A Moped Gang Tried To Steal Our £5000 Bikes - The Wild Ones Podcast Ep. 13 

Jimmi, the Range Rover driver who nearly skimmed my elbow on 38CM drop bars, isn't gonna give me a wide berth if I have to pay £1 a year VED, insurance, display registration and have a speedometer. He's gonna do the same thing because some people are murderous drivers.

“All words are noises, if you say them” - Francis Cade

Now, come on guys! GCN has brought so much bike content and races available to us, the masses. It is amazing and helped cycling. And they have great commentators, they keep it fun, etc. I've followed you guys, Francis, Julliet, some other riders and GCN for years. All of you have shared with the world all the fun of cycling!

I feel like the Shimano 105 mechanical is for people want a higher end bike but refuse to go electric (repairability or so)

Yet another great episode. I want to point out that you totally nailed the audio, job well done!

This episode was super polished (lighting, production, sound) Loads better than earlier ones. Nice one guys and Emily behind the scenes I'm guessing!

Glad you are both okay after the attempted robbery. As an ex-detective in London, can I tell you, please be careful. Clearly these two idiots aren’t very adept, but if you are unfortunately faced with this again, and there is a weapon shown or intimated, just give them what they demand. More experienced wrong ‘uns will not hesitate to use it, believe me. Bikes are replaceable. You’re not. Best wishes to you both 😊

"All words are noises" you're so wise Francis 😅

Regarding the speed topic - I think the important thing to consider is the braking distance at a certain speed as well as the potential impact area. On a bike I can slow down or stop in a relatively short distance and swerving a bit to the side likely avoids a collision, a 2m+ wide car not so much. Also, as a cyclist I can be incredibly aware of my surroundings, in a sound-proofed metal box not so much.

‘Get a selfie with him. Get the thumbnail’ genuinely made me LOL! 😂 Glad you got away from that situation unscathed though.

This setup looks so much better and organic to yall personalities. And the audio is mwah

Commenting again to say I have the Ribble Ultra SL R with those crazy aero handlebars and I still love it! The turn blockers take some getting used to but many aero bikes are doing this now, especially with one piece bar and stems. The grippy coating on the drops is sufficient for me and I like the clean look of no bar tape!

I got a new Ribble a few weeks ago, £800 for a full carbon frame with Tiagra. Banging value for money and it rides gorgeous

Was just waiting for GCN to pop up in underrated overrated 😂 Racing coverage is amazing, I also love their travel videos as well as weird races (Dr. Bridgewood racing 1000km, for example), great content. However, some stuff has just been recycled so damn much like "how to clean your bike" being reuploaded anytime a company sponsors them a pressure washer. Generally enjoy most of their content for whom it is aimed at.

Great sound with the new condenser mics, especially with the studio setting guys!

Nice another podcast, I've been watching one per day this week. Studio's still missing a wacky waving inflatable tube man (and his fan, and a chance to make a Fantani pun)

Thanks for the tip about the knobbers on the mopeds. I was out there last weekend.

Ref GCN road racing news/ highlight reel commentaries etc, nothing on YT comes close to Lanterne Rouge. I didn't even follow road bike racing stuff until i discovered his channel. Superb.

Hey guys, love the videos. Just out of interest, what watches are you guys wearing? Not too sure on Jimmi’s strap colour choice but the watch itself looks mint 👍🏻

Going out of the studio is sooo much better. The set breaths a lot more and gives a nice backdrop. Soundquality went up by a ton as well. Sucks to have invested in the studio I imagine, but it's so much better out of it!

Great podcast this one! Panda pops caught me off guard 😂, no idea how you guys had such a serious chat without breaking face. I love panda pops, red one was the bee's knees! Do it Francis 🙏!

The speed limits also means that a car is expecting someone coming along the road to be going the speed limit. So if they pull out and you're going a lot faster than they expect it could end badly for the cyclist

I've got a prescription set of Oakleys and they work quite well for me but maybe that's because my eyesight hasn't changed in the last 6 years. I tried contacts but I had a hard time putting them in. Great show guys keep up the good work👍🏼

I have the Ribble Endurance SLr, which James pointed out recently is more race than endurance, also the same bike as Lawrence used to have (actually rode it with Lawrence on his for part of his London to Edinburgh in 2 days ride a couple of years ago) - anyway, I love it. Had it for about 4 years and it out performs bikes that are a lot more money that my mates have, also looks great all black. Kudos to Ribble... interested to try the Ultra one day that you mention here.

