A Challenge Only Sonic CAN'T Win - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

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- Live and Learn (Instrumental) - Sonic Adventure 2
- Green Hill Zone (Sonic The Hedgehog) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
- Chemical Plant (Classic) - Sonic Generations
- Crisis City (Classic) - Sonic Generations
- Rooftop Run (Classic) - Sonic Generations
- Live & Learn (Sonic Adventure 2) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
- Escape from the City (Sonic Adventure 2) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
- Knight of the Wind (Sonic and the Black Knight) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
- Open Your Heart (Sonic Adventure) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
- Reach for the Stars (Sonic Colors) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

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@Prowder 2 года назад

Did you ever fall Down Stairs? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RLY-RfSGhPE.html

@ILoveYouMetaKnight 2 года назад

I don't fall down the stairs.

@cursedcat6467 2 года назад

@squidkid king k rool is slow lol

@LoyaLPikmin 2 года назад

I have, also, please try to make a stage only sonic can do

@justinnzamora5366 2 года назад

Think you can come up with an All But One challenge for my girl Peach?

@kirby_poyo 2 года назад

I don't fall down, I fall up

@8lFx 2 года назад

“The rest of the characters are Captain Falcon, Meta Knight, Dr Mario, and HungryBox.” best line.

@tiffyw92 2 года назад

How could he!? This is Bassmage erasure! D:

@braxtonthelucario2129 2 года назад

I thought he butcherd jiggly puff for a second but rewinded it snd heard Hungrybox and i was laughin

@robocatssj3theofficial 2 года назад

also i think he said Meeta Knight.

@cookiecatto 2 года назад

I loved that lol

@MetalRodent83 2 года назад

Ikr I was looking at this in class with subtitles on and I obvsly couldn’t use volume, and I saw hungry box and was like huh? That a typo?

@juliansoria7733 2 года назад

Sonic is the kind of character that can literally overcome almost any obstacle so finding this is kind of interesting. Just don't let Eggman find this, I don't like the idea of him hiring you.

@johnathanegbert9277 2 года назад

Build a room out of Tungsten Carbide around him in his sleep

@ModernAegis 2 года назад

"Hiring" is a strong word.

@juliansoria7733 2 года назад

@@ModernAegis U right

@extremeboi9207 2 года назад

Just put water and this hedgehog is out lol

@TheSackersLounge 2 года назад

@@ModernAegis more like forcing

@dave9515 2 года назад

Sonic moves forward with his downtilt so he could dtilt his way to the end where the portal is since he never leaves crouch after spamming dtilt.

@proyOFC 2 года назад

Up so he sees this

@Xenoks01 2 года назад

Can't, he gets hit when down tilting, and even then it doesn't actually move him forward since he always comes back to the same spot after using it

@Gustavo-po9bd 2 года назад

I wonder why spin dash doesn't work but damn villager side B works even though he is inside the lava

@Neco_Arc_Fuc_U 2 года назад

@@Gustavo-po9bd hitbox becomes the rocket itself, witch is wierd

@abazxy7313 2 года назад

Yea so that means he can win

@rpmguy648 2 года назад

Another challenge Sonic can't win: getting another character from his franchise in Smash. Edit: Another playable character

@foxonrye 2 года назад

Actually mega man and pac man cant do that either. Also bayo

@enforcer0regidragoregicean902 2 года назад

E M O T I O N A L D A M A G E

@cronkinthehouse 2 года назад

Having a good moveset

@macaemeia146 2 года назад

Bruh

@dickish-duck1090 2 года назад

**Knuckles and Tails' Mii outfits staring at you from the distance.**

@thebananaspeedruns9275 2 года назад

4:05 “ Ok the rest characters are Caption Falcon, Meta Knight, Dr. Mario, and HungryBox.” Is a line that will always be funny

@NeoGraena 2 года назад

Same. Love how Jigglypuff is now representing HBox to the Smash community

@kyleclair41 2 года назад

9:17 haha I love how Wario's bike cheeses so many challenges.

@coolbuck7214 2 года назад

Its kinda funny how op it is

@Keiidryn Год назад

There’s the new challenge then. A stage that only Wario can’t beat.

