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A Better Route Planner: how to use it and how accurate is it?!

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Abetterrouteplanner.com - or ABRP if you like acronyms - is an indispensable part of my toolkit as an EV driver. It's a route finder (as the name suggests) but far more accurate than most as it takes topography into account as well as allowing you to tweak loads of options.
This video is split into two halves: the first is about how to use ABRP and the second is to test its accuracy. Unfortunately, due to roadworks, accidents (not me, thankfully), heavy rain and diversions, ABRP ended up being way off.
Since I was undertaking a motorway journey and people have commented that I shouldn't be using Eco mode, this time I've used Normal mode with auto regen. Sadly, again, it's difficult to know if it's made any difference due to the road conditions (I wasn't able to reach full speed for long on the motorway) but hey - I've edited it all so it's here for your pleasure.
I also end up going to an Ecotricity charger. Does it work? Yes, actually. I know, I was just as amazed as you.
There's also a tiny sneaky peek at OVMS doing its funky thang as well. Detailed video will be coming soonish!
So it's a bit of a weird mix of things in this video - a pot pourri, one might say - but I hope you find it interesting all the same.
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@ErikGeurts 4 года назад

A handy use case is to plan a route with your home as the departure and the destination, and the actual meeting location you go to as a way point. That way, the route planner can figure out an optimal route with charging stops in both directions (if necessary), in case the meeting location doesn't have a charger.

@bellshooter 4 года назад

Just put in the single journey and click the 'return' icon (a reverse arrow) and it plans both ways

@JohnFoden1 4 года назад

Andrew I set mine to level 3 Auto gives you one pedal driving when cruise is off. Great video BTW !

@wktuba9676 Год назад

Great video, I love the increased accuracy from live data. I love my 2016 Chevy Volt (plug-in hybrid) and my next vehicle will be a BEV. That being said, I really don’t understand why so many reviewers hate stopping at a gas station- pull in, pay, pump, leave, in under 5 mins. It’s terrible for the environment so I’ll happily stay at a charging station in the future, but “gas stations are terrible so take 5 times as long at a charger” isn’t a convincing argument. Am I spoiled with an abundance of options in Texas? (Side note, a properly maintained ICE vehicle should NOT smell like fuel unless something is broken, like the rear hatch seal)

@derMaulwuff 4 года назад

On auto regen the car uses radar to track obstacles in front of it. If anything is detected, the regen box turns from white to blue. Only then it will adjust the regen strength automatically, else it uses what is preselected.

@a1peck 4 года назад

Another great video thanks Andrew I just got a 2020 ioniq and I use ABRP for all my long trips

@markgrosvenor8599 2 года назад

SUCH A BRILLIANT Video! Thanks so much for this Ian! (I am waiting for my first EV and road trips are a massive joy for me, but a Tesla is not yet within my budget, but hey - the Lotto Gods may look kindly one day!)

@martinkjr3278 4 года назад

A feature I really need in all these SatNav systems, is avoiding highways where it makes sense. I have a route at about 250km (highway) that I regularly drive. I can take the highway at 110-130km/h or broad country roads at mostly 80-90km/hr, but hitting the highway at the last 20km of the stretch. Time difference is only about 20 minutes total, as the country road is shorter than the highway route. Difference in consumption is huge though and with just about 20 minutes longer, I tend to chose to save consumption over speed, unless I have a reason to get there or home faster. I haven't seen a SatNav that compares consumption and travel time and lets you easily chose better consumption if travel time is not massively different. Most can avoid highway all-together but I like it to consider travel time and consumption and chose a route combining country roads and highways for best consumption while still keeping travel time down. I usually use Google Maps as my prefered SatNav and even when chosing the slower route option it defaults to the fast route as soon as I hit Start. Then I switch to slower route again but I constantly get alternate faster route suggestions while driving, that I have to click away every time.

