A day in the life of an ancient Athenian - Robert Garland

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It’s 427 BCE, and the worst internal conflict ever to occur in the ancient Greek world is in its fourth year. Athens is facing a big decision: what to do with the people of Mytilene, a city on the island of Lesbos where a revolt against Athenian rule has just been put down. How did these kinds of decisions get made? Robert Garland outlines a day in the life of Athenian democracy.
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@TEDEd 6 лет назад

If you enjoyed this glimpse at daily life in an ancient civilization, check out our "Day in the life..." playlist: bit.ly/2Ipapkl

@goonerOZZ 6 лет назад

TED-Ed so did the 2nd ship made it in time? Please I must know!

@tfd7915 6 лет назад

So I liked the video. The only flaw as Ozz Lee noted was that you didn't finish it. Now I have to go and look up if the second ship ever caught the first one. Otherwise my head will hurt for the rest of the night.

@BossHossGuitars 6 лет назад

TED-Ed and?!?! What happened

@rainman4835 6 лет назад

need more!

@epixdevo3180 5 лет назад

Day in the life of a eygptian or malian

@JoKeR1997fly 6 лет назад

"A ship was immediately dispatched to Mytilene to countermand the execution order sent out the previous day. The Mytilenean representatives in Athens offered a sizable reward to the crew if the ship arrived in time to prevent the executions. Rowing day and night, sleeping in shifts, and eating at their oars, the rowers of the second trireme managed to make up the first ship's one day lead and arrive at Mytilene just as Paches was reading the original order, in time to prevent its execution." - Wikipedia page on Mytilenean revolt, Thucidides account

@seferino 5 лет назад

Wow. That's a relief man

@estieramie 5 лет назад

You da real MVP. Let's upvote this for others to see!

@hellothere9407 5 лет назад

I don't think I ever thought I'd feel relief about something that happened More than 2 millenia ago

@stevengreen9536 5 лет назад

Glad they made it.

@jw6588 5 лет назад

Thanks for the update!

@MrDunkleostus 6 лет назад

In case anyone was wondering, the second ship rowed much faster than the first ship whose crew was in no rush to carry out their gruesome task. The second ship managed to catch up with the first ship on the shore of Mytilene, narrowly stopping the massacre with mere minutes to spare.

@MasterJ58 4 года назад

@Natalia Wojtczak Same. It was really close

@kr_international_8608 4 года назад

The first ship was not being rowed fast because the people on board needed their strength for a massacre. On the other hand, the second ship was rowed as fast as possible as they needed to stop a massacre.

@EswarValluri Год назад

thank you :)

@t2av159 Год назад

never happaned luke

@anlocha8330 10 месяцев назад

thanks for your comment. I would be in insomnia if it hadnt been for ya

@starcherry6814 6 лет назад

They’re quite a calm family despite being in the middle of a war

@jamestown8398 6 лет назад

Life must go on.

@errornull390 6 лет назад

Star Cherry said every American

@peroz1000 6 лет назад

Star Cherry The war hadn’t fully caught up with them.Yet.

@RenaHigu2006 4 года назад

Nice

@jesseward568 3 года назад

Stoucism

@SciencewithKatie 6 лет назад

I love this narrator, his voice is so calming. If he doesn't already do audiobooks he should! 💛

@shaozhe98 6 лет назад

Science with Katie ted-ed should hire Morgan Freeman

@colgateuniversity 6 лет назад

He's a professor at Colgate.

@ema1489 6 лет назад

Colgate University Do u know his Facebook account or his name?!

@shamoonsaqib 6 лет назад

Ema 148 His name is Addison Anderson

@teacoffee7809 6 лет назад

I KNOW YOUR SOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT

@amcghie7 5 лет назад

I'd love the Ted-Ed videos 2,000 years from now, talking about a day in the life of someone today.... "Andy, a student, drank too much the night before, so he slept in today. Although he was meant to be working on his dissertation, he sat and watched videos about people in Ancient Athens. " That's literally it.

@claudiab4014 4 года назад

Well now 2000 years from now Karen was getting ready to go to the store she had to get there early before all the toilet paper ran out

@rouckinghans4653 3 года назад

angelica schuyler she also had to get there before the cashier left so she can scream at the cashier for small problems and get the cashier fired

@ioftenarguewithidiots.3811 3 года назад

2000 years from now? Don't think we will last even a 200 years from today with this rate of global warming and pollution.

