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In this video we will be having a closer look at the Carvera CNC machine. I initially got interested in it because the makers of the CNC claimed that it is perfect for milling PCBs at home. So I obviously had to check it out ;-) So this video is kind of like a review in which I show you all the good and bad things about the Carvera and ultimately show you whether it is truly capable of making PCBs at home. Let's get started!
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0:00 Why Carvera CNC Machine?
1:30 Intro
2:17 Unboxing
3:47 First Power Up & Problems
5:35 Testing the Example Projects
7:37 BIG PROBLEM: Missing Software
8:16 PCB Milling
11:23 Verdict

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@kwaaaa Год назад

I found it to be very reliable to use the laser to etch PCBs instead of trying to route them. I spray a coat of black enamel spray paint. Laser etch the circuit, then into copper etchant like the usual method. I use a cheap 200 dollar solid state laser.

@greatscottlab Год назад

Good idea :-)

@rpavlik1 Год назад

Yeah I was wondering if some kind of laser or optical process would give better results, though I guess if you're drilling at all you'd have more tool offsets to worry about.

@DiaconescuAlexandru2024 Год назад

As an eastern european "cheap" and "200 dollars" don't mix too well for me 😅

@skylerlehmkuhl135 Год назад

@@DiaconescuAlexandru2024 It's cheap compared to the multiple thousands of dollars that many lasers cost.

@DiaconescuAlexandru2024 Год назад

@@skylerlehmkuhl135 oh

@larrybud Год назад

The whole point of doing DIY PCBs is that you're done in a couple of hours, rather than waiting a month from China. You can do iteration after iteration. Then once you get it right, you order from the cheap chinese companies.

@greatscottlab Год назад

That is correct :-)

@1014p Год назад

Sure if your cool with giving away your work. Surely your aware China takes copies of everything sent to built there for technology.

@larrybud Год назад

@@1014p I would never send anything there to rando PCB companies if I was designing something for sale, but like it or not, nearly everything which you want assembled for cheap would have to be sent there anyway.

@atomicskull6405 Год назад

It doesn't take a month for JLPCB maybe 2 weeks tops. It literally took longer for me to receive PCBs from OSHpark located in the US than it did from from JLPCB. I will say that OSHPark's silkscreen is amazing and the cheap silkscreen option at JLPCB doesn't do a great job with fine detail graphics but it's not a big deal and works perfectly fine for footprints.

@larrybud Год назад

@@atomicskull6405 I ordered something from jlcpcb just the other day and lead time was 28 days. Probably has to do with location (I'm in the US). Even if it took 2 weeks, that's 2 weeks vs 2 hours.

@deldarel Год назад

What a prototyping powerhouse! If I'd just do pcb's I'd probably keep looking, but if I needed a whole suite, I'd go with this! This and a 3D printer could make anything.

@steveroberts1861 Год назад

That's a nice unit. A good review also. I use a cheap CNC for PCBs if I want one and also only single sided. I've learnt lots of techniques to make the cutting work well. I use Diptrace to design my boards. From there I use bitmaps for the track exports into Vectric 2D and then out to Mach3 for the cutting. I have made dozens of boards this way. Works a treat.

@mojiburrahman3956 Год назад

7days ago?

@cuf_ Год назад

@@mojiburrahman3956 WHATTT

@masjonik Год назад

@@mojiburrahman3956 patreon

@chitlitlah Год назад

@@mojiburrahman3956 Black magic

@greatscottlab Год назад

@@mojiburrahman3956 Yes Patreon 🙂

@AlbertScoot Год назад

I am honestly impressed by this machine. I worked as a professional cnc CAM, CAD, 3D Modeling and 6 Axis CNC machinist for years but what I really want is a small tabletop machine that can do everything you've laid out in this video. I am 95% there to just ordering one of these.