@justinnzamora5366 2 года назад

Wario & Villager: *Have lava in their heads* Lava: I'm going to pretend I'm not there.

@schozten 2 года назад

Can't forget to mention Bowser

@izzywood2874 2 года назад

@@schozten has lava ever been a real issue for bowser

@iforgormyname 2 года назад

hitbox moment

@crispybacon9481 2 года назад

@@izzywood2874 yes

@drumitch 2 года назад

Interesting that it's not considered a stagebuilder glitch for the challenge, can they never get hit in there head or is it that the hitboxes aren't actually as high as they should be while riding their vehicles?

@pradhu6939 2 года назад

Prowder: His biggest weakness is his range Sonic’s F-smash: *sweats nervously*

@yoshidude8345 7 месяцев назад

It seems we’be been decieved.

@enderevilherobrine9031 2 года назад

Sephiroth flexing by going through the Incineroar route.

@aethar2750 2 года назад

I find it hysterical how bowser, one of the antagonists meant to be big and scary, can just casually crawl under something that needs someone to be small enough to fit it

@zainepittman653 Год назад

It's like his ginormous shell doesn't contain a hitbox until Up-B and Up-Smash are used.

@toxic_shr00m 11 месяцев назад

@@zainepittman653Hurtbox, not hitbox. A hurtbox is the collision of the character, while a hitbox is the collision of the attacks the characters use.

@FroststormFrenzy 2 года назад

Sonic: *Small, Speedy hedgehog curled into a ball* Bowser: *A giant fire breathing turtle* This challenge: *Bowser crawls under lava that's too low for Sonic*

@gaminggod3127 2 года назад

I DON'T GET IT

@FroststormFrenzy 2 года назад

@@gaminggod3127 Sonic is far smaller than Bowser. Bowser manages to complete the lava crawl. Sonic cannot.

@alexanderdahms4001 2 года назад

@@FroststormFrenzy logic

@zainepittman653 Год назад

@@alexanderdahms4001 When do Nintendo games ever use the concept of "Logic?" To Nintendo, logic means nothing.

@Project_09 11 месяцев назад

Bowser can handle a little lava, he IS a turtle-dragon.

@heroessquad2019 2 года назад

Before: Sega does what Nintendon't Now: Nintendo is something that Segain't

@heroessquad2019 2 года назад

@Cliven Soewarna Fair

@ricosimon1057 2 года назад

Thanks to yay, sonic able to win this challenge by wide margin, check yay & find this video called,"[DEBUNK] A Challenge Only Sonic Can’t Win" by yay, That’s what Sega does what Nintendon’t.

@nexus8824 2 года назад

@Cliven Soewarna indeed, i have NEVER seen nintendo fangames go far without a takedown, not to mention they could get potentially good devs out of their fans.

@vega2466 2 года назад

Wow, I didn’t know Prowder was a Sonic fan!

@Prowder 2 года назад

Gotta go fast

@INTRUDIC_H0ST 2 года назад

@@Prowder You’re too slow!

@onlynovus42069 2 года назад

You learn something new everyday!

@jonadon 2 года назад

@@Prowder What did you do? I love Sonic. How dare you? That’s it! I’m going to dislike your video for doing that because I’m a Sonic fan!

@chrisdbest1516 2 года назад

@@jonadon over reacting its just a video its not like it a hate video😒😴

@Jet_Set_Sonic 2 года назад

Wait a second, Almost all smash characters are from Nintendo, and Sonic can't complete this challenge... Nintendoes what Segadon't

@illumin187 2 года назад

If I remember correctly I think Bayonetta is also by Sega tho

@OrigamiAhsoka 2 года назад

@@illumin187 she was purchased by Nintendo before added into sm4sh. Your point still stands though with characters like Snake and Joker

@supersonicspeedster8096 2 года назад

No plz don’t

@cuttsthecat6331 2 года назад

@@OrigamiAhsoka Actually Sega still owns Bayonetta, they just license out the IP to Nintendo

@ultrasanic1356 2 года назад

Sega owns bayonetta? This unexpected news for me

@Cyrovolt 2 года назад

“His moves don’t have the best range” *Literally has a meme where his f-smash hits across the entire galaxy*

@Proxi. 2 года назад

I think i have 2 hard challenge ideas. "A challenge only the miis can't do" and "A challenge only Dr.Mario can do"

@Moistmilk173 2 года назад

He should do a challenge only mega man can’t do

@betchaos7383 2 года назад

I feel like the ultimate “all but one” challenge would be brawl meta knight on the brawl stage builder

@rubixtheslime 2 года назад

Easy, just make a challenge where you have to go an entire 30 seconds without spamming tornado.