When it comes to the speed limit issue I try to abide by a few personal rules. outside of town my speed is regulated by conditions. Then when I get to a town and/or get onto a multiuse path I slow down. I feel these rules help to make care drivers less angry, and pedestrians and myself safer. It is all about curtesy.

Prescription inserts work for me (Rudy Project, same ones for the last many years) but then occasionally it will get crap between the actual 'outside' glasses and the inserts, and you'll have to take out the insert gently (with fear that you'll either break it, or your frame) to clean it and put it back (it's actually sturdy but feels the tiny notches might be prone to breaking which would render the whole thing useless). Emily's insert issue could be related to her prescription 'numbers' or type, or just shoddy workmanship. I found a little shop in my home country/city that will do them well happily, if something happens to my inserts I'm hopping on a flight. If you can get Disney to sponsor the channel then Jimmi can get unlimited number of other Grogu things and not just a Garmin VivoFit Jr 3. PandaPops can have Pump Action Francis on them. I think GCN is still underrated including their YT channel, even with the occasional heavily sponsored bad video. I acknowledge they were overrated in the past when they overdid sponsors.

German speaking here: My main argument on speed limits for bikes and general abidance to the applicable road laws is "anticipation". Crossings, right of way, overtaking etc. in an interaction based scenario are significantly safer if everyone can properly anticipate other people's actions, because all follow the same set of rules. Just as an example, motorists pull out in front of me regularly against the traffic laws, because they expect the road cyclist to be as slow as the other pushbikers. Speeding would very often make it impossible to break in time, especially with a lot of traffic all around.

I live in St Neots Cambridgeshire and there are a small number of lad’s who tear around on small off-road motorcycles with full balaclavas on, no helmets and usually sun glasses-the bikes are unregistered (not road legal) and look fairly intimidating. I haven’t heard of them doing anything other than being a bloody nuisance-yet. Carbon fibre-yep, been there done that-I used to windsurf and masts and booms were made of carbon fibre-when they break you have to handle the bits VERY carefully-the splinters will work their way out eventually. Glasses for riding-I used to wear glasses all the time for riding, I was short sighted and my glasses were photochromic so didn’t need sunglasses. This worked fine until I was knocked off my bike by a car, landed face down and trashed my glasses…… I have since had cataract operations on both eyes so now have 20:20 distance vision so can wear cycling sunglasses-but I have to wear reading glasses to read anything……. Keep up the good work you guys. 👍

Well done guys!

You're right about the profit margins on trainers. When Elite put their trainers on a super sale around 18 months ago, I bought two of them for what they'd initially been asking for one. Then I sent one to our house in the US and paid 100% import duty to get the other one into the country where I'm living, giving me one of the few smart turbo trainers in Central America. I'll probably be able to sell it for two or. three times what I paid for it when we're ready to leave, though, so there's that.

Is a river. Has a viaduct *at the head* called Ribblehead. Also a Valley. Either side of the river. ;)

Speaking as a Traffic Engineer, the primary purpose of speed limits (in terms of safety) is to mitigate the damage caused by a loss of control of the vehicle. Of course one of the other major concerns is the way small reductions in speed has a big impact on the survivability of a collision, however there is always an argument to be made about why a pedestrian has chose to cross the road at an arbitrary point rather than use provided infrastructure such as a zebra. Safety efforts are always focused on protecting vulnerable users (pedestrians, horse riders, elderly and infirm, etc). This is why (alongside the mentioned difficulties of speedometers being absent on bicycles) the laws are as they are. The simple fact is that Bicycles cause a tiny fraction of injuries in road traffic collisions (RTC) and cause an almost immeasurable percent of fatalities in RTCs. By contrast, motor vehicles account for the vast majority of both lethal and non-lethal RTCs. Motor vehicles are enforced because their potential to do harm is extreme - even at speeds below 5mph a small car is a dangerous object and can kill. Cycles are unlikely to do serious harm at typical cycling speeds. All road users are subject to the same guidance however - use common sense. While a Cyclist may not be required to adhere to the speed limit, they are required to ride in a considerate, responsible, and safe manner. On a country lane with no footways, a 40mph descent may be reasonable. On a village road with parked cars and pedestrians present, 40mph would usually be deemed irresponsible, and possibly dangerous, and this *is* a prosecutable offense. End of the day, cyclists are unlikely to even be able to break the majority of speed limits. The reason these guys can do 39mph in this 30 is because they're riding a pace line on a descent, and they're roadies with aero kit - not just a couple of guys out for a family ride on dutch-style frames. Not only is the chances of the potential offense occurring so low, but the risk of injury is too, which is not to mention the difficulty of actually policing such an issue. "Are you aware of how fast you were going?" "No, pretty fast I suppose but being this is a push bike I've got absolutely no idea beyond my own blind guess" --- As for cycling glasses for prescription - I've recently invested in a pair of prescription shades. Originally I wanted a pair of oakleys however oakley only cater to a small amount of vision correction. In-fact at about -4.00 sph and -2 cyl in both eyes I was essentially forced to go with Bolle as the only company that would offer prescription for a 'visor' style pair of glasses. They're a bit small for my face I think, but otherwise the lenses are good and don't pain my eyes. They also don't steam up like inserts do. What is worth mentioning is that they make prescription lenses and then weld these into the visor, which means there is a fairly noticeable edge around the lenses and the lense coating is different on the basic visor than on the prescription lenses. Personally I like them, and I think it was worth the money to get a good pair of glasses that will last and give me good vision on the roads. However the glasses/sunglasses I wear in day-to-day use work just as well and I could well have just stuck with those. Contact lenses could be a good option for some, I've never tried them as I don't like the idea of having to wear contacts any time I want to go for a ride.