@armyyyyyyyyyyyy 3 года назад

My favourite comment😍

@aditisk99 3 года назад

A day in the life of a typical millenial

@georgekokkos5347 6 лет назад

Alternative title: ‘A day in the life of an Athenian, during one of Athens’ most infamous and controversial parliamentary votings of the ancient times.’ Amazing video! Well done!

@saadawan5502 6 лет назад

George Kokkos that is too long for a video title

@georgekokkos5347 6 лет назад

Saad Awan I know 😆 It was a joke. But I mean it (not as a title of course)

@owenwilliams9919 6 лет назад

What happened in the end George?

@pedroluizb 6 лет назад

plis tell us more about it George!!! Were there any well known philosophers or historians involved that you know of?

@ComradeHellas 6 лет назад

Razing a city to the ground and enslaving its inhabitants was pretty common back then. Heck in fact the great conquerors of the Republic Gaius Julius Caesar, Gnaeus Pompeus Magnus and Marcus Licinus Crasus comited literal genocides of the natives in the areas they conquered.

@fadhillahsidik 6 лет назад

Could you do A Day in the Life of A Venetian in the Renaissance?

@faizalf119 6 лет назад

MLG Elf "Late paying my debt, lose an arm. At least I don't have debt now"

@fadhillahsidik 6 лет назад

I also would like to know whether or not the hermetic society had a profound influence on their society. Considering how astrology seems to improve your skills quite significantly.

@agrajyadav2951 3 года назад

It's like paying a lot of money to your friend and ending up signing a bond with an overly ambitious greedy moneylender and almost getting killed before your friend and his girlfriend save you. Nothing special.

@rynieryarom4277 6 лет назад

What about a life a day of ancient China

@ProfessorPolitics 6 лет назад

That'd be really fascinating! I imagine it'd vary a lot depending on what dynasty you chose.

@cyzhouhk 6 лет назад

It’ll also depend on your social standing, and ethnicity. There are many Chinese ethnic groups, although most are of Han ethnicity.

@abdullhuq4926 6 лет назад

Professor Politics ম

@nemoys_ 6 лет назад

That would be awesome! I always loved seeing the history of China! They should do more videos about countries Like India, China, Korea, Pakistan And also Srilanka and Japan and many more countries in Asia. African Countries included. IT WOULD JUST BE SO AWESOME TO LEARN ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENT CULTURES!

@BlueEyes-WhiteDrag0n 6 лет назад

+Natasel Not True! They could show about their Heirlooms Kingdoms Wars Myths Discoveries Religious Myths Infamous Scientists Dark Pasts etc etc..

@Elizabeth-pb1rx 6 лет назад

As a Greek student who has been taught about the Peloponnesian war at school an awful amount of times, I find this way of learning about it much more interesting than just reading straight from a book. You focus on the main events of the war and also get to see what everyday life was like back then. I wish classes were more like that, students would be way more interested in the subject Great video though ~

@VALDIGNE 6 лет назад

I hate the Peloponnesian wars. I hate Greeks fighting eachothers.

@riccardocuciniello2044 5 лет назад

And you didn't notice the error at 3:17?

@Mickey203 4 года назад

@@VALDIGNE then Greece wasn't a only one country, we united many years later ( I don't know so good English🙁 ( you release it))

@NoName-xc6cg 2 года назад

Μόνο στην Α' Λυκείου μας κάνανε εμάς Πελοποννησιακό πόλεμο, τα προηγούμενα χρόνια απλώς μαθαίναμε πόσα χρόνια ήταν και την κατάληξη, πρακτικά τίποτα

@user-Prometheus 2 года назад

Δεν νομίζω ότι αυτό είναι σωστό το βίντεο. Μας κανουν να φαινόμαστε σαν βάρβαροι.

@jungkooksbeautifulvoice7326 6 лет назад

It's so fascinating watching these videos because I am Greek(I don't live in Athens though). I feel proud that my country has such a long history, even if nowadays things are not going well for us financially...

@orppranator5230 6 лет назад

Baekhyun & Seulgi stan just don’t vote for left leaning policies and you all will be fine.

