A Deep Dive into the Pro-Ject Classic Evo Turntable with Surprising Results

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@deney54 2 года назад

Back in the 70s I got a used turntable, it did not play well at all, so I took it in to a shop in Seattle, and the guy was showing me what he had to do to set it up right. I was surprised at that time he had a test record also and an Oscilloscope. I did not know there was that much to set up a turntable, I think it cost me about $40, a lot of money back then. But I bet it's about $200 or more now. Prob a lot more. I wish I had my old Hi Fi stuff now ... I traded it all for a Harley.

@artyfhartie2269 2 года назад

The white plastic protractor is supposed to be put on the spindle to adjust overhang. That's what the hole at the top is for. Amazing

@kevinstephenson4728 2 года назад

Remove the transport screws then start tipping the thing on it's side, nice.

@amosperrine1909 2 года назад

If it performs as well as it looks -- certainly inspired by Linn -- and with the right cartridge the setup should be a huge hit with folks who want their systems to have a classic, vintage look. Nice vid.

@ProjectOverseer 8 месяцев назад

My OCD kicked in. You're seriously heavy handed 😅

@martinscase3904 2 года назад

Really enjoyable video. Looks to be a nice turntable. I might consider it if my trusty 50 year old Thorens 150 gives up the ghost.

@Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrr Год назад

Grammes are a unit of mass, Newtons are a unit of force (specifically weight in this case). The relationship between the two varies because of changes in gravity, due to where you are on the planet. Scales measure weight, even if they give readings in units of mass.

@robertb5640 2 года назад

Nice video, I have a 2 xperience classic that I bought over 10 years ago and is still running strong. I see the biggest upgrade they made since then is on the back of the tonearm. The best thing about pro ject is if a part does go bad you can find almost every part, from the platter, the belts, bearings, whatever on the internet..

@eltucamote3903 2 месяца назад

Beautiful!!😍😍

@yambo59 2 года назад

I realize hes very well linformed and like most guys too stubborn to read instructions, but id really have been looking for those feet long before I started dragging this (expensive-!!) rig around on the table

@dburt0021 10 месяцев назад

Excellent, detailed video. Thanks for posting!

@morrisonAV 2 года назад

Fernando, I saw that you showed the Fozgometer but didn't use it in your setup. Curious as to why not. My ProJect Classic has been great and nice to see so many similarities between mine and this new model. I really wish I could do the speed changes with the little buttons which mine does not allow. Also discovered that my dustcover was picking up low frequency energy in my room (even when closed) so have to remove it every time I'm playing vinyl.

@kjbunnyboiler 2 года назад

I suspect the thinner larger belt is for 45 and 78rpm using the lower larger part of the motor pulley (so it requires a belt change to run 45 rpm and it is electronically adjusted to 78rpm. The use of a larger belt also means the 33rpm belt is not over stretched on the lower larger dia section of the pulley.

@tanyet 2 года назад

Fernando had his Starbucks before this vid. HIFI flying all around. I dig it.

@redboxfile100 2 года назад

Cleaning the test record would be a good idea. and using the cueing device would help prevent damage to the groove.

@SkyFiAudio 2 года назад

Your spot on Paul .

@karolg.7136 Год назад

N in the 'International System of Units' is a unit of force (newtons) 1 N = 1 kg x 1 m/s^2

@onsenkuma1979 2 года назад

I find Pro-Ject's Xtension 9 Evolution a real stunner, in part because I prefer 'old school' wood plinths and classic looks. To me a lot of modern TTs look like something you'd run a DNA sample through in a CSI lab...functionally superior but hideous to the point of fugly...

@tmdillon1969 5 месяцев назад

I'm thinking about getting one of these as I haven't been happy with my VPI build and the "customer service" at VPI.

@producer73 2 года назад

The other spool is for 45 RPM, the little key is for changing the belt from 33 to 45 and vice-versa...

@SkyFiAudio 2 года назад

Gotcha, thanks!! I think the other spool is for 78rmp. How would you use the key?

@jamesminotto8036 2 года назад

Gloves are to avoid finger print marks/oil. Similar to what Roksan do with their TT's. Nice video.