@jerrykrovichdrvlof1362 Год назад

Honestly the software missing is more a pro than a con for me, because it means you can use absolutely any program. Having a propietary software could be the start of limiting the machine to operate exclusively with their software so you end up forcefully relying on them rather than just searching for other program to run, like already happens with some 3D printers

@hunam1464 Год назад

So long as they let you use any program and those options are available. Otherwise, you have a very expensive brick.

@RicoElectrico Год назад

*cough* ChiTuBox *cough*

@jimb032 Год назад

Yes, and then tomorrow when they stop making it, lose interest, or go under you own a $4000 brick. I def agree on this.

@DFX2KX Год назад

I see your point, but there is value in having software that's bespoke to the machine from an end-user standpoint. It just *works* out of the box. Though I also feel it should allow G-code from any source provided it's set up for the machine.

@ccricers Год назад

Yeah, I've seen the downfall of many Kickstarter 3D printers by up-and-coming companies, being that they use proprietary software. They might look slick and professional on the outside but trade away a lot of practicality.

@derekdeclercq Год назад

Very nice. I would suggest having a look at FlatCAM for milling, especially 2 sided PCBs. Works really well and was able to get all the holes to line up etc on a 2 sided PCB as well. Best of all its free

@MSP_TechLab Год назад

However, it is still beta and has some glitches from time to time. But it seems there is no anything better in open-source.

@derekdeclercq Год назад

@@MSP_TechLab yes it is , their motto is beta is always better 🤣🤣 The UI is pretty buggy to be honest, but the functionality works great for me, helps flip the gerber files around for milling the back side, even flip the holes around too so I can drill them last. Needs a bit of getting used to and not perfect, but works for me

@SeanChYT Год назад

I enjoyed the fact that this particular video was sponsored by JLCPCB.

@noweare1 3 месяца назад

ha, ha

@nigmaxus Год назад

This is a desktop mill. The build size is fine. The cost is less than Batam mill and unlike the Carvera they don’t have ATC.

@Allantv33 Год назад

I've been watching your videos for years but honesty my observation is that newer videos are not all that engaging than older videos. But all in all I appreciate your great work sir.🙏

@JonathanDeWitt1988 Год назад

Thank you Scott for taking the time and effort to look for these potential homemade solutions to making PCBs. I am hoping that as the technology develops something like the PCB maker you reviewed a couple of years back may improve and come down in price. $4700 (before tax and shipping) isn't exactly something a hobbyist can shell out. I'm hoping that it is just like 3D printers and the price will come down. I hope you keep looking for a good solution. I wonder if you might consider checking out a laser etched version like kwa mentioned in his comment below.

@cryptonitor9855 Год назад

The more I check it out the better it seems! Amazeballs xD Brilliant piece of tech. Need to have this. Make absolutely anything

@3v068 Год назад

This sponsor or review video, is really nice. Its not perfect, but it had a lot of qualities that you really liked and could make good use of. Im excited to see the new projects you make with it! EDIT: It is a review.

@relativisticvel Год назад

This looks like a fantastic option for prototyping, combined with sending out for final product.

@greatscottlab Год назад

I think so too ;-) Still some software limitations but that will hopefully get fixed soon :-)

@brianwood5220 Год назад

Looks very nice, I hope you get the issues ironed out. Thanks for sharing.

@Electrically-Electronic Год назад

I just appreciate the hard work you put in for us. Good video concept 👌. I love it.

@greatscottlab Год назад

Thank you so much 😀

@RoboticsCNC Год назад

I was getting reasonable results with a modified 3040 and FlatCAM (double sided). This was down to SOIC without any levelling which is all I needed at the time. Though cheap boards and cheap cutters I found could tear out the surface material. I should retry now with my even more modded machine and sw levelling to see how well I can get down to TQFP64 :) Nice video, so hard to try to cover so many aspects in such a short time!

@neomage2021 Год назад

I have a Carvera. Was backer number 6. Love it, haven't done much pcb milling but it works when Im testinh things and dont want to wait a few days for a pcb, Also great for aluminum milling.

