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Not knowing where to begin, we explore, fail along the way, learn from dead ends, and finally defeat the monster integral.
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@drpeyam
@drpeyam 5 лет назад
Wow, that’s an even nicer way of formulating it than on my video, great job! :)
@LetsSolveMathProblems
@LetsSolveMathProblems 5 лет назад
I just watched your video on Gamma Zeta Integral, and I found it very educational. I personally think your approach is beautiful; besides, you have covered a more general case. I love your enthusiasm throughout the video! =)
@nicholasr79
@nicholasr79 5 лет назад
I'm not sure which one of you has worse English, but I'll settle on the tie.
@griffisme4833
@griffisme4833 5 лет назад
@@nicholasr79 You don't need to be an ass.
@nicholasr79
@nicholasr79 5 лет назад
@@griffisme4833 I'm sorry that you're triggered by simple truths. How about you go fucc yourself, buddy?
@fedem8229
@fedem8229 5 лет назад
@@nicholasr79 Well, you clearly perfectly speak every existing language, Could we have a conversation on Seri?
@NcKyPmHzPPcrnTEat
@NcKyPmHzPPcrnTEat 5 лет назад
The way he sounds so excited makes this video 10x better.
@supman2600
@supman2600 5 лет назад
I appreciate the transparency regarding dead ends and the necessity of perseverence and stamina in taking on mathematical problems such as these.
@shanmugasundaram9688
@shanmugasundaram9688 6 лет назад
Genuine application of gamma function.
@rickybobby5584
@rickybobby5584 6 лет назад
you mean beta function
@matthewbriggs2805
@matthewbriggs2805 5 лет назад
You know you've explained it well when a maths noob can understand most of what you said, great video!!
@user-ei9pb3yp4h
@user-ei9pb3yp4h 5 лет назад
i like the way how pi comes out of nowhere
@friedkeenan
@friedkeenan 5 лет назад
3Blue1Brown has a great video that proves it using circles, so it's not like the pi is random
@jongyon7192p
@jongyon7192p 4 года назад
@김주원 I like the way how, as a native speaker, I'm still full of bad grammar
@user-un2hf9ve2j
@user-un2hf9ve2j 4 года назад
@@friedkeenan well, Euler proved this originally with the Taylor series of the sin function , and sin has always to a lot with circles.
@mariomuysensual
@mariomuysensual 3 года назад
Not of nowhere, it comes from rotation and circles
@user-ei9pb3yp4h
@user-ei9pb3yp4h 3 года назад
well i know not much about math so it seems to me as if it comes outta nowhere lol
@vishalkakade001024
@vishalkakade001024 6 лет назад
Thank you for solving this, I was trying to solve a similar integral from past 7 years. I used ur method and I finally completed the damn integral after 7 years.
@LetsSolveMathProblems
@LetsSolveMathProblems 6 лет назад
My pleasure! I'm glad the explanation helped you out in your endeavor. =)
@cantcommute
@cantcommute 3 года назад
At that point you should just Google the solution no?
@Aditya_196
@Aditya_196 Месяц назад
Which iit bro ?!
@thetheandrein
@thetheandrein 6 лет назад
Omg, how does he do to see that kind of relations? Certainly impresive
@jsunny2029
@jsunny2029 6 лет назад
What coincidence, blackpenredpen just proved this by showing the integral is gamma function of 2 times zeta function of 2. 😃
@Jeff-wc5ho
@Jeff-wc5ho 6 лет назад
I especially love these integration puzzles. Keep up the amazing work, and thank you for your videos :)
@kaushikmanna4002
@kaushikmanna4002 5 лет назад
An absolutely superb way to get to the solution with all the necessary inter step justification explained properly.
@nickstollard6205
@nickstollard6205 6 лет назад
This is legitimately the greatest video I've ever seen
@justin2221
@justin2221 5 лет назад
W H E R E I S T H I S P I C O M I N G F R O M ?
@Bollibompa
@Bollibompa 5 лет назад
It is quite complicated but 3Blue1Brown has a video trying to explain it through a geometric model.
