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A guide to the Ondes Martenot 

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Series Advisor Caroline Potter got a tour inside an ondes Martenot with Stéphane Vaiedelich, Laboratory Manager at the Musée de la Musique, Cité de Musique, Paris. Discover this magical, early electronic instrument which features in Messiaen's Turangalîla-symphonie and was invented in 1928 in Paris by Maurice Martenot.
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Комментарии : 46   
@texanfournow
@texanfournow 4 года назад
Even after watching this video, I don't really understand the "how" of this fascinating instrument. All I know is that Jonny Greenwood brings it to life, and I am grateful.
@calinguga
@calinguga Год назад
well the video didn't explain almost anything. the electronics of the instrument were described as not of interest.
@Sundlofmusicalengineering
@Sundlofmusicalengineering 7 лет назад
great video wish there were more and am fighting to keep this instrument relevent. It is a master peice
@ThroughAlmasEyes
@ThroughAlmasEyes 7 лет назад
Fascinating instrument!
@neonwind
@neonwind 9 лет назад
A most Beautiful instrument.
@Meteotrance
@Meteotrance 7 лет назад
Check also the Hammond Novachord, one of the first polyphonic electronic valve synth, it's just amazing, the good thing with the martenot is the ribbon controler was also used on Mini Moog and Yamaha CS 80, for that it was ground breaking, the resonant speaker was also an amazing idea.
@dfailsthemost
@dfailsthemost 10 месяцев назад
So awesome. It's like everything I love about piano and clarinet fused with the sweep arpeggios of guitar.
@udomatthiasdrums5322
@udomatthiasdrums5322 4 года назад
still love it!!
@udomatthiasdrums5322
@udomatthiasdrums5322 5 лет назад
love it!!
@SuperLucas871
@SuperLucas871 9 лет назад
@Jamie: this instrument is in the musée de la musique in paris, you can find some pictures of it on their website!
@diegoibarrabasurto9424
@diegoibarrabasurto9424 3 года назад
Je navais pas entendu le français depuis de nombreuses annees, je le comprends toujours, super video, ça me dissipe beaucoup de doutes en tant que musicien et en tant qu'ingenieur electronique
@neonwind
@neonwind 9 лет назад
There was also an Ondes that was commissioned for use in Hindu music & the client wanted an instrument that had 24 tones per octave on the keyboard. I read this in the technique de L'Onde electronique by Jeanne Loriod. Does it still exist? I'm sure many folks would love to know.
@longdongsilver4719
@longdongsilver4719 4 года назад
You can tune the instrument as you like. No need for a specially tailored version.
@AffordBindEquipment
@AffordBindEquipment 4 года назад
1:20 secrets...nothing electronic is secret. It can always be reverse engineered. If this became the the rage, it would be reproduced using modern techniques with the added bonus it could be repaired using modern methods.
@longdongsilver4719
@longdongsilver4719 4 года назад
True. The principle of that instrument is well known and there are still somme crazy people who build some. There is even a version with MIDI output. So ther is nothing mysterious or secret about it.
@oldtvnut
@oldtvnut 5 месяцев назад
The video says that Theremin used multiplication but Martenot did not - but any generation of a beat note between two radio oscillators involves multiplication. So, does the "multiplication" here refer to waveshaping for timbre, rather than the initial tone generation?
@neonwind
@neonwind 9 лет назад
It may be of interest to listen to the theme music of the 1970's UFO series by Barry Grey. an orchestration feature some unique uses of the Ondes, it doesn't just create ghostly & beautiful melodic lines.
@Carol120454
@Carol120454 4 года назад
I read that he used it to make the whirring sound of the UFO's as well as the spacey music in that show.
@jamesculbertson1746
@jamesculbertson1746 Год назад
The Captain Scarlet episode Lunarville 7 used the same instrument.
@bariscanbilgin
@bariscanbilgin 7 лет назад
what is the song starting in 3:17 ?