@DarkFrozenDepths 2 года назад

Interesting 2 and only idea I have. Cloud and Sephiroth. Curious if that's possible.

@lilsp2647 2 года назад

A Sephiroth one and only would be good also

@tiffyw92 2 года назад

Definitely possible. Sephiroth just blitzed through Incineroar's route and both he and Cloud can outmaneuver Incineroar (and Ganondorf). I'm curious to see if there are alternate routes that don't use that particular setup, though. Cloud's Limit Climhazzard also gives him a good vertical distance, he can act shortly out of it, and coupled with his projectile range, we can arrange a setup with a tight lava tunnel switch that blocks off most others. Seph has even better mobility, so his One-and-Only is much easier... unless we take it another step further and see how many ways he can show off.

@tehesprite502 2 года назад

@@tiffyw92 I assume DarkFrozenDepths means a Two-and-Only for them.

@tiffyw92 2 года назад

@@tehesprite502 I know, though I ended up responding to both OP and Lils P2's reply. I haven't tested it out in the game yet, though, so anyone who knows better can correct me.

@germanoschefo 2 года назад

everyone: taunts normally villager: let me rub this stick on your foot

@RealTal. 2 года назад

it would be cool to see a "only floaties can do it" challenge. By floaties i mean characters like yoshi, mewtwo, jiggly, sora, and all the other floaty characters Im forgetting.

@justinnzamora5366 2 года назад

Peach & Daisy: Did you say floating?

@legendarygreen-hero359 2 года назад

Would luigi and kirby, king DDD and meta knight count

@hiichur25 2 года назад

Ness too, his jumps were always floaty.

@strickshot 2 года назад

Blucas

@user-yv3ke7mg2l 2 года назад

*Bowser?*

@SoshiTheYoshi 2 года назад

I like how Duck Hunt Duo wins this just by taking the dog for a walk

@Hornett1997 2 года назад

I love how the player 2 sonic is simply dying inside seeing everyone complete it

@JRacer524 2 года назад

I like how Wolf just howls in Sonic's face like he's laughing at him. 😄

@ZX_STH 2 года назад

The Bowser one lmao. Also I can't test this since I don't have my switch rn, but one the upper left path Sonic could potentially do the little wiffed homing attack bounce thing and then spincharge into a double jump directional air dodge.

@gamerman6621 2 года назад

I feel like a all but wario would be interesting, since he tends to make a lot of challenges trivial.

@JDLong006 2 года назад

6:54 luigi sends sonic to the shadow realm

@jessicaindagarage3244 2 года назад

I love how puff is just straight up called hungrybox

@zainepittman653 Год назад

Hungrybox is famous Jiggly main, course you probably know that already.

@TaleOfTheToaster 2 года назад

I won’t try and debunk at 5am, buttt, I do think the tight tunnel might be possible for Sonic. He has a technique called the “spinshot” where you charge up a Spin Dash, but basically cancel this with a jump in the first one or two frames, resulting in an extremely horizontal jump. You basically charge up the Spin Dash, then scrape your fingers off B and straight onto A, like the Corrin instant pin. The only thing I’m not sure about is how much height he gains during this, it can’t be much more than short hop height, but maybe an air dodge could keep him out of lava’s way. Maybe I’ll have to try it if nobody else has by tomorrow! Cheers for making another video in this series though, it’s my favourite kind

@magnanereseres5048 2 года назад

Ok now I want to see it , will you upload it to your channel?

@TaleOfTheToaster 2 года назад

@@magnanereseres5048 Looks like the Spinshot still went a little too high

@magnanereseres5048 2 года назад

@@TaleOfTheToaster oh, well, It was worth trying

@enderkaix 2 года назад

Sonic could've easily complete the challenge by Using his F-smash on the switch. His F smash has longer range than Donkey Kong with invincibility frames.

