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A FAILED Toyota Transmission? U660 6 Speed Automatic Teardown! 

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Here's a look inside the Toyota U660 series of transmissions and how they work!
The U660 transaxles are used in many late 2000 Lexus and Toyota front wheel drive transverse 6 speed automatic transmission models, mated to the 2GR series of engines. The U150 series was its predecessor and are equally reliable, unless abused.
The transmission in this video is from a Toyota Highlander with a U661 variant for AWD. It suffered catastrophic failure, with all of the clutches wearing out. The oil pump had a broken gear, and even a sun gear from the first planetary gearset was broken.
This transmission likely experienced an overheat condition where it was run low on fluid or heavily overloaded due to towing.
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Комментарии : 136   
@2405jacko
@2405jacko Месяц назад
The " Lifetime Fluid " is correct. The fluid is lifetime, but the transmission isn't. Love your videos , keep them coming my friend.
@zxggwrt
@zxggwrt Месяц назад
It is amazing people still believe in lifetime fluid
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
It's fluid for the lifetime of the transmission.
@2405jacko
@2405jacko Месяц назад
@@zxggwrt I know, right?
@reidos6420
@reidos6420 20 дней назад
It's the lifetime of the warranty. Outside of that, you're on your own.
@2405jacko
@2405jacko 20 дней назад
I was being sarcastic.
@regperatrovich9406
@regperatrovich9406 Месяц назад
That oil pump carnage was impressive.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Yes it was!
@AAPLGUY
@AAPLGUY Месяц назад
I am still blown away at the complexity of automatic transmissions 😳🤯😮
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
It sure is amazing!
@RickJohnson
@RickJohnson Месяц назад
Interesting that you state that this transmission series doesn't fail often. We had a '14 Sienna SE where the transmission failed after just 3300 miles on a 2-week west coast road trip. No towing, just 6 people + luggage. Symptoms were that it suddenly wouldn't shift past 3rd gear w/o just revving - 4th and higher wouldn't engage. The Toyota tech mentioned that there was clutch material all over in the pan, but since dealers mostly just perform parts swaps after some diagnostic steps, that's as much as we learned. The trans was swapped under warranty, but they had to "pull one from the assembly line" as they apparently don't fail often and there wasn't a spare in their parts network. We had to use a loaner van to get home, then the dealer trailered our van from Reno to Phoenix, and swapped their loaner for our van.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Wow. I didn't think they failed so often. I have a 2011 Sienna 🤞
@kgbreviews35
@kgbreviews35 Месяц назад
They do not fail very often. You have to understand. That there will always be a lemon even in the good ones. Just like there will be a good one in the bad ones. Right now, there's someone driving a nissan altima with a cvt transmission with 250k on the original. Even though we know it's highly likely those transmission will fail way before 250k.
@NYstranger74
@NYstranger74 Месяц назад
Ive done 4 drain and fills on my "lifetime" fluid
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Yes that's the recommended way
@SofiaCox-og3uc
@SofiaCox-og3uc Месяц назад
The Transmission Strainer (Filter) is OEM, not aftermarket.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Thanks
@msylvain59
@msylvain59 Месяц назад
How hell can you manage to break an oil pump this bad ? 🤯
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
I sure was astonished! Never thought it could crack and seize up
@oscarlmolina
@oscarlmolina Месяц назад
Wow, amazing amount of damage. Never seen anything like that. Great video.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
It sure was a surprise for me too!
@liver.flush.maestro
@liver.flush.maestro Месяц назад
I agree, it is surprisingly easy to take apart for an auto transmission, I didn't see you using your universal removal tool 🙂
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Grinder haha
@TroyStevensStelzerPaintingInc
@TroyStevensStelzerPaintingInc Месяц назад
Great vid as always. I wonder how many transmissions have failed since they've done away with dipsticks vs. failed transmissions caused by dumb people with vehicles which had dipsticks. Add the sealed trans to the mix as well. Maybe it's better this way, but does make it more of a pain to DIY. It'd be nice if they included inline filters on many of the more problematic transmissions to help minimize failures in the long term, but that's also something which could be done by a competent DIY'er in most cases.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
As long as it lasts past the warranty it's not the OEM's problem anymore.
@liver.flush.maestro
@liver.flush.maestro Месяц назад
The oil pump damage is impressive!
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
It sure is! I wasn't expecting that.