@arthurharrison1345
@arthurharrison1345 7 лет назад
If Martenot didn't use heterodyning (as did Theremin) to make an audible tone, then what exactly did he do with the two radio circuits in his pre-1940s design?
@JoshSemans
@JoshSemans 7 лет назад
I'm fairly certain that Maurice Martenot used heterodyning in his, as you say, 'pre-1940s version' (of which there were several) of the instrument in the 1920's. He was a radio operator in the war, and part of the idea for the instrument came from his experiences with valve radios at the time. He used heterodyning valves up until he 'swapped them out' for transistors in the later models.
@arthurharrison1345
@arthurharrison1345 7 лет назад
Somewhere, there may be schematics.
@JoshSemans
@JoshSemans 7 лет назад
Arthur Harrison there are bits of schematics here and there! Maybe a look at the 'Wavemakers' documentary, too. That's got some good information, presented very well.
@JamesLindauer
@JamesLindauer 7 лет назад
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@marcbrasse747
@marcbrasse747 8 лет назад
Very bad translation. The little bag is a variable resistor to control the volume like a string player does with moving the bow fast (=loud/forte) or slow (=soft/pianisimo) or anything inbetween. Because building a precise enough variabale resitor was difficult at that time this rather complex lever with "little bag" was used.
@samadhist
@samadhist 8 лет назад
+Marc Brassé Thank you for the explanation.
@marcbrasse747
@marcbrasse747 8 лет назад
+Devin Walters You're welcome!
@robertstickles2543
@robertstickles2543 8 лет назад
+Marc Brassé Thank you for the better translation. The video mentions Martenot closely guarding the production process but doesn't really explain that it was primarily the composition of the bag contents, finely tuned to the touch of the individual the instrument was intended for that was his 'big secret'. It's kind of odd that when asked about each of the instruments being different they sidestep the issue and talk about some abandonded upgrades. Perhaps something lost in translation?
@marcbrasse747
@marcbrasse747 8 лет назад
Could be but it is also a matter of having the right background knowledge. I also do not exactly know how the sack works. It is very probable Martenot had to invent something very nifty to get the same effect any A-quality component can today provide of the shelf. For what I know hte sack might contain a cionductive component that settles in a controlled way and thus very finely rounds off jumps in the electric circuit just enough to provide a muisical feeling (I am however totally speculating here so do not mistake this for proven facts). Even Moog only found out after the fact what made the Minimoog such a good sounding instrument. In that respect building the perfect instrument is a bit like educated witchcraft, a combination of propper knowledge but also an almost intuitive feeling for what makes the performers and thus indirectly also the listeners senses tingle. Anyway, all the instruments being more or less singular probabaly has two reasons. 1) Martenot contstantly trying to improve his instrument but also 2) because all copies where handbuilt to order. No mass production quality control here. One cabinet of the same type might be a few mm wider then an other one. Stuff like that. Effect 3 probably is that these sort of specialists want the uniqueness of their subject to rub off on them even more then they actually want to know all the real secrets, and thus they tend to overstate such factors. Academicians eh? Just as human as the rest of us! Still a very nice video though,
@lucasvieira1805
@lucasvieira1805 5 лет назад
Oh my god maybe that specific instrument doesn't work like that. ''I have worked with many and I have never seen two the same''
@Naniamania3
@Naniamania3 6 лет назад
What is the introduction music
@adventuresinwhatever7203
@adventuresinwhatever7203 Год назад
Olivier Messiaen: Fête des belles eaux
@Naniamania3
@Naniamania3 Год назад
@@adventuresinwhatever7203 thank you!
@adventuresinwhatever7203
@adventuresinwhatever7203 Год назад
@@Naniamania3 You are most welcome!
@francoisplaniol1489
@francoisplaniol1489 3 года назад
Too centered on the wave generator. Ondes Martenot is in fact much more the different speakers: normal, resonnance, palme, and gong. This said, I would like to know from ondists-trautonists if there is really an advantage in the ribbon, or if the trautonium expression plate has the same expressive capacity...
@detouredbriefly9426
@detouredbriefly9426 6 лет назад
now you tell me?
