A Dangerous Opponent | F-16C Viper Vs F/A-18C Hornet Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you prefer more up close and personal dogfights consider the IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battle series and experience intense WWII aerial combat over famous battlefields such as Stalingrad, Moscow, Rhineland and Normandy. Fight in and against Russian, American, German, British warbirds such as the P-51 Mustang, P-47 Thunderbolt, Bf-109, FW-190, Spitfire, Hurricane and rugged IL-2 Sturmovik attack plane. You can also fly legendary SPADS, Fokkers and Camels in WWI dogfights over the trenches of WWI and discover your inner Red Baron! And all of this can be experienced in jaw dropping virtual reality!
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.

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@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

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@TheNamePi 2 года назад

i remember you did this once and you responded to someone with gotta stay aerodynamic

@FS2K4Pilot 2 года назад

Have you tried using differential engine thrust on the F-14 to augment its yaw and roll authority?

@happyhaunter_5546 2 года назад

"They are balanced in the sense that both can win if they fight their own fight" YES. More gamers should have this mindset...Maybe more people in general : )

@aviationrambler 2 года назад

Absolutely agree.

@extrabingo10 2 года назад

Especially in games like DCS and other simulators. They aren’t meant to be balanced, they’re made to be as realistic as possible

@TheKusa5 2 года назад

Unfortunately there's a ton of people who think like that, the pilot matters a helluva lot more than the plane.

@AbsoluteyAmerican 2 года назад

I agree, but again, it seems like his opponents don’t fight to the strengths of their plane. I often wonder if his opponents are above average fighters but don’t know the airplane they are in or they know the airplane but are average skill wise.

@mro9466 2 года назад

AK47 vs M4 in CS 1.6 True differences makes for a better challenge.

@i_kazik_i8835 2 года назад

10:28 See those wings benting?😍

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

wing flex is so beautiful.

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

I'm really enjoying the viper and the hornet, remember both are awesome BFM fighters as long as they stick to their own game plan. Thank you for watching and thank you sabre for helping with this video.

@debbiestimac5175 2 года назад

They were built for the same lightweight fighter competition for the USAF back in the day, YF-17 lost to the YF-16 and was later naval-ized into the Hornet. Imagine if the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels did an aerial combat competition instead of a flight demonstration, just once would be amazing! With Growling in a chase plane giving commentary. "The F-16 left his burner on in that dive, he's going to need to slow down to get back to corner speed! Yes, his airbrakes are out! He caught his mistake! But the Hornet seems to have had some sort of cobra button installed! Look at that nose authority!!!" 😁

@nickharvey7233 2 года назад

Always my two favourites - stemming from flying both on the Amiga game F/A-18 Interceptor back in 1990! Before your time, but if you want a giggle at how far flight sims have come since then, check out some footage on YT - revolutionary wireframe graphics for its day. Flying beneath the Golden Gate Bridge will always stay with me. Great vid, BTW. Cheers

@chrisflynn372 2 года назад

If the Hornet game plan is one-circle, what happens in a Fox-2 BFM fight between these two now?

@johnnyboythepilot4098 2 года назад

@@debbiestimac5175 That would actually be sick! Mock competition dogfighting with actual tactics and professional commentary on said tactics. Heck even with aerobatic prop planes that would be cool.

@hoilst 2 года назад

Re balance: "If you're in a fair fight, you didn't plan it properly..."

@glynns1 2 года назад

I love the fights but Fox-2’s would have made this a little more interesting. Hopefully in a future one we can see that with the improved performance.

@Maverick-mn3xv 2 года назад

Thanks for this video bro. I think the most amazing dogfights are between the F-16c, F-18c, F-14d, F-22a, JF-17, Mirage, Rafale, SU-30, SU-33 and SU-35. These fighters are the best in maneuver combat.

@Fatal_Inertia 2 года назад

Viper was a problem for the hornet before the update, now its just ez

@roijoi6963 2 года назад

Watched an AH-64 Apache video of yours the other day, and now this, and have to say, Apache is me before I have my first cup of coffee, and Viper after about my 6th cup of the morning. To each his own to be sure, but the difference in pace of operation is striking.

@roijoi6963 2 года назад

Viper's TRT = 26.6 at 16:00 with TAS of 222 is WOW impressive. Super fun to watch the Viper "doing work" these days.