@wattouk 4 года назад

If you're not using the roofbox, take it off. And remove the roof rack. Doesn't matter if it is empty, it causes drag. Even the roof rack causes drag that will make a significant difference.

@MrEV 4 года назад

Unfortunately it’s a heavy, bulky thing to remove and I had no-one around to help get it off at the time. Next time though, it’s coming off! I miss the wonderful efficiency I used to have!

@michaelhartner1284 4 года назад

I've seen three of our videos and I like them. I drive a 2019 Kia Niro EV EX. Perhaps you've covered this in one of the videos I haven't seen, but I've heard you mention a few times that it is generally preferable to charge your battery to 80% (as opposed to 100%) because the time it takes to increase the charge from 80% to 100% is considerably more than the amount of time it takes to charge from, for example, 0% to 20%, or 60% to 80%. It's my understanding, however (and this is from reading the Owner's Manual) that another, perhaps even more important reason to only charge up to 80% is that charging to 100% regularly will prematurely degrade the battery. I'm assuming you know this, but found it odd that I haven't heard you mention it along with the charge time factor. Thanks for your work!

@JuanCarlosHerediaMayer 4 года назад

Great video and useful tips. A better router planner is a must for all EV user. Now in versión 4, there’s a premium paid plan for some extra features. Let’s see how it works and if it worth it.

@jonathanwrend8893 2 года назад

Great video as always

@stephenclay6852 4 года назад

Great video. Had a play with it. I would definitely use it on a long journey. But that Kia e Niro is really good can’t wait to get ours.

@samuelbarford2249 4 года назад

Whilst under lockdown I’m enjoying watching your videos. Looking forward to your Italy trip 👍 Other vlogs suggest that Ecotricity are free when there’s no internet connection and there was a cross through the WiFi symbol on the display. How on earth can they improve their network though if it’s free 🙄

@MrEV 4 года назад

That’s true, and I think that’s been part of the problem for them. They bought unreliable chargers in the first place and then, due to them being offline or on free vend, haven't made enough profit to justify improvements in the system.

@tinrobot4479 3 года назад

New to this channel as looking at a Niro 4+. Liking the content and the Blade Runner poster.

@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 3 года назад

Keep in mind that it's more efficient to charge while the battery is at low state of charge, which means ABRP will actually prefer charging the car small amounts more often rather than charging it all the way just a few times. So any route can be likely be done with fewer charges, it will just take longer overall. :)

@davida2056 4 года назад

Hi Andrew, I've written a script for OVMS box to send live data to abrp. I will publish it soon on the OVMS forum/doc.

@MrEV 4 года назад

I literally just read your comment on the OVMS forum! I can’t wait to give it a go.

@davida2056 4 года назад

@@MrEV you can find the first release here github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/tree/master/plugin/abrp I will work on documentation to help to use it !

@MrEV 4 года назад

Fantastic! Thanks!

@joserosado1842 3 года назад

The charging speed of 39kW is probably because you are getting coldgate. The e-Niro limits the charging speed when the battery is to cold. Also, i consider ABRP to be to pessimistic. It has happen a lot of times with my Leaf, but it still is a good tool.

@TassieEV 2 года назад

I noticed your route back there was a Ultra-charger nearby to your starting point and you would have charged at near to 70kW so less time and no more charges to get you home plus probably more reliable than ecotricity, well back in 2019 at least now in 2022 with Ecotricity being partnered with Gridserve would be a different story. You should do an update on this video with the new ABRP including the App now.

@chargingabout 4 года назад

As a kona owner, try comparing to the tesla on the trip to Rome..... it makes a big difference especially charging time.

@miscbits6399 2 года назад

tying ABRP into Waze would be useful. I miss having routing/traffic alerts Ecotricity are improving (slowly)

@helent9696 2 года назад

Hi is the auto regen only available with the e Niros with Sat Nav?