It's important to have a performance level groupset with mechanical shifting. Hope Shimano holds this line. Performance bike pundits generally lack perspective on what most bicyclists are looking to spend and what the overall marketplace's level of interest is in electronic shifting.

I don't watch you guys that much, but thank goodness you guys are safe.

Captain Negative was in full force today! Francis is so happy and polite, the contrast is funny.

I remember Ribble selling rebranded Dedacciai bikes (which at the time were still made in Italy) and for the price were quite a good deal. I also remember times when Planet-X had a few bikes made by Sarto.

I bought the Ribble Nero Corsa frame and Chorus group with Zonda wheels off Ribble in 2014. Exchange rate to Aussie dollar was favorable. All up with all the other bits was about $3000au. The frame I beleive was based on the Casati just branded Ribble. Carbon fork with Alloy steerer. Still ride it to this day. Nice bike.

I have the Ribble 872 Disc and I bought it just over a year ago. Bought it mainly because mechanical 105 + carbon frame, delivered (to the US) for a really good price. I've put over 1500 miles on it so far and it's been a real solid endurance bike! I had no idea about their history and to be honest, I was sort of "influenced" by Cam Jeffers because outside of him, I would have never known about the brand. It is also nice here in the US to ride a bike that many people don't have!

I remember when Ribble were the place you bought groupsets on, by calling them up with their big pricelist ad in Cycling Weekly in front of you. I bought my first 'fancy' group from them back in the early 90s.

Thanks for answering my question.😊

RXSport do great prescription sun lenses for all of the major cycling brands of eyewear.

Optilabs do great prescription sunglasses. I’ve also got sunglasses with inserts equally these are great. I have a very strong prescription so should be able to sort most sight afflicted people.

I’m torn about the whole gearing thing. I’ve taken to cycling over the last few years and my mileage, usage and (fairly modest) achievements so far in challenging myself, probably mean I’ve earned myself the right to a ‘decent’ bike for my 50th birthday next year. So I’m planning what I’ll hope for - big decision will be whether to go Di2 or stay mechanical, but I’m also really keen that I don’t really want or need 12-sp gearing. 11-sp is annoying enough - I probably enjoy my 9-sp gravel bike more than my 11-sp road bike but if I do want to go Di2, I either have to go 12-sp 105 or hope I can still find an 11-sp Ultegra. Frustrating to have to choose.

Was just at a shimano dealer day last week, mostly on cues but they also had the new 105 and GRX stuff there with an angry man making sure you didnt take photos. The cues stuff is flat bar only and we only got "no comment" on drop bar versions but its all pretty low price

I had the same issue with inserts! Awfull fisheye effects. 4th option is laser surgery which is superb option.

I like Ribble because they do steel frames for an affordable price. I love my Endurance 725!

I grew up in Hackney and worked for Mosquito bikes in islington - I would say you escaped injury and theft that day. The number of people I have personally dealt with who have been injured by “scooter boys” either stealing their bikes at gun/knife point - or more commonly their panniers while commuting. The protagonists are nearly always teenagers…

Man, I love the realism of Jim. The entire 105 segment is truth.

Would love to see some candid footage from the ridealong.

I work not far from where your based in newcastle, we have had the moped guys around trying to steal motorbikes using cordless angle grinders, apparently northumbria police spend 2 hours chasing them with the helicopter recently and still couldnt catch them :(

I’m an optometrist who rides road, Mtb and gravel. I own some frames that I use everyday which have the same coverage as cycling glasses. They are photochromatic and prescription so they double as everyday sunglasses. I do use contact lenses but will try to avoid them for dustier rides. If you do contact lenses. Pack a vial of Systane drops just in case a car blows past you and puts up a cloud of dust. If you’re a contact lense wearer I would recommend a set of photochromic non prescription riding glasses. If it is offered, I would recommend polycarbonate frames. Ensure your glasses temples and nose pads are well fitted so they don’t fall off easily. If they have any movement from you shaking your head. Consider taking your glasses to your optician to remould the frame.

