Racebannon808 clicking pen is might be little too much i mean .... i don't think brown can be that satisfaction , and clipping nail is more satisfy that clicking pen
In my experience (and personal preference), Cherry MX Brown are simply the best switches* overall for typing, gaming and everything in between. They may not be the best for each specialized task, but they have no overarching weakness at any use scenario. * best modern mechanical switch. My favorite mechanical switch of all time is the buckling spring switches in IBM Model M keyboards.
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I'm glad you did this. I couldn't find a guide like this when I was shopping for a keyboard, but I think this does a very good job at summing things up for people who are mind boggled by all the different information about keyboards.
I like this rather unbiased overview of the various switches without any circle jerking or what not. You tried to be as objective as possible and added your personal opinions as a side note. Great job Dmitry, thumbs up
I just bought my first mechanical keyboard not too long ago: The Logitech G810, with ROMER-G switches. I have to say, they've made a great first impression. They're light, and nearly silent if you don't bottom out. They feel _almost_ linear, but they have a tiny tactile bump. They're great for gaming, and so far I enjoy gaming on them, although I'm by no means competitive. I went from a little Logitech K360 and I loved that little keyboard, but this is a great step upwards for me. And for the keyboard itself, I love how it doesn't have all the massive bells and whistles that a lot of gaming keyboards do, but it still has all the essentials I need: Volume dial, Stop & Play-Pause, Next & Back, etc. The software is pretty decent as well, with plenty of options. I just wish there was a few extra preset modes to choose from lighting wise. And the fact that I can sync it with my G900 and other Logitech RGB stuff is a really neat plus. Overall, I'd probably have to give it an 8.5 out of 10, or maybe a 9.
High production values, very comprehensive and good natured/balanced whilst still giving personal preference, love spec overlays, a great piece of work and extremely useful.
amir shemesh I want a MX Green board badly but selection is somewhat limited and there are no RGB models. Currently I use MX Blacks and love them. I need a heavier key.
The black are awesome, And yeah the selection IS limited but for my personal needs the cm quickfire rapid was (and still is) perfect. I don't really like leds on the keyboard ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The sound of a blue is amazing. I really like it for typing which I do a lot of. For the lighter linear switches I have a hard time knowing when a key has actually been pressed. But it is true that blues aren't the best for gaming. It sometimes feels slow at first but I have gotten used to it.
families HATE this keyboard! find out why! I also have Outemu blues, I love them, everyone else in the house hates them. they feel really good, and are way cheaper than cherry keyboards
Browns definitely are the best for the first-time buyer. They offer a bit of tactile feedback, like in the blues, while also being light, like the reds. From the browns on, if you want to continue buying mechanical keyboards, you can easily choose because of the fact that browns have both qualities of the two main types of switches.
Im very satisfied with my romer g keyboard, the G810. The lighting is great, and since Ive been playing games on rubber dome keyboards for most of my time on a computer, the switch to this keyboard wasn't bad at all, it felt like a very natural upgrade to make.
After 10 years of service, I've finally replaced my first gen Logitech G15 with my first (that I've owned) mechanical key board: a Corsair K70 LUX RGB. I chose MX Cherry Browns because they seemed like a nice balance for typing as well as gaming. I like the short actuation but I also really like the tactile bump of MX Cherry Browns. Not as loud as some mechanical keyboards I've used. It's a real treat to use.
@6:33 It says “sound: quite” I giggled :) As always, I love me a thorough and informative quality video from one of the very best out there, I (heart) HardwareCanucks.
I've been contemplating trying a mech board. this covered everything I needed to hear and know about them to make a decision on switch type. thank you, Dmitry 😊
I had blues before and they felt just amazing when typing, but my girlfriend could not sleep when I was gaming late at night. That keyboard broke after like a year so I got refund and went for Logitech g610 with browns and I am deeply satisfied. It still has that nice feedback like blues does, but they are not as loud, which is perfect spot for me.
I started off with a razer blackwidow classic with the razer green switches and I absolutly loved it. Now i have the logitech g910 spectrum since they fixed the keycaps and made them normal and I love this one too. Romer-G switches are definitely interesting but the more I type on them the more I learn to love them, especially when it comes to touch typing. The fast actuation and distinct feel of the keys when it actuates overall is very pleasant.
r/mechanicalkeyboards has some good guides on choosing keyboards. Word of advice: Cherry switches are not the highest quality ones out there. Gateron switches are almost always smoother, and Otemus are as well, lacking a lot of the scratchiness that Cherry switches usually have. For brown switches, I think that Gateron Browns are the best
i mean, they are just for a very niche market, expensive and has a less clicky but still tactile feel. i think its just laking conmaired to cherry or kailhs options
This is a very difficult video to do, and I greatly appreciate the amount of effort you put into this. This is amazing information plus great b roll shots. Much kudos.
