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A car free neighborhood in car-centric Berlin: Möckernkiez 

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Designed by the residents themselves, Möckernkiez is a car-free neighborhood in central Berlin. Founded as a cooperative, the residents don't own their own apartments, but rather shares of the entire complex. When the kids leave home, they can switch to a smaller unit if they want. And the whole area is an open shared space safe for the elderly and children -- but only until you reach the first street in normal car-centric Berlin again.

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@Basta11
@Basta11 2 года назад
Why is it so hard to convince Americans that these types of communities should be allowed to exist? I'm not saying everybody should live this way, but allow people the option to live this way.
@FreyaEinde
@FreyaEinde 2 года назад
If I had any guess the time and organization to keep going with the formation of a co-op is beyond a lot of people.
@Basta11
@Basta11 2 года назад
@@FreyaEinde thats not the problem. The problem is that these types of development are largely illegal to build in most of the US.
@FreyaEinde
@FreyaEinde 2 года назад
@@Basta11 And the only way to make them not out of code would be a lengthy organization process that people would have to stay with and keep up on...which is difficult without a clear vision already packaged up
@Basta11
@Basta11 2 года назад
@@FreyaEinde well yeah. Slowly happening now with Strong Towns and Not Just Bikes. But yeah, it gets lost with all other issues.
@Joe-bs6hd
@Joe-bs6hd 2 года назад
I'm guessing you mean building these types of communities over suburbs, I think it's because people enjoy their privacy and quiet. Can't imagine sharing this tiny space and having annoying brat kids screaming on the top of their lungs playing soccer right outside my window. Just a guess
@Zoza15
@Zoza15 2 года назад
The Netherlands needs this, seriously!.. Not the bikes, but the car free neighborhood designs. This is amazing!.
@MrAronymous
@MrAronymous Год назад
WG-terrein, Funenpark, Justus van Effenkwartier.. we have plenty of examples already...
@bubbubs3337
@bubbubs3337 2 года назад
“Look how little space that cyclists and pedestrians have to share.” Me, an American: “Man, I would kill for that much space. At least there is a sidewalk with enough room to cycle on.”
@MaxItUpwithMarta
@MaxItUpwithMarta 2 года назад
I thought the same thing. I kept looking at the video wondering if I was just not seeing it right.
@edavenport93
@edavenport93 2 года назад
At least there is a sidewalk.
@dieterwettig
@dieterwettig 2 года назад
In der Spitze 23,32 Euro / m2 kalkulatorische Warmmiete. Die Miete (Nutzungsgebühr) kostet im Durchschnitt etwa 11,20 Euro (Nettokalt), die Spanne reicht von 8,62 bis 13,05 Euro. Dazu kommen 920 Euro unverzinsliche Einlage pro Quadratmeter Wohnfläche. Kapitalisiert man diese Einlage mit 5-10 % (das ist die durchshnittliche Wertentwicklung einer selbstgenutzten Eigentumswohung in Berlin in den letzten Jahren), würde die kalkulatorische Miete jeweils um 3,83 bis 7,67 Euro pro Quadratmeter steigen, in der Spitze wären das 20,72 Euro. Dazu kommen Nebenkosten von etwa 2,50 Euro. Macht in der Spitze 23,32 Euro / m2 kalkulatorische Warmmiete für Mieter mit 1A-Spitzenlagen in der Möckernkiez Genossenschaft. Das ist mir das Wohnen hier direkt am Park aber wert.
@thienphucn1
@thienphucn1 Год назад
The bicyle path even have a rail to separate it from the car lane. Meanwhile in my town in the US I would be lucky if there's a painted bike lane with no protection
@HigherQualityUploads
@HigherQualityUploads 2 года назад
These people probably have the best quality of life in the whole city. Cars are a scourge.
@evkennedy
@evkennedy 2 года назад
Really enjoyed this video! Never knew that Berlin is considered a car-centric city though--as an American, Berlin has always been my idea of a perfect city in regards to transit options!
@SturmZebra13
@SturmZebra13 2 года назад
@Daniel Gallagher Berlin and German cities in general are car-centric compared to some other countries like the Netherlands, I wish our cities were more like our neighbours'
@yoitsniam
@yoitsniam 8 месяцев назад
UK, Poland, Germany etc. are some of the most auto centric countries in Europe. Netherlands is quite literally the 1 country on Planet Earth that is gold standard & it's a shame -- at least there's Paris however that's a city not a country.
@JohanGustavLammers
@JohanGustavLammers 6 месяцев назад
There's the US and then, there's the world. Given its GDP p.c., the US is so far behind in pretty much everything, just to fund the global tyranny of its billionaire class.
@mikajacobsen860
@mikajacobsen860 2 года назад
This place is amazing. How are so many places so awful when they could be this good? What went so horribly wrong almost everywhere else?
@corapascale8817
@corapascale8817 3 года назад
This is such a cool story! I've never seen Berlin look this nice and it's incredible to see what people can do when they work together like this.