@r-saby5023 4 года назад

Hi, Have you found a way to force ABRP to take a ferry instead backing up to the last bridge and go to the final destination wher is directly in front of the ferry on the other side of the river. Thank you

@neilbrandon 4 года назад

I use pre heat on week days ....problem is at weekends I forget to disable it, so when. I plug in to charge during a day time shopping trip the car won’t charge cos it’s set to next charge on the Monday....

@timjefferson1886 3 года назад

Near the start of the video, maybe ABRP didn't suggest a charge-point for that route because none was required.

@KJSvitko 4 года назад

Great tool for trip planning. If you own an EV you should check it out.

@mback12000 4 года назад

Looks like there are no turn by turn directions in ABRP. So if one needs turn by turn navigation, how do you know the nav will take the same route between the waypoints?

@DriventoExtremes 3 года назад

Is it possible to share the ABRP route that you’ve made with something like a Garmin Sat Nav? How do you actually use ABPR on the road to navigate?

@MrEV 3 года назад

It now works with CarPlay and Android Auto which works pretty well. I'll do a video about it at some point. You do have to subscribe to their premium plan though. As for sending to a Garmin sat nav, I'm really not sure. I'd love to know if anyone else reading this has an idea!

@bdeithrick 3 года назад

Was that the covid you had June. My arp never works too good. I’m looking fir guidelines on how to use the settings.

@OliverSchlecht 4 года назад

ABRP is quite nice - but has some pitfalls as well. Still missing features, e.g. to use a different Charging Station as recommended (an earlier for example) or to force it not the leave the Autobahn.

@leerothman7570 2 года назад

One thing that really annoys me is you can't literally delete an assigned stop the program selects. In some cases you don't need nor want to stop there and can't just right click and delete and refigure the route. They really need to make that available.

@johnriley4585 4 года назад

What app are you using and have you got a video of its features, I couldn't find anything on your channel. Really enjoying our E Niro the range is fantastic and until recently we were blown away by our Zoe ZE40 Q90i which we still have it was our 24kWh Leaf that made way for the Kia.

@MrEV 4 года назад

It’s called OVMS it requires a box that plugs into the e-Niro. Full details on set-up will (hopefully) be the next video I publish.

@tommavir 4 года назад

I need to play with auto regen some more. I think it uses map too so need destination set in Nav. Not sure what happens if you use google maps with android auto instead but I’m guessing it doesn’t. I tend to use cruise control on motorway most of the time so auto regen is automatic with that. I think.

@RWBHere 4 года назад

It's worth remembering that, when you had the Leaf, you would hardly ever travel at above the motorway speed limit. You would likely be pottering along at no more than 56 mph. That would reduce significantly the number of recharges which you would need. As for political correctness, many people don't consciously abide by it, because PC often only saves to _highlight_ differences, rather than to eliminate them.

@David-bl1bt 4 года назад

Very interesting and in informative, thanks for sharing. A question about abrp, the route shown on a planned trip is sometimes blue and sometimes orange, what does this mean?

@bdeithrick 3 года назад

When it’s red you have to run at a reduced speed, for that leg

@btnbiker 4 года назад

Nice video but I am not struck on ABRP. I tend to use Zap Map o my set for Polar chargers and then combine in with the Wattsup app

@bellshooter 4 года назад

I use both but find ABRP to be better for real estimation, just set Polar as preferred and Ecotricity to never use !

@matthewpowell2744 3 года назад

ABRP still has ongoing problems displaying Instavolt network. Essential in UK ?

@MrEV 3 года назад

Does it? I just made a plan for a journey I'm doing and it showed an Instavolt charger?

@matthewpowell2744 3 года назад

@@MrEV Well that's encouraging, have a look for this one:- Watchmoor Park , Riverside Way, Camberley, GU15 3YL and this one 188 Nine Mile Ride, Wokingham, RG40 3RJ Present on ZapMap and OpenCharge but not ABRP. Porting problem ?

