As a lifeguard this is a shocking example of lifeguarding. The casualty was clearly unconscious in the water for far too long and should easuly have been spotted especially in a pool that is this quiet. If it had not been for the swimmer who first alerted the lifeguards then this man could easily be dead.
Surprised at how long it took to notice him and get action (run to him get him out of the water run with the AED and like he should have someone there to relieve him or assist him with cpr ( anyone call 911?) like no one is there to help out
🤔 I was a lifeguard when I was 15 and you could see at the start of the video something was going on with the man. Lifeguard wasn’t even running most of the time. Waiting way to long before checking vitals or asking the man next to him in the water for assistance. Person in far lane continues to swim as no warning signal or whistle was sounded. 2nd lifeguard took way too long to come and assist. Sad to see this.
How did he not notice him?? It's not even a crowded pool, everyone is swimming steady, repetitive laps, it's so easy to tell when someone stops. As a lifeguard this was disappointing to see
As a lifeguard, nearly everything about this was wrong. It should take no more than 10 seconds to spot the victim and no more than 20 to get to them. As well, they took to way long to remove them from the water and waited to check vitals…
Theory of 10 and 20 is somewhat flawed in my opinion. Its very easy to miss people - however, not in these circumstances. The pool was mot busy and the lifeguard should have known exactly how many people are in the pool and even if he couldnt see the guy, he should have realised he couldnt see him and investigated.
This video should be titled "smart swimmer spots drowning man and alerts blind lifeguards" I respect lifeguards but you can't zone out of your job, it's life or death!
The fact that they were alerted by the swimmers is devastating & also when the time when they were alerted & noticed that the man was just floating in the water face down.. the lifeguard still walked like as if nothing was wrong.. bad lifeguards.
Those lifeguards need way better training van that I hope this man made it they should have started CPR way earlier and the first lifeguard should have started doing rescue breaths in the water
They also should have asked the flippers man for assistance getting him out of the water instead of waiting for the board. I know training says wait but that looks like a zero entry pool so you could pull him up with the flippers man. Also, considering he looks like a healthy teen they could have definetley saved 30 seconds there. He should have also instructed that lady to call 911 as soon as the he completed the assessment.
for ya'll saying the real hero is the patron, they should have way more guards on duty that zone is way to far for only one guard to cover, and even if it wasn't that far, they still need another to cover them on stand while they perform the rescue. also you should NEVERRR touch someone drowning if you are not a trained lifeguard, even if you are it is not your facility. now if the lifeguards on duty are doing nothing then you can jump in but you can be doing more harm than good, leave it to the guards
Just because you probably think "oh nothing wont happen these people are always here" , a good lifeguard or anybody who over watches to make sure nothing wont happen will always be on their ten toes.
This saddens me honestly, it does not appear they have clear training with an EAP. The other swimmers are still in the pool and no one is watching. Let me start with the scanning, the lifeguard is distracted or has been way too long on rotation because it is obvious that something is wrong with this swimmer immediately. They are vertical in the water, face is down in the water, and they are not moving all signs of a passive drowning victim. When scanning your job is to scan the top, bottom, and middle of your pool actively. This includes moving around even if you have a elevated tower. As far as this pool goes, they are lucky they got away with this with only two lifeguards covering a large pool like this with numerous sections. That said, it is quite sad that another patron had to point out that this patient was unconscious. During the rescue, the lifeguard drops his tube but doesn't have assistance behind him for quite some time. In reality, he should be utilizing that tube to assist the victim while attempting to check for ABCs. If found to not be breathing or having a pulse you start with rescue breaths in this situation whereas it was "witnessed." It took them way too long to check for a pulse or for breathing rhythm, rate, depth, and quality. In reality, the first breath should've been delivered before the backboard rescue was even attempted. Lifeguard #1 (the one who entered the pool): Good positioning of patient once making that initial contact. But from the video it appears you do not check for ABCs prior to removal from the water and you did not make your needs clear to your partner. As there is no audio I do not know if you informed someone to start 911 so I cannot knock you here. Once the board was in the water, your job is to stabilize the board from sliding out sideways while handing rescuer 2 the patient's hand. Once rescuer 2 had the patient's hand immediately straighten the patient out as he pulls back on the board. Once patient is straightened you can lift the bottom of the backboard to assist your partner. Lifeguard #2: you failed to interpret the situation and support the other lifeguard during the rescue. You should be immediately getting a backboard (not a spinal board) for getting the patient out of the water. While doing this, it would be a good idea to get the AED and a CPR mask in the meantime. Or send one of those other patrons to get the AED and instruct them where it is (the better option.) Once you obtain the board and slide it into the water, your partner should stabilize the board side to side while handing you the patient's hand. Once you have the patient's hand you immediately start sliding them out while your partner is pushing up on the bottom of the board. Once out of the water you immediately start your own primary assessment to confirm or deny what was found in the water. This patient was left alone with nothing being done far too long and far too many times. CPR doesn't get started until a long time after patient is out of the water. Life threats - cardiac arrest secondary to respiratory arrest (in theory what happened) needs to be managed first. Then worry about everything else. Work as a team and you'll have a great outcome. Communication is key here. During CPR your first sets were good quality compressions. But second and third sets were not deep enough and were kind of lackadaisical at best. Your partner should be grabbing the AED and Aid Bag at a minimum at this point to begin 2 rescuer CPR. Also, remember that you have to tilt the head back to give the breaths or you are just filling up their mouth with air nothing else. It looks to be an attempt at applying the AED pads near the end of the video but it is interrupting your chest compressions. Remember that you want no longer than 10 second interruption and it takes 30 compressions to build up enough circulation for the body to perfuse.