@MaskedGuyCh 2 года назад

10:58 How this can make it while Sonic's spin dash can't-

@Ryusuta Год назад

I like how Simon and Richter both hit the switch in a different way just to show how trivial it is for them.

@ChrisJohnson-yw2ky 2 года назад

I like that this feels like an overall homage to Sonic, especially with all the music. Escape From the City was always my favorite. Brings me back!

@joshkool7984 2 года назад

Next video: A Challenge only Sonic CAN win Because Sonic is canonically my favorite character in the whole game.

@Plugytheplug 2 года назад

Make a speed thing so fast only sonic can make it

@joshkool7984 2 года назад

I think there’s a limit on the wind thing in stage builder that characters like Little Mac and Captain Falcon can surpass. So this one would be unique.

@Plugytheplug 2 года назад

@@joshkool7984 well then the other fast characters probably don't have a good recovery while sonic has a decent recovery and he also has a spring projectile that he could use somehow

@Jet_Set_Sonic 2 года назад

I have visualized in my mind and I can say that a one and only of Sonic will be quite easy to do, since Sonic jumps exaggeratedly high and far, and it is unnecessary to speak of his speed. some characters that reach a high vertical height don't have a high vertical distance (and the same thing can happen but in reverse), and those that do have both aren't as fast (like pacman), and the ones that are fast don't go as high, (like capt. falcon and little mac )

@____David 2 года назад

@@Plugytheplug Do a timer set up with something where you have to run somewhere before some lava on a track can block the exit or something

@EsmeeAnnamarie 2 года назад

Me when I read the title: "Does this challenge involve swimming?"

@wandanialimranbinwansula3616 Год назад

If the water was hot and molten, then it was a yes

@BBQPringlesEnjoyer 2 года назад

I don't know if you've checked in another video, but a spinshot might just barely be able to make the lava tunnel jump from just off the platform with an airdodge. The windbox is probably a no go, but the tunnel is worth checking out if you revisit it.

@schozten 2 года назад

I HAVE WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS

@TripleTowerStudios 2 года назад

"You can't abuse stage builder bugs to succeed by passing through lava" Hold on. I'm gonna make a path where you can get through by abusing stage builder to pass through lava.

@Hyrules-knight 2 года назад

bowser is weird

@TripleTowerStudios 2 года назад

@@Hyrules-knight Talking about Incinerator.

@fishguymandude 2 года назад

I think thats called abysing incineroars hurtbox

@RachelForbes 2 года назад

prowder: a challenge only sonic cant do nana: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?

@guesaw 2 года назад

Pikmins:

@STHFan1992 2 года назад

@@guesaw *Pikmin

@aydenator2770 2 года назад

@@STHFan1992 how about… pikmen 🤔

@STHFan1992 2 года назад

@@aydenator2770 Nope, just Pikmin.

@STHFan1992 2 года назад

Also, both Ice Climbers can go through the portal simultaneously by using Squall Hammer.

@kirby_poyo 2 года назад

With the new Sonic movie out this just fits it

@ryuki5438 2 года назад

I don't know if its possible, but I came pretty close with a well timed spinshot-> side airdodge in the left upper lava segment. You have to come from somewhere between the wind and metallic platform. Ps: Not a Sonic main

@WhiteVanEpidemic 2 года назад

Thanks for trying it. I was wondering about that and if it would work.

@supersonicspeedster8096 2 года назад

I WAS ALWAYS WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO. I love Sonic but he can do to many challenges

@Clononic 2 года назад

Sonic watching dis video : THATS NO GOOD

@KiwiBald. 2 года назад

the "and hungrybox" got me dying of laughter

@AidenandBella1114 2 года назад

4:05 "So the rest characters are Captain Failcon,Meeta Knight,Dr Mahio and Hungry Box" accents are funny

@quipo2029 2 года назад

it would be cool if you did a challenge that only piranha plant can win. He doesn't get a lot of love so it would be cool to see something like that.