@MrEV 3 года назад

@@matthewpowell2744 I've raised it with Instavolt on Twitter and they're looking into it (an answer at this time on a Saturday is pretty amazing!). ABRP uses data from Open Charge Map so my guess is Instavolt need to fix something with the API their end.

@matthewpowell2744 3 года назад

@@MrEV Many thanks ! ( MAX influencer 😁) As one of the more reliable charging networks it's reassuring to see all their points showing up if "preferred".

@billyray323 3 года назад

Hi what's the best way to pay for charging ? I'm new to this and just bought an EV

@MrEV 3 года назад

Where do you live? In the UK many of our chargers accept debit/credit card payments now and I think Electrify America chargers do too.

@wobby1516 4 года назад

Not struck on this planner. Prefer to work things out myself.

@bellshooter 4 года назад

Why Colin, if you set the preferences right and manually set what % charge, and where you're having a lunch stop it is really good

@abadger 4 года назад

I can only add the Kia Soul ev. I can't find the e-Niro. Any ideas?

@abadger 4 года назад

Ignore - I just watched you do it on the video!

@mnhsty 3 года назад

My screen looks nothing like that.

@KJSvitko 4 года назад

Charging over 80% is a waste of time because of the reduced charge rate taper.. It is also not the best for the battery.

@bellshooter 4 года назад

No problem for the battery , and in some vehicles charging stays quite fast up to 90%

@PaulEkert 3 года назад

Cool video. I am getting much more out of this website now that I know what features it has hidden away. One question, is it possible to set location to home and then for it to show the maximum range of the vehicle selected? (A kind of radius of range)

@davidpearn5925 4 года назад

Why is wind not available as kms/hr rather than m/sec for us Aussies?. Knots would be another option.

@cawfeedawg 4 года назад

I vote for knots.

@davidpearn5925 4 года назад

Yep, that’s my language too.

@leoscock 4 года назад

m/s is roughly knots/2

@DavidJL39 4 года назад

So far as I can see the Ap does not recognise the 64Kw ENero Model

@MrEV 4 года назад

Do try again as it is there along with the Soul EV.

@davidpearn5925 4 года назад

You had a headwind out so it was probably a tailwind home......?. For planning purposes, as an ex old pilot, airspeed is a Big factor.....if you understand physics.

@PGalati 4 года назад

At 24:20 you mention that the Kia SAT NAV doesn't take into consideration the topography when estimating power consumption. The link above is for the PHEV, which would be my choice of car since my daily roundtrip is 18 miles but still prefer the great hybrid distance for longer trips. Isn't the SAT NAV data the same between the EV and the PHEV? Thanks and learning a lot about my next car purchase.

@SteveDaviesCPT 3 года назад

Inuit, innit.

@petercdejong 4 года назад

Carplay!

@ateeqn1985 4 года назад

There doesn't seem to be an app for ANRP?!

@MrEV 4 года назад

They’ve literally just released it! I’ve not had a play with the app yet but it seems good.

@beerman1957 3 года назад

You look a LOT like a relative of George Harrison.

@mikey8156 4 года назад

If you charge to 100% you are reducing your battery life, charge to 90% is better.

@MrEV 4 года назад

True. The occasional 100% charge is a good thing (as long as it’s not left fully charged for days) but ordinarily I limit charges to 80%.

@jelomaxjoiner 4 года назад

This route planner is total rubbish , zap map route planner is a lot better and easier to use

@electrifiedsmartfarts9529 4 года назад

Don’t need a better route planner tesla maps and route planner very accurate 😀😀😁👍

@davidpearn5925 4 года назад

Now that you are set to free yourselves from the EU dictators I’m expecting you will go back to the Australian, Japanese SE Asia and Indian setup of having your right hand able to do steering AND indicating p, thus leaving your left hand to deal with all the other chores. I don’t understand why you accepted being given such a compromised setup long ago.