@wswsn7396
@wswsn7396 Месяц назад
I drained and filled my Camry with Valvoline maxlife trans fluid, it works fine with 2015 Camry.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Good choice. Isn't it the same price as Toyota WS dealership fluid?
@wswsn7396
@wswsn7396 Месяц назад
@@speedkar99 Valvoline 5 qt jug price at Walmart is less than 1/3 of dealer price of WS.
@JDMSwervo2001
@JDMSwervo2001 Месяц назад
My 08 Avalon had an occasional shift flare before it completely failed
@James-vt2cb
@James-vt2cb Месяц назад
That vintage (2007) of Avalon had really weak transmissions with a very torquey engine. A relative had hers fail at only 130k miles, but I don't think she ever had the fluid changed. She also didn't stop completely after reversing out of the driveway and shifting into drive. I shuddered every time, but I don't know if this contributed to the early failure or not.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Besides the flare was there anything else before it blew out?
@JDMSwervo2001
@JDMSwervo2001 Месяц назад
@@speedkar99 nope. One day I just wouldn’t go into reverse on a really cold morning
@warriorplutotrent3827
@warriorplutotrent3827 Месяц назад
Im a car dealer and i avoid these 07 lexus amd Toyota with this transmission. My friend didnt and all the vehicles he purchased like that the reverse went out lol
@k4piii
@k4piii Месяц назад
Remember OEMs don't make any money from 300k mi vehicles, so they will recommend to never change fluids to sell you a new car when yours braks after warranty. Change you fluids, do a lot of preventative maintenance.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Agreed! I think this transmission was more than just not changing the fluid though
@danhg3885
@danhg3885 Месяц назад
The U660 is a throwaway unit. They always come in completely grenaded and are too expensive to rebuild. Excessive Pump bushing clearance is common and why the pump gears failed. It’s a smooth shifting unit, but it’s a bad design and a step back in your typical Toyota reliability. Blame Toyota for their awful recommended service intervals as well. Even the dealers tell customers the unit is sealed and not serviceable which is a bad joke.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Agreed. A few more failures on this than the U150 series but it needed the Xtra gear for economy and to handle the torque of the 2GR engines. The oil pump failure was astonishing
@warriorplutotrent3827
@warriorplutotrent3827 Месяц назад
So theres no preventing this? Lol does this still happen on the 2010+?
@timbober1
@timbober1 Месяц назад
Thank you! Always interesting to watch you take stuff apart to see what ails them.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@donvoll2580
@donvoll2580 Месяц назад
G day from Waterloo I am glad u didn,t need any clothing from ur bro. Good video Ths
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Welcome
@WiseGuyzGarage
@WiseGuyzGarage Месяц назад
These absolutely love to shift flare between 2-3 on early models(up until 2009 I believe). We had the same issue on my brother's car. It had about 200k on it. It was serviced every 50k miles by the original oil. They did offer a service update at the dealership to retune the TCU, but sometimes it was already too late. We permanently fixed it by swapping to a manual transmission(E351) lol.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Manual transmission on a V6 2GR?
@WiseGuyzGarage
@WiseGuyzGarage Месяц назад
@@speedkar99 yes that’s correct! Lol ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o4qc4j3_GW4.htmlsi=N3rFGUO4hovSx0ay
@WiseGuyzGarage
@WiseGuyzGarage Месяц назад
@@speedkar99 yes that is correct! We used the 4 cyl transmission. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o4qc4j3_GW4.html
@Brian_L_5168
@Brian_L_5168 Месяц назад
You are exactly right, the drain method will remove about 2 liter of WS fluid b/c I just did my RAV4 U660 last month. Due to the oil pan design, do you think it's wise drilling a whole at the bottom of tranny oil pan so it will drain extra 1 liter for a total of 3 liter? Your tear-down is so helpful. You are a natural & gifted educator / professor ! 💯
@Chorizomicks
@Chorizomicks Месяц назад
Or just change your fluid often instead of drilling an extra hole lol
@Chorizomicks
@Chorizomicks Месяц назад
@@Brian_L_5168 or if u trying to get all, disassemble your torque converter to drain most of the fluid lol
@einfelder8262
@einfelder8262 Месяц назад
No drilling needed. Just do a full flush oil change. This uses the transmission oil pump to evacuate all the oil.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Don't drill a hole! Just keep changing it every other oil change or so and eventually the fluid will be fresh.