@gregoriousmaths266
@gregoriousmaths266 4 года назад
Bollibompa I’m pretty sure he did that for the Basel problem not this integral Check out my channel btw
@DavidFMayerPhD
@DavidFMayerPhD 4 года назад
Pi is EVERYWHERE.
@maxshore9722
@maxshore9722 5 лет назад
Great video for a greater integral. Thanks for your work.
@easymathematik
@easymathematik 5 лет назад
Hello. :) The first thing I thought when I saw the integral was Bernoulli. There is another beautiful way to solve it in my opinion. If one knows that the integrand is the generating function of the Bernoulli numbers the solution follows immediately from some basic integral properties. :) Details: Integral 0 to inf x^(2n-1) / ( e^(ax) - 1) dx = beta(n) / 4 (2 pi /a) ^ (2n) Where beta(n) = (-1)^(n+1) * bernoulli( 2n ) Using n=1, a=1 => beta(1) = bernoulli(2) = 1/6 gives pi^2 over 6. :)
@TheMauror22
@TheMauror22 6 лет назад
Beautiful!
@99serrano99
@99serrano99 6 лет назад
Gamma FUNction! :D
@RealTechnoPanda
@RealTechnoPanda 3 года назад
I was grinning from ear to ear by the end of this video. Thanks!
@ruchpat1
@ruchpat1 5 лет назад
Thank you for the video keep up the good work brotha man
@thecuriouskid4481
@thecuriouskid4481 6 лет назад
Man! This is love! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
@plasmacrab_7473
@plasmacrab_7473 6 лет назад
Amazing! I always have trouble with remembering all of these infinite series and their answers, but either way, I enjoyed this video to the fullest!
@ayushgupta7273
@ayushgupta7273 3 года назад
What a beautiful of explaining something. Thank you :)
@garydunken7934
@garydunken7934 6 лет назад
Nice. And we are done!
@mythbusterman8541
@mythbusterman8541 4 года назад
Most impressive part of this is how quickly and nearly he is drawing with a click and drag mouse function .
@anurodhkumar2943
@anurodhkumar2943 4 года назад
So beautiful!!!!! Just love it
@sambhrantagupta3522
@sambhrantagupta3522 6 лет назад
That ws amazing,Very clear and understandable,thanq
@khaledqaraman
@khaledqaraman 6 лет назад
ِِAmazing solution ... Thanks
@saitaro
@saitaro 6 лет назад
Impressive, man. You rock.
@FractalMannequin
@FractalMannequin 5 лет назад
Wheeler: duel monster player and mathematician.
@gongasvf
@gongasvf 6 лет назад
Very appropriate title! :) That was amazing
@sergioh5515
@sergioh5515 6 лет назад
This is so awesome...it's going on my favorites list
@juanmanuelmolanobaron7385
@juanmanuelmolanobaron7385 6 лет назад
Nice job x2
@josuehazaelmurodiaz7736
@josuehazaelmurodiaz7736 6 лет назад
Utterly deliteful
@jagathkaparthi3629
@jagathkaparthi3629 6 лет назад
Nice job
@muratkaradag3703
@muratkaradag3703 4 года назад
I klicked the like button and it showed 2800 likes!! I love how many ways you are trying to wvaluate that integral 😘
@kuntalghosh6129
@kuntalghosh6129 4 года назад
You can also obtain the π^2/6 by taking a Fourier series of x, in the interval -π
@MrUwU-dj7js
@MrUwU-dj7js 4 года назад
I didn't knew this. Will look at it up, thanks
@dr.rahulgupta7573
@dr.rahulgupta7573 3 года назад
Simple and clear presentation of the topics. wow !!