@@shady8114 I’m a certified lifeguard, and everything you pointed out is true. Though my question is, why doesn’t he have the CPR mask or seal or anything along these lines with him on his person? When I’m working, (I work at a Waterpark) I have a seal and everything that I might need with attached to me and as soon as I activate the EAP I have my other guards who are on break bring me the backboard if it wasn’t grabbed immediately by the other guards on duty and the AED and oxygen, ETC. I understand that I have a whole lot more guards to help me, but it should be something similar to this. He should not have needed to wait to begin care for his other guard to get to him, especially with how long it took him to respond in the first place. And going back to what I said in the beginning, he wasn’t even properly equipped for his job.
Not only not noticing the man, but also taking his sweet time by WALKING OVER to him… should never be allowed to lifeguard again. Real hero here is the man swimming next to him that noticed him
The title is very misleading. If that swimmer had not stopped and noticed the man he could have drowned. That life guard was obviously not watching the water. That was a very quite pool. Absolutely no excuse for missing that.
this is why competition style pools need to lifeguards. its hard to see the other end at times due to glare, splashing and just the reflection of the bottom of the pool
Lifeguard should have been keeping up with their training. It’s good that they saved him but there were many flaws and many lapses in judgement. Source: I’m a certified Red Cross lifeguard.
1) Why the heck was this guy not spotted sooner? Sure, scanning may have been a bit slow but here's the other thing - why are there only two lifeguards responsible for a pool of this size, and only one out on deck? Especially considering the design of this thing, you should have another lifeguard along the sides or even at the opposite end watching the water. But I suppose that's company policy more than anything since that would require 3 guard shifts. 2) That lifeguard upon recognizing that something was wrong should have immediately signaled to be covered by the other lifeguard and run as fast as he could to the victim. Heck, if the guy was unconscious, he might as well have signaled a major emergency and got things started from there. That other lifeguard took way too long to move into frame or in other words, move at all. 3) Pool should have been cleared because apparently there were only two lifeguards available and therefore no one left to watch the water. But nooo a bunch of swimmers kept on their merry ways until finally stopping and climbing out later on. The lifeguards need to minimize the risk to other swimmers in the pool. 4) Bystander should have been instructed to help and remove the victim from the water. But kudos to snorkel man for spotting this guy in the first place and checking on him. 5) Can someone explain why they decided, upon establishing that the man was unconscious, to immediately stabilize the man and prepare him for spinal board usage? There was no reason to suspect a spinal injury. Is this some American approach? Or company policy again? 6) Edit: Well apparently this was a thing that Americans are trained under so never mind. 7) 2:19, why is he checking breathing again? Did he think the man would start breathing once he was removed from the water? 8) What in the world was he doing at 2:56-3:10? It doesn't take that long to do two breaths... Also, for all of you lot who are saying we should be lighter on this kid, no we should not. Lifeguards receive special training in first aid and aquatic emergency situations. Sure, we're not as good as paramedics, but we are better than Jimmy McLee over there who has no first aid training. Being a lifeguard means being responsible for a pool, the patrons, and other lifeguards. The response time and actions of these two lifeguards shows either their lack of training, their unpreparedness, or both. Cases like these show well why regular staff trainings are required and constant recertification is needed.
