Guest: Ilan Pappe, Professor of History, Director of the European Centre for Palestine Studies, University of Exeter, UK. He is the author of A History of Modern Palestine.
I may have missed it, but I don't think it was ever mentioned here explicitly, that Pappe is Israeli! That may be obvious to some but probably not to all. I think it's important to highlight when Israelis contradict the dominant narrative. Whether they be scholars like Pappe, peace activists, or even victims of the Oct. 7 attacks. There are cracks in the facade. They give me hope.
Most Palestinian Jews before the establishment of Israel were opposed to the usurpation of land and settler colonialism. They knew their faith would be no different than that of Christians and Muslims.
This historian is very dishonest when saying about genocide. Genocide is murder of almost entire ethnicity and is very far in this conflict. Second Israel keeps free all infrastructure in gaza replaced hamas task. Hamas received billions of dollars and nothing invested in gaza. He acts like soccer club support. The fact he is historian doesn't mean he is telling the truth
@@garliclasagna Read the Wikipedia article on him. His parents were German Jews who fled Nazi Germany in the 1930s. If you're trying to say that somehow anybody in the region, including _all Israelis,_ are somehow "actually Palestinian, because it's Palestine," how is that useful? How does it even help Palestinians? He does not come from Palestinian ancestors, or from Palestinian culture, nor does he seem to identify as Palestinian. If he is Palestinian, then I (white American Ashkenazi Jew) am Native American.
Such a thought-provoking presentation by Mr. Pappe. The connection he made between the Palestinian struggle and anti-colonial movements was extremely enlightening.
Jerusalem’s Deputy Mayor Arieh King tweeted a photo of over a hundred naked Palestinians who were kidnapped by IDF , handcuffed, and sitting in the sand, guarded by Israeli soldiers and called it a “Hamas roundup.”. However turns out the men and children in those photos , as young as 13 years old, were doctors journalists, shopkeepers , and other civilians who had sought refuge in UNRWA schools in Beit Lahia. They had been arbitrarily kidnapped and separated from their families which all is a war crime. Deputy Mayor Arieh King wrote that “The IDF is exterminating the Nazi Muslims in Gaza” and that “we must up the tempo”. “If it were up to me,” he added, “I would bring 4 D9’s bulldozers, place them behind the sandy hills and give an order to bury all those hundreds of Nazis alive. They are not human beings and not even human animals, they are subhuman and that is how they should be treated,” King said. He ended by repeating Netanyahu’s biblical Amalek genocidal reference: “Eradicate the memory of the Amalek, we will not forget.”
A true Jew . In the honourable vein of his great ancestors who for two thousand years struggled for freedom and battled against oppression and tyranny in every country they lived in .
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Dear Dr. Ilan Pappe, It’s surprising that you are in Palestine. I would be unhappy to read of your demise. I think it would be a great honor to study with your institute. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
What a rich video. I’m listening this on my way to work and I was surprised by the knowledge of Mr. Ilan Pappe. I’m Jordanian American by nationality (Palestinian roots, grandparents were kicked out of Yafa, Palestine in 1948). I’ve learnt many details I’ve never heard before from Mr. Pappe. Thank you for mentioning the colonization of Arab world by Europeans to prevent a strong Arab Nation. Also, free Palestine 🇵🇸
As always, a great overview of the history of the Palestinial resistance by Ilan Pappe. His book: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine has been a very difficult but enlightening read for me, especially in light of the current Nakba. I still have a good chunk to go through. Taking a break is essential to keep one's sanity. It is a well-researched book that one can ever find re. the first Nakba and the formation of Israel.
Thank you Mr Pappe for telling the true history of Palestine. It's really giving me hope to see a true Jew like you standing with the truth. As Muslims our problem is not with Jews but with zionists
Thanks for having Pappé on for this interview. Good choice!! He is (imho) right at the apex of historians who have a clear, encyclopedic, compassionate and wise perspective on the Palestinian struggle for freedom. And he knows how to talk about it and engage productively with his conversation partner. This lesson surely deserves many thousands of views! Thank you again to both of you.
