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A Comparison of Deburring Techniques 

Steel Drake
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This is just a quick comparison of three different deburring techniques: Pulling the apex though a piece of wood, pulling the apex through a cork, and shearing off the burr using high angle passes.
If anyone watching this has had any repeatable success with pulling the apex though a stiff material to deburr, could you please leave a comment and explain the techniques, because I found I had no success whatsoever with any pull-through deburring technique.

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@briangentry3118
@briangentry3118 5 лет назад
I agree with your (presumed) assumption that "tearing off" the burr isn't as good as grinding it off. In my experience carefully grinding off the burr works better than the shearing methods that I have tried. However, in the interest of accuracy, I think you did the "draw through wood" technique wrong. The normal way of doing this is to pull the blade through the end grain, not cut into the wood fibers from the side. I believe that you folded the burr over rather strongly by doing this. You can hear the blade squeaking against the paper at the heel of the blade when it won't cut it. I think that's the burr all folded over making a large blunt "blanket" over the top of the edge. Pulling through end grain is more like a tiny little vice pressing against the sides of the blade and pulling the burr off by friction. When you do this, you will notice that a lot of gray or black material is stuck in the grain of the wood, demonstrating that something was removed from the blade. Going from the side of the wood grain does not allow this "vice" action to happen. Again, I think grinding is superior and your results were very nice. Just sharing my observations with you.
@dimmacommunication
@dimmacommunication 2 года назад
I remove the burr on the stone by very light strokes
@billmanning8806
@billmanning8806 Год назад
End grain pull both directions is even better than one direction. Knife handle down one pull down. Knife handle up one push down. Notice that, in each wood crease, you will see metal flakes left behind.
@drewrinker2071
@drewrinker2071 3 месяца назад
After the high angle passes, I'm wondering if you may have over sharpened it, with 4 passes on each side, which introduced a small micro burr. Anytime I do this myself I find that it always cuts better if I leave it alone after doing very light pressure reverse high angle passes on my honing rod, then if I try to do any number of passes on the original sharpening angle, so with that said if there is a tiny micro bevel there, oh well I can live with that, because whenever I try to "fix" it, it just makes it worse
@kennymanchester
@kennymanchester 3 года назад
This comparison video was an exciting thing to watch. And painful. I guess I never really thought about the wood dragging method of tearing off burr quite like this before. Just the word tearing makes me shudder after all the work to profile and apex a blade. Your high-angle pass method does seem very useful under similar circumstances, such as edge leading sharpening on a firm abrasive. If using a “slurry” whetstone abrasive, I wonder if one can get the same deburring effect and results using edge trailing strokes with light pressure at a high-angle? In any case, I will try this method out during my next batch of knives. On another note, I’ve noted that some sharpeners, such as yourself, rotate their blade through the curve to the tip, while others just lift the handle slightly with no rotation. I’m curious to know if you think rotating has any advantage over just lifting the handle. One impact I can actually see is the scratch pattern of the knife bevel through the belly to the tip isn’t congruent if one rotates the blade. Thanks again, K
@IIISWILIII
@IIISWILIII 4 года назад
I shear my burrs off lightly with a hand held super fine honing stone. I try to matching or go slightly Over the angle I sharpen the blade at to catch the Burr. I can feel the slight resistance if I have the right angle and the Burr is coming off. My line of thinking is that the super fine stone will create the least amount of disturbance as the fresh edge is exposed
@m00nsplitter72
@m00nsplitter72 6 лет назад
An interesting demonstration, but as someone that does use pine to de-burr from time to time, I combine use of pine with ever lighter passes on the stone, and this does tend to work very well in leaving a clean edge. On some steels this can however take some time and patience, and I will experiment with high-angle passes as demonstrated, but I thought it worth mentioning because it doesn't seem to be a fair comparison against my technique (not that I consider myself an expert sharpener). I enjoy your videos and your sharing of ideas, and am glad to have discovered your channel.
@TheSpiritWalk
@TheSpiritWalk 6 лет назад
Well I have seen mag. images with edges as clean as yours with both the cork, wood and felt block methods. Of course they didn't grind them through hard like you did,. So I guess, in the end, its all about technique, as usual.
@yawningdog9894
@yawningdog9894 4 года назад
Can someone please clarify that shearing the burr off with high angle passes on edge leading as opposed to edge trailing makes a differance or is it personal preference.
@raimundomartinsdeloiolafil7879
Faz diferença.
@collinjohnson7006
@collinjohnson7006 6 лет назад
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@thiago.assumpcao
@thiago.assumpcao 2 года назад
I have tried several methods to deburr and edge leading is the best I found. After deburr you can get a finer edge with alternating edge trailing strokes, with low grit stones the difference is quite noticeable.
@Sharp.Penguin00
@Sharp.Penguin00 9 месяцев назад
Do you do this high angle pass on the finishing stones? I have king 1000/6000 so I assume I would sharpen on 1000, raising a burr on both sides. Then use 6000 to polish the edge and high angle passes? Then the edge leading to remove micro bevel?
@thiago.assumpcao
@thiago.assumpcao 9 месяцев назад
@@Sharp.Penguin00 The way I sharpen depends on the use of the knife. For chef knives I lower sharpening angle to about 7 degrees and finish with a 15 degree microbevel. As long as you cut without impact and don't touch bones this is strong enough to hold an edge even with soft 53HRC steel. I don't remove the microbevel, going lower than 15 degrees will damage edge retention on most knives except some high end cutlery. Optimizing sharpening angle it's not so simple but that's a good starting point. The stone I finish depends on what I plan to cut. Barbecue, cooked meat, rope and vegetables goes well with low grit. Hair, wood and raw meat goes well with high polish. For a general purpose chef knife I recommend from 1k to 6k finish depending on how much raw meat you cut.