@seshachary5580
@seshachary5580 11 дней назад
as always awesome education indeed. Thank you regards
@wayneknodel3347
@wayneknodel3347 Месяц назад
Obviously another illustration of how Too Much Maintenance leads to ultimate destruction.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Because of this I just went to the dealer and am going to change my transmission fluid now.
@michaelhodge9902
@michaelhodge9902 Месяц назад
Transmission computer is built onto the valve body.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
No
@terryscruggs5876
@terryscruggs5876 Месяц назад
Another awesome video !!! Thanks for sharing !!! 👍
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Welcome
@earlscheib7754
@earlscheib7754 Месяц назад
Looks like Toyota wanted to keep up with hondas v6 automatic transmissions
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Haha!
@CedroCron
@CedroCron Месяц назад
Probably the “lifetime” fluid that destroyed this transmission
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
No such thing as lifetime fluid
@CedroCron
@CedroCron Месяц назад
@@speedkar99 Totally agree!
@saultube44
@saultube44 Месяц назад
This is proof that the Transmission Fluid/Oil, should be Flushed and changed periodically, so it doesn't destroy itself out. Some say every 50-60,000 Miles, but if you say 15-30,000 Km,/10-20,000 miles, then that's good for me
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
I'd say once a year drain and fill. Keeps the fluid fresh and not flushed.
@saultube44
@saultube44 Месяц назад
@@speedkar99 Thx👍🙂
@saultube44
@saultube44 Месяц назад
@@speedkar99 Do all Transmissions Pans are like this, this is so inconvenient, I'd like it to be like the Engine's; I'm referring to a 2018 Toyota Corolla
@BigDipper79
@BigDipper79 Месяц назад
How ironic my U660F in my 2010 Rx350 just took a crap.
@Wtrxprs007able
@Wtrxprs007able Месяц назад
Holy hell this one grenaded. Id probably say it was stolen and driven like so, constant neutral dumping or high loading it by holding both pedals down too long too many times or something.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Agreed. This was definitely abused or driven without fluid caused by the hole in the pan.
@JBernhard72
@JBernhard72 Месяц назад
Carrrrrrnaaaage
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Big time
@burgundy4583
@burgundy4583 Месяц назад
imagine a rear engine 2.5 ar-fe mr2 style , on a scion tC / Camry
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Don't they just put the V6 2GR in there already? 2AR is too slow
@zachlafond2652
@zachlafond2652 Месяц назад
We had an es350 with i think the same tranny and i want to say it was "sealed" and "lifetime" fluid. Nope. So dumb for them to not make these serviceable. Great car too.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
They aren't sealed. They can be changed. They just don't recommend it.
@NoorquackerInd
@NoorquackerInd Месяц назад
Friiiick, I have a U660E with 240k mi, bought it used, never been changed, and the drain plug is seized on. Good luck to me, I guess
@djmips
@djmips Месяц назад
It's so small! I'm used to the big ZF units.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Once I took off the bell housing it sure does look small for a Highlander
@chuckh.2227
@chuckh.2227 Месяц назад
No wonder it failed with those insane fluid filling and checking instructions
@einfelder8262
@einfelder8262 Месяц назад
Rubbish. It's a common and dead simple method.
@toby2581
@toby2581 Месяц назад
You usually only have to do it once and measure how much comes out, then add that amount every time you drain it. It's important to have sufficient fluid in a transmission, but an ounce or two one way or the other is no big deal.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Not really. You should measure the proper level because some could leak or not be filled correctly to begin with.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
A dipstick would have been so much easier
@einfelder8262
@einfelder8262 Месяц назад
​@@speedkar99 That transmission had a dipstick - the owner. (Explainer: in Australia, a dipstick is colloquial for a not very smart person)
@joebaucom4537
@joebaucom4537 20 дней назад
THANK YOU JESUS !
@olspanner
@olspanner Месяц назад
Can't say that's well used but it certainly is well abused.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Agreed. Abused. This one is rough.
@chuckh.2227
@chuckh.2227 Месяц назад
That clutch is all steels and no frictions! Huh?
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Well it is now
@Aleks_Mechanics
@Aleks_Mechanics Месяц назад
Hello there!🙌🏼
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Hello there!