@ViciousViscount 6 лет назад

I'm Polish and I love Greece. You can be truly proud of your history.

@nitishsaxena1372 6 лет назад

Baekhyun & Seulgi stan lol you're mixed with the Turks.

@WERTYUIO821 6 лет назад

Nitish Saxena Actually Greeks were keep their blood "pure" like every single nationality that was under foreign control. Ottoman were the one that stole Greek childrens(and different nationalitist) and raise them as they were their childrens. Also a great deal of Greek ware leaving as Turk because of their religion(and economical interest as well)

@gingin3919 6 лет назад

Nitish Saxena lol we are not! Due to our different religions there weren't any marriages between Greeks and Turks. Maybe turks are mixed with us because turks used to steal little greek children (usually boys), raised them, making them to believe they were Turkish.

@despoinaldr9220 5 лет назад

I'm greek,and i absolutely love this work. I'm so relieved to know ppl with care for history and information take time to study them properly and unbiased. Everything in this video is true btw❤🇬🇷👏

@TheArmchairHistorian 6 лет назад

Awesome video! It'd be really interesting to make this a series, "A day in the life of a ____" and cover all different time periods and cultures. Griff

@stamatiamichelaki5008 4 года назад

Hello

@laibahameed689 3 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RQMgLxVxsrw.html here's the playlist

@sinctova 3 года назад

@Laquelectro dunno

@admiralackbar3615 3 года назад

Yes agreed, I love this series. Also loved your new video.

@countvladislausdragulia7414 3 года назад

Is that sarcasm or was this vid the first ‘day in the life of’ vid and this comment was just incredibly prescient?

@steliostoulis1875 6 лет назад

As a Greek, I've waited a long time about this.

@duhaNomad 6 лет назад

Stelios Toulis my wish to visit and live in greek ❤

@taramas5582 6 лет назад

Ήξερα ότι κάποιος θα το έλεγε αυτό!

@professorphoenixia1245 6 лет назад

Stelios Toulis Χαίρετε!

@steliostoulis1875 6 лет назад

Professor Phoenixia Χαίρε Καίσερα, σε χαιρετούν οι μελοθάνατοι.

@alexanderkazantzis8019 6 лет назад

Ditto

@AGENT47ist 4 года назад

As a Greek, I am fascinated by our history, yet I can't help but think what would our ancestors think of us if they ever saw us what have we become today? A mere shadow of the country that existed before everything, and gave birth to civilizations on the planet. I am proud and ashamed at the same time....

@abdullahmohammad6803 6 лет назад

Im in Hong Kong learning about ancient Greece!and on monday its our test

@cyzhouhk 6 лет назад

Make KSI fight ADAM SALEH !!! Are you a secondary school student in S1? I remember learning about that too, a few years ago.

@gerryj313 6 лет назад

"A race of democracy against time" gave me shiver

@justinrill2483 2 года назад

yea that was a good line

@mareksagrak9527 2 года назад

Ha ha, that's rather sad that inhabitants of ancient Melos during Peloponesian war hadn't experienced such a 'mercy' from 'Democratic' Athenians, who slaughtered all the island and enslaved the rest even though the Greeks of Melos was pleading for peace and hadn't even revolt against Athens, the 'city-tyrannos' :D

@1218Draco 4 года назад

For more info, play Assassin’s Creed Odyssey

@lesbolilo08 6 лет назад

I need more day in the life videos! I’m obsessed! I love seeing what a day for an average person on this earth might have been like 1000’s of years ago!

@rustyshackleford4076 6 лет назад

I love Ted-Ed’s content on Roman and Greek histories, classics, and myths. The animation and clear narration makes these types of stories accessible to people who would otherwise consider it dry content

@D.M.S. 6 лет назад

Please more stories from ancient Greece!

@OTlesuh 6 лет назад

Love this "A day in the life of" series, it's extremely interesting and awesome.

@driven_films 6 лет назад

Just stumbled across this playlist today. My god I want more of these!

@danielshifron5672 6 лет назад

Daily life in Sparta, or Thebes.

@athytrbl3725 5 лет назад

Giorgos Vasileiou sparta is badass because of it was the birthplace of the ghost of sparta

@FirstNameLastName-oz5ij 3 года назад

@@athytrbl3725 “THIS IS SPARTAAA!”