@rukosody420 Год назад

he is joking ....gloves are for cold fingers

@vals8062 2 года назад

Beautiful looking turntable only problem in my opinion is it is belt drive and not direct drive with quartz lock for speed accuracy.

@carmenandthedevil2804 2 года назад

lol

@sbwlearning1372 2 года назад

Yep and they are noisy

@vals8062 2 года назад

@@sbwlearning1372 My Technics SL-Q2 is super quiet and will blow away the new junk their making.

@johnhpalmer6098 2 года назад

@@vals8062 What he means is that the table will rumble and it likely carries up to the platter as it's directly coupled to the platter, whilst belts isolate the motor from the platter. I run belt drive, btw.

@tomwebb7091 Год назад

The Technics stuff is so badly overrated. My olde Pioneer PL51 direct drive of 40years is better put together than the £4000 GAE ltd edition. The new Technics are often warped in the platter and have crappy arm lifts. Belt drives and suspended ones are alot vetter sounding... they can loosen up and boogie for one thing! I still use the Pioneer for some dance music genres where it excels but for 80% of my listening the Thorens and Projects satisfy me alot more

@pierredoumenge 2 года назад

Can one fit a different tonearm on the Classic Evo? The VTA adjustment is possible but a real pain. Just found your channel Fernando and I'm loving it!

@puciohenzap891 2 года назад

Pro-Ject stuff varies wildly, I've had the RPM's and they are more like MDF toys rather than a serious piece of HiFi, at the other end of the spectrum we have the Evo series, a totally different story...and above that we have EAT turntables (Pro Ject and EAT are related). p.s No need for spindle bearing oil?

@johnhpalmer6098 2 года назад

A lot of tables these days come with the spindle bearing oiled so no need to deal with it. VPI does not, and has you putting a drop in and note when you did and once a year, put a fresh drop in the spindle bearing. I have the Rega P6 and it came pre-oiled and ready to go, except for the platter, adding the cartridge as I didn't buy mine with a cart as I already had a decent one. All I had to do was remove the insert that raided up the sub platter just enough to not rest on the bottom of the bearing well during shipment, install the cartridge, and plug in the Neo power supply and it was more or less ready, oh, as this table, the counter weight had to be installed.

@chrisblock6697 2 года назад

Nice video. Funny how you start off mentioning mixing with an MC240. My Classic SB (with pre-installed Ortofon Red MC)is mixed with an MC240. Specifically bought this model because of the the Linn "look".

@salmorreale7900 Год назад

Hate the fishing string, just don't get it. Went with the Rega P3 and the exact cartridge. Red, love it.

@Bess216 Год назад

Very interesting. Could possible remake sub chassics and put springs instead of elastomers

@revamp777 2 года назад

Speed change missed and you chucking the "KEY TO THE KINGDOM" away while you put grease on the belt , surprised you don't know this .

@Jammerk40 2 года назад

The anti skate was off some it was pulling to the center! Was it set right?

@yambo59 2 года назад

Its NOT cheating to look at the manual especially on something this expensive, ITS SMART. Im still perplexed at why after many decades of developement the high end table still insist on using a piece of fishing line and a weight to adjust anti-skating, seems very crude for such a precision device as a tone arm.

@sbwlearning1372 2 года назад

That's exactly right they just cheap out on it. I'll never buy one again

@Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrr Год назад

The alternative anti skate methods are magnetic, which doesn't work so well, or springs, which degrade sound quality

@yambo59 5 месяцев назад

feet adjustable for leveling-?, not tightened up like a lugnut. On something this expensive im sorry but im gonna look at the instructions just to be sure of something I wasnt aware of -

@andyachim4621 2 года назад

Next time read the manual so you would not have to guess or improvise.

@gjnbouwmeester5860 2 года назад

U-Turn tables are really good value for money🙂

@quikspecv4d 2 года назад

Pro-ject really needs a better hinge design for the dust covers.

@carravagio16 Год назад

handling this $2300 turntable like a bull in a china shop

@Jezza-k3y 2 месяца назад

Have you seen his Thorens video? It's like a demolition derby... crash, bang, wallop...

@pef1960 2 года назад

Why on earth didn't you read the instructions first?!

@puciohenzap891 2 года назад

Real men don't read manuals. If we f.. up, we go back, re-evaluate and try again...or we buy a new one. :D

@bronco1997 2 года назад

I read the manual but I still had find a RU-vid video to learn how to set up the tracking. That plastic scale had me pulling out my hair.