Mr Pappe is a scholar I can listen to for hours, and he manages to make me want more. A giant on this subject but, more importantly, an honest and trusted historian. Thank you, sir.
Professor Pappe explained how Palestinians have resisted from early on to the occupation. It's really eye opening to the lies and misunderstanding about the series of the events led to this brutal occupation. We are also very curious about the reason behind antisemitism in Europe that led to the expulsion of Jews. Please invite professor to talk about that events.
The discrimination of Jews began very early in the middle east. Yemen was the first country to introduce the Jewish Star, way before Germany. MARTYRMADE podcast.
I recall hearing when I was young of US and Germany generals having same uncle who they collected much of their lands moneys for ordinance. These funds were used by the influential group needing this established, it seemed for a motion to take place now. Now with the events occurring, I am trying to find better that accounting and have not recovered where I had learned although at the time it seemed well sited though it was some time ago now. I to have been curious for parts of these details and working to better understand. The part of hitter being to some extent a puppet to reach these ends and that millions were not saved to ensure this important chess piece can be present for today's actions, to the extent hitter was acquitted later even by an is council? dang, I am trying to understand better before I can actually try to convey the understanding but it seems there is alot there and at foot now
I need to get Ilan Pappe's books. As a college student I became interested in diving deeper into understanding how my people were ethnically cleansed and through my access to J Store at the time I gained access to various documents and articles not available to the broder public. Much of what I read in those research documents echos what Ilan speaks of here. One of the catastrophic loses for the Palestinian people was Sheik Izz Al Deen Al Qasam, who would have played a crucial role in uniting the people under one banner. His assassination by the British was significant in helping to keep the Palestinians from forming a joint, singular, well organized resistance to the catastrophe that would unfold in 1948.
“Denying people the right of return to their homeland, and at the same time offering this right to others who have no connection to the land, is a model of undemocratic practice.” -Pappe
@@twinklingeyes58Palestinians have even a greater connection to their lands. The Jews that moved there in recent times have no connection to the land of Palestinine
@@twinklingeyes58 Following the Jewish religion does not automatically mean you are from Palestine just because people who happened to share the same religion as you lived there 3000 years ago. Native Americans also have a history and connection to the US, I don't see them slaughtering Americans and expelling them.
Colonialism = the subjugation of others for the express purpose of domination by another. THAT is human history in a nutshell. We have devised no end of mystical, religious, and political mythologies to "paper over", rationalize and excuse that unpleasant reality, and to describe the human species in much nobler terms, but a brief overview of our contemporary world is a physical refutation of that self-aggrandizing mythology. The billions-year-old symbiotic interaction of the natural world stands in stark contrast to humanity's frivolous arrogance. Human Exceptionalism is as poorly founded as racism, misogyny, and the "divine right of kings". As a species, we are "believing" ourselves in to extinction.
wow I agree EVERYTHING you said took the words right out of my my thoughts, belief systems and dogma has kept humanity down and narrow minded for entirely to long . I am passionate about it
Mr Pappe we need you in mainstream media educating Americans and the whole world. Americans never get exposed to the real world and history. If you fit their box you will flourish and if don’t you will end up homeless. This is USA. Palestinian topics is no more a tree hugger or no war topics. This can jeopardise existence of mankind in this world.
MY truth prevail and humanity learns that what we seek is the same in all of us; inner joy and contentment cannot be achieved by out dominance of others
Oslo Accords here and Minsk Agreements in the Ukraine. And the power brokers just don't want to learn their lessons. Because they are not really interested in peace in the world because where would the money come from that they need to stay in power.
A vivid account of the factors driving the present Israel-Palestinian conflict and the fact that Palestinians are the oppressed rather than the oppressors.