@steve6969so Год назад

Awesome and thoughtful review

@AlexIstEinGott Год назад

I made a simple PCB for a passive crossover for a speaker im Building. Carved along the traces with a 90° v-bit and then added solder to the traces so they can handle more power.

@3dw3dw Год назад

That is amazing! Love it!

@paulsengupta971 Год назад

That looks incredible! I wish I had the space for one and the time and imagination to come up with projects for it.

@JEDiGamer007 Год назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="530">8:50</a> This must be the perfect RU-vid video, you used all three of your sponsors together!

@GaryMcKinnonUFO Год назад

I like the new intro :) Thanks for showing us the machine.

@tr3kn3rd Год назад

Honestly watching this reminds me of how I used to proto boards and I don't miss it! Very grateful for overseas PCB houses being so cheap we don't have to deal with this anymore.

@ashkansheikhi4420 Год назад

wow nice video thanks Scott your the best

@144ivo6 Год назад

thank you from Morocco i learned lot of things from you and electro boom channels

@greatscottlab Год назад

Thanks for watching :-)

@zincfive Год назад

Very interesting, thanks for the good content...

@IustinianP Год назад

You certainly cannot beat professional manufacturing with any diy/homemade machines/pcb's. That's my point,and I do not wanna argue with anybody.

@beasthunter7480 Год назад

I’m a machinist and I would really love to have a mill like this and the laser with it is really an awesome addition.

@Emulation_Inflation Год назад

Nice! Your gonna be unstoppable!

@libervolucion Год назад

Thank you for sharing

@okithdesilva129 Год назад

Thank you so much for this video!

@greatscottlab Год назад

You are welcome :-)

@Tomas_Prucha Год назад

Great video as always!

@greatscottlab Год назад

Thanks :-)

@ermakers1297 Год назад

That UV exposure solder mask can be used with an additional mask that you print on a transparency film and lay over the circuit so you can prevent the UV exposure to the areas you want exposed pads. The unexposed mask can then be removed with solvents (acetone I think?) and the pads exposed without the additional milling operation. The Carvera is expensive but is already a LOT cheaper than a comparable machine that has been on the market for a few years. I worked with the LPKF circuit board CNC for a while and those are a $30-60k machine. I went through the additional training classes they offered and still had issues with damage due to tool changer issues. It did produce nice boards when working right and it had decent software with good support so there is that.

@reedreamer9518 Год назад

I just bought $100 worth of supplies for thermal toner transfer and ferric chloride etching. I'm still using EasyEDA to design and print the patterns to paper, but now I can produce the final PCB's myself in about an hour with drilling and via's. I used to be a CNC programmer while working through collage and would love to have a nice mill, but I'll still be doing the toner transfer method for my PCB projects. Why - because once you get the hang to it - it works! I'd say it's better then using a CNC, no matter how much they try to perfect it.

@dutchsailor6620 Месяц назад

Use a 3d resin printer with UV sensitive pcb material.

@flomojo2u Год назад

I've had great results from a generic "3040" ballscrew CNC that I've upgraded in three ways: 1) I replaced the odd spindle motor they provided with a high-quality 24000 RPM 3-phase spindle. 2) I swapped out the stock steppers and moved to closed-loop stepper/servos. 3) I added a probe input so I can capture a height map of the board before I ever cut it. Oh, and I chucked the printer-port stepper driver and went with a GRBLHAL networked controller that supports a ton of I/O and 5 axis. Anyway, the results are amazingly good, and definitely solid for creating your own boards, though obviously it's not going to add vias for you.

@okithdesilva129 Год назад

Like I always say, DIY is always fun and the best in some occasions!

@greatscottlab Год назад

Haha yes. Definitely useable in certain applications.

@okithdesilva129 Год назад

@@greatscottlab Yes!

@_BangDroid_ Год назад

I had a question about the tool clamp size and type but found the answer on their site, so I'll leave the info here. Comes with 1/8" spindle collet, 4mm, 6mm and 1/4" also available separately. The wireless probe tail shaft can be changed to suite the different sizes.