@ibzrgman9130
@ibzrgman9130 Месяц назад
How can some of these mfg's now say you don't need to replace your trans fluid it's good for the life of the car, unless you have a leak then that would necessitate opening it up and of course then replacing the fluid. Guess they hope it lasts just enough out of warranty so when it fails like this one they won't be on the hook for it. They they can make money on parts and labor or you buy a new car from them... I was looking a a newer Chevy Blazer and noticed it had no transmission stick. I think GM might be one of the last mfg to stop people checking it.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
1. It's for the lifetime of the transmission, not the car. 2. The fluid can be changed. They just don't recommend it.
@RobertBeck-pp2ru
@RobertBeck-pp2ru Месяц назад
So, let me wrap my head around this; With all those clutch packs slipping and burning, the driver just keeps trucking on???????😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫
@hept0de
@hept0de Месяц назад
Of course! Have you never watched Just Rolled In? 😄
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Oh yeah! Using the transmission to the last.
@jonnycando
@jonnycando Месяц назад
I hope at least the car had high miles....
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
No idea.
@yournightmare9999
@yournightmare9999 Месяц назад
Change oil every 30K
@andersonrodriguez8258
@andersonrodriguez8258 Месяц назад
What transmission from Toyota was more reliable 4 speed 5 speed or 6 ?
@alannguyen5050
@alannguyen5050 Месяц назад
Toyota 5 speeds will outlive the car.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
5 speed U151
@andersonrodriguez8258
@andersonrodriguez8258 Месяц назад
Where you guys rank their 8 speed being use since mid 2010s
@farmcat3198
@farmcat3198 Месяц назад
I had a 4 speed in a 2004 RAV4. It lasted about 160k. It was $6k to replace it.
@James-vt2cb
@James-vt2cb Месяц назад
@@andersonrodriguez8258 I had a 2018 Sienna with an 8-speed. We sold the car really early, partly because of how poorly that thing shifted from day one off the dealer's lot. So much stuttering and odd behavior at acceleration. A loaner vehicle performed identically, so I think it was by design/factory tuning. No idea how long they'll last.
@bonganihalimani9572
@bonganihalimani9572 Месяц назад
If it was cvt it would have failed a long time ago
@Thorscauldron
@Thorscauldron Месяц назад
There are Corolla CVTs with 2-3 hundred thousand miles on them still going strong browse the net.
@bonganihalimani9572
@bonganihalimani9572 Месяц назад
@@Thorscauldron maybe nissan should take some notes
@einfelder8262
@einfelder8262 Месяц назад
@@Thorscauldron I can't imagine the level of dissatisfaction driving a CVT for that long would cause. No wonder there are mental health problems in Toyota CVT drivers. CVTs are a truly awful driving experience.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
I'm curious as to how those are holding up.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Perhaps! Especially if towing
@kclefthanded427
@kclefthanded427 Месяц назад
It's a lot like a 50k mile Nissan CVT that forgot the fluid change
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Lol.
@chuckh.2227
@chuckh.2227 Месяц назад
It's easy to take apart because it practically fell apart
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
Haha
@freezee7547
@freezee7547 Месяц назад
Another abused to Toyota by its consumers.
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
They are reliable but not invincible
@freezee7547
@freezee7547 Месяц назад
@@speedkar99 Yeah, man.
@SilentServiceCode
@SilentServiceCode Месяц назад
You do not need to change transmission fluid every 15,000 km. It generally never needs changing anymore.
@toby2581
@toby2581 Месяц назад
Lol sure, if you want your transmission to catastrophically fail like this one.
@tedsteiner
@tedsteiner Месяц назад
I guarantee you, transmission fluid can't be "never changed" if you want your vehicle to last. Maybe up to the warranty expiration, but fluid breaks down over time, that's just a fact.
@SilentServiceCode
@SilentServiceCode Месяц назад
@@tedsteiner that's fine, you can be wrong.
@einfelder8262
@einfelder8262 Месяц назад
Please don't speak in adult circles, stay in kindergarten where it doesn't matter what bullsh*t you spew.
@chonglers1513
@chonglers1513 Месяц назад
What kind of today's transmissions are you talking about?
@brandonbrandon749
@brandonbrandon749 Месяц назад
Now on that clutch set that was curved I’m thinking that it was slipping for a long long time and the computer recognized it so it kept adding fluid pressure to compensate for the slip so much so that it bent all of the friction disks how impressive 🫢👍💪
@speedkar99
@speedkar99 Месяц назад
It's very impressive, but yes I've seen this before.
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