@jezanne 4 года назад

I just came back from vacation in Athens and everything is so vivid in my mind, the Agora, the Acropolis, the heat at midday.

@Literally_1984_owl 6 лет назад

WE NEED MORE OF THESE "DAY IN THE LIFE OF ...", THESE ARE SO INTERESTING AND EDUCATING! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THIS WITH US TED-ED!!!

@diyardhassan970 6 лет назад

we need more videos like this and in depth if possible , i can watch this all day literally

@isabellabarone8329 6 лет назад

Please make more day in the life videos! I loved these!

@gigglysamentz2021 6 лет назад

That was absolutely amazing ! And oh the tension at the end :'D

@damaryssalladay-perez6184 6 лет назад

I love these "A day in the life" videos they're my favorite.!!

@blank1507 5 лет назад

These are my favorite videos. I also find the opening music very warm and relaxing.

@evaperez5625 5 лет назад

These videos are always so interesting! Keep producing!

@marvelfangirl3328 5 лет назад

*"A multitude is a better judge of many things than any individual."* -Aristotle, _Politics_

@samrevlej9331 4 года назад

Bravo for copy-pasting the quote that was displayed at the beginning of the video. I'm sure we'll all be awed by your general knowledge.

@chromefox8347 6 лет назад

Thank you for this informing and well both narrated and designed video! Much love from Athens! Σας ευχαριστώ πολύ!

@Danielfaust0 6 лет назад

Amazing at every level. Great work TED Ed guys

@jerrywhite7328 5 лет назад

LOVE this guys voice. Also did my favorite Ted-Ed video on Stoicism, talking about Zeno.

@dr.apollo4226 4 года назад

Please make more videos about the ancient civilizations, especially Greece and Egypt.

@malcomburt3025 4 года назад

Thanks for this,TED-Ed,I'm 10 and used the video for a project on the ancient Greeks!😃 I find it fascinating how they lived!

@thewholeeventhorizon 4 года назад

This is the kind of daily life info I been looking for. I want more of this type of thing.

@jeffonmars 3 года назад

I love these videos; thank you for all the amazing and free education you guys are putting out!

@kingjeffry6125 6 лет назад

I love these historical cartoon commentaries, they’re why I subbed to Ted-Ed.

@haileyxin 6 лет назад

This is so beautiful. This makes me appreciate the freedom that most of us are tasting now with the emergence of social media. Communication is easier but responsibility is greater and should be. I hope we all practice such responsibility well. ☺

@rendopatto2751 5 лет назад

I need so much more of this!!!

@john_k1388 6 лет назад

I really liked this video. Here in Greece we're taught similar things to that and that means you do a great job with your research. Keep up the great work

@lukaurbankitek6019 4 года назад

THIS IS AMAZING! Thank you so much.

@VardhanShrivastava 6 лет назад

loved this glimpse!

@spring6066 6 лет назад

Please continue this series of ancient day🙏

@an0nsaiko890 6 лет назад

I live in Mytilene and its nice to see that you mentioned us. But there is something wrong here: Mytilenians did not betray their alliance with Athenians. Athenians instead controlled the alliance in a harsh way towards its members, forcing them to pay annually either by giving money or ships. Mytilene and other cities protested trying to leave the alliance but Athenians didnt let them, and ended up violently stopping them as it was mentioned in the video.

@grece5660 6 лет назад

Also as someone from Mytilene I agree with you, δεν ηξερα οτι απο το νησι μας υπαρχουν ατομα που βλεπουν τεδ εδ

@Waybackwhennn 6 лет назад

An0N SaiKo so what happened in the end ? Did the second ship make it to stop the first ?

@dtcanxz 6 лет назад

If a vassal stops paying tribute it is usually considered a revolt or rebellion. I do understand their alliance was an unfair one, but this type of alliance is fairly common throughout history.

@spartanprometheus8309 6 лет назад

laxman khatri unfortunatelly,no.the first ship arrive and gave the order to butcher all the island.Athenians themselves after the massacre didnt even want to mention it.I am greek,I live in athens and according to many historians this was one of the most terrible things in ancient greek history!