@Nineteen693 Год назад

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@unknownhacker50502p Год назад

your video is so good and educational..love from bangladesh..

@greatscottlab Год назад

Thank you so much 😀

@Aoi-lol Год назад

that's so cool, and i love your videos 🎀

@greatscottlab Год назад

Thanks :-)

@DJlegionuk Год назад

I have a Workbee CNC and it was bought mainly for PCB prototypes. Just like you have said the software side is still very much work things out for your self and far from perfect. I can use it with decent results including double side and have made a few prototypes before sending away for pro boards to be made. This machine looks good and the tool change will save a lot of time.

@stevebabiak6997 Год назад

For double sided, I imagine the “registration marks” (or zero X and Y starting positions) when flipping over must be near perfect. And the drilling of holes has to hit as close to dead center as possible.

@DJlegionuk Год назад

@@stevebabiak6997 Depending on the complexity of the design yes it can be a problem to get it perfect. I use flatcam and it has a way to do it, but if you don't do it in the correct order everything will be wrong. It was a good 6 months of messing about before I had a good process to make boards.

@domasgrigaliunas7936 Год назад

Very informal video thanks (:

@greatscottlab Год назад

Glad it was helpful!

@jessyltr581 Год назад

Awesome intro my dude :)

@NavySturmGewehr Год назад

I recently got my first boards from JLC pcb and they worked great despite my questionable design!

@greatscottlab Год назад

Great to hear!

@gf2e Год назад

My last design from JLC was almost perfect except that - yet again - some of my holes were a bit too small. They fit each pin just fine but the ESP32 dev board has slightly angled headers already installed. The holes are just small enough that it’s really hard to get them installed :) That’s one thing that I’d like about making them at home. I can fix mistakes more quickly.

@TWFactory Год назад

For soldermask you can use silkscreen screen. And for better solderability i use cold tinning ^^. And for the vias there are rivets :)

@HotNoob Год назад

this looks awesome. can't wait for this level of machine to get cheaper! :D

@abedalkareemalmansour2578 Год назад

Very good 👍

@greatscottlab Год назад

Thank you 👍

@elninonitro Год назад

A good alternative to coppercam is flatcam. I use it exclusively now when making prototype boards.

@rbmwiv Год назад

Jlpcb is pretty awesome. I had a project that needed some custom pwm controllers. So I ordered the minimum amount of boards so I have 4 of those boards in a drawer that will probably never be used again. But I always save stuff because you never know when something will break. My philosophy is to keep spares around if you can. I can’t count the number of times I’ve saved the day because I healed on to a extra component for 15 years and they were no longer available and would have required a lot of work to integrate a newer version of the item into the system and sometimes it is almost impossible to integrate the new part.

@AaronALAI Год назад

Wow, very cool. I think your review was good, I'm interested in getting one of these, I that's a lot of functionality for the price point. I could work around the issues while they polish everything up.

@greatscottlab Год назад

Glad it was helpful!

@BeaulieuTodd Год назад

That machine looks awesome! I’ll bet they resolve those issues with firmware or software updates.

@nadooalaa1675 Год назад

Your videos are great as always and in fact I have to thank you for your videos . They really helped me in my school project that is about 20%from my total grade and without your videos I don't think I would be able to make it. It was a small robot that measures the effects of climate change 🙂

@greatscottlab Год назад

That's great!

@asseenontv247 Год назад

Great video! I love seeing reviews on these types of products. I would have liked more coverage on the safety features they have or haven't included for the laser engraving feature. Since they have it fully enclosed, they could have some sort of vapor filtration system, but that wasn't mentioned, so I'm not sure. I would also be curious if the lid material is rated for the frequency of their laser. There are a lot of companies adding laser engraving features to their products, but most of the time they fail to adequately account for the required safety features and I think that needs to be called out any time a review is done.