@drakeblau6364 2 года назад

I never have any idea of what is going on or what you're saying in these videos but it's very entertaining

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

I think a lot of people on this channel started out like that, over time you will pick it up.

@probablyjay3449 2 года назад

Absolutely amazing! Both you, and the game.

@RaderizDorret 2 года назад

Makes sense that the Hornet would be an excellent dogfighter. Its ancestor is the YF-17 Cobra which in turn was derived from the F-5 family.

@Noisy_Cricket 2 года назад

Lol, I just got the joke with Manscaped's logo.

@ingoos 2 года назад

All that's needed now is the sim in a centrifuge.

@aek00001 2 года назад

And I can't even get behind a Mig19's tail with my F16

@KnightItshorts 2 года назад

Im thinking from going from the f 15 to the f 16 or f 18 to do long range encounters and im thinking of only getting one which one would you reccomend? Basically for spotting on radar easily and farther away

@wiliamcowger7938 2 года назад

It is pretty amazing to me that an aircraft conceived in the 1970's is still so dangerous

@Tbonyandsteak 2 года назад

a perfect design is timeless

@darren.s3404 2 года назад

It's time to pit the f16 against da Jeff my dud

@jikemenkins7098 2 года назад

Fuckin awesome vid GS! Viper is just so damn sexy. Thank you Sabre for coming out to fly for us!

@brandonmclaren1709 2 года назад

It’s not about the planes being ‘balanced’? It all comes down to who is actually flying the aircraft

@Anarchy_420 2 года назад

Wish it was the Super Hornet😅 Still very entertaining and cool fight/Vid!👍

@blakeerickson514 2 года назад

The Super Hornet's enhancements focus more on payload, range, and BVR over BFM. Pilots who have flown both say that the legacy Hornet is actually the nimbler of the two due to the smaller size and lighter weight, so I think you'd find it harder to beat a Viper in a knife fight. That being said, the Super Hornet's AN/APG-79 radar is a huge upgrade over the AN/APG-68 the DCS Viper is rocking, so I imagine it would be an absolute monster in BVR.

@TealJosh 2 года назад

Hek yeah. Been waiting for this one after the update

@GunniesLetsFlyVFR 2 года назад

Hey Growling, excellent as always! Everyone just seems to go vertical in the pvp. I don't seem to have a good answer for it. Fought a F16 in my Hornet did fine but he flew to slow. Met an F14 later kicked my butt. Climbed and decended back behind me again. Any help or video to watch appreciated man. :)

@okuu_utsuho 2 года назад

Now I want to get DCS because of you.

@holdmybeast6559 2 года назад

I wonder how it now compares to the f22

@AbyNeon 2 года назад

Time for F16 Vs F22

@brockoala2994 Год назад

Dude are you AvengerOne in Star Citizen? Your voice and the way you talk sound soooo much like him! Or he sounds like you.

@GrowlingSidewinder Год назад

Negative man, although I do dabble in star citizen from time to time.

@bobbythomas6520 2 года назад

Bro you haven’t done an F18 vs F22 in awhile I’d like to see if the F18 could get a nose on in the one circle on the first turn before the F22 destroys it

@onderwerper 2 года назад

hi g.s i like your videos, i was watching your video and was wondering if there is a dog fighting protocol over a city ?

@WolfHowl71 2 года назад

Still think you should do 2v2 fights. That would be spicy!

@michaelpietras7374 2 года назад

So what is the Viper's new optimum cornering speed since the update to the flight model?

@DynoosHD 2 года назад

F16 against JF17?

@Golgi-Gyges 2 года назад

Still a Fighting Falcon to me, the Viper was a nickname

@briankirkwood519 2 года назад

How about fighting the f-111 against.....something.

@kenhelmers2603 2 года назад

I'm curious if the F-16's turn-rate speed has changed? BTW - Thanks!

@wurfyy 2 года назад

Sustained probably hasn't, ED stated they were happy with the Viper's STR a few updates ago. It was mainly ITR that changed.

@evangalinsky2499 2 года назад

@@wurfyy GS already did a vid on this, the STR is improved by a couple degrees iirc.

@jonnyj. 2 года назад

@@evangalinsky2499 No, it hasnt changed. They specifically said they were happy with it a while ago. Only ITR was changed, which is what GS's video was about

@thatguy4789 2 года назад

Gun cam song?

