It's really hard to know. I don't think so. It's in European dealers now but I can't find out anything about US dealers. It might be work giving your local one a call. :)
in my opinion getting the opportunity to use all of the engine and banging trough some gears wile tackling a back road at an spirited pace is a benefit rather than a defect, you get to enjoy the engine instead of having a ridiculously powerful engine that you rarely ever get to rev out on a mountain road without going insanely fast.
@@BrakeMagazine If someone needs more power, the Yamaha T 700 is not the bike for them. Technic is the key for success. I'm a Trial rider. The Standard T 700 is perfect for my needs. A good mix for Road and Offroad.
i think Yamaha said that its gonna be an Europe/Asia only thing for now, at the very least its gonna take a couple of years to make it to our side of the pond.
problem is that the us supply is made in Japan and shipped to the USA while the euro models are made in France I think (for the normal tenere 700 so I assume it would be the same for the world raid
At least in my case, it would be sadly ironic if Yamaha decided to keep the World Raid in Europe because of slow sales in the US. Because the only reason I wouldn't buy a standard T7 is it's small fuel tank. I wonder how many guys here in the US are the same.
What I have found in Canada (t7"s are hard to get) is if I put a deposit down and waited the 6-8 months I'm pretty much gauranteed to get it. Yamaha didn't want dealers ordering the bikes until they were accounted for. That's what I was told. So if you want a bike go chat with a dealer I'd say. My deposit was in Nov, hopefully see my 2023 in spring. Gives me time to save the $$$$. :)
@@craigfinnegan8534 My feelings exactly, World Raid model is the one. If Yamaha was serious when they stated the WR is only for Euro/Asia markets, I have one response to that......... Sorry Yamaha, my $s are only for KTM and Honda.
I'm surprised Yamaha didn't address the issues of that awful exhaust hanger, detachable rear sub frame and a flat surface under the rear seat for people who prefer to ride solo. It's surely a golden opportunity lost......until the next version.
Thank you so much for this great first impressions of the bike. Really nice of you to talk so much about all the good and bads. Can’t wait to get mine. Cheers from Norway 🇳🇴
Am I the only one who thinks it didn't really need the TFT display? I mean it's nice but I feel like the type of people who are interested in the T7 are the kind of people who don't really care about stuff like that. They're more interested in the purely practical stuff, like that bigger fuel tank and the upgraded suspension.
Like others have pointed out, I don’t think it’s a 4000$ usd value increase compared to the standard t7…but a standard t7, spend 800$ on suspension and put a rotopax on the back…then spend the rest on adventures! It’s cool Yamaha are developing the T7, it’s just not quite exactly what people were wanting 🤷♂️
That's what i was thinking. In Romania the difference is 3000 euro. The suspension is great...but an update on the standard one would not cost this much
That place looked stunning. So how do I explain to my family that even though I can travel back to UK for Christmas now after the pandemic, I would rather take my bike down there. Can someone write me note... Cheers Paul
hmmm, I dont like these selection screens on the displays. The reason I bought by '22 t7 is BECAUSE of the simplicity. I work in IT, so my opinion does not come from being incompetent with technology but quite the opposite; I see how much technology breaks and the last thing I want to do on my weekend is troubleshoot software issues on my bike 🙄
Great review as always! My local Yamaha dealer hasn’t been able to get a T7 yet so there’s not a lot of hopes in seeing one of these anytime soon. Thanks for a great channel from the USA!
The internet is never going to forget the 990 is it 😂 I didn't ride the Aprillia. It's different to KTM. More mellow, easier to ride in tech but less wild and fun.
Your choice of words to describe the physical characteristics of a machine and the sum of the parts always sets you apart from other reviewers. Top-notch review.
Great review. How is the seat comfort on long road rides? So many bikes seam to fail in this area. Like the famous DR650 20 years of the same seat plank literally everyone complaints about for that 20 years. Cheers from 🇦🇺 Australia
More weight for falling, and they still decide exhaust position should remain the same... sheesh. Yamaha's main income comes from selling swingarms apparently.
@@BrakeMagazine After falling to right side few times, exhaust starts scratching the swingarm. You must have seen it by now. Check out any rider that is riding offroad with T7, I bet there are markings on it under the exhaust. Every single person owning a T7 I know has brushed swingarm. One friend has HP Coarse re-location pipe and exhaust kit that fixes that problem and is how it should have came out from factory IMO.