@MiauFrito 6 лет назад

It almost as if.. there's two sides to every story

@NameNikole 6 лет назад

Ε, τίς αγορεύειν βούλεται ρε παιδια;

@sofia-lh6cq 4 года назад

Ατσα η καθαρεύουσα😊

@emilrostobagia 3 года назад

@@Makaneek5060 3:03

@frankcovington6591 6 лет назад

This was a great video, as always. I eould like to see more "History vs." series also.

@zainahmed8018 6 лет назад

This guy's voice is so soothing, it's the best voice on this channel

@pehlavoon 6 лет назад

Like the Greeks, my ancestors in Iran were also organized. They innovated and had great culture. Not so sure about now though. Let's not even start with how they are now. Our Greek brothers and sisters are in the same boat with corruption and sell out officials. Here's to a better Greece and Iran. We will all rise again.

@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt 6 лет назад

Let's hope we will and then we can have a second ''Thermopylea battle'' round.(All my love to Persians)

@pehlavoon 6 лет назад

Maybe just a simple wrestling match will do :)

@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt 6 лет назад

Yes and a battle rap afterwards !

@tomxiao1 5 лет назад

Alexander the best Emperor?

@marloyorkrodriguez9975 5 лет назад

Spartans let's dance!

@Elizabeth-pb1rx 6 лет назад

It would be great if you guys made a video about a day in the life on an ancient spartan

@AesopsTeachings 7 месяцев назад

We just love the TED-Ed animations and storytelling 🌟🌟🌟

@submityourmovietrailer 4 года назад

More of these day in the life please!

@Constellation-fg5tb 2 года назад

There is an over emphasis on democracy in Athens, while not much is mentioned about the temples and religion of common people. How come parliament was not set on the Acropolis of Athens then? We all know about the Parthenon.

@w0ry035 6 лет назад

Thanks for the Spanish translations!! I really appreciate it

@renzocheesman862 6 лет назад

Amazing! ive been stuck to these videos, please make one about the inka empire!

@colgateuniversity 6 лет назад

Thank you for featuring the work of professor Robert Garland.

@jjoewriter 6 лет назад

Gosh, the way the narrator pronounces greek words is adorable and weird at the same time... I am greek and I can tell his efforts are great!!

@zeuskf62 6 лет назад

This is a great video with alot of reasearch and hard work done. The only small thingy that is wrong is the translation from ancient Greek to English. "Τοίς αγορεύσει βούλετε;" means "Who wants to talk?" not "Who wants to address the assembly?". But other than that very small mistake everything other is perfect.

@trunc8 6 лет назад

Amazing animation! Keep up the good work

@TheLYagAmi 5 лет назад

It still amazes me how much information we have about such an ancient civilisation. Thanks god for historians and all who kept track.

@makeitbetter7436 6 лет назад

Отличное видео, как всегда вдохновляете на создание контента) Спасибо.

@SongOfTheSwan 4 года назад

Do a day in ancient Indonesia please! That would be interesting!

@jupitired777 4 года назад

Love these day in the life videos omg im obsessed

@imarandalvani9848 3 года назад

I love the intro music it's so soothing ❤️

@veltacassidy1851 4 года назад

Who else is in quarantine and having to do work at home

@interstellar5316 4 года назад

🖐😔

@mediterraneanclassic 2 года назад

Women in Ancient Athens: Ok so you must learn how to cook, bear the children, run the household.... Women in Ancient Sparta: TAKE THIS SPEAR AND GO TO WARRRR

@peroz1000 6 лет назад

Please continue with this “a day in a life of “ series! It’s my favorite.

@LittleA 6 лет назад

We need more!

@debbienandalall6400 5 лет назад

0:18 that looks just like the map in assassin's creed odyssey

@joeljacob4546 3 года назад

lol

@stealthboy5767 2 года назад

Athens is my favorite Classical civilization. However during war, The wise individual is quicker to act than the masses.

@galleryg998 5 лет назад

Have been loving these!!

@strange_and_magnificent 3 года назад

It’s good you put a cliffhanger on this one!

@keithfrendo6567 6 лет назад

Pls do greek mythology

@Ceyda-nm7ty 6 лет назад

2:09 is that “I wont say Im in love” from disneys hercules?