@user-rz3id7nm6s
@user-rz3id7nm6s 5 лет назад
Well done. I love Euler 😊
@ayoubelkfita8030
@ayoubelkfita8030 5 лет назад
thank you very much your are amazing
@amankarunakaran6346
@amankarunakaran6346 6 лет назад
Awesome vid. One note: to avoid integration by parts, you can evaluate integral from 0 to ∞ of (xe^(-xn) dx) by differentiation under the integral as follows: I(n) = int 0 to ∞ of -e^(-xn) dx I'(n) = int 0 to ∞ of xe^(-xn) dx after differentiating with respect to n, which is what we want However, we can evaluate I(n) easily I(n) = int 0 to ∞ of -e^(-xn) dx = e^(-∞n)/n-e^(-0n)/n = -1/n I'(n) = 1/n^2 So we deduce that int 0 to ∞ of xe^(-xn) dx = 1/n^2, and basically all we had to do was integrate -e^(-xn)
@LetsSolveMathProblems
@LetsSolveMathProblems 6 лет назад
Excellent suggestion!
@miguelcerna7406
@miguelcerna7406 4 года назад
Absolutely astonishing.
@jsunny2029
@jsunny2029 6 лет назад
I love this. 😃
@jjlg97
@jjlg97 6 лет назад
It is a very clean process, totally clear for the viewer. Concerning the final steps, when deciding over integration by parts or Gamma function, one could also consider the Laplace transform of f(x) = x, which is directly readable and there are no needed modifications to compute it, in contrast to the option of using Gamma function. Laplace transform is (I think) known by everyone having seen a first course on ODEs, so it should also be part of the "toolbox" available when solving integrals like this one.
@math2693
@math2693 4 года назад
This is absolutely incredible
@powerphysics766
@powerphysics766 2 года назад
Ingenious approach. Brilliantly done
@fivestar5855
@fivestar5855 2 года назад
Brilliant!
@bmdiscover7827
@bmdiscover7827 2 года назад
You must know that by this video , you make other nearly to the solution of the eternal prime number problem. Thank you .
@jpphoton
@jpphoton 5 лет назад
holy mook a dang. Brilliant.
@d.h.y
@d.h.y Год назад
Bravo!!!
@liberalaccidental
@liberalaccidental 4 года назад
Beautiful
@RahulKumar-dy2pk
@RahulKumar-dy2pk 5 лет назад
Great sir.......
@dahmaneabdessalam2778
@dahmaneabdessalam2778 4 года назад
Great job!
@sarojsi890
@sarojsi890 5 лет назад
nice thanks sir..
@careair5516
@careair5516 6 лет назад
Very smart.
@giovannicorsini9254
@giovannicorsini9254 5 лет назад
Pay attention when you justify the change of the order of the summation and of the integration by referring to the uniform convergence of the series, it is way better to make use of the monotone convergence theorem that is studied in Measure Theory and Lebesgue Theory, as this example shows: pick the sequence of functions given by chi{[0,n]}/n, where chi{•} is the characteristic function of the set written between the brackets. It is really simple to see that this sequence converges uniformly to the constant zero function, nevertheless the integral extended over R+ or R is constantly 1, so you can't apply the uniform convergence theorem result. The reason is that there is another assumption that is made in that theorem, i.e. the fact that the measure of the set involved must actually have finite measure, otherwise situation like the previous example can occur. Since in our case you're integrating over R+, which has infinite measure, I would avoid to use the result about uniform convergent series of functions and I would rather notice that the series has only nonnegative functions, which means you have a monotonic increasing series of functions, so that monotone convergence theorem can be applied eventually to justify the inversion of the order of the operations of summation and integration.
@del3t3d
@del3t3d Год назад
Great stuff
@tgx3529
@tgx3529 Год назад
I have used Lebesgue theory about majorant for the change suma And integral. x[(exp(-(N+1)x-1)/(exp(-x)-1)]≤x[ exp(-x)+1-1] ( for N=2), where N Is index S_N, (non-negative Borel-measurable functions guarantee the existence of the Lebesgues integrals).
@thesparksplug
@thesparksplug 6 лет назад
Wasn’t too familiar with the Gamma function but the partial integral did just fine too to get (1/n)^2.