@JoranGroothengel Год назад

Looking at the website for the Carvera, it doesn't seem to have a separate system to control laser fumes, like a fan with exhaust tube or carbon filter to create underpressure in the enclosure. The dust extraction system seems to also really be just dust extraction, no carbon filter. However, with how well the enclosure seems to close that should be quite easy to fix, either add a hole with filter or exhaust tube, or even just slap a fan with a carbon filter in there to just circulate the air within the enclosure and wait a few minutes before opening it after a job finishes. Regarding laser frequency, they sell a separate 'laser protective cover', which replaces the plexiglas cover with a solid lid with a small window in it. So the plexiglass probably isn't laser-proof. It does come with presumably proper laser goggles, but they're just the kind that's a shop safety goggle with a laser filter, not like the diving-goggle type. I'd say it's not great, but by a long shot also not the worst for laser safety. The price and complexity is a safety barrier all in its own probably, a lot better than a €300 laser engraver from aliex without any enclosure and with questionable safety goggles, and probably not even an e-stop.

@dylanplanche5873 Год назад

use neutral oil for milling pcb, the result is perfect and more accurate :) i have a cheap cnc like 3018 and it works perfectly, and i love your channel !

@Purple431 Год назад

Thanks to you, I have made a functional plasma ball based off a 555 timer and mosfet! It really works well and I have it powered up at the moment and it's barely even hot and I hope it doesn't blow up sometime soon. Thank you for all of your electronics basics and project videos! -Jon.

@greatscottlab Год назад

Fantastic!

@Purple431 Год назад

Thanks

@Equality7-2521 Год назад

I built a rotary mill from scratch using Linux CNC on a PC I found on a rubbish dump(plus about $400 dollars in hardware). The reason I comment here about it, is that I use the Nefertiti bust, as you displayed, to test and tune the machine.

@bytesizedengineering Год назад

Did you try flatcam for generating PCB gcode?

@romyaz1713 Год назад

perfect machine is a dream. the reality is that PCB manufacturing is a constantly evolving process with a lot of people constantly tweaking it to overcome different shortcomings stemming from software, mechanics and chemistry. this is why you should really rely on a manufacturer for any serious work

@CharlesVanNoland Год назад

A 4th axis and auto tool changer are super awesome.

@doxielain2231 Год назад

It's one thing to get good results from an example that has all the speeds and feeds set from you, it's another thing for the learning curve of figuring that all out for yourself. So I view your "I made this from scratch" a much more valid review.

@saryus Год назад

Sounds like a good toll for rapid prototyping. If you have an finished Design, I would go with an professionel Producer like JLC. But during the Designphase there you have to: Try, fail and repeat until it works. Sunch an CNC sounds like an good option for multiple iterations.

@ColinTimmins Год назад

Good for catching the little mistakes. We all make them, but having to modify and/or toss out a stack of PBCs because of a small mistake that you could have caught with a quick prototype, isn't good.

@magic.marmot Год назад

Love the automatic tool changer. This is something I'd love to have, but I can't quite justify yet. I'm still trying to justify my laser cutter/engraver. :)

@brookshartsock4950 Год назад

Great video! I would be interested to see your take on self-soldering circuits. Seen a few videos recently and I think it appears to be very promising tech for circuits with SMDs.

@Graham_Wideman Год назад

If by "self-soldering" you mean that the board has a built-in heater traces, then yes, it can work, but it's more of a party stunt than a way for you to avoid just using one or another straightforward method of soldering SMD components. If you're just getting started and are apprehensive about the process -- it's not actually that hard to solder components down to 0603 by hand with a soldering iron and fine-ish solder and flux pen, if you have good visibility (like a good magnifier or microscope). But it's also easy to use paste (if you get a stencil with the PCB, and even if not), and then place all the components by hand (again, magnifier/microscope), and then use some simple heating device like an old hot plate or electric frying pan, watching the solder melt by eye. That's way easier than using a layer of the board for the heater, which may or may not heat evenly, plus additional circuitry, plus you have to use low-temp solder because if you heat the PCB layer hot enough to melt ordinary solder you will burn the board.