@ultimatebishoujo29 3 года назад

Hmmm

@mustaqimmarsidi6546 6 лет назад

More of this please!

@luisab7901 6 лет назад

i love this kind of videos!! please do more

@moritzschroder 6 лет назад

it gives me a weird satisfaction to see these high-quality, educational videos get on trending! i thought informational videos are just not "trending material". this means there is hope for channels like mine as well! 😁

@faidonmagalios9639 6 лет назад

See, these are the things that make me proud of being Greek. Not our current doo Dab leaders.

@riyazuo 6 лет назад

You could start a revolution! and assign philosophers to be your leaders or smth

@errornull390 6 лет назад

Faidon M. Lol you guys went down super hard today though isn’t Greek worth like -3.50$

@ebonymaw8457 6 лет назад

I'm Stuck that's a terrible idea

@riyazuo 6 лет назад

Ebony Maw why?

@WERTYUIO821 6 лет назад

I'm Stuck The last philosopher has died more than 2 thousend years ago...

@psypsynos 6 лет назад

Thank you for work friend. You are amazing. Εὐχαριστῶ !

@Andre-ql2ei 3 года назад

“It’s a warm summer evening in Ancient Greece...”

@anzchar2366 3 года назад

A G O R A

@leviackerman8617 6 лет назад

I expected a video on Sir Hawkings

@froptime 5 лет назад

I learned a lot from this video! What about a day in the life of ancient Egypt? Thanks!

@TheEnabledDisabled 6 лет назад

VEry educational it really shows how life was like during those times. do more of these!

@mikeoxmaul577 6 лет назад

Ok I completed my time machine, this will be the first stop. Who’s coming with?

@mrnegativity8730 6 лет назад

I’ve got my go bag ready.

@mikeoxmaul577 6 лет назад

Mr Negativity My nemesis, I didn’t expect to find you here

@HattieMcDanielonaMoon 6 лет назад

Bones Senpai Me!

@bobrossestitaniumwhitepaint 6 лет назад

Bones Senpai I’m in! I wanna meet a few peeps and learn bout there life. Lemme just pack my bags. ;)

@allysonwonderland8923 6 лет назад

🙋‍♀️

@aayushhegde6738 6 лет назад

Animation is the lifeblood of Ted Ed

@emily-pc5dn 5 лет назад

Can you do the history of Commodus? I absolutely love your videos! (Preferably greek mythology ones)

@amelialondon 6 лет назад

Loved this video! Well done :)

@danielandres1579 5 лет назад

I was in Athens this summer ❤️

@bluekeybo 6 лет назад

They could've just tweeted at the other ship to tell them to come back.

@jeffryjossy3579 6 лет назад

Very nice... Would love more!!

@hannahbusillo958 3 года назад

Thanks!! I love videos like this

@flippaskipskipparooni4150 5 лет назад

I'd like to see one on ancient Babylon or Persia!

@ultimatebishoujo29 3 года назад

That might be interesting

@aurazero0 2 года назад

I'm Greek and didn't know the execution story! Apparently the basic events are true, although the protagonist a fictional representation of a well-off Athenian. Very nice!

@ryandebruin9221 6 лет назад

I love these types of story videos

@noltehsu 6 лет назад

Yes. Do more of these

@niladrisaha5441 6 лет назад

its really nice content. hope many more chimes ahed. best wishes from india ❤🙏

@user-yj4qz5lo6k 6 лет назад

Things in Ancient Greece seem much better than in modern Greece , I wish we still had those meetings

@abyssstrider2547 6 лет назад

Blade You support slavery?

@VALDIGNE 6 лет назад

Animals were sacrificed to Deities (only in religious events) which is more honorable and humane than the way they slaughter animals today.

@bristoled93 6 лет назад

Yeah they had slaves and they had a meeting about massacring all the men and enslaving the women and children of an island, ancient Greece seems so much better than modern Greece.

@Ernest_XX 5 лет назад

We dont have them cause we are too many and imagine SHOWING YOUR VOTE IN GREECE

@zutrue 4 года назад

LoL...yeah, sure you do. Ask Socrates about those meetings. Also the ancient Greeks were conquered for one reason: They never learned how to get along with each other. They literally beat themselves into such a state of weakness that they were easily conquered. They never united. And finally it was too late for them to unite.