@thorstent2542
@thorstent2542 Год назад
Affordable housing is also relative, but on the other hand, of course, new housing cannot only be created for the poor (financed by the state) and the rich. So yes, projects like this are a good thing. Especially if communication in the neighborhood works.
@pavld335
@pavld335 7 месяцев назад
That looks like a great place to live.
@thorstent2542
@thorstent2542 Год назад
Where this settlement now stands was previously a dilapidated commercial area with little public, what was there on this section with the narrow pedestrian and cycle path were almost cyclists passing through. Normally, even in other sections of this street, the footpaths are wider.
@claudiawiedemer7914
@claudiawiedemer7914 3 года назад
Great! I really like it, I remember when this was all being planned- so cool how it turned out to be.
@wernerrietveld
@wernerrietveld 2 года назад
I am still wondering where the people who do own a car park it. Some commercial garage elsewhere? Is there an underground parking? (I saw the ground floor of the courtyard is a bit higher than the street) Do they just park on the public parking spaces in the area? I love the cooperative financial structure. I know one familiy in Aachen which lives in a similar (thought much much smaller) community, and the athmosphere is wonderfull whenever I visit.
@melanievsouza611
@melanievsouza611 Год назад
Bro I just was at this place when they filmed
@inesalag
@inesalag Год назад
Looooooove it! Thanks
@elhugo13
@elhugo13 Год назад
I want to live in a cooperative.
@cewlhwip
@cewlhwip Год назад
as an american, i live in the bay area so our cities here do have sidewalks and walkable areas unlike most american cities, but even then they are still car-centric, so you still have to be able to drive to be considered a functioning member of society. yes there are pedestrians and people playing on the street here but they aren't very common and you'll mostly see kids and teenagers doing that. i wish we could *at least* have a completely car-free neighborhood like berlin does. i'd love to hang out with more teens my age more often. the only good place to do that in my city is the downtown part so you'll see a lot of people walking and hanging out at night which is nice, but there isn't enough space for tons of people to set up gatherings and be able to socialize with other folk. i consider myself lucky for that, though i wish the whole city were more walkable. oh well
@eugenecharrington
@eugenecharrington Год назад
When will we have carfree towns in the Philadelhia, DC metro areas in Philly we dont even have car free blocks yet.....when is my question???
@eastfreeze
@eastfreeze 3 года назад
Eli, ich grüße dich und deine Kiez-Nachbar:innen -- freue mich auf meinen nächsten Berlin-Besuch!
@BPEKSupraInteractive
@BPEKSupraInteractive 2 года назад
I'm glad I found your channel and this video. It was very insightful!
@bobbyswanson3498
@bobbyswanson3498 2 года назад
crying in american after finding out berlin is considered car centric
@AlintraxAika
@AlintraxAika 2 года назад
I loved your channel, remembers me of not just bikes, city nerd and City beautiful. I hope it grows a lot
@Aeyekay0
@Aeyekay0 2 года назад
That’s awesome, would be great to get this in the USA. Wonder if they were inspired by Vauban
@ianhomerpura8937
@ianhomerpura8937 Год назад
They're planning to build one in Tempe, Arizona.
@LimitedWard
@LimitedWard Год назад
Forgive me for making such connections, but this type of co-op situation feels vaguely similar to HOAs in the US. The biggest difference, of course, being that everyone in an HOA owns their own private property and only the public spaces are shared. Do co-op comminities set rules on the look and feel of each house, and how do they deal with the types of conflicts that can occur between management and the people living there?
@elliottwalker8447
@elliottwalker8447 2 года назад
Wow this is such an informative video about such an interesting place thank you so much for making it, its like the comprehensive and slightly exhaustive videos of eco gecko and the stellar presentation of not just bikes combined. Keep it up.
@k_____________________
@k_____________________ 2 года назад
the amount of basedness in this neighborhood is insane
@shuweizhang9194
@shuweizhang9194 3 года назад
Cool~
@windbreaker2432
@windbreaker2432 Год назад
bUt cOmMUnIsM
@thienphucn1
@thienphucn1 2 года назад
Me who live in Texas seeing Berlin being called "car centric".
@gegekoester
@gegekoester 2 года назад
Wow nice! Where does anyone have the rest of the story of that project?
@MaxItUpwithMarta
@MaxItUpwithMarta 2 года назад
This is nice. I have a single family home and across the street there are some very loud neighbors that are just awful. When I see living units like this I wonder if you can hear everything that the neighbors are doing? Are they asked to not be loud or do they have loud parties? If they did this in Miami, I am afraid it would be awful. I am sure that many people would sneak in cars and there would be loud music and maybe drugs everywhere.
@somekek6734
@somekek6734 3 года назад
Cool
@matthewcain2880
@matthewcain2880 Год назад
So it’s pretty much an apartment complex without cars
@matthewcain2880
@matthewcain2880 Год назад
I wish they’d keep it no more than 3 stories high designed for mix use
@ianhomerpura8937
@ianhomerpura8937 Год назад
Six stories is also fine, like the one shown in the video.