@chariot9285
@chariot9285 5 лет назад
I never passed pre-calculus in high school haha but I love watching your videos!
@LetsSolveMathProblems
@LetsSolveMathProblems 5 лет назад
I'm glad you enjoy my videos! Without a doubt, commenters like you make my day. I do remark that high school math classes, generally speaking, cannot accurately gauge your true mathematical ability or potential. Tests based on memorization and blindly following a step-by-step procedure cannot possibly measure the thrill you experience when your creativity intermixes with an interesting problem to light up an elegant solution, nor can such tests successfully predict your love and passion for mathematics, without which learning mathematics often becomes a fruitless endeavor. =)
@bibek2599
@bibek2599 4 года назад
excellent explanation
@laugernberg4817
@laugernberg4817 5 лет назад
at 8:00 uniform convergence is a good argument for switching sum and integral, but actually it always holds if the terms are non-negative. (Beppo Levis theorem or Tonellis theorem) :D
@jaydeep_kumar_
@jaydeep_kumar_ 4 года назад
Extraordinary
@cesaraugustogilacosta5336
@cesaraugustogilacosta5336 5 лет назад
Haha, I really like your videos bro.
@anmolempire1197
@anmolempire1197 4 года назад
Best Solution 😊😊🇮🇳💓
@hoschi49
@hoschi49 5 лет назад
i have a small trick for this integral x * exp(-xn) . you can write this as minus d/dn exp(-xn) . then put - d/dn out of integral . Then just calculate integral of exp(-xn) from 0 to infinity which is easy. its just 1/n . then let - d/dn act on 1/n and you have 1/n^2
@giovannicorsini9254
@giovannicorsini9254 5 лет назад
Actually you can't refer to uniform convergence at all, because the sum does NOT converge uniformly. Here's why: for the sake of contradiction assume that the sum whose general term is exp(-nx) converges uniformly on R+. That would mean, by Cauchy criterion, that for a suitable N (chosen sufficiently large) we should have that the sup for x belonging to R+ of the modulus of the sum of the N-th,N+1-th,...N+p-th term would be smaller than a fixed quantity, say 1/2, FOR EVERY NONNEGATIVE INTEGER p>=0. This clearly implies that the general term of the series must actually converge to zero UNIFORMLY, but that's not the case, because FOR EVERY N, we have lim exp(-nx)=1 for x->0+. So the series does NOT converge uniformly, and the theorem couldn't be applied a priori anyway
@LetsSolveMathProblems
@LetsSolveMathProblems 5 лет назад
You are absolutely right. When I was filming the video, I mistakenly thought e^(-nx) only had to be uniformly convergent on (0, inf) for the theorem to apply; however, a uniform convergence at the endpoint(s) is also necessary (in our case, as you pointed out, our sequence of functions doesn't satisfy this at x = 0). I sincerely apologize for the error. The Monotone Convergence should have been used to justify the exchange. Thank you for notifying me! =)
@giovannicorsini9254
@giovannicorsini9254 5 лет назад
@@LetsSolveMathProblems You're welcome. I honestly don't know if the other comment is proper, cause I watched the video again and I realized only the 2nd time that you actually referred to Taylor series AND TO GEOMETRIC ONES when it came to investigate the uniform convergence, so you considered it the right way, even if you claimed a result for this kind of series (the geometric series of functions) that doesn't hold in general, because you have uniform convergence if the general term is bounded above by a positive real number which is less than 1, but the discussion in the other comment made it clear that's not the case at all (read in particular the limit argument, when I show that the general term does not converge to zero uniformly). Maybe that was the result you thought about, which is a corollary of Weierstrass total convergence criterion and eventually of Cauchy's criterion. But it can't be applied in this case for what I've just texted. Anyway I've appreciated your answer timing a lot. Thx for your answer, I think I'll watch other videos of yours at a later date. Till next time ;-)
@apta9931
@apta9931 6 лет назад
The starting integral is the function f(2) where f is the ζ(s)Γ(s) which is equal to S[0->Infinity] (x^(s-1))/(e^x - 1)
@markadams2979
@markadams2979 Год назад
AWESOME
@random_shit_online6104
@random_shit_online6104 5 лет назад
Amazing
@majamaakimbo2633
@majamaakimbo2633 5 лет назад
phenomal video
@faresberarma3349
@faresberarma3349 6 лет назад
Nice integral, but always great complications !! we can do it easier : x/(exp(x)-1)=x*exp(-x)/(1-exp(-x)) then let u=exp(-x) the integral will be integ from 0 to 1 the fraction -ln(u)/u-1 known 1/1-u=1+u+u^2+u^3+...+u^n the integral will be minus somme from n=0 to infinity integral from 0 to 1 u^n*lnu du integration by parts and it's done somme from n=0 to infinity 1/(n+1)^2 equal to pi^2/6
@pyrotas
@pyrotas 6 лет назад
Come on, it's the very same technique he used. He just wanted to pass through the gamma function definition for the sake of mentioning something extra which could be of interest to the viewers!