I agree with some points For (2) normally the standard is to whistle and point where you are going. But we can’t tell if the offscreen lifeguard was informed in an audible manner since there is no volume. Given that offscreen guard may not even have been on deck, audible signaling may have been the only meaningful form of signaling (assuming the offscreen guard didn’t have a visual on the onscreen guard)
For (6) you are wrong and you should edit this out because it’s not fair to them. Many lifeguards are Ellis certified. Ellis guidelines state that the following should be done if there are no signs of life but a spinal is suspected: immediately remove the victim from the water using a backboard (chapter 10 page 160 of their guideline) This response is in line with Ellis manual and if you are acting as an Ellis guard then you WILL get sued if you cut someone’s spine due to not following it. Now, you are PROBABLY right about (5) because I have no idea why they suspected the spinal. But fairly judging this action would depend on whether the snorkel guy said something to the guard which led the guard to suspect a spinal. Perhaps the victim had told the snorkel guy that he was in pain from banging his head on the edge or something. I doubt it. But we don’t have audio
@@styletokyo9888 Aye fair enough. I must wonder though why they have that requirement as to my mind it just makes for a longer period of time between doing no CPR and doing it. I've been taught life over limb but I'd be interested to see the reasoning behind the policy
"spring" is not the word i would use to describe this. I hope this was during a time when lifeguards are not supposed to be on duty. Edit THERE WAS A LIFEGUARD IN THE CHAIR THE WHOLE TIME ARE YOU KIDDING ME THE GUYS FACE WAS UNDER WATER FOR A FULL MINUTE AND IT TOOK A REGULAR SWIMMER TO FIX THAT!
So many things went wrong here. Response time way too long in every area. And who's clearing the pool? Thank You Lord, for the swimmer in black that was paying attention.
Im screaming CHECK HIM!! For the first almost whole MINUTE I mean Jesus you can’t see one of the 4 people in the water who’s floating on their stomach???
Lifeguard is supposed to recognize a drowning victim in 10 seconds max, and 20 seconds to reach the victim. This was a horrible display of what lifeguards do.
You need to change the tittle of this video to "Prime example of incompetent lifeguarding. I have been swimming for 2 hours every day for the past 20 years and even I would have spotted something was wrong with this swimmer way earlier than these muppet lifeguards did. .So often things happen in the pool and i later ask the lifeguard if they noticed it, only for them to say no I was miles away. Lifeguards get bored and switch off from the on goings in the pool, but in this case there was only five people in the pool so there's no excuse
multiple things spotted wrong in this video. i’m only 17 currently in lifeguard training. No rescue breathes were performed in water. First thing you do when spotting a drowning unconscious victim. CPR and AED were used properly, but the first 5 rescue breathes should’ve came first no doubt. Also took way too long for the lifeguard to react. As soon as he’s floating upside down, should be an immediate sign. Hopefully the man made it.
I can only assume with lifeguards that they tend to zone out after a while. I mean they are watching lane swimmers swim for hours on end, so at some point they just assume it's fine to turn off their brain. Sucks though. He should have indeed reacted way faster. A still body in the lane pool is already room for alarm. I would have been watching him as soon as he began to back float. Even the other lane swimmer in the higher lane noticed him very early on. At 00:32 there is no excuse as to why he shouldn't have had immediately gone over to check on him.
Ok that lifeguard took way too long to identify the passive victim, he didn’t active his EAP and usually there has to be another guard to go on stand and they have to clear the pool and control the crowd unless if there were only two lifeguard that day, then that facility needs to have more guards on duty in case that happens again.
First off the lifeguard, took way too long to respond, and instead of going in the water, they walked around the pool, which took even longer, second they didn’t need to go in the water to grab him. They could easily have done that outside the water second the chest compressions are way too fast third it took him forever to grab the ventilator mask and why are they not calling EMS or where is the AED???
@@stephen2583 typical, of course he was. Lifeguards font get certificates every time they save a life🤣 just been watching the dudes in oz on Bondi and they put this video to shame, especially considering a Pool LQ is far easier to obtain than a beach/sea one
at a guess, thats what they've been trained to do. Initially I thought it was because of the potential for a spinal injury, after all, they didnt see what happened so you have to assume the worst, but they never put the neck supports on so it wasnt that. It could be hes a big guy and they thought they couldnt get him out, but I know all my guys would have managed it. Maybe its pool policy. However, I cant think of any GOOD reason why they needed a spinal board.
@@stephen2583 It functions like a backboard. Just remove the head blocks and don't put any straps on the patient. It doesn't require much strength to pull them out of the water with a backboard, which is why I'm assuming we're trained to use one. When you whistle for a backboard, it's at a spot where it's super easy to retrieve. In the video the secondary guard was way too slow. Another reason for using the backboard is that you should be able to pull the victim at least 6 feet away from the water so that it doesn't interfere with the AED. The backboard allows it to be smooth. Obviously the lifeguards didn't pull him away far enough. I haven't had a situation like this happen in real time but during my training we're able to extract the victim in less than 1 minute (Ellis)
Wow, is this supposed to be a video showing what not to do as a Lifeguard, very few things done right. Recognition, way too long, removal way too slow, intermittent CPR, like what is that?. Couldn't finish watching. Terrible
And people wonder why there’s a lifeguard shortage. These kids get paid less than most jobs, and now are getting creamed in the comments. Did they do some stuff wrong, yes, but did they do the right thing yes. Is the pool having constant skill drills? Have you tried taking out personal protection equipment out of a wet fanny pack and put it on? Are you gonna forget things like clearing the pool? I hope the guy lived and if he did these lifeguards helped save his life. Let’s not forget that. And yes, I was a lifeguard and yes, I had a save. Nothing nearly this bad, but I forgot stuff. Ultimately I got the guy out of the water quickly and safely.