Which would you rather own the Tiger 900 or Tenere 700. I dont like the dual fuel caps, good idea on the upgraded suspension. Engineers normally dont ride so they have no real world idea on the function and practicality of the thumb wheel which looks like it should be redesigned for 2023.
Good question. Really tricky to answer. I personally like the tech on the Tiger and the bike is super nice. Depends on your budget but if that's where you're looking the Tiger probably edges it. Both a great choice though. Follow ya heart good sir!
@@davidhyde2267 One could actually buy two Tenere's for the cost of the Tiger, I did like the rally option on the screen option. The Tiger just has that Great look and on and off road ability to preform but is $$
@@BrakeMagazine Yes a tough question and thank you for answering. I missed a newish / used 2021 Tiger 900 with less the 500 for 10k with lots of options Dawww hind site is always 20/20
@@czthor1 not here in the UK you can't. £ 11,700 for the new T7 and yes more for the Triumph at £ 13,500 but that's definitely not two Tenere's , and my feeling is percentage increase in price matches the quality of bike bought.😄
Are you one of the ones in the group then that Adam Rieman and Townley were tying stay away from then? 😂 It looks great, better than the T700 but for me they missed a trick not updating the power a little (given the extra weight and competition), and not updating the electronic package significantly. Especially given its ADV purpose i.e. touring, covering distance over a variety of roads and terrains, a cruise control option would have be useful for hauls on the slab.
I just took delivery of my Raid on Saturday, traded my 2020 T7 in which I loved, straight off the Raid is a much better bike on the road, suspension much better, the fuel tank is a vast improvement, you hardly notice it is there, centre of gravity is lower and the bike no longer feels top heavy. People talk about the extra weight but it doesn't feel any different, and the front/rear balance is very good, (change the end can and lose a few kilos), the dash is much better although the selector wheel is a bit tedious, a button push would be better and filling both tanks separately is a bit of a bore! Wouldn't go back to a standard bike after this.
One thing I can't cope with is the dual gas cap! Thanks, but no thanks. It feels like something a weekend DIYer would come up with, not a factory solution.
@@defylifeadventure Well, the F 850 GS Adventure managed 23l with only one fuel cap, so that's one. Then the BMW has a better fuel mileage although the engine is bigger and there's more power. And it costs only 1000 EUR more. I'll test ride the GS in a couple weeks from now, but at least on paper it looks better.
@@defylifeadventure The twin fillers on the KTM mean there's room for a little compartment to keep wallet, spare earplugs and more in that you can open and use from the saddle.. I couldn't see the point of it before I got my 950...now I'd really miss it.
@@richardsimpson3792 Yup same here. I made use of that compartment a lot on my 950. It's annoying they didn't make one on the 890, which is supposed to be a travel bike.
Would you agree that a rear shock like the rally raid is a must for some of road in the UK and the forks would be OK with are valve and some spring rates to suit weight of the rider? Or if range is not an issue buy the standard t7 and get the full rally raid treatment?
I don’t think any suspension upgrades are a must. I think it depends on what you want to do. This is much bigger bike than a stock T7 and should be thought of as such, but if you want to push a bit harder off-road the suspension can be made plenty good enough.
How is this bike compared to the standard AT 1100? For someone who would like to do long distance traveling with all its luggage and in general 5-10% offroad - or TET once a while? Which one would you pick after riding both? Thanks!
You ask the exact same question I do. I recently test rode both the standard T7, and the standard AT. Does the offroad pose of this model fall between the two? I had found that the T7 offroad feels much more playful and competent than the AT (The T7 can easily be squeezed with the legs, AT much less so), but the AT feels much more neutral and better at roaded sections (T7 felt very soft and bouncy, not well connected to the road). That last one might be due to inferior suspension, so I am very curious how the T7 WR compares to them. Also considering low speed manouvres, the AT is slightly better due to the long wheel base and high center of gravity. Seeing how the new model is (in terms of weight) very comparable to the AT, how does that compare?
I would say you're spot on the. I would pick the WW for most stuff personally. Its not as good on bigger roads and highways but it's good at everything else, cheaper and enjoyable to ride. The Honda is good but has little glitches that get on my nerves. The fuelling isn't the best for a start.
Excellent review as always. Maybe a bit tall for my 5’8(and a bit)” frame but I had a GSA which was manageable. A test ride (or sit on one in the shop) will tell me the truth.