@loz7122 2 года назад

i want to see EF2000 vs f16 my too fav jets great video as always

@MattH-wg7ou 2 года назад

Two outstanding rate fighters! That would be good.

@richardpoynton4026 2 года назад

Just curious - does the Hornet have a commonly used nickname? EG. The Falcon is called the Viper, so the Hornet is called….?

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

Not as far as I know the name Hornet was very fitting for it so I don’t think anyone felt the need the give it another one

@anthonyphillips6279 Год назад

It seems to me, excluding the 22, and 57, properly driven, the viper is superior to most anything. Is there any jet, that can out-rate it in the 2 circle?

@sasquatchycowboy5585 2 года назад

"New information became available". Yeah like having a real Viper piolet absolutely savage the FM and back it up in Tackview. But it doesn't matter. What matters is they are getting the Viper right now. Hopefully this year they can get both 4th gens out of early access. The Hind and Apache seem to be much better releases.

@rrvillanueva7265 2 года назад

Hello Mr sidewinder can you do kai fa 50 vs f16

@Mike_Romeo 2 года назад

No he cant. There is no kai fa 50 for this sim

@kelvinkudirical1438 2 года назад

Use mig 21 vs f 5 in bvr

@Mike_Romeo 2 года назад

They dont have Beyond visual range weapons. At least not the ones we have in DCS

@lukesturch5076 2 года назад

quick question and sorry if i am being abit ignorant but why is sabre taking the hornet 2 circle at the merge i thought the hornet was good at the 1 circle why wouldn't he try and go 1 circle

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

I forced it by turning across his tail he accepted it and tried to make 1 circle after the first merge. Not ideal but it works.

@Marcin79W 2 года назад

It doesn't feel like Viper is an unbeatable monster after new changes, it's just not that vulnerable as it was in BFM.

@Axxetto 2 года назад

At the end of the day it's the pilot that matters.

@briandp0560 2 года назад

Awesome fight.

@thefutrut7271 2 года назад

If I want to get to dcs do I need joystick and all that ?

@Mike_Romeo 2 года назад

You can play with keyboard and mouse only but its not fun. Its higly recommended to get at least a simple 20$ joystick or even a xbox controller

@thefutrut7271 2 года назад

@@Mike_Romeo ok so at least controller

@foleyjack 2 года назад

I don't know if it's just me, but when I am in an F-16 I can never, ever win against an F-18

@VanillaTap 2 года назад

ok so allow 32 slots of the f16 on both blue/red sides.

@shark4465 2 года назад

f16 vs su 57?

@warrenpeze8987 2 года назад

fly the rafale ! please !

@gkourv 2 года назад

have you disabled the pilot black out effect? It seems that your pilot even when pulling 9+ G doesn't have this effect. Also, what video resolution are you running at ? thanks.

@Mike_Romeo 2 года назад

Yes he did and he records at 4k

@gkourv 2 года назад

@@Mike_Romeo aha, because it is a game changer when you don't have to worry about the black out and I was wandering if there's a technique on this which I didn't know

@s0rka23 2 года назад

omg that reklam

@Ian-no4mf Год назад

Im mr.Nelson you can not be cussing are you will get 1hour detention.

@jackson4736 2 года назад

Whats the difference between a 2 circle and a rate fight?

@PakinPhuratenon-p9b 2 года назад

Pretty much the same thing as far as I know.

@Mike_Romeo 2 года назад

Its the same

@TheRealTopSecret 2 года назад

Hey man, can you redo the f16 vs su57?

@maliburallye350 2 года назад

Muy buen video 👌🏻😃

@user-wg7nw3mh2e 2 года назад

if the f16 is so much better than all the other fighters....and so much cheaper....then why...

@malteser9675 2 года назад

10 likes 2 views

@levidotson6610 2 года назад

I’d really like to see how the viper does in a fox 2 fight against something like a flanker or maybe even a mirage

@jikemenkins7098 2 года назад

Yes please!

@JETZcorp 2 года назад

Historically I would have given the other 2 the advantage due to the crazy pitch rate advantage. Now that the Viper has a Hail Mary pull option to compliment the 9X, I think it becomes a serious problem in the first turn.

