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A deceivingly tough integral 

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@bartekabuz855
@bartekabuz855 Год назад
tan(pi/8)=sin(pi/4)/(1+cos(pi/4))=sqtr(2)-1 you could have used that
@holyshit922
@holyshit922 Год назад
We can also calculate indefinite integral by substitution u = x/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)) This substitution will rationalize integrand
@daddy_myers
@daddy_myers Год назад
My dad always told me not to stick it in crazy, now I know exactly why he told me that.
@maths_505
@maths_505 Год назад
😂😂
@daddy_myers
@daddy_myers Год назад
Great integral, bro. One ick I had about it was that it didn't evaluate to a nice value at the end and instead ended up with a bunch of radicals; however, apart from that, the integral was 🔥🔥.
@maths_505
@maths_505 Год назад
@@daddy_myers this integral really did take by surprise. The journey with all those transformations was awesome but the simplification towards the end really was annoying.
@holyshit922
@holyshit922 Год назад
We can also simplify integrand by integration by parts twice Int(sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)),x) = x*sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))-1/2Int(x/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))*(2x^3/sqrt(1+x^4))) Int(sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)),x) = x*sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))-Int(x^4/(sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))*sqrt(1+x^4)),x) Int(sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)),x) = x*sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))-1/2*Int(2x^3/sqrt(1+x^4)*x/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)),x) d/dx x/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)) = (sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)) - x*1/2*1/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))*2x^3/sqrt(1+x^4))/(1+sqrt(1+x^4)) d/dx x/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)) = ((1+sqrt(1+x^4)) - x^4/sqrt(1+x^4))/((1+sqrt(1+x^4))*sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))) d/dx x/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)) = (sqrt(1+x^4)+1+x^4 - x^4)/((1+sqrt(1+x^4))*sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))*sqrt(1+x^4)) d/dx x/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)) = (1+sqrt(1+x^4))/((1+sqrt(1+x^4))*sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))*sqrt(1+x^4)) d/dx x/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)) = 1/(sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))*sqrt(1+x^4)) Int(sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)),x) = x*sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))-1/2*(x*sqrt(1+x^4)/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)) - Int(sqrt(1+x^4)*1/(sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))*sqrt(1+x^4)),x) Int(sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)),x) = x*sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))-1/2*x*sqrt(1+x^4)/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4))+1/2*Int(1/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)),x) Now we can substitute u=x/sqrt(1+sqrt(1+x^4)) and it will be a liitle less calculations
@uvtears
@uvtears Год назад
omg u typed that all out?
@holyshit922
@holyshit922 Год назад
If we like Euler substitutions second one will be good option sqrt(1+x^4)=x^2u^2-1 In fact this is reciprocal of substitution which i previously proposed
@Aditya_196
@Aditya_196 4 месяца назад
Reading all that is gonna be hell painful
@MrWael1970
@MrWael1970 Год назад
tedious integral, but stunning solution. Thank you.
@DrAYOUBZ
@DrAYOUBZ Год назад
you're one of the amazing mathematics channel which i'm studying hard with them , thank prof
@NurBiswas-fc6ty
@NurBiswas-fc6ty Год назад
This channel is really phenomenal.
@manstuckinabox3679
@manstuckinabox3679 Год назад
Get out of here... get out. that video should go down on why this channel is for the absolute mad men, and I can't be more happier to be part of it LOL! great video as always my dude.
@firmkillernate
@firmkillernate Год назад
Integrals are the best puzzles
@ishu4535
@ishu4535 Год назад
Amazing Video Sir
@pluieuwu
@pluieuwu Год назад
this is ridiculously cool.
@slavinojunepri7648
@slavinojunepri7648 Год назад
Amazing solution
@arthurc.1832
@arthurc.1832 Год назад
Awesome!!!
@aryaghahremani9304
@aryaghahremani9304 Год назад
this integral looks like when the professor is on vacation and the TA gives the homework instead
@giuseppemalaguti435
@giuseppemalaguti435 Год назад
I=-arctgu-arcthu+4(u+(2/5)u^5+(3/9)u^9+(4/13)u^13+(5/17)u^17...u=sqrt (sqrt2-1)...=1,4449..l'ultima parte è una serie binomiale,non ho trovato di meglio..Thanks for the integrals
@petrie911
@petrie911 Год назад
This can be considerably simplified through the application of trig identities. Letting w = 2^(-1/4), we have I = (2sqrt(sqrt(2) + 1) + arccosh(sqrt(2) + 1) + arccos(sqrt(2) - 1))/4 = (sqrt(w^2 + 1)/w + arcsinh(w) + arccos(w))/2 As for the derivation, for brevity, I'll write T = tan(pi/8). The logarithm term is equivalently 2 arctanh(sqrt(tan(pi/8)). Then we can use cosh(2 arctanh(x)) = (1+x^2)/(1-x^2) and cos(2 arctan(x)) = (1-x^2)/(1+x^2), meaning those terms are equivalently arccosh((1 + T)/(1-T)) and arccos((1-T)/(1+T)). Then we can use (1 + tan(x))/(1-tan(x)) = tan(x + pi/4) to simplify to arccosh(1/T) and arccos(T). Now we can use T = sqrt(2) - 1 to simplify the fraction term to get the first form above. Applying the half-angle identities to the inverse trig terms then gets the second. Using the above method, we can also get an explicit antiderivative of the original function. It comes out to (2x sqrt(1 + sqrt(1 + x^4)) + arccosh(sqrt(1 + x^4) + x^2) + arccos(sqrt(1 + x^4) - x^2)) / 4 which gives the value above when x = 1. I leave verification that the above differentiates to the integrand as an exercise to the reader. It should also be noted that the expressions inside the inverse trig functions are tangent half-angle formulae, but I can't seem to figure out a way to further simplify.
@MohamedachrafKadim-jm5yr
@MohamedachrafKadim-jm5yr Год назад
Nice bro
@laurencewigton2463
@laurencewigton2463 Год назад
If u=Sqrt[1+x^4] then Mathematica gives: Integrate[Sqrt[1+u],x] = (1/2)*(x*Sqrt[1+u] + ArcTan[x/Sqrt[1+u]] + ArcTanh[x/Sqrt[1+u]])
@bartekabuz855
@bartekabuz855 Год назад
W for using Wolfram alpha for partial fraction
@anupamamehra6068
@anupamamehra6068 Год назад
hi couldnt we have used integration by parts? like we have that sec^2x term inside the integral which is nicely the derivative of tanx wrtx
@dzuchun
@dzuchun Год назад
just a normal problem they throw at you in your first year 😢
@ulfatunnegar7689
@ulfatunnegar7689 Год назад
Bro, Make videos on I.M.O problems
@The_Shrike
@The_Shrike Год назад
Hi, the new layout you use for the problems makes it so I can’t view the whole thing in full screen on mobile. Idk if you know what I’m talking about, but the issue only appears on the newer videos.
@maths_505
@maths_505 Год назад
I forgot to use the full screen mode on the notes app for this video. Sorry about that I'll fix it for tomorrow's video
@yoav613
@yoav613 Год назад
(Almost) impossible integral 😃💯
@notesfromundergroundenjoyer
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@MortezaSabzian-db1sl
@MortezaSabzian-db1sl Год назад
Like 👍
@koendos3
@koendos3 Год назад
Do you have yor tablet already?
@maths_505
@maths_505 Год назад
Yup
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