@Sukaiba69 2 года назад

Are you even surprised though That spot coulda gone for any iconic or unique character in the vast videogame world, and a damn random pipe piranha gets it

@ReallyAstral 2 года назад

fans wanted to see Waluigi but instead got a joke character

@zainepittman653 Год назад

@@ReallyAstral Fans wanted Waluigi. Instead, the letter arrives in Waluigi's mailbox while he's away, so his Piranha Plant takes the letter instead.

@mitchelldingodilehomie4230 2 года назад

Glad you’ve at least done my favorite heavy incinaroar but what about wario can he be next

@jesterartsdj3699 2 года назад

Wow your a Sonic fan too. I’m subbing just cause I respect you! Nice videos man, Sonic speed my homie 👍💚

@cooperbrodbeck7206 2 года назад

I didn’t know you’re a sonic fan and I respect that

@shade72015 2 года назад

It’s funny that Wario is able to cheat it by not going through a portal that’s very fitting for his character

@JediSteve-J3- 2 года назад

Just fill a section with water and then make the other paths for those who can't swim Inkling can climb up a wall and through a tight space. R.O.B. has a projectile (but he might be able to swim) Ummm Who else can't swim Like, I know Charizard can... Hmmm Oh uhhhhh, can pit swim? I mean he can't read sooooooooo. Hmmm Wait what was I talking about? Right, so the reason you should own a giant stuffed banana is...

@the-protogen-of-the-sky Год назад

Who else got a sonic ad for this? Lava: *_literally in bowser's shell which is part of bowser's hitbox_* Also lava: no i doht damaeg

@mixelator9439 2 года назад

Now do a challenge that only Zero Suit Samus can’t do

@kidover3245 2 года назад

Best test of the year

@braydengillaspie9149 2 года назад

Me when I saw Bowser crawl underneath that little tunnel Me: how did lizard fit in that but sonic spindash can not

@jordan-the-hound2323 11 месяцев назад

Everyone: Makes an effort to not touch the lava Wario: *wahaha bike go vroom vroom*

@SomeGuyNamedDezecra Год назад

9:02 "Fight me." Literally stabbing Sonic

@liamgaming6752 Год назад

What Eggman watches when he is not trying to conquer the world.

@PhantomAkira5 2 года назад

Great video. Subbed! Now do a challenge that only Ness can't beat

@pasqualembisceglia1989 2 года назад

Congratulations! 88 Super Smash Bros Ultimate did make it except Sonic the Hedgehog.

@Infinight_Mage 2 года назад

Ah yes, the well known fairy type Pokémon, Hungrybox

@EliteZera465 2 года назад

10:57 Villager’s body was literally inside the lava what? 🤨

@somedude5426 2 года назад

this came as soon as the movie came out lol

@EnderCatAGZ12 2 года назад

You sound like professor Von Schlemmer! This is pretty cool stage, ngl.

@LiamKelleher1 2 года назад

I like how Wario went out of the map a different way

@EliteZera465 2 года назад

12:04 Bowser jr. and the duck on duck hunt just got their face burnt 🥵

@mr.blue6421 2 года назад

A challenge only Hero can’t do would be cool!

@fulcrummc 2 года назад

7:26 is pure bowser one and only material

@arthurmerkel1615 Год назад

seeing bowser crawling under was unhinged

@florindocaruso4859 2 года назад

Egg man after this video be like:Hired

@Kyoobur9000 2 года назад

*Villager:* literally intersects with the lava, no damage *Sonic:* one of his quills brushes past the lava, f•••ing dies

@ricosimon1057 2 года назад

Yay: not exactly.

@kimsparks9278 2 года назад

Lol

@rafaelhines1178 2 года назад

"Eggman, or should I say dr robotnik." No, eggman.

@remyfauteux3603 2 года назад

6:47 Pikachu is just so cute when he does this taunt lol

@irenel9726 Год назад

Intro : 0:00 , rules: 1:15 stage creation: 1:56 everyone trying it: 5:55

@juanpablouriascruz1411 2 года назад

6:35 Don't get too cocky, Starfox!

@kylefinn5301 11 месяцев назад

The lava gap may be accomplished by a well timed spin shot. Also it may be possible to hit the lever with his F smash.