Thanks for the guide, before this video, iv'e just think getting a keyboard with a loud switch, with a good sound mabye a little lighting and here i go. But after this video i got to a Market, for trying some different keyboards out. And this guide make me buy the right keyboard.
(Disclaimer: I'm way too attached to the MechanicalKeyboards subreddit, and I learn about all this stuff because it interests me.) This video does a great job at making the *real* details about mechanical switches accessible to the typical PC market! I appreciate the work put in to make sure that all commercially popular types of keys are represented (at least, those marketed to typical PC users), and to debunk the myths about gaming on mechanical keys. You provided an objective look at the pros and cons of things like the QS-1, MX Speed, and Romer-G, which many people get because they're self-described "gamers only" and want the "best" board for any cost. If I were to make this video, I would definitely explain the subsection of "tactile" switches as opposed to clicky and linear, as you kind of pushed MX Browns to the side as an in-between. This is true in the way that you said it, but the denomination of "tactile" switches is important to showcase, as well. Overall, for a concise video from someone who isn't a keyboard-centric channel, this is an excellent overview!
I would also add a mention of the qualities of Cherry knockoffs, good and bad - Gaterons, for example, are considered by many to occasionally surpass their Cherry counterparts, whereas Kailh and all the lesser-known Chinese brands tend to be notably worse in consistency and keyfeel.
I always thought I would like brown switches over blues because blues seemed so incredibly loud and hard to press in videos. It wasn't until I actually tried then out in a store that I realized blues were WAY lighter than I thought, and that brown clicks were basically nonexistent to my fingers. I've fallen in love with blue switches since, MAKE SURE YOU TRY KEY SWITCHES OUT FOR YOURSELF BEFORE BUYING!!!!
This was great. I was all for blues but now you've tempted me to try Greens and Browns. So, here's a challenge - are there any good TKL brown, green or blue keyboards where the caps are half size, not full? :)
i know this is an old and *beginner's* guide, but i think categorizing switches into linear, tactile, and clicky types would be better than just a description of feel this would be a better introduction and path to give beginners to open up to different manufacturers to which switch type they prefer
Small thing about Blues. I have found that the reset point is below the return bump and from a lot of use you can get into a habit of feeling for the start of the reset bump and therefore knowing exactly when to press again.
It's quite literally just preference. I alternate between Topre and MX blues, I can't stand MX reds and my 'performance' in games is virtually identical.
Mohamed Osama blues are great for gaming alot of pro players on sc2 and lol and dota 2 use blues and it doesnt hurt they gameplay u need to fast fingers and u need to press harder but it doesnt slow u down
today I ordered my first mechanical keyboard with mx blues for gaming and chatting because that click is so extremely satisfying I brought Corsair strafe RGB MX blue it should come in 7 days i have never tried mechanical keyboard before so i m very hyped
Fully actuating beyond the actuation point (aka "activation point") of the switch. Membrane keyboards require you to bottom out because it registers at the bottom, but mechanical switches have activation mid-way the switch, making it unnecessary and noisy to bottom out mechanical switches
This comment is typed on a Kingston Hyper-X with Cherry MX Red switches. Typing on this thing is awesome. In fact, I don't know what people are talking about when they say Reds are worse for typing. They're smooth and light and I can touch type quite well.
Crix So ure one of those people that annoys everyone on skype with your keyboard when playing games. Tbfh I still dont really get why mechanical keyboards are such a thing I literally see barely any difference.
Honestly this is the video I have been waiting for forever, amazing. You always give me such great info and by far the best explanation video out there.
Personal top 3: 1) Topre (more or less any; on some models they offer various 'flavors'; so for instance you need less force for keys that are under your pinky) 2) mxbrown/romer-g (mx if you're more leaned to the typing side, omron if you're more on the gaming side) 3) mxblue (for typing, distracting when I'm gaming)
Bought a Cherry MX Red switch keyboard for my first mechanical switch, about a year later I bought an MX blue board, now I think I'll be going MX browns for my next one. Think that's a fairly reasonable progression!
You should've mentioned that all of these switches pale in comparison to Gateron switches, which are weighted the same as Cherry switches, but move a lot smoother, for a less "scratchy" typing experience. They also provide unique switches in the Gateron Clear, the lightest linear switch on the market, and the Gateron Yellow, which has the same actuation force as Blacks, but has less resistance when bottoming out (which I greatly prefer; feels like a Red/Black hybrid.)