@Technical_Audio Год назад

No kidding! At least skim the manual. He might have saved time. I also felt he was a bit rushed and too rough with the handling it.

@ABRAXAS37 Год назад

@@puciohenzap891 amen. I’ll watch a few videos on it while waiting for it to ship then go straight at it

@TheUnrevealer Год назад

The manual is not that informative and sometimes misleading. VTA screw in manual is shown in exact opposite side :)

@ingenfestbrems 2 года назад

Ortofon in Scandinavia. Special version of 2m red. More expensive one comes with ortofon quintet red

@puciohenzap891 2 года назад

The special version of the 2M Red meant for Pro-Ject is the 2M Silver.

@SkyFiAudio 2 года назад

Good to know. Interesting how it depends on the market. Thanks for sharing Jorn.

@batman.darthmaul 2 года назад

mN = milli-Newton, or, 1/1000th of a Newton. It's basically a measure of weight. 1 Newton = 3.597 ounces, so, 1 mN = 0.003597 ounces.

@yambo59 5 месяцев назад

Carbon fiber on the tonearm is just there for effect, make it look more exotic than it really is - its not actually a carbon fiber tone arm at its heart just aluminum - but nothing really wrong with that.

@steveodian6008 2 года назад

What are your thoughts on that swinging anti skate counter weight? I noticed that it continues to swing long after the record is playing. Does that have any effect on the sound?

@sbwlearning1372 2 года назад

Cheap and nasty implementation. Gets in the way.

@Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrr Год назад

This type of anti skate affects the sound less than a spring type (which are prone to resonance), and works better than a magnetic type (which are prone to hysteresis).

@jerrylee7737 8 месяцев назад

A perfect example of how not to proceed. Instead of opening the manual first and familiarizing himself with the individual components and how to assemble them, he throws the manual away as unnecessary and then guesses what to use for what. A real thinker. Cemeteries and emergency rooms in hospitals are full of them.

@SheepNizzle 8 месяцев назад

Exactly. This is the most frustrating unboxing I've ever seen.

@agencjaad6980 10 месяцев назад

Powinieneś w miejsce woła obsługiwać kierat ! A nie takie cacko. Łapy masz precyzyjne jak u goryla ! Czy każdy sprzęt po twojej "robocie" jest uszkodzony ??

@bronco1997 2 года назад

I have the same turntable that came with the Ortofon Red MC cartridge. I also purchased a matching Pro-ject phono box DS2 USB. Right from the first set up I noticed a slight but perceptible hum. The hum was mitigated by moving a my modem/router away from the phono amp. I couldn’t remove the hum completely so I decided to purchase a EAT linear power supply. This particular unit has two linear power supplys in it which allows me to replace both PSUs for the EVO and DS2 phono amp. I did a little research and found out that the maker/engineer of EAT also makes high end turntables and just happens to be the wife of the owner of Pro-ject. The products are also a perfect marriage as the hum is completely gone. In fact, I can place my modem/router on top of the phono amp and there is absolutely gone. So if your customers want to eliminate some crappy PSUs look into a EAT Linear power supply. www.europeanaudioteam.com/en/eat-lps-linear-power-supply-wp000037.html

@sbwlearning1372 2 года назад

Or just buy a turntable designed properly that doesn't need aftermarket accessories to make it perform as it should

@yambo59 2 года назад

Again on the "plastic gizmo" - read the instructions-!!! lol

@johnholmes912 2 года назад

The second groove is for 78rpm

@neverknowit11 2 года назад

Would the tracking force change if the record mat was removed? Or the thickness of the record?

@TheUnrevealer Год назад

In short - yes. Depends on thickness ofc, but with supplied plastic scale, you should measure the wtf by putting scale directly on the metal platter, then it is really accurate.

@JLeeeP Год назад

This video seems more like a reason to never buy anything from this place.

@MrZookeeper38 2 года назад

This guy needs to be more careful when setting up audio equipment !

@marcmarcello981 2 года назад

This guy need to be leaving audio equipment well alone.

@MrZookeeper38 2 года назад

@@marcmarcello981 Ha ha Me and my naim 500 series will be very happy leaving these types of service people well alone .

