'A Hope in Hell' Fight Scene | The Sandman 

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Hilarious 😂

“Soul crushing, happiness killing, never ending”

It's lit bro😂

Damn

U should see the Jibril fight in the library in no game no life

Wtf? You gotta be kidding this is the gayest shit ever

Technically not deities… but still cool. If I remember correctly the comic was way different.

It's a turn based rpg😂

Book battle was WAY better , worth checking out .

There's another reason as well. In the DC Comics - which The Sandman is a part of - Lucifer is also described as the Lightbringer, which is another way to say "the bringer of hope." Lucifer can't kill hope because they were meant to bring it to all living beings - hope is just a part of their primordial nature. So Lucifer would not only have to destory their own dreams, but also a part of themself.

it's not just a battle of concepts that kill each other its a battle of wits and one angle is making them use a concept they are opposed to that whittles down their resolve and thus quit the game thus losing.

"The curtain was blue because he was depressed." Neil Gaiman was simply saying that nothing can defeat hope. In the comic Lucifer wasn't even who Dream battled in He'll.

​@@DevilMan88check the credits of the series. Check who wrote it.

​@@TheCursedCat1927reminds me of that tune Lucifer son of the morning I'm gonna chase your dreams away.

But remember they also said its a game of wit so angling Lucifer to become the exact opposite of hope shakes their very foundation and hurts their resolve and their purpose of getting out of hell.

That and hope is intangible, whereas the other methods used were physical.

God I loved this line so much because it's so true. How can you make someone suffer if you don't hold out the dream (and therefore HOPE) of something better over them?

Dead Boy Detectives actually has a character that perfectly encompasses why this works because you can actually earn your way out of Hell

Absolutely butchered in the show.

The Ruler of Hell was it's first prisoner.

And then Lucifer just casually pulls out the thing Darkseid built his entire existence seeking for 😂

Well, Darkseid is nowhere close to Lucifer's level.

The way he said it too Gives me chills every time Superb voice acting

And there shall always be hope. Hope that your account does not veer in the red. Hope that your job offers you a raise to prosper. Hope that your life has a meaningful course. Hope that everything ends as cleanly as possible.

@@TheKueiJin very true!

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Then you should have went into a trade like plumbing, electrician, heating and cooling. Myself I was the explosives engineer in an underground mine making 140000 a year 13 years ago, and 90000 the 10 years before that. I qualified on every job they had and could run any machine. I only had 2 years of college.

@@shanemitchell477 You really can't take a joke can you? I don't have student loan debt.

No this game takes incredible imagination. The comic fleshed it out more.

They're basically gods. Sure they can one-up each other but they experience everything... when Lucifer said he was a nova, Dream literally felt a star exploding in his face....

What stop them from throwing whatever is anti-life at the beginning. Do dream would insta win if he said hope? I think its a stupid way of fighting unless you assume that there are tons of rules behind that are beyond human understanding.

@@ecchiRhino99 hope wouldn't beat a direwolf

​@ecchiRhino99 If Lucifer starts with anti life, then Dream can just continue with the Univers, all live embracing and then beating Lucifer on move 1. And Hope can't defeat a wolf. There's more depth that it appears when you think of it, the only rule being you probably can't repeat something already said, so you need to be careful when to use some concept. Start with death, reply with life and you win since you used death already.

Quite the opposite, that last line by dream was actually Lucifer. The "light bringer" was meant to represent hope and for Lucifer to defeat hope would be for him to admit defeat. So she just refuses to continue playing all together.

@@jonedavila5954 Give him his Helmet!

I think it’s more like lucifer hopes to escape gods prison, so to accept that hope is beatable means to resign to his/her fate.

It works on many levels, it is also the plot of Overture tbh

There was an answer to hope but Dream cornered Lucifer into being unable to say it. What beats hope is Judgement - hope crushing, freedom ending. Lucifer couldn't say that out loud because it would mean that God's judgement of Lucifer successfully crushed all of his hope at being loved again, so he conceded the battle rather than being forced to admit that.

Yes and Lucifer would lose any hope of over throwing god ……or dream of it

you know if dream removes everybody of the dream and hope we would all be straight going to hell and lucifer would have to fight everybody to stay as ruler of hell. that's why Dreams threat was surreal to lucifer.

Destruction, though you don't see much of him, is my favourite

@@Ravenishish Cool choice!

Oh, also, if The Sandman is a hyperfixation, you might want to check out the game/visual novel Harmony: The Fall of Reverie. Heavy Sandman vibes.

@@Ravenishish Ok, I'll check it out!

I don't get this take. If Lucifer says reality, then Lucifer becomes one with creation, is what I would take away from it. And since lucifer is the very symbol of separation from reality (the father of lies) Lucifer would quite litterally sieze to exist and return to (become one with) God. That's why Lucifer won't say it. Not because Lucifer hopes to return to heaven. Lucifer doesn't want to. Lucifer would rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.

@@Animuse883 that’s a interesting take, the reason I still believe reality is the correct answer is the face she made when Morpheus brought up what if nobody could dream about heaven? I think that version of Lucifer, despite knowing what they did, still often dreams about being up in heaven again, maybe not as a servant of God but just being there. When somebody is in jail, even if they run the jail, they will often think about home. If she became reality, that would shatter all the hope she has of returning to heaven, and even for the Devil, that’s the one thing that she has left, the only thing. That’s at least how I look at it, and I see it as something truly special. The way the battle was fought and the way the battle was won. Morpheus, went with the universe and She went with the death with the universe, only thing would to be the concept of hope. ((It’s just my opinion, I watched that fight quite a few times and that’s all I got from it. Not trying to change your mind or saying your view is wrong.))