@tobiaslauer7511
@tobiaslauer7511 2 года назад
Hi Craig, sehr schöner Beitrag! Ich habe versucht, Dich (wegen einer anderen Sache) per E-Mail und per Facebook zu erreichen, aber die Mails an PP kamen als unzustellbar zurück und FB benutzt Du ja (wie ich auch) kaum noch. Kann ich Dich irgendwie erreichen?
@tobiaslauer7511
@tobiaslauer7511 2 года назад
@@cities4people danke, kannst löschen
@edavenport93
@edavenport93 2 года назад
That road is only 4 lanes and has. wide sidewalks, it's not that bad. It could be 5 lanes and have no sidewalks.
@leonard.pw0792
@leonard.pw0792 Год назад
yeah but it could be much better aswell. imagine the road had 2 lanes. There would be space for street cars or just plants between the road and the sidewalk. this would make the street more calm and more beautiful
@MoBurkhardt
@MoBurkhardt 3 года назад
cool Klimaliste Berlin Election Posters
@christopherb.2986
@christopherb.2986 2 года назад
car-centric berlin? i dont even have a drivers license...
@cities4people
@cities4people 2 года назад
The definition of "car-centric" is not whether you have a driver's license, but whether the city is designed to accomodate cars at the expense of others. 51% of Berlners don't own a car, but the city isn't built for them.
@bahnspotterEU
@bahnspotterEU 2 года назад
@@cities4people That‘s an exaggeration. Berlin is very much human-scaled and not built for cars nearly to the extent that “car centric” suggests. I’ve lived there almost all my life and there are few areas (mostly industrial zones) that I’ve come across where I felt I didn’t belong as a pedestrian. Public transport is excellent and the whole city was easily accessible to me as a teenager, before I could have even gotten my driver’s license, had I wanted one.
@cities4people
@cities4people 2 года назад
@@bahnspotterEU I would disagree that Berlin is "human-scale", though that aspect is actually older than cars. The blocks are very large; it takes a long time to walk a block in most areas. The city was designed (again, before cars) to be majestic, not human-scale. The center of Potsdam is human-scale. Berlin is now completely overrun with cars parking everywhere, including illegally; public transport is ok but far too expensive (nearly 1,000 euros annually for an ABC ticket), and the mayor thinks people need cars, so little will change any time soon. Thanks for the comment, though!
@mrm7058
@mrm7058 Год назад
Nice idea, but sadly bland and ugly architecture.
@Seb512
@Seb512 Год назад
Nice, though one thing a lot of people don't realise is that Car infrastructure doesn't have to be run down and ugly like at the start of the video, large, high-capacity roads with wide and good-quality walking and cycling paths are a thing. Demonising one form of transport over another isn't the solution - we need a balance of options: walking, cycling, driving and public transport, making people spread out across options rather than forcing them to use one or the other
@c.s.s.1680
@c.s.s.1680 4 месяца назад
In a metropole like Berlin you do not need cars, when the infrastructure is good enough. Cars are loud, poluting and dangerous. Kind regards, a Berliner
@Seb512
@Seb512 4 месяца назад
@@c.s.s.1680 in cities public transport should be prioritised, but it isn’t removed entirely. Look at Amsterdam, and see how wide the surrounding motorways are to compensate
@MrAronymous
@MrAronymous Год назад
Street-facing shops aren't a "strip mall" lol.
@dalladi
@dalladi Год назад
Germans are so intense.
@katydid2877
@katydid2877 Год назад
Now do winter.
@DrJams
@DrJams 2 года назад
Without cars you will be timetable dependant and restricted to public transport's departure and arrival locations
@mardiffv.8775
@mardiffv.8775 2 года назад
Berlin has an excellent, frequent public transport network. 67 % of the residents are carfree. What a huge contrast with the US.
@thienphucn1
@thienphucn1 2 года назад
Or we could increase transit frequency to a point where they come so often you wouldn't need to look at the schedule
@mardiffv.8775
@mardiffv.8775 2 года назад
@@thienphucn1 Yes indeed, my friend. Every 10 minutes trains connects the 4 major Dutch cities of Amsterdam, the Hague, Rotterdam and Utrecht. Tokyo is the same. Train run every 10 minutes. The mayor of Bogota, Colombia said: "A country is developed when the rich take public transport. Instead of everybody owning a car".
@blitzn00dle50
@blitzn00dle50 Год назад
You're already restricted to where roads go, it's just that we've built so many of them that nobody thinks about it
@ianhomerpura8937
@ianhomerpura8937 Год назад
Bikes can still give a level of personal freedom, even more than cars.
@oemschutz8220
@oemschutz8220 3 года назад
the new puritans,!
@martinn.6082
@martinn.6082 2 года назад
How? They objectively live a better life for cheaper than car owners. I'm a car owner myself, btw.
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