@treelineresearch3387 Год назад

@@Graham_Wideman I use low-temp paste (Sn42/Bi57/Ag1, mp=137C) with a stencil for my prototypes and reflow with a heat gun, it's about as easy as it gets for low to medium density designs. Mechanical performance (barring the lower melting point) is fine, I've had a dead board on my keychain for years and the component packages are wearing away faster than the solder.

@Graham_Wideman Год назад

@@treelineresearch3387 Yes I agree. You are adding to my point that there are multiple easy ways to go, and not to be apprehensive about SMD soldering.

@gregebert5544 Год назад

Plated-thru holes, finish (HASL or ENIG), and solder-mask are must-haves for me. I can buy a LOT of top-quality PCBs from OSH-Park or PCBway for much less than the cost of a PCB milling machine.

@davidparrish1133 Год назад

I worked as a biomedical engineer back in the 80's and I'd setup a system that did something similar. And boy, it was a booger to use. The mill was ok in the x & y axis, but z depth was controlled by a solenoid and thumb screw. The PCB had to be perfectly flat, or else. And, as far as I knew, router bits that small weren't available. A conductive ink was applied to the thru holes, then copper was plated to the boards in a plating machine . (Keeping the chemistry right was also a pain.) Then photo resist was hot rolled on from a carrier film, followed by normal photo resist procedures. Took me many weeks to get the procedures down, and in the end, we never really used the system. Better than running a test scoring scanner when I first started working, though.

@muralimech45 Год назад

Nice job

@greatscottlab Год назад

Thanks!

@cryptonitor9855 Год назад

hohohoho omg nice! Might be the best desktop machine besides AdditiveProductionMachines. Very impressive. So complete

@XxwkatsxX Год назад

I use FlatCam with my cheap CNC and it's pretty awesome

@thoxin942 Год назад

Would love to see you try out the lumen pnp kit and review the open pnp project next.

@DoctorX17 Год назад

Looks like a nice machine, but those scratches would have upset me greatly if I had purchased it. Particularly on the cover! Could you do testing on different PCB fabrication techniques, like professional from JLCPCB vs. CNC milled vs. DIY chemically etched?

@greatscottlab Год назад

I can put it on my to do list

@Subgunman Год назад

Looks interesting! What was delivery time on the unit and how much did customs extort from you to get it to your door?

@iceboundflame Год назад

looks like an awesome machine. How is it with different materials, e.g. milling metal parts?

@user-gs5lc4gh7y Год назад

It would be interesting to see all kinds of different pcb manufacturing technologies (classic, flexible, etc.) from you. Yes we can pay somebody to make a pcb, but wouldn't it be great to produce it themselves?

@greatscottlab Год назад

I will see what I can do :-)

@grosses_wassertier666 Год назад

@@greatscottlab :^)

@brandontechnerd Год назад

But wouldn't that be disrespecting the all-mighty JLCPCB?

@KonradTheWizzard Год назад

@@brandontechnerd Of course! You would be straying from the PCBway into the savannah where a wild Aisler could bite you in the ankle!

@bashaaksema94 Год назад

That looks like a usefull machine :)

@greatscottlab Год назад

It is!

@FlammableElectronics Год назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="251">4:11</a> Oh my god, cases with slanted io Or usb ports gives me nightmates. I had a case that was like this and my 40euro usb headphones kept breaking, I have spent 120 euros on many headphones and even the 3.5mm jack ones have the jack have a loose wires bcs of gravity making it slant and my usb headphones had the DAC in the usb itself as a board, the usb kept ripping off the boards WITH THE SOLDER PADS so I couldn't repair it. Seeing you use a pc case with slanted I/O gave me nostalgia

@MrBaconinabun Год назад

would love a shot of it, but far above my humble price point

@petersage5157 Год назад

How would you compare the experience of milling a PCB to etching? I found the photoresist process to be painless and reliable in the past.