@flightsimstuff5417 2 года назад

"Balance is not what you want in a simulator" - thank you for that! Some don't get that. And they [the platforms] don't have to be 100% perfect replications of X - the performance should however be representative, as much as possible, and relative [to each other].

@deadshot4245 2 года назад

thank you Growling for doing all the work in showcasing the greatness of DCS World. Look forward to more and more.

@AMG-316 2 года назад

Me too!

@davegrenier1160 2 года назад

I've watched you fly the Viper in the past and thought "The F-16 should be quicker and more agile than that." I recall that the aircraft was designed to be unstable (the computer keeps the nose facing forward) to facilitate maneuverability, and that its light weight was supposed to make it quick. My impression of the new mod - It's what I would expect based on the design philosophy of the aircraft.

@ZigzagEnd 2 года назад

yeah modern jets have flybywire systems that interpret the pilot's inputs, the rudder for instance makes the aircraft roll a bit, the flybywire prevents that by adjusting its roll to 0 if its not an input of the pilot

@knightzing 2 года назад

All fighter jets are designed tp be unstable and require some sort of fly-by-wire system to make use out of their instability. Instability allows for maneuverability, but requires computer assistance and could result in the aircraft altering other aerodynamic features, such as lift and drag.

@DeeSnow97 2 года назад

"a lot of people think the hornet might be a bit of a pushover when it comes to the viper, you just take it two-circle, etc, etc, it's not gonna be like that, the hornet is a formidable opponent" narrator: it was, in fact, like that

@montrose699 2 года назад

thank you for the balance comment - many of us would leave DCS if it became more about balance and game like. Its a simulator and we want as close to the actual flight model etc as we can get. Every airframe has advantages and disadvantages - know your airframe and know your enemy :) . the word balance in relation to DCS scares me as well

@AMG-316 2 года назад

Actual flight characteristics and actual fox's that each platform use per country represented is what makes DCS the best. Pure reality for fighter nerds! 🤓 👍

@s.anthonyulibarri2488 2 года назад

Thank you GS for the videos you share. In a past video or two, I believe you alternate aircraft between matches. I truly enjoy those types to get a sense of how you adjust to the aircraft you had just flown. It would have been interesting to see you pilot the Hornet in the second match after your victory in the Viper in the first. You did say, "that these aircraft are balanced in that they can win if they fight their own fight." If anyone can pilot an aircraft in validation of this, it is you. Well, until you think everything is okay right before a missile strikes you in true GS fashion. Thank you again!

@avramnovorra 2 года назад

i saw someone else already say this but i would love to see how you'd take say the F-14 and show us how to defend against the improved Viper, or any similar underdog aircraft.. i feel that would be tremendously helpful ;)

@OTOss8 2 года назад

This is cool. I'd have liked to have seen you two switch planes for two more encounters.

@techsing3037 2 года назад

Since I can remember I have been a huge fan of fighter aircraft and have been enjoying DCS for several years. The insight and attention to detail you provide in your videos is greatly appreciated. I own several DCS modules including the F14 since its release and have been thinking about purchasing the F-16 for several months. I think your most recent line of videos focusing on the Viper’s updated flight model has provided the straw…. Thank You! On a side note, as I’m sure you and most of this channel’s fans know, the USAF Thunderbirds tour has recently kicked off. (Tour schedule is available online) I hit their show last year and their redesigned routine is POWERFUL and awe-inspiring. This year I’m once again praying for good weather for either their New Windsor NY or Avoca PA shows. Stay safe….

@siliconavatar8218 2 года назад

I saw them in my home town! It was awesome, and very loud.

@yaseen157 2 года назад

I'd be really curious to see a fight like this or the last one, but with you in the seat of the non F-16, so we can get to see how one might defend against a viper

@P90F55 2 года назад

Games have "balance" simulators don't. Life isn't balanced.

@kyleshape8645 2 года назад

I've heard Falcon vs Hornet fights described as a "knife fight in a phone booth". It's about who gets stabbed first.

@GrumpyNCO 2 года назад

You got sponsored by manscaped. You made it. Congratulations.

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

thanks man, feeling blessed for sure.

@CakePrincessCelestia 2 года назад

Not the first time :)

@clementgramail9455 2 года назад

I'd like to see the F16 against the mirage now !