@subashsahu8925
@subashsahu8925 5 лет назад
Fares BERARMA i was thinking the same
@radiotv624
@radiotv624 5 лет назад
True but using the Gamma Function is more practical in my opinion because tougher Integrals (most with non elementary anti derivatives) incorporate incomplete/complete Gamma functions and this is a cool gateway of viewing things
@--_9623
@--_9623 5 лет назад
What do u mean with exp?
@gady-manuelalaoui6243
@gady-manuelalaoui6243 5 лет назад
@@--_9623 exp(x) is just e^x
@GammaDigamma
@GammaDigamma 5 лет назад
Very intuitive
@Sam-no2kb
@Sam-no2kb 6 лет назад
You should do some problems from the Calculus/Analysis section of the Berkeley Math Tournament
@emmanuelontiveros8446
@emmanuelontiveros8446 5 лет назад
Nice explanation
@dalek1099
@dalek1099 6 лет назад
Use Monotone Convergence Theorem rather than Uniform Convergence as it is much easier to show Monotone Convergence than Uniform Convergence which follows as the sum is a sum of positive quantities.
@amvandmusic2169
@amvandmusic2169 3 года назад
7:54 I'm not sure about this fact... Uniform convergence only allows to exchange sum/integral on a segment like [a,b], not an infinite set. In such case, you would need dominated convergence.
@Mod_on_exp
@Mod_on_exp 2 года назад
In this case, Monotone convergence should work fine.
@anthonyymm511
@anthonyymm511 Год назад
Yeah monotone convergence settles it in this case. You can always swap summation and integration if everything is non-negative.
@AsmaaSamir
@AsmaaSamir 4 года назад
Thanks.
@stof2905
@stof2905 2 месяца назад
WaaaaaW❤❤❤❤❤
@user-yu9mc6pu3q
@user-yu9mc6pu3q 4 года назад
Thank you
@mathisfortoul
@mathisfortoul 4 года назад
The part when you use Taylor series of a/1-r is false because for the zero of the integral, exp(-x) is equal to one, which not permitted by the very condition of the radius of convergence
@amitvarshney5662
@amitvarshney5662 4 года назад
You made it easy.
@pandabearguy1
@pandabearguy1 4 года назад
The double integral from minus inf to positive inf of sinx/x siny/y sin(x+y)/(x+y) dxdy also turns out to be exactly this
@MoodyG
@MoodyG 5 лет назад
Nice one :) which also btw leads to the conclusion that integ_from_0_to_inf(x*csch(x)) is (pi^2)/4, a rather neat answer :D
@ryofujino1107
@ryofujino1107 6 лет назад
素晴らしい! 非常に難しい問題ですが,とても勉強になりました.1/n^2からa/1-rを連想するとは.私自身,最初はe^xのTaylor展開に持ち込むのかと思っていました.
@adithyar4282
@adithyar4282 5 лет назад
awesome
@jadewolf3416
@jadewolf3416 6 лет назад
whoa, letssolvemathproblems fails along the way?!?! this is unprecedented! instant like and you put me in awe, lol. btw, is there something else i can call u by instead of letssolvemathproblems, perhaps your first name?