@ColinTimmins Год назад

I'm thinking about doing my own stuff so I'm thinking about some tools I can use to advance what I can do. So I am looking for ideas and machines like this. =]

@zolatanaffa87 Год назад

Definitely the features are paid for, they are certainly very useful and I would say that if it arrived better packaged it would be a good thing. Like any complex machine, there are always adjustments to be made during installation. Surely it is a nice top of the range, I dare say for semi-professional use, the hobbyist will hardly be willing to spend that amount to use it "three times a year" in all cases the range of accessories seems well developed even if the $ 299 for the PCB kit it seems to me a further increase in costs. In the images I saw that the virgin copper plates due to their elasticity risk rising, to solve the problem you could try with double adhesive tape between the pcb and the work surface. One thing to rationalize to reduce the movement of the spindle could be the zeroing of the height which could be done near the tool holder and not at the other end of the work plane, possibly if the zeroing did not concern only the Z axis it could be it is useful to place the tool holder to the left of the work surface. I see you soon!

@greatscottlab Год назад

Thanks for the feedback :-)

@fatH2591 Год назад

Is it possible to control that CNC with Candle? You could try using FlatCAM + Candle for the PCB stuff. It actually works really well.

@AseGarcia Год назад

To prepare GRBL to GCODE PCBs I use Flatcam Beta 8.994, it is the absolute best software for that purposes and there are tons of videos on YT about how to use it. (it's a bit tricky to find the beta but not impossible)

@guillermoascolani2041 Год назад

You should try FlatCAM to process the gerber files into GCODE. The program is a bit unstable, but it has a lot of tools that allow you to get your job properly done. I recommend watching a few tutorials first, because the program may not be that intuitive at first use.

@scaytrase Год назад

consider using flatcam for gerbers. it's not really advancing anywhere now, but current state is very capable for making pcbs

@AWNHACKS Год назад

Bro is there any manufacturers that make custom lcd displays (purpose : for customizing motorcycle speedometer) cheap like jlcpcb ? Thanks for your videos

@manecolooper Год назад

4000 is insane, considering the results...it is still wiser to continue using JLCPCB , i can wait

@BeefIngot 4 месяца назад

Only if you ignore the other functions

@eightsprites Год назад

For a company its not to expensive. But for home use I don’t think the market will be that large. Really cool machine anyway.

@greatscottlab Год назад

Thanks for the feedback. Good assessment. I think so too ;-)

@EgonSorensen Год назад

If you 'just' want to make a PCB, try use a resin printer (without the VAT but with a photo resist coated pcb) as the printer provides the UV source, and the LCD can generate the required pattern. Expose the layout as layer 0 for the required time, develop and etch 'as usual'

@gf2e Год назад

Wow! That sounds great! I feel silly for having not thought of that…I keep looking every so often to see if there’s a cheap and easy way to do this. Transparencies and a UV table seem to require careful choices of materials and stuff that I’m afraid I will have to keep constantly experimenting with to get right.

@treelineresearch3387 Год назад

Only downside is that one 100mm^2 piece of presensitized copper clad is probably going to cost more than 5 copies of a 100mm^2 from JLC or PCBWay, including shipping.

@EgonSorensen Год назад

@@treelineresearch3387 You could be right - I don't know current prices, but I know this: - It is possible to get appliable photoresist, either in a spray bottle or as a film you apply. Great if you have a stack of bare Cu boards. - It is faster than waiting for a PCB manufacturer to produce and shipping time can be *long* especially if you're in a rush - You keep your design private

@treelineresearch3387 Год назад

@@EgonSorensen Yeah I can see corporations/consultancies wanting to keep stuff in-house for quicker turnaround and higher security, but just not really a concern for me most of the time, especially given how much postprocessing a fab-at-home board already requires even with presensitized stock (bonding vias, solder mask, etc). Corporate also has different demands and much bigger budgets for materials, dedicated wet/dry lab space, and tooling, than I do so the equation is pretty different.