There is an urgent need to return this beleaguered world to a state of sanity. Can we watch our self-destruction on the basis of conflicting beliefs and practices when each clan has to observe its own time-honored values that preach respect for mankind. Why the modern civilisation was better than its predecessors is evidently tied up with its awakening to this great reality of keeping this world safe for everyone.
📖📖Keith Whitelam, The Invention of ancient Israel : the silencing of the Palestinian history كيث وايتلام ،اختلاق إسرائيل القديمة : اسكات التاريخ الفلسطيني ،ترجمة سحر الهنيدي ،سلسلة عالم المعرفة
First of all my admiration to Mr Pappe and to the program that is covering very serious analysis on the current topic. But I have a doubt regarding this undermining Palestine forces and it contributed to the Nakba. My question is if the effect was psychological like feeling defeated, or was it directly related to the people that were lost in regards to the lust of thinkers, workers Etc. Or maybe both?
What about after 2000? Also I’m really interested in how Israel managed to set up a collaborative authority in Palestine during the Oslo accords. Have the professor back on to go into more detail and continue the saga please.
Prof. Ilan Pappe way of explanations is similar what happened in Mindanao, Philippines. Because Mindanao is predominantly Muslim who fought the foreign invaders from Spaniards, Japanese, British and American. Settler colonialism was used by the western power.
Very nice and is very valuable to fully and properly confront the concerns of a supposed adversary as he does. But I wonder about "nowhere else to go". As I understand, it wasn't a problem for many jews not to be zionist in the early 20th century at least. And the US was highly pursued - I dont know of any number barrier.
Grateful anytime I see examples of people putting the “ethic before the ethnic” That’s a phrase I first heard from Norman Finklestein , not sure if he was quoting someone else or it’s his own phrase. In any case, we can all learn from this because it feels like there is potential around the globe for more race wars. nationalism is loathsome in any context.
Were all the inhabitants of Palestine before 1948 born in palatine ? And non were migrants from the neighbouring countries that were brought into palatine by the British and ottoman Turks or the Egyptians? If so , would they not be defined as colonial settlers ?? Humanity has to learn to respect the rights of others and specially the rights of the rightful owners of the land. Prayers for peace and peaceful coexistence of all races
Minorities are everywhere at the whim of the majority. Jews brought business to the Levant. Every avenue to getting ahead will be pursued by groups of people. There are various ways of thinking about that reality.
The most rightful thing is a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want. Simple. Very simple. It's not a thousands of years matter. Otherwise, the immigrants who robbed the land should go back to where they came from.
Hello to Dr. Pappe. Your videos are amazing and I highly regard every single one of them. However, one thing I can assure you (referencing the 5:20 min mark of this video) is that the Canadian government, when it comes to the First Nations, Inuit, and Metis IS STILL AT IT AS WELL. It's not as overt, but it is here. Our country's institutions, our political pandering, our educational, police, and justice systems is still entirely infused in a colonial framework and thus it is STILL doing a great deal of harm. Some people here call it institutional racism and it is evident in the marginalization, the abject poverty, and the extremely poor health outcomes of Canada's Indigenous people. Unfortunately, soon as the term Institutional racism is used, the ears and hearts of most mainstream people become closed. They don't want to hear about settler colonialism of the past NOR the subsequent institutional framework that is still here. Sometimes in discussions I wish I had better descriptors to use (because the first thing that happens is people want to debate the validity of these terms). But whatever we want to call this colonial framework, I'd argue it is not only still harming the indigenous people but it is also harming every single person here in Canada. Gang violence, domestic violence, missing and murdered, high employment rates, and much more. Most Canadians seem to be fixated on the high costs of the social programs required to off set the situation. But, the HIGH COSTS of the extra "welfare", police officers, jail guards, social workers, parole officers, and the new and latest "community safety officers" is the LEAST of my concern. We also have uniformed "security officers" popping up at almost every large store or public space. They are everywhere. What worries me, is the WHY that more and more of all of these seem to be needed every year. Not to mention how far too many people are quick to blame the Indigenous people for their "moral failings" or for the "degradation" of society. It makes me quite sad sometimes that people don't see that the key isn't hiring more police officers -- it would simply be to stop the marginalization and racism instead. I don't know. Sometimes I feel crazy. Haha. That was, before I found your videos that is. They are bringing me some peace of mind that perhaps I am not crazy after all. They bring a lot of optimism to me actually. I hope you see this and know that your life's work is, for as frustrating as it sometimes must be, one of the greatest gifts humanity could ever receive. Hope for peace! Thank you.