My friend and I bought Ribble Gravel bikes just before the first lockdown, nice spec for the price, but the build quality leaves a bit to be desired.

I remember the old Ribble webstore that Francis refers to, I almost bought their blue bike a couple of times, and I have a more recent Ribble CGR which is a much more refined bike, which I use as a winter/wet weather bike. I do wish their paint jobs were a bit nicer though, as it doesn't help sell their bikes. I kind of wish Shimano would keep Tiagra 10 speed, although I'm interested to see if Shimano CUES will be it's equal or better perhaps.

Job lunch time started, lunch ready, airpods on now let´s enjoy 😂

I love this background

Interesting yeah I think a key point with speed limits is that not many cyclists have a display of their speed on their bikes (I don’t). Enforcing this would mean everyone would need to use a phone/bike computer head unit, which in turn would lead to all bikes having to be sold with one. For less experienced riders, looking at their speed would mean they’re not looking at the road so this would likely increase accidents, but with e-bikes becoming so prevalent I guess this issue will be discussed more and more from here on out…

yeah man I live in southern California and luckily I haven't had any problems but yeah I don't leave my house on the bike without my pepper spray. especially at night rides.

I'm glad Francis has a decent platform for his opinions. It's rare that you find people with reach who have ridden bikes enough to see how much of a joke the cycling vs anti-cycling discourse is... compared to a politician or driver who's never ridden a bike in their life. It's about appeasing drivers to maintain a status quo where they don't have to feel bad about their entitlement of taking up 5x the space of a bicycle, making 10x the noise, producing 100x the emissions, and killing 1000x the people. More people on bikes 100% is the thing that makes it safer

I run Oakleys with a prescription as don't like putting stuff in my eyes! Bought some Oakleys off Ebay and got a local company to make the lenses ( there are a few about now) and sold the original Oakley lenses. The prescription lenses cost me about £90 rather than the £250 that Oakley charge. Just bought some Sungods so gonna see if they can make some for those too! 🤞

100% with the contacts. I use daily disposables for bike rides and surfing.

the kicker does move if you set it up correctly. Its not by much but considerably more than kicker core and makes it a lot more comfortable

Contacts are uncomfortable for me, so I've been using prescription lenses and photochromatic prescription lenses for some time. Limited frame styles to choose from, but much better than inserts. Getting sweat drops stuck between the main lens and the insert lens is annoying.

I don’t think being regulated in the same way would make a difference to anti cyclists. You always see them saying cyclists run red lights, where I love the ratio of motor vehicles jumping red lights to cyclists is 99% vehicles 1% bikes, and let’s face it accidents will be worse from a motor vehicle jumping a red

What bike mounts are on that wall in the background?

I sometimes wear my normal glasses for cycling and sometimes prescription sports glasses (Oakley frame with opticians' lens). For short-sightedness, the stronger the prescription, the more problem there is likely to be with distortion at the edge. Thick edges may also be too thick to fit some frames. Strong prescriptions in a lot of sports frames won't work well enough. However, you can minimize distortion by choosing frames that fit moderately sized lenses (not large, because they will have a thicker edge) and that don't wrap the lenses around much. I like mine. They are clearer than my normal glasses because I don't use them every day! I don't really wear sunglasses, so I chose clear rather than tinted lenses.

The high end Kickr does move. It's got squishy foot pads that allow the movement.

In the US we have the Kia Boys. I know this since they ripped out the steering wheel column out of my car.

13:05: on the lower end side everything Shimano makes is cross-compatible up to and including 9 speed (other than number of sprockets and shifter - these have to match, obviously), so Cues is going to solve a non existing problem here.

For sunglasses I typically use "Polaroid over glasses", not perfect but works well enough.

i run a 3x9 , the crank is stamped steel and the casette is full steel 7 years of commuting and some poor care later only did i replace the crank and casette

Really enjoyed this episode. Thanks guys!

I had a custom built Ribble bike in 2000. 64cm scandium alloy frame, Campag Daytona. It was very nice, and only £1066 (oh how expensive bikes are now). My issue with Ribble now is that they don't build any bikes past 58cm. It's exclusionary for us tall guys (I'm 203cm) especially as 58cm is probably too small for many guys at 190cm.