@@Animuse883no, if lucifer says reality, then he is bound to hell, cus that is his current reality

@@isaac15752 He is bound to hell. That is his current reality. I don't think reality really kills hope in the first place. Hope might not necessarily be at odds with it.

Kudos to Neil Gaiman. Is almost 1:1 from the comics.

Not really... in this game they experience everything the other said. Dream had to be strong enough to survive a nova exploding in his face. However, Lucifer experience hope perhaps for the first time in centuries... and he cannot get destroy that hope because its all he has to escaping Hell

You're wrong terribly wrong

Lucifer hopes to defeat god and gain entry to heaven. All demons hope to leave ever lasting torment and to also make it to heaven. What power does hell have if they cannot dream of hope?

which is all moot when you consider the guy who created the comics also had a VERY heavy hand in the creation of this show. From the people cast in their respective roles, to certain scenes such as this one written specifically by Gaiman himself. People just like to piss and moan about everything on the internet.

You can play the game again, but no one would use the same moves again, because the winner would just follow the same counters to win.

thats a good one ...... ddoubt ? i would have never thought of that

Then Dream could have said "I am certainty, sound, proven, beyond all doubt."

@@Animuse883 "I am despair. Certain only of darkness & the inevitable fall."

@@JeMangeLaPoubelle"I am dark humor, despair releaving, gladness inducing."

​@@JeMangeLaPoubelle"I am Love. All - Enduring. Truth - Exalting. Ever - Patient. Slow to Anger. Kindness - Embracing. Disdaining of Envy. Uncaring of Boast. Greatest of the Three."

"...I am Vengeance. I am the Night. I. Am. Batman!"

No God can kill hope

Honestly, while God and Lucifer are more conventionally powerful than the Endless, even they can't destroy them entirely. God had a 'Dream' and a 'Desire' to create the universe, which led to 'Death', 'Destiny', and 'Destruction'. And Destruction will lead to 'Despair'.

lucifer, cannot kill hope because, killing hope is a hope in itself, therefore its a self afflicting move it cannot do. the last sentence in the video explains, when said if dream has any power in hell

How can that be? When Hope is one third of God?

@@isaac15752 What kills hope? Answer is Determination. Determination in being firm in your purpose and resoluteness regardless of the outcome. Determination erases the reason to even have hope. When you have that you dont need hope. Not needing something means it is nothing. You know what the worst thing in Pandora's box was? It wasn't the sorrows, destruction, wars, or plagues. It was hope itself. Hope's a gamble, Hope lacks certainty, Hope drive people to madness, because you gave up. You have nothing else, no way to fight, or lean on and so hope is the cruelest one of all. We can look in our history and it was determination that made the outcomes. Be it good or bad. Destroying the others person's hope.

I am hope

@@nhyirakev5296 I am Determination. Determination in being firm in my purpose and resoluteness regardless of the outcome. Determination erases the reason to even have hope. When you have that you do not need hope. Not needing something means it is nothing.

I would say doubt destroys faith but not hope. Doubt destroys the expectation of action without evidence, but hope is something more. Hope is the soil from which faith blooms. But your thought does start to just scratch the surface of a really interesting meta discussion on the meanings of hope and faith and where the bright line between them lies. Though at the end of the day, that is mostly a personal question of oppinion rather than objective fact.

U just answered it! Back to hope...the straight jacket in the story of life! Hopelessness arrives. Despair is in the house!

@WallySoto-yi8fz, So let's look at that response from both inside and outside the work. On a diagetic level, I feel that wouldn't work because you'd be embodying one of the 6 eternals, which I don't believe is something that can be done. If it were possible to invoke one of the eternals, one or the other would have simply said "I am death" and it likely would have been Dream and it would have really pissed off his sister. On a meta-textual level, what does that response from Lucifer illustrate? Does it inform us that even Morningstar, the one that rebelled, the one that hoped to change things, believes redemption, forgiveness, or change is impossible? Does it mean that Lucifers' greatest tool, the manipulating the hopes of others, becomes fully useless. Or does that response "I am hopelessness" simply ensure mutual annihilation for both Lucifer and Dream?

Lucifer most likely knew the answer to counter Dream's "Hope" but, in doing that they would destroy their own hopes of one day returning to Heaven.

@Soto- I agree with your statement, and I think you need to look beyond the personal, to a systemic level also. That same statement is applicable to any system that Lucifer uses to keep the devils of hell marching under their banner. Without hope, Lucifer loses not only their personal motivation for war against heaven but also the power structure Lucifer uses to maintain control over their subordinates. Why should any devil in hell believe anything Lucifer says if they don't have hope that rallying under the Morningstar will get them the thing the devil wants or feels they deserve.

Kinda of a handicap going against a dream

I hope not

Oh, that's a good one. Someone said reality earlier but I like this one better.

@@matthewallen2273 is it though? What kills doubt then? Certainty? Proof? The whole spiritual combat of these eternals identifying as different things inevitably becomes a circular mess. Hope could also be said to withstand doubt. "I doubt we will make it, but I hope I am wrong"...