I would rather listen to an unbiased historian, who recognises the wrong on both (all) sides. Makes no assumptions and starts earlier with the history. Every culture has suffered and atrocious acts are occurring all over the world, even here in the US.
The Ottoman Empire made the Middle East a colony. The British Empire continued after the defeat of the Ottomans, that is, Turkey, in World War I. Jews immigrated to the area as private individuals under the colonial rule of those Empires. When the Brits planned to leave, there was no government to take over, and it was the United Nations that proposed the establishment of two states, one ruled by Arab Palesinians, and a second state ruled by Jewish Palestinians. The Jews agreed to the plan. The Arabs said no and went to full war.
Pappe mentions in passing the unconditional support of imperialism for Israel but doesn’t say why they do this. This is missing in almost all discussions on the topic. Pappe says it was to “solve the Jewish question in Europe”. Really? What of Britain’s calculations of the benefit for its empire in the Middle East. US imperialism’s goals were made plain by Joe Biden made it plain in 1986: “It is time we stopped apologising for our support for Israel. It is the best 3 billion dollar [a year] investment we make. Were there not an Israel the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.” ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FYLNCcLfIkM.html The Middle East has oil and gas reserves, as well as the Suez Canal, is of vital importance. Vietnam was never of geostrategic importance to world capitalism. At 46:00 Pappe says political Islam arose because the “crisis of modernity in the Arab world, the modern secular movement failed to cater for the needs of people, were not about to deliver on their promise of liberation, economic justice and so on. So people were trying something else.” He misses two things. Capitalism could never allow “economic justice” and fundamentalist Islam was supported as useful tool by Zionism and imperialism.
this should inspire us to some sort of activism; anything that is within our means and potential. it can start , i suggest , by supporting the BDS MOVEMENT. BOYCOT
Violence was used by all anti colonial movements yes but how isn’t it violence that the colonizers used to colonize and control? In fact, the anti colonial movements have not used a quarter of the scale of violence that colonizers used to impose their will upon us. Speaking from a colonized perspective. The colonizers should not complain when the colonized resist colonization with violence.
IDF MASSACRED ISRAELIS IN THE KIBBUTZ: Military veteran recounts Israeli helicopter firing missiles in kibbutz Be’eri: Erez Tidhar, a military veteran, recalls a bewildering incident at Kibbutz Be’eri, where an Israeli Apache helicopter was seen firing missiles into the kibbutz. His account details the chaos and confusion among residents, with sightings of tanks driving through and firing into houses. Tidhar likens the scene to a war zone, with families fleeing in terror. This incident has raised significant concerns and questions about the Israeli military’s actions during the conflict. https//www.youtube.com/watch?vs=PFxrl8nUb7Q
📖📖Shlomo SAND, The Invention of the Jewish People /Comment le peuple juif fut inventé 📖The Invention of the land of Israel /Comment la terre d'israël fut inventée
I tried to watch, but he is not impartial in conmentating on historical facts rather he is quite partial and i find promoting erroneous narrative whether intentional or not I dont get. It seems nowadays everyone has agendas.😂😂😂😂
He is twisting the true history. He is systematically and in a subtle ways trying to reinvent a new history for himself and his Jewish people. He is actively omitted hard facts!!