What would be the best 70 or 80 dollar Mechanical keyboard. Cause it seems like there's decent ones for 40-50,I want a nicer one. But I also don't want to spend $150 on a razer or corsair.
I just bought the RedDragon Karuma or whatever its called. Its REALLY impressive for the $33 that I paid. Like its basically MX Reds. The only complaint is that the S and D are already wearing out, and a tiny bit of the W. IDK if that says that I'm using it more than I should. Or that the paint just fades easily. But over all, if your getting a first time Mech keyboard. Get it, its only 30 bucks. And you can get the RED backlit for 40.
Pau1 I guess if you slam the keys, you can hear a slight spring, nothing that'd apper in normal usage, at least for me since I don't really bottom out my keys that much
You don't want anything but cherry or some of it's knockoff. Especially for your first. You buy other custom switches when you know you really want it. (Except topre. Everyone should have a touch of topre at least once in their lives). And you want a more neutral keyboard without "gaming accents" on them. Why? Same reason you try switches. You buy ”gaming accents" when you know you really want it. Thank me later.
I just finished my first custom built mechanical keyboard (Satan GH60 PCB with an aluminum case and Gateron Brown switches), I hope some bigger tech RU-vidrs get into building them (Frank already did two if I'm not mistaken). Before that I used a Logitech G710+ with Cherry Browns, and I have to say the Gaterons are way more satisfying to type on, so including maybe a Magicforce with Gaterons would be a easy and cheap way to really add to achieving the goal of this video to compare as many different switch types as possible.
One thing to note is that Topre are not linear. They're tactile, with a distinctive tactile bump at the top. Although the linear movement downward when the dome collapse can feel like a linear switch, it's still a tactile switch at its core.
I have gone trough all the mx buttons on different keyboard, when I bought the corsair k 65 for the clean look on my not so spacy desk, mx speed w/ 2 O rings on all buttons makes it a favorite for me
Just got my new k70 RGB rapid fire Omfg these cherry red speed switches are amazing, I used to have blue switches so the difference is like night and day. I no longer hear my clicking through headphones, and it just feels so smooth
DaemoniumCC lol, they're not a knock off, they're a clone. Just because it's a clone doesn't mean it's better than the original, Cherry have been scratchy garbage since the mid 90s and were always worse than ALPS. Gateron are making Cherry clones sure, but they're making clones of the ORIGINAL Cherry switches, y'know, the smooth as hell ones, before Cherry switched to a different kind of plastic and made them feel like scratchy shit. That's why Gateron is superior. Cherry switches have so much friction with the slider and housing that they're scratchy as fuck, Gateron do not have this.
I hear that from people who sometimes say that Cherry feels "scratchy" and "sandy" but honestly, I have 4 different Cherry boards (blue, brown, clear and red) and none of them have ever sounded or felt scratchy. Browns need a little time to break in, that's about it. Other than that, they've all been smooth as butter for me. Bad batches maybe? Who knows. But I'm definitely satisfied will all my Cherry MX boards. Browns actually being my favorite, with Clears a close second.
DaemoniumCC At the end of the day, there isn't much to say other than "you're wrong". All Cherry switches post around '95 or even earlier have been scratchy, except the clicky ones are far less scratchy. Blues are the only reasonable Cherry switch, but they still aren't great as the entire Cherry MX design for the blues fundamentally doesn't allow them to be all that tactile. Browns are ridiculously scratchy, even Gateron browns suck because it's just a bad design but at least the slider is better. The Blacks and Reds Cherry vs Gateron are VASTLY different. It's nothing to do with bad batches, you're either lying to yourself or are completely ignorant to the problem Cherry have. You can feel the Cherry slider moving. Gateron sliders feel like they're moving through oil. It's completely different, vastly superior and just like vintage Cherry black switches. Also you can hear the friction as Gateron switches make very little sound until they bottom out, Cherry do not. Massively well documented at this point, nothing to do with batches, this is a fundamental problem with the material Cherry now uses. I have no idea why it does not affect Cherry blue as badly but they are still not perfect.
Happy Christmas Dimitri and HardwareCanucks team and everyone on RU-vid! P.S. After watching this video I realise that I want Cherry MX Brown Switches although I do type a lot of assignments and work on MS Word, etc, I do play MMO's and Co-op games like CSGO and TESO hence the need for swift response time. Thus I will probably save up for an RGB Cherry MX Brown keyboard.
such a great video; currently awaiting my full white backlit wireless tenkeyless Varmilo VB87M with blue switches and PBT keycaps, this is gonna be amazing switch from a deathstalker chroma