@Sharp.Penguin00
@Sharp.Penguin00 9 месяцев назад
@@thiago.assumpcao thank you! I use my chef knife for almost everything. Cutting whole chicken, veggies, steak slices, etc. Just so I'm understanding correctly, you recommend finishing on a 6k to polish the edge and then raise the angle? Or just use the 6k to make the micro bevel?
@thiago.assumpcao
@thiago.assumpcao 9 месяцев назад
@@Sharp.Penguin00 I leave 1K once the knife is shaving or cutting paper towels. Several experienced friends prefer leaving it at 1k. I cut a lot of raw meat so I prefer to finish 3-6k, on these stones usually I only work on the microbevel but if you polish near the apex it has slightly better cutting performance. A friend of mine likes to polish the edge on 6K then finish with a microbevel on the 1K.
@barnes441
@barnes441 4 месяца назад
❤ ​@@thiago.assumpcao
@theone614
@theone614 5 лет назад
Your video is upside down T^T
@jm8land439
@jm8land439 2 года назад
I’m surprised that you did not use a leather strap with compound. I always use 320 grit silicon carbide stones and they work great and two or three strokes on a leather strop with white compound will give you a razor sharp edge that will shave hair.
@billyboy7
@billyboy7 8 месяцев назад
Drake, thanks forthe video. What stone is this and are you using oil as a lube?
@JDStone20
@JDStone20 8 лет назад
After sleeping on this idea, I was wondering what would happen if you did this same test doing Murray Carter technique, were he does a few passes after deburring in wood, or BluntCuts fold and cut technique, again were after he folds the burr to one side, he cuts it off on the stone. What do you think? ;)
@steeldrake838
@steeldrake838 8 лет назад
Can you give send me a link to those two so I can check them out?
@nietztsuki
@nietztsuki 6 лет назад
Yes, Murray Carter recommends very lightly (i.e. Weight of the blade) pulling the blade across a piece of softwood a couple of times, followed by a few edge trailing stropping strokes on a polishing stone (King 6000) to restore the edge after burr removal. I'm sure other methods work just as well, however as a 17th generation Master Bladesmith, Murray is no doubt looking for expediency as well as efficiency. He makes and sharpens hundreds of high-end knives per year, and must do so in a cost efficient manner.
@briangentry3118
@briangentry3118 5 лет назад
@@steeldrake838 The fold over technique, as demonstrated by Bluntcut, is here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-l2ynSDYEUYI.html I hope you enjoy it. I think that video is packed with good information.
@davidaddleman9622
@davidaddleman9622 Год назад
I de-burr with the end grain of a 2x then give it one or two quick stripping passes and that generally seems to refine the edge nice and smooth
@saiiiiiii1
@saiiiiiii1 3 года назад
Did you overgrind on the backsharpening though? I feel like the edge is catching again in 2 spots.
@Cameron_OKG
@Cameron_OKG 4 года назад
Everything I have read says that you pull through the hardwood several times
@interestinggearaustralia4123
@interestinggearaustralia4123 7 лет назад
Thanks, it would be for light food prep. So if you have any comment on the wood handle in that setting please let me know if you have used it for that task in regards to ease of cleaning (water)?
@steeldrake838
@steeldrake838 7 лет назад
I haven't had an issue with the wood handles in food prep use.
@interestinggearaustralia4123
@interestinggearaustralia4123 7 лет назад
Thanks.
@interestinggearaustralia4123
@interestinggearaustralia4123 7 лет назад
Is that the micarta handle? i am caught between wood and micarta
@steeldrake838
@steeldrake838 7 лет назад
The one used in this video has a wood handle, but I also own a stainless version with a micarta handle. Having tried both, I like the wood handles better as they are lighter.
@monabo1
@monabo1 3 года назад
Great video brother
@Colombiano671
@Colombiano671 6 лет назад
Murray carters three finger test of edge sharpness? Will it bite in the finger print layer of skin
@steeldrake838
@steeldrake838 6 лет назад
Absolutely. Any apex that can push cut newsprint across the grain at 90 degrees and which isn't polished to the point of loosing all slicing aggression will pass the three finger test.
@michaelshults7675
@michaelshults7675 7 лет назад
Great info man!! I totally agree Ive tried pulling through wood, cork. Its works so so, but not great. Ive also tried stropping on bare canvas and leather strop, but the results are not great. Going at a higher angle to sheer the burr off is the way to go!
@volcanowb
@volcanowb 6 лет назад
Which USB microscope do you recommend?
@steeldrake838
@steeldrake838 6 лет назад
I would look for any 5 mega-pixel USB microscope advertised with up to 500x magnification.
@josephmarks758
@josephmarks758 8 лет назад
Sir, I have really enjoyed your sharpening videos. While I am a beginner, your technique has allowed me to crack a code that I was missing and I have now turned the corner onto the next phase of sharpening. I graduated a level since watching your videos. Thanks again.
@steeldrake838
@steeldrake838 8 лет назад
I'm happy I was able to help.
@JDStone20
@JDStone20 8 лет назад
Awesome! I have been wanting to see someone compare this.
@davogifman542
@davogifman542 6 лет назад
According to A.G. Russell; yes the owner of the knife company of the same name. He says to push your knife forward on the stone instead of pulling backwards That way you don't have to worry about a burr,and you still get your perfect apex. Yes it takes more practice to become skillful,but it's the more superior of the two methods,but more care is needed until mastering. If interested? Type his name,and removing burrs into RU-vid search to find him easily he has about 7 or 8 short videos on sharpening knives. In my opinion his knowledge shouldn't be overlooked,and that's for anyone beginners,or experts alike. Everyone have a good day,and keep it on the edge! :)
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