Ive done a passive victim bc of medical emergency. It is scry but at the time your training kicks in and u go go go. Its a miracle how fast my mind was able to say "Its a zero entry pool, im not waiting 1 min for a board. Im heaving this guy out." I did that during lap swim so yea it was boring but what im saying is training kicks in, unless there was bad training as in this scenario. In no way the guard's fault, but rather the instructors fault.
@@johndriscoll3482 I’ll agree with you. It comes from management and training. I’ve been surprised to see people who have been given certifications when I wouldn’t let them even guard a pool noodle. With my save, I didn’t blow my whistle to clear the pool, but I wasn’t in rotation. I was just coming back in and the pool attendant (not the lifeguard whose section it was) said to me “I think that guy’s in trouble.” And pointed towards the end of the pool with the diving board. By the time I looked over and everything registered (about 4 seconds) the guy was sinking. I grabbed my tube, threw the cord over my body, jumped in, shoved that tube a good 6 feet under the water and up the man came. His eyes were wide with fright. He didn’t know how to swim, but his family convinced him to jump off the diving board into 20ft of water. The lifeguard on duty still didn’t clear the pool or even get off his chair and he was a “pool leader.” A couple days later the man I pulled from the water came and thanked me. He was too dazed that day to say anything. God knows what would have happened if just that “pool leader” was there. Gotta have respect for the water
I can’t believe there are so many people here with such a negativity bias. The first thing you spring to is negative. The life gaurd did what he could. You act like he ran in the other direction. Lifeguards are mostly kids and given the circumstances they did what they were supposed to do.
There are so many negative comments bc the lifeguards could have done a WAY better job. Even people that aren’t actual lifeguards can tell that they weren’t alert at all. The second lifeguard was somewhere where he couldn’t keep a good watch on the pool. Now, not seeing the victim right away is not too dramatic if you can reach them fast and act fast as well but they obviously weren’t fast enough. I do think the way the pool was made wasn’t in the favor of the lifeguards tho. Lifeguards being “kids” does not excuse whatever training (or focus ig) they were lacking.
Well no, the lifeguard didnt do what he could. He could have: 1. Spotted the guy a lot faster than it took someone else to alert him to a problem. 2. He could have raised the alarm for additional support. 3. He could have cleared the pool of other swimmers. 4. He could have lifted the casulty out of the water without waiting an additional 60 seconds for the board to arrive. After that, I don't really have an issue with what the first guy did, but the second guy should have been clearing the pool.
Lifeguard here! Lifeguards are required to make sure they see every inch of the pool from where they are standing/sitting and they have to complete full scans of their guard zone in 10-15 seconds repeatedly (depending on the province/state/country), as well as continuous head counts. Where I live, the rule is that you should see every person in the pool every 10 seconds (at most). This lifeguard was either not scanning properly, could not see the entire area they were guarding, not paying attention, or all of the above. Even though some of us lifeguards start from an early age, we all still have the same extremely important responsibilities that we are required to uphold
For the people who say that the life guard sucks at his job: sometimes life guards don’t notice right away, you can’t expect when there is an emergency someone notices instantly, we are lucky that the man was saved, a truly bad life guard would be a life guard who never noticed the guy drowning and doesn’t pay attention, life gaurds have a very risky job and they need more respect
he never noticed that the guy was unconscious, the other swimmer had to tell him and he was clearly not paying attention to the pool and swimmers.. he actually didn’t do a good job at watching and preventing in that case. yeah, i could understand that you don’t notice right away, but it shouldn’t take you more than 30 seconds + someone (who’s not ever a lifeguard) to tell you, if you’re doing your job right.
Lifeguarding standards partly revolve around the 10/20 standard. That is, 10 seconds to spot a problem and 20 seconds to get to the casulty. So yes, we can expect lifeguards to react that quickly. However, there are a number of things that can stop someone spotting a casulty in 10 seconds - though none should apply in this case.
Lifeguards are required to make sure they see every inch of the pool from where they are standing/sitting and they have to complete full scans of their guard zone in 10-15 seconds repeatedly (depending on the province/state/country), as well as continuous head counts. Where I live, the rule is that you should see every person in the pool every 10 seconds (at most). This lifeguard was either not scanning properly, could not see the entire area they were guarding, not paying attention, or all of the above