@Plugytheplug 2 года назад

Gotta go fast! *At losing*

@someguyness 2 года назад

I guarantee you that some obscure speedrunner will somehow manage to beat this with sonic

@Ashley3AndKnuckles 2 года назад

"THAT'S IT, YOU'RE GOING TO MINECRAFT!"

@PhoeniksStorm 2 года назад

How about this. You go to the Great Cave Offensive stage and/or the Great Temple and see which characters final smash can reach the opponent, when you're on different sides

@silverjn2970 2 года назад

a challenge that only Sonic can hope for

@Sanic_Hegehog 2 года назад

I still am so glad they added both me and Sonk in the movies

@tarajipowell9227 2 года назад

I don’t think you’ve tried this yet but have you tried the top left part with sonic but instead with a spin dash followed up with a precision jump just before he hits the lava? I just wanna see if it works

@JRENZO10 2 года назад

The problem with running at the speed of light is you can only live in darkness

@thebestsonic7660 11 месяцев назад

If this was an actual sonic game, I see a few ways I could do this.

@fulcrummc 2 года назад

What if you do a series only? as in all Mario characters? Special "Only" challenges Mario/Luigi DK/KK Rool (Y/T)Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganon Samus, ZSS, Ridley Kirby, Metaknight, King DDD Fox, Falco, Wolf Ness, Lucas Pokemon Shiek, Zelda Mario, Dr Mario Captain Falcon, Ganondorf (Dark)Pit, Palutena Donkey and Diddy Kong Shulk, Pythra Bowser + Jr Ryu, Ken, Terry, Kazuya

@user-ft9hf3ec3i Год назад

interesting! are you interested in joining the eggman empire? we could def use someone like you

@pandocula1953 2 года назад

Just in time for the sonic movie

@noobynate_4955 2 года назад

I didn't expect bowser to crawl through there

@DA-hb7yn 2 года назад

2:59 holy balls I actually guessed right. No one will truly feel how awesome that feels

@gamerbro5674 2 года назад

If Sonic Can't Do It Then Why's There A Sonic Waiting At The End

@mariopartier123 Год назад

I dunno, Sonic does get through a portal on one of those paths. And if you say "oh but he touched the lava" another character also touched lava on their attempt and still made it. It counts

@Keggalovania 2 года назад

I like how Joker just shoots the lever

@JuiceD123 2 года назад

Wait. Looks on on computer to look at all the sonic games. Closes the computer. He listed every game in the series

@edfreak9001 2 года назад

I kinda wanna see "A Challenge only Sora Can't Do" but idk how you'd do it

@anstane1793 2 года назад

Here is an idea I have: a Wario one and only where he is NOT allowed to touch lava while on his bike. Because if you allowed that, you could probably just make the "Under the lava" challenge again with lava on the ground.

@yumerios 2 года назад

Crush 40 in music background always hits nice

@Prowder 2 года назад

I love crush 40 music. I first wanted to include "What I'm Made Of" from Sonic Heroes but copyright..

@yumerios 2 года назад

@@Prowder Oh yea, this one is really nice too, sad that copyrights had to come I wonder if you could've include crush 40's cover of With me (final boss theme of Sonic and the Black Knight) this one hits well too Anyway really nice video as always keep up the good work !

@marcellitaiff1771 2 года назад

Can you make a little mac one and only? This would be very simple, I guess 🤔

@tektonik4616 2 года назад

I mean, a low ceiling wind run start would take out almost everyone, so it would be stupidly easy

@MrGoBoom 2 года назад

@@tektonik4616 who would even be left?

@tektonik4616 2 года назад

@@MrGoBoom Hero with a little luck? Literally since he needs to shrink himself and accelerate both... besides that, I don't know if anyone else could

@____David 2 года назад

@@tektonik4616 Grenninja or Joker maybe

@tektonik4616 2 года назад

@@____David can they? if so, I don't know how to get rid of either of them... but either they can't get low enough or they can't go past the max speed wind... you need to be able to do both simultaneously after all in that first set, and it would be long enough that Sonic can't do it like seen in this video of course, so I don't see any hope for either of them