@longdongsilver4719
@longdongsilver4719 4 года назад
Ce type est un peu pédant et un peu chiant. D'autant plus pénible qu'il raconte pas mal de choses fausses.
@JapanoiseBreakfast
@JapanoiseBreakfast 4 года назад
... comme?
@longdongsilver4719
@longdongsilver4719 4 года назад
@@JapanoiseBreakfast Les Ondes Martenot n’est pas un instrument « extraordinairement compliqué ». Le principe en est même plutôt simple. Ce qui le rend extraordinaire est le fait d’avoir détourné un principe physique assez simple pour faire de la musique. Il n'y a rien de secret non plus dans cet instrument. En électronique c'est assez facile de reproduire un circuit lorsqu'on a un original. Surtout avec de l'électronique des années 30 qui était assez rudimentaire par rapport à ce qu'elle est maintenant. Il n'existe ni composant secret ou technique secrète. Le fait que ce monsieur ignore tout de l’électronique n'implique pas que tout le monde partage son niveau d'ignorance. Contrairement à ce qu’il affirme, le principe de fonctionnement du theremin est le même que celui des ondes Martenot. Battement entre deux fréquences pour obtenir une fréquence plus basse. Dans le theremin on n’utilise pas de multiplication mais bel et bien une soustraction (comme dans les ondes Martenot) On ne fabrique pas « des timbres » par multiplication de fréquence. Le theremin d’origine était monotimbral, il n’y a pas plusieurs timbres. Theremin n’était pas concurrent de Martenot vu que le theremin avait déjà 8 ans quand Martenot a sorti son instrument. Le mica n’est pas resistif mais isolant. Son explication du système de controle de volume et d’expression est tellement confuse qu’en fait il n’explique rien. Il prouve juste qu’il n’a rien compris à son fonctionnement et il élude avec du jus de chique. On ne « déplace » pas le sac mais on modifie l’épaisseur de poudre de graphite par compression. Le « sac » sert juste à contenir le mélange graphite/mica. Curieusement, la personne qui a sous-titré n’a pas traduit littéralement et est tombé assez juste avec sa réinterprétation. Non, le système utilisant la variation de résistivité d’une poudre à base de graphite n’est pas « extraordinaire ». Son parallèle entre le vocabulaire des violonistes et la façon de gérer l’expressivité des Ondes Martenot est fallacieux. Martenot avait inventé un système original et inédit pour gérer ce paramètre qui n’a rien à voir avec l’archet du violon. Non, ce n’est pas compliqué de comprendre le fonctionnement de l’electronique des Ondes Martenot, il suffit de confier ce travail à un electronicien plutôt qu’à un violoniste qui pense que d’avoir « un peu d’électronique ce n’est pas très interessant » en parlant d’un instrument électronique. C’est aussi con que de dire que les cordes d’une guitare n’ont pas grand intérêt et qu’il vaut mieux se polariser sur la couleur du manche. En fait ce monsieur passe complètement à coté de l’essentiel:. Ce qui est extraordinaire ce n’est ni la soi disante « complexité » de l’instrument ou la mise en oeuvre de principes qui lui échappent mais qui étaient bien connus à l’époque. Non, le vrai trait de génie a été d’utiliser quelques principes simples associés à une technologie naissante et d’en faire un instrument de musique. Et surtout, d’avoir eu le courage de présenter à un public réticent un instrument révolutionnaire. Les ondes Marenot et le theremin ont plus été une révolution acoustique, culturelle et musicale qu’un bond technologique. C’est d’ailleurs dommage d’avoir centré ce documentaire sur l’axe technologique alors que, de toute évidence, nous avons là un présentateur qui possède des connaissances historiques et musicales assez étendues.
@nandocordeiro5853
@nandocordeiro5853 3 года назад
@@longdongsilver4719 d’accord bien expliqué
@assafski
@assafski 3 года назад
not even a single sound??
@nandocordeiro5853
@nandocordeiro5853 3 года назад
9:05 you’re welcome
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