@loganh0463 2 года назад

fight the Eurofighter with the f16 i think it would be an interesting fight

@chefboyarb 2 года назад

Bought the f16 this morning and used your discount ! Not sure if that helps you but it helped me haha. Good vids

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

It certainly does help me thank you for your support. Hope you enjoy the f16 she’s a beaut.

@navyrayne 2 года назад

I mean, you say the hornet can kill the viper... and yet it didn't lol

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

hornet can kill viper if you fight its fight, which I did not.

@navyrayne 2 года назад

@@GrowlingSidewinder Well, it's the only modern jet module I have for DCS so some times I worry that I wont ever get good enough with it. Good vid tho GS.

@pwprout 2 года назад

Yeah for the love of god please done try to "Balance" things just to balance them. The real world doesnt work like that.

@brendan-tn6pd 11 месяцев назад

Everything is realistic but the thrust to weight ratio

@FD1CE 2 года назад

Of course people here want to see you fight against a Viper in the Hornet. So there is the next video!

@Mobius118 2 года назад

The one thing I have to say to people who want balance in DCS: *Go play War Thunder* It's set up so its SUPPOSEDLY balanced while letting the players THINK it's a simulator. It's a fun game, so I definitely wouldn't suggest staying here if you want "balance" in DCS

@oddy1637 2 года назад

How does a Hornet eat a Viper alive??.... oh Wait.

@rabbahhagri1493 2 года назад

I’d like to see you in the Hornet vs the fixed Viper

@thodorisvlastos6304 2 года назад

Great video as always . Now that the viper is updated I think we need to see an f-15 vs viper ... maybe fly both and see how they perform against eachother

@iceyibis4876 2 года назад

Ok so I know it’s a game but it’s also a simulator, so I don’t really think it matters if the game is balanced as it’s meant to be realistic and in real situations like we see in the game battles aren’t balanced.

@BackerCZ 2 года назад

You told to us the Hornet is really good and if you know what to do you he will eat the F16. But you allways fly like nobody cant beat you. So pls go in F18 and show to us how you will eat the F16.

@aramos3639 2 года назад

One circle

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

Well he actually almost had me in the 1st fight when he reversed the turn, also discussed in tacview.

@BackerCZ 2 года назад

@@GrowlingSidewinder yea i know but it was almost so he did not and you win. I am just curious if you will be in F18 if you will win all the rounds 😉

@jameskester7745 2 года назад

@@BackerCZ if the other pilot was adequate in the F16, I think even GS would have a hard time of it, unless the other pilot wasn't that sharp, and got suckered into a one circle, besides there are too many other aircraft people want to see agaist the new 16, like a Mirage, or Flanker. I'm interested to see if a Mirage could sit inside of a 16 two circle, The F18 is good in a one circle ,but the Mirage is another level. Would be a very interesting battle, tactics might have to change as it went on

@caiuspostumiusturrinus1024 2 года назад

How come nobody does operations at night?

@Marcin79W 2 года назад

Maybe F16 vs Mirage at some point? Guns only, please.

@YuFow 2 года назад

Would love to see some VR dogfights! Awesome video as always btw

@jeremycaufield8605 2 года назад

If the Raptors true capabilities were represented in game the only one having fun would be the Raptor pilot.

@ka199702 2 года назад

Would like to see a Viper vs Super Hornet match up

@TheCrnic 2 года назад

We are not going to get that F-4 vs A-4 dogfight anytime soon :)

@Mike_Romeo 2 года назад

Correct because we dont have a F-4 for this sim yet

@gabrielchad447 2 года назад

Viper vs Mirage?

@Curlycopper 2 года назад

I have been loving the improvements they made on the viper flight model

@kuzo_ily6447 2 года назад

Nice

@ericm0612 2 года назад

Your music gives a lot of respect to what's happening here and what it means.

@EGLately 2 года назад

I love the sad music when he kills another plane. In Remembrance of the hornet.

@JeremyMcMillan 2 года назад

6:28 NICE DEAD-STICK DEFLECTION SHOT! High-aspect, but nice concentration of firepower from a low-G guns solution.

@001barca 2 года назад

I think the difference is also made by growling sidewinder being so good at this game. At slower speed maneuverability, hornet would always win, at high speeds, the F-16 has the advantage