@ceejaydeesoozaa Год назад

POOR MAN'S LINN SONDEK LP12?

@Jezza-k3y 2 месяца назад

Opens the box and smacks the delicate main bearing shaft onto the table, then proceeds to rough handle this "precision instrument" througout the rest of the video. He will need his test equipment to help repair the damage he inflicted on the turntable. Does this guy actually have a hi-fi business?

@yambo59 2 года назад

Maybe the tonearm has an aluminum tube for rigidity and carbon fiber to dampen resonance?? curious.

@davidtomsett 2 года назад

Quite clumsy handling of a piece of hi fi equipment.

@jesse1779 Год назад

It’s ok looking. But that on off button is awful. I would also rather the platter turn when you move the tonearm. I thought about getting a new turntable but after seeing this I’ll stick with vintage.

@marcbegine 2 года назад

This proves you need to read the manual 😅

@yambo59 2 года назад

Anti skate didnt not perform well as adjusted, oughtta be freaking perfect for this kind of money, hinges should be self holding. Always amazes me the little things they leave out on this stupid expensive stuff

@sbwlearning1372 2 года назад

Better turntables at the price cheapened out for essentially a thousand pound turntable

@andrewscott1253 2 года назад

New turntable that can perform? What about Technics? A good direct drive will aways be on time.

@puciohenzap891 2 года назад

In my opinion Technics has great motors but the tonearm is...what it is (Yes I know there is the EPA100 and others with swappable wands) That said, a new 1200MK7 is a no brainer for a simple to use, reliable turntable. Not sure how the Pro Ject tonearms sound/track, though.

@carmenandthedevil2804 2 года назад

Yeah but flat as a pancake. Boring.

@andrewscott1253 2 года назад

@@carmenandthedevil2804 Yes, in comparison to decks that cost 5x more than the technics. You wont find better at its price point.

@JumbleTasteSpinning Год назад

That's exactly why i chose technics and got rid of belts and anti-skate problems

@enedenedubedene4811 Год назад

Was ist das für ein Idiot? Für was gibt es Bedienungsanleitungen?👎👎👎👎👎😱😱😱😱 Viele Grüße aus Germany

@chrishoumiller8338 Год назад

It would be nice if you did a pretest before you shot the video. Somewhat aggravating to see you stumble.

@richardkeyes5844 6 месяцев назад

They copied Thorens. I don't mind if they come out with a modern turntable with a vintage look but at least be original while doing so.

@dwahnaslowdown8887 23 дня назад

Ten minutes spent on research before you record will help avoid so many false assumptions.

@aetopus1228 Год назад

Great demo. One little issue I had - Your casual treatment of the unboxing process gave me a slight cringe reaction. I felt like you were banging things around a bit, and ignoring instructions and basic physical details. This particular item became B stock the moment I watched the vid. Thank you, however, for the thorough evaluation of the item!

@wimpiethebunny2941 Год назад

All this f..k... talk. Why not tell us you did the set up, and let us know if you like this table.

@greggrunert7219 2 года назад

Typical male of the species. Throw the instructions away, try to put in together, find extra parts, go back to the instructions and put it together the right way. Could have saved yourself some time and frustration by reading the manual first.

@JC-oc7um 2 года назад

LMAO! What a fing joke 😂

@ronsokolowski1395 3 месяца назад

YOU SHOULD READ FIRST !!!

@rickc661 2 года назад

Great obviously H.Q. unit, even from Utube video. I'd love to find a good+ condition Dual from mid /late '70's. ( highpoint of HiFi to me, at least visual and maybe technical as well )) & compare (actual tech tests) to my 2 year old. thorens TD103a which has VERY classic look, the tonearm looks near exact like the Dual ULM (low mass ) arm.....minor point - my Thorens also has small cutouts in the back for the cables. absurd way to irritate users, very little clearance. and, comment on short tiny wires for the back of Cartridge - I'm 73 couldn't do the thorens wires even thou they look fine, maybe the Ortofon cart uses non standard plug connects .?? > previous I used a '78 Pioneer full auto for 4 decades, still working fine actually. all the doodads like suspended chassis... Yer after my heart - put it together first, then ( maybe- read the instructions next week )