as I used to be. All while I relish not feeling cold all the time. What beauty standards media manages to drill into our skulls is awful.
Fantastic video! Truly such madness what women's beauty standards have gone through. One can hope there will be more focus on women's inner qualities in the future.
omg I remember the vegan diet movement in 2010's, I used to put Freelee the Banana girl on such a pedestal and would follow every advice she had, for quite a long time. Now that I look back at it I kinda realize how almost 'cultlike' she was and the types of things she'd say and do to push her beliefs, it was so toxic, definitely not a great influence for me when I was younger. I never regret the veganism part though, I was vegan for 8 years and I still think veganism is great. Just not raw and just not solely for weight loss reasons.
I think something else worth noting is that the early-mid 2010s had a big emphasis on authenticity and being open. RU-vidrs, musicans/bands, etc felt a lot of pressure to reveal personal things, to be more transparent and put a lot of emphasis on "a day in my life," video type things. That led a lot of people to believe that everything they saw was real unless it was very obvious. Now, it seems like more people, at least younger people, tend to not believe things as quickly, but at the same time, it's also easier to get trapped in certain patterns through things like recommended posts and related videos, and so on. Now it's also getting harder to spot photo and even video editing, especially with so many new AI powered tools that are only getting more believable with each update. I think, more than ever, those in positions of influence over kids and teens, especially parents, teachers, and media outlets, need to be careful with the language used to describe bodies, and how people's appearance gets talked about. There was some really damaging saying when I was little, and even in late elementary and middle school (ages 11-14 or so) I remember kids in the class complaining about their bodies, and saying they needed diets, and all kinds of stuff, but like, you're still growing at that point, and changes are normal. It also grosses me out when adults, especially adult men, talk about girls bodies and the changes of growing up as bad... Like, is that not a red flag, if a guy finds someone less attractive as they enter adulthood? Creepy... Same with guys who think all women should be totally hairless except for their heads. Like, growing up happened and you should appreciate that.
yeah being thin was never gone, the society that we see around us daily can prove that. It just takes to lose some weight and suddenly people around you are treating you better, like you matter more. It is super sad....
I spent SO MUCH time on pale grunge tumblr that my top 10 of the decade was entirely artists from that two year period lmao Absolutely agree about wallowing in sickness as an aesthetic, it was so important to be damaged yet beautiful (thin). It was a crazy way to come of age.
This isn’t to co-opt or say it’s the same, AT ALL, but just to validate that you get sexualized if you have a big butt no matter the skin color - I naturally have that body type, and I’m very white lol. Even as a teen I would be getting hit on by much older men, constantly, and asked to grab drinks or do things for them. This started at 14 and just continued from there. I’m petite but have a large booty and the treatment is insane. I can’t imagine how that would’ve felt if I’d had racialized features as well
I hit puberty really early and have always had a larger bum and smaller waist (hour glass in my teens now more pear shaped) and I remember growing up HATING my body and wanting to be thin like my friends. Everything in media said being bigger was bad. ANTM did so much damage to how I saw myself as a young girl, season 1 had Robyn who was only like 130 lbs and almost 6ft and she was dubbed the fat one. I remember when Jessica Simpson gained a little weight and the NEWS called her fat, she was only like 135 or 140, still really tiny. Social media has only made it worse in my opinion. Now that curvy is in, it’s still really hard to like how I look and it’s still hard to find pants and dresses that I think look flattering on me, even when everyone else says it’s a good fit. I know I look good objectively, like I check off the boxes, but how I see myself is so off. The flip flopping of women’s body trends (which I hate is an actual thing) is so damaging and I really hope it stops one day. It’s exhausting.
I'm just at the start of the vid, so idk if you're gonna mention this, but I've also seen predictions that we're going back to the 80s body builder trend. And I can so see that happening. So many people I know are buying gym memberships, and I see a ton of accounts bragging about gym routines. Plus the whole "muscle mommy" thing. So yeah, I think in addition to thin, I bed there's also going to be an emphasis on muscle
I just started my period and I feel awful but I honestly got so happy when I saw you uploaded a video for some reason Your personality just cheers me up! Even if the subject isn’t a necessarily happy one I’m always excited to see what you have to say
