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a great limit problem. 

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@rainerzufall42
@rainerzufall42 11 месяцев назад
Funny special case (b = 1, c = 2): [arithm. mean of 1 and root_n(a)] ^ n -> sqrt(a) as n->inf; for example (1/2 x (1 + 2^(1/n)))^n -> sqrt(2)
@JCCyC
@JCCyC 11 месяцев назад
I'm looking at another interesting thing in Desmos, if you assume n is any real number: for any b and c >0, the limits when n->0+ and n->0- are, respectively, a and 1 if a>=1, and 1 and a otherwise. It's continuous at 0 only if a=1. Just plug this in: y=\left(\frac{a^{\frac{1}{x}}+b}{c} ight)^{x}
@sochjan
@sochjan 11 месяцев назад
You may replace 1/n by h, and after this transformation use Hospital rule. In this form you differentiate a sequence. You obviously know it works, but in formal you are wrong. To avoid this type of problems you may use Stolz theorem
@kylecow1930
@kylecow1930 11 месяцев назад
you dont even need to use lhopital, at that point it is just the definition of a derivative at 0
@leif1075
@leif1075 11 месяцев назад
What is Stolz theorem..and 1 raised to n as n apprpaches infinity is still1!!
@Kycilak
@Kycilak 11 месяцев назад
Do limits of sequences differ from limits of functions that "look the same"?
@robinbfh5893
@robinbfh5893 10 месяцев назад
Question about case 2. As c > b+1, couldn't we just say [ (a^(1/n) + b) / c ]^n < [ (a^(1/n) + b) / (b + 1) ]^n and then apply the limit on both sides? By case 1, the right hand side converges to a^(1/(b+1)), so the limit in question is bounded by a finite number and thus itself finite. What am I missing?
@adityaujjwalmain5943
@adityaujjwalmain5943 11 месяцев назад
I had used root test then in one the cases used logarithm.
@rinner2801
@rinner2801 11 месяцев назад
Thanks
@BilalAhmed-wo6fe
@BilalAhmed-wo6fe 11 месяцев назад
Very nice limit
@rainerzufall42
@rainerzufall42 11 месяцев назад
Why a^(1/(b+1)) and not a^(1/c), if c = b + 1 ? Easy, peasy!
@tokajileo5928
@tokajileo5928 8 месяцев назад
Let s(x) be the sum of all divisors of x including itself, for examle s(7)=8, s(10)=18, let's create a sum of 1/s(x) as x goes from 1 to infinity. Is that convergent and where does it converge to?
@Alex_Deam
@Alex_Deam 11 месяцев назад
I think there's something wrong with the proof in case 2, because you start by saying that (nthroot(a)+b)/c can get arbitrarily close to (b+1)/c as n gets greater and greater, but then derive the limit as 0 - but if the limit is 0, then clearly at some point as n gets greater and greater the expression starts getting further away from (b+1)/c in order to get closer to 0. Case 3 seems to have not made this mistake, so it's just a matter of copying that argument and modifying it for case 2.
@unflexian
@unflexian 11 месяцев назад
do you accept suggestions here too or is it only on patreon? i have a nice elementary geometry problem for you
@BoringExtrovert
@BoringExtrovert 11 месяцев назад
When we say that a limit exists, doesn’t that necessarily imply that it is finite?
@falquicao8331
@falquicao8331 11 месяцев назад
Depends on the convention, it's nice to specify both just in case
@TheEternalVortex42
@TheEternalVortex42 11 месяцев назад
Often we say a limit exists if it's ±∞ (to distinguish it from no limit at all). Or we might say it "diverges to ±∞"
@IoT_
@IoT_ 11 месяцев назад
As it's already said it depends on convention. If you consider just real numbers R , infinity is out of domain. For instance limit of 1/x² (x goes to zero) would not exist. If you consider extended real line with infinity, then it does exist and it is equal to infinity. HOWEVER , the limit of 1/x doesn't exist even if we consider extended real line , since the limit diverges to different infinities.