For prescription eyewear insert, I think not all of them are equal. I've tried several brands and found Rudy Project the best so far. For others... they are curved or has frame so vision is limited or width/height is insufficient so cannot see headunit or etc.

Here in Belgium speed limits technically do apply to bicycles, but since most people including myself don't have any way of monitoring their speed no one really cares as long as you're not doing totally crazy speeds around people

Where was the moped incident? We cycle a lot along the c2c path from Beamish up to Consett and beyond. Was it anywhere near there? Need to keep an eye out if it was.

Partner with Disney and get animated? I could maybe see you two as a slightly hairy Morph and Chas! 😂

You should do a video comparing new 105 mechanical vs old dura ace mechanical. Blind test in a trainer to see which one feels smoother to shift.

Did you report the Bowes Moped incident to the Police? I ride around those lanes all the time! It needs reporting for sure.

just here for the talking dog at the 1 hour mark🤣

I wear my normal glasses while riding. Contacts are great but sometimes either I mess up or it's spring time and my eyes get demolished by the allergies. Would rather just squint a little while going fast down a hill with my regular glasses.

I did email you a few weeks ago and asked whether Hexham was safer for cycling (NO BIKEJACKING GANGS, thuggery). Sadly, you have confirmed it is no better tha SE Lndon. Any tips about emmigrating to Northern Spain?

105 mechanical is already down to £541.67 delivered to us in Jersey!

Two lads in london tried knocking me off my bike near Tottenham hale. wearing balaclavas... didnt realise im 6'10 and 130kg hahaha

Since you had a brief appearance in the Sigma Sports video from the Stone Circle, I have to ask: can you get Matt Stephens in for one of the podcasts...?

Are you sure the groupset bundling website was not Merlin, they still do great deals on complete groupsets...

He should have said "So that was the high tech stuff? the coffee machine?" 😂

CUES is all 11-speed sized. 11-speed chains, 11-speed spacing at the cassette, 11-speed cable pull ratio. The smaller 9/10 versions are literally just smaller clusters that are slightly cheaper to manufacture.

Jimmy makes an excellent point that speeding is another stick for disgruntled drivers to beat us. One difference between bikes and cars is that on a bike you are more vulnerable, so you will be more observant and cautious. A friend did motorcross. When he got new body armour he was immediately faster - on the same bike and track. Feel safe, go faster and vice versa.

I've seen 105 di2 on sale for around $1100 so im assuming the mechanical will go down in price pretty fast. Bike prices are nuts

The dorky option for cycling with prescription glasses: clip on shades. I look like a tool, but I can see in direct sunlight

I was one of the riders who got pulled over. The fact everyone is talking about this is crazy. Honestly i thought it was fair enough that he had a word, and then we carried on. I don't think sharing it on twitter was useful in any way though. That bit of road is straight and has plenty of visibility. Yes there is a crossing but you can see it from miles away. How many cars go down this hill every day at 40? Flipping loads.

R7000 105 was super fucking great. but l have the new Di2 and setup without cables is just so much faster ... ldk like the modern bike system is just better, but mech groupset still work super great if you wanna save money

In the USA, bicycles are considered vehicles and must obey speed limits. My buddy actually received a speeding citation on his bike for bombing down a street while a motorcycle cop was "preparing to direct school traffic" He has the ticket framed in his garage! 😆

28:15 "so the same applies to a car then" ABSOLUTELY NOT

Having just used an SLX 12s cassette because my XTR went back under warranty (due to a creak) I don't think XTR is worth the (almost triple) money for 95% of riders.

I get us Americans forgetting Campy offers 12 speed, mechanical, rim brake at both the Chorus and Record levels, but you Euros have no excuse! Chainreaction has a full Chorus groupset for $1100, and was recently at 950 iirc. It's more expensive than 105, but not absurdly so, especially if you're doing a complete newbuild with Campy freehubs.

Hey guys, I am thinking to buy my first road bike and am very keen to get a Canyon but struggling with size. I am 180cm with inseam length 83cm which is according to Canyon size M but it’s close to size S. Unfortunately there isn’t any bike fitting shop in my area nor a shop selling Canyon bikes. Shop I been to recommended to get bike size 56 if I opt out to go for something else than a Canyon which I believe is too big. What do you guys think? Appreciate your advice.

The Zelda mug 😄

I love my Ribble, best aero bike out there and I’m no pro but I don’t see how the steering could be a problem, it’s not a mountain bike, you would never turn a road bike like that, I’ve got about 7k miles on my Ribble and just love it

Ha'way the Lads! ❤🤍