@LetsSolveMathProblems
@LetsSolveMathProblems 6 лет назад
My first name is Michael. Feel free to call me by LetsSolve, LetsSolveMathProblems, or by my first name. =) I'm glad you enjoyed the video, Jeff Wolfshire!
@emanuellandeholm5657
@emanuellandeholm5657 3 года назад
First impressions: I saw the connection to Zeta(2) immediately. :) Then I thought that the denominator could be rewritten as a geometric series. Going to watch the rest of the video now. Edit: I would have gone the integration by parts route, with the same result. The gamma function is much nicer tho!
@mohammedhubail1607
@mohammedhubail1607 6 лет назад
5:21 summation from 0 to infinity 😁😁
@NasirKhan-lq5jl
@NasirKhan-lq5jl 5 лет назад
I know I am too late( but I hope u see this LSMP) but actually it is a direct problem if one is aware of the relation between zeta and gamma function as: integral of (x^(s-1))/((e^ x)-1) from 0 to inf = zeta(s) * gamma(s) which in this case s=2 the answer is zeta(2)*gamma(2) =pi^2/6 *1!=pi^2/6
@denelson83
@denelson83 5 лет назад
So, does this give us some kind of intuition into the mechanics of ζ(s)?
@gagers78
@gagers78 4 года назад
Omg stumpled across this on my own. By using the integral of x^-k between 0 and inf then messing around using leibniz rule and summing stuff. U sub to get the bounds to converge. Then transform the bounds again.
@carlosv.ramirezibanez3305
@carlosv.ramirezibanez3305 6 лет назад
Excellent, I really like how you proved it
@rickybobby5584
@rickybobby5584 6 лет назад
or let e^(-x)=y then the integral will be int(y=0 to 1) ln(y)/(1-y), use the series expansion for the denominator and you will get sum(n=1 to inf) 1/n^2 which is zeta(2) which pi^2/6
@vanshjhunjhunwala974
@vanshjhunjhunwala974 3 года назад
I literally clicked on the video hoping to see if the Basel Series pops in at some place
@nberz692
@nberz692 4 года назад
I see that I found what I'll learn next
@gaurangagarwal3243
@gaurangagarwal3243 4 года назад
Here is my approach Take e^x common in denominator and then substitute e^-x =t We will get integration of the form of Ln(t)/1-t now substitute 1-t=p to get integration of the form of -Ln(1-p)/p expand Ln(1-p) using mclaurin expansion and integrate the algebric function to get 1+1/2^2+1/3^2... =π^2/6
@anthonyymm511
@anthonyymm511 Год назад
7:57 You don’t even need uniform convergence in this case. Everything is non-negative so it follows by monotone convergence theorem.
@johnpolychronopoulos6668
@johnpolychronopoulos6668 3 года назад
Nice approach but we could also show that this integral is ζ(2)×Γ(2)
@cbbuntz
@cbbuntz 2 года назад
pi^2/6 again? I can't escape that value. I keep running into it over and over. Something about the zeta function, but it shows up in the trigamma function and the 2nd(?) polylog when evaluated at 1 and it pops up all the time in integrals
@Ulumabulu3
@Ulumabulu3 5 лет назад
Nice Video. But, there is some minor thing that bothed me. When we replaced the integrand with the infinite geometric sum, we assumed r to be smaller than one. Strictly speaking, this is only true when x is bigger than zero. The geometric series evaluates to 0 for x = 0 (a = 0,r=1), while the integrand is equal to 1 at x = 0. Can we neglect this fact, because changing the integrand at one point does not alter the value of the integral?
@amritlohia8240
@amritlohia8240 3 месяца назад
Yes - we can just redefine the integrand to be 0 at x = 0.
@hichamismailialaoui6870
@hichamismailialaoui6870 5 лет назад
Man you didn't lie when you write a journey of integration :)⁩
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