@tomaszadamowski
@tomaszadamowski 11 месяцев назад
Not necessarily.
@wpbn5613
@wpbn5613 11 месяцев назад
there's a way in which a "limit converges to infinity" and a way in which a limit fails to converge in any way
@JO06
@JO06 11 месяцев назад
Great video.
@CM63_France
@CM63_France 11 месяцев назад
Hi, 2:47 : 1 and not 0
@t7H2si0vß2
@t7H2si0vß2 11 месяцев назад
Came down here to say the same thing.
@DrR0BERT
@DrR0BERT 11 месяцев назад
One of my pet peeves I have for my Calculus students, one cannot take a derivative of a function defined using a discrete variable. n is defined to be from the positive integers. You can't apply L'H as you can't apply the derivative. All that needed to be done was to state. Something needed to be addressed for this situation. Michael could have just said, "If we view n to be a real variable, and the limit of the function converges, then so does the function on the positive integers."
@spiderwings1421
@spiderwings1421 11 месяцев назад
🤓
@divisix024
@divisix024 11 месяцев назад
Technically speaking the problem didn’t say n is an integer. Maybe it’s often used to denote integers, but just because you use n to denote your variables, doesn’t necessarily mean by some unbreakable mathematical law that it has to be an integer.
@DrR0BERT
@DrR0BERT 11 месяцев назад
@@divisix024 Technically you are correct; he can choose to use any variable he wants. Now considering all his other videos (at least the ones I have seen, and I have been following him for years) have n viewed as an integer. Contextually, one would assume it is an integer. Therein lie the problem. It is ambiguous. And ambiguity should not be the responsibility of the viewer. In the grand scheme of things, this is a tiny tiny tiny part of his whole video. Still, I see my students try to use L'H/derivatives on discrete functions (e.g. lim n->∞ (-1)^n n^2/3^n does not work with L'H if we view n as a real or continuous variable). He could have avoided the ambiguity by providing a single statement of context.
@peceed
@peceed 11 месяцев назад
@@DrR0BERT Don't confuse strictness with persistence.
@filippocamporeale3139
@filippocamporeale3139 11 месяцев назад
How can we take the derivative of a sequence?
@MrRomulocunha
@MrRomulocunha 11 месяцев назад
What does s.t mean?
@tsunningwah3471
@tsunningwah3471 11 месяцев назад
such that
@MrRomulocunha
@MrRomulocunha 11 месяцев назад
Thank you@@tsunningwah3471
@johns.8246
@johns.8246 11 месяцев назад
Bro, you lost me on that number line.
@leif1075
@leif1075 11 месяцев назад
Yea and why define x that way. I don't see why anyone would do that
@kevinmartin7760
@kevinmartin7760 11 месяцев назад
Either I'm half asleep or he completely botched taking the derivative of the numerator for l'Hopital's rule in case 1. The value is a composition f(g(n)) where f(x) is ln(x) and g(x) is (a^(1/x)+b) [after expressing the n'th root as the 1/n'th power] (d/dx)(f(g(x)) is f'(g(x))g'(x) so the derivative should be (1/(a^(1/n)+b))(1/n)(a^(1/n-1)) This simplifies to (a^(1/n-1))/(n(a^(1/n)+b)) whose limit as n approaches infinity is zero. So ln(L)=0 and L=1. Or, as I just mentioned, maybe I'm half asleep.
@alexandreocadiz9967
@alexandreocadiz9967 11 месяцев назад
No because you used the power rule instead of the derivative of the exponential in a^(1/n). Remember here n is the variable and a is a constant so we have another chain rule here a^(1/n) = e^(ln(a)/n) (a^(1/n))' = e^(ln(a)/n) . (ln(a)/n)' = a^(1/n) . ln(a) . -1/n²
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