@EgonSorensen Год назад

@@treelineresearch3387 I see two versions of a product: Prototype and Production. Imho a prototype rarely needs soldermask, but it can also be applied using the resin printer - some experimentation may be needed, esp. if working with 01005's ;ø) Via's can be easily made with rivets, if a double sided board. 2+ layered isn't a DIY project usually, unless you want to do your own multi-layered 2-layer 0.8mm's + more experimentation, gluing, etc. Prototypes are excellent for concepts, or *very* small batch jobs. For everything else, yes - it does not make sense to make pcb's at home any more. Etchants, developer and soldermask can/could be obtained for relatively low amounts of money - and stores for a while. Also doing it at home could save on import charges and fees. Having the post office/courier (read: required) doing customs clearance often adds a substantial amount of money onto the price of the PCB's - depending on where you live.

@CharlesVanNoland Год назад

I've been developing CAM software designed primarily for CNC art/signmaking/engravings, and it works fine for PCB milling if you have a good file format that can be loaded in (i.e. images, vectors). It's called PixelCNC. It's still in beta and right now I'm working on a built-in tutorial system. If you have any suggestions for tutorials or need help with anything shoot an email to us.

@jasonmhite Год назад

Wow, $4000 is a lot of money but this machine still looks like it's a bargain considering all the features you get.

@greatscottlab Год назад

Ok, thanks for the feedback. Interesting opinions in the comment section :-)

@kongpanha1816 Год назад

Hi GreateScott, that's a nice project, so would you make a Head-up display like cockpit. i am waiting you. thanks

@curtkeisler7623 Год назад

JLCPCB wait time for me in Charleston South Carolina in the United States is now over three weeks and I still haven't received the package using the ground shipping. What they don't tell you is that if you want it super fast you're going to pay 30 or $40 more for the shipping. So it's more expensive than they lead you to believe.

@brettfo Год назад

It's possible to get a much better finish with the soldermask using a different technique to apply the soldermask paint.

@blazetechstuff Год назад

I believe since there is already a lot of pcb manufacturing infrastructure, such machines might not catch on so quick. 3d printers are ok, but this kind of machine is way too expensive for the normal consumer. like we know, pcbs are really cheap to get made. How often would you use this machine? Enough in your life time to make the money back vs using a printing company?

@greatscottlab Год назад

All good questions. Depends on the user I guess. I doubt that the machine would be financially worth it for me.

@SergioEduP Год назад

@@greatscottlab I don't think most people that buy this machine want it specifically for PCB milling, that is more of a bonus to all the other functions, to me it feels more like a general prototyping machine.

@NH4x4Jeep Год назад

If all you need is a one-off or time sensitive board, pcb mills work great. Leveling is CRUCIAL since the cuts are do thin. This looks like a dream, but way outside my budget! In reality, you can get a decent milling machine for kess than $150. You can even add a laser to most of them for a cost proportional to the wattage of the laser.

@wizrom3046 Год назад

When clamping thin flexible stock like PCBs, don't have your clamps at an angle like you did in the video. That warps the stock! Instead, put some packing under the FAR end of the clamp, slightly thicker than the pcb. Now the clamp will only apply downward clamping force at its inside edge and your PCB will be pressed downward and held neatly without mashing and warping it.

@nidalhanbali312 Год назад

Thank you, I have two questions first when driiling the PCB,There is a metal base under PCB,will not broken as will touch the metal PCB,Second qustion are there protection from laser.Thanks

@joshcollins-oe5bk Год назад

I use bantam tools cnc for milling pcb's and am able to do double sided PCBs with around the same quality as this. The only downside is they don't have a way to create a height map. Other than that it is very easy to use.

@TheRainHarvester Год назад

Is height map the same as auto levelling?

@daxmakes Год назад

I noticed some of your workpieces weren't sitting flat. Take the L-shaped aluminium bracket, turn it upside down and mill a small relief (~1.8mm) to the inside edge. This way you can use it to hold down your workpiece on the bottom and left sides.