Ok it costs 13000 euros you add a roll bar, if at all, additional protection for the engine, bags, replace the hand guard a few more things for the trip and you are already at the price of much better motorbike wtf ... 13000 euros for what? World ride but it doesn't even have the equipment for that name ... when you roll over it doesn't have any roll bar protection ... 13000 for what? for what?
But you don’t have to do it all at once! Take the pressure off, if the financials are heavy an get the bits when you have the extra cash.❤❤💎💎🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🏍️🏍️
2 tanks but only 23 liters of total capacity?! I always thought World Raid had like a 33-40 liter total capacity when seeing it in person, never bothered to ask because it's common sense almost, that most bikes in the 700-1000cc category have 20-21 liter tanks, which means the dual tank Tenere has only 2-3 liters bigger fuel capacity than almost all single tank bikes. What's the point of putting a dual tank on a bike if you're gonna increase the bikes total fuel capacity by only 2 liters?!?! The whole point of even having a dual tank, is to DOUBLE the fuel capacity, not increase it by 2-3 liters... Most 500-750cc bikes that have dual tanks, have a total capacity of 32-40 liters aka. 16-20 liters PER TANK, not 11 liters per tank... Anyhow, 23 liters for having 2 tanks is disappointing to see...
Now that I own this bike, I can answer your question. the reason they went with 23 litres is because it can go 500km with that much fuel. Thats more than anyone will ever need. It has very good fuel economy and combined with 23 litres, it basically goes further on one tank than almost every other stock bike in existence including many with larger fuel tanks
@@KevGoesRiding I know man, I'm aware of that but still that huge of a double tank for only 23 liters? You can't say you weren't surprised by that, because I did, especially coming from someone who had multiple GS's. BMW's standard GS tank box is much smaller and holds 20 liters, in comparison to that, Tenere WR's tank looks like it holds AT LEAST 30 liters - Maybe it's just the tank shape and distribution around the chassis of the bike but that's just how it looks like because it's so big. Anyway, to give my opinion on fuel range - yeah 400-500 kilometer range is fine for most, if not vast majority of ''point A to point B'' type of trips, yes, I highly agree with that but let's be honest, if you're an avid adventure rider (or even a driver) and like to explore, you're not just going from point A to point B, you're very highly likely going off track dozens of time during your travel from point A to point B and that results in hundreds of kilometers of additional riding/driving time. For example, my recent August trip from Villach, Austria going over Alps to Singen, Germany and then back via the southern side of the Alps, should have been a 1,300 kilometer, 4 day trip for me (1,156km if I don't go off path and just ride from point A to point B but I added an estimated 150km of additional riding that I would probably do) but during the trip I've seen so many nice places, landscapes and towns that I ended up doing close to 2,400 kilometers on that trip and ended up adding 2 additional days to the trip, so in total almost double the range that I planned... The amount of times that I was riding in the middle of a forest, mountain, hillside or a small town with no gas pumps nearby, while being low on gas is way more than I can count or remember... That's why I always carry extra fuel if I'm riding on a bike with sub 20 liter tank.
clearly Yamaha would sell the hell out of these if they did make it to the U.S. .. as evidenced by comments I encounter daily about this bike .. and riders pleading with Yamaha to make it a U.S. model
Great review, l have the old xt660z, tried a mates T7 which was a big improvement over mine but been waiting for the next generation, this looks to tick a few more boxes so between the KTM 890 & and this T7 l think. I live in Southern Spain and love the look of where you shot this, l see you say it's between lorca & Granada, can you be a bit more specific to help pin point the area, cheers and keep up the good work
@@BrakeMagazine Thanks! Some reviewers complained that knees get pushed outward too much. If true it defies the point of the new seat cause it's supposed to let you sit closer to the handlebars (if need be).
@@BrakeMagazine I'm in Texas and would buy a T7-WR today if one was available. It takes a full day of riding to cross my state. I stopped into the local Honda dealer and checked out the Africa Twin.
So Yamaha's answer to the ridiculously small fuel tank on the t7 is.......TWO fuel tanks? and putting it in the price range of significantly better bikes.....nope. they should have just made the correct version the first time (one with a SINGLE large fuel tank).
Not fuel efficiency... Am ride crf 1100l my own, I know its over liter engine capacity but 5000rpm on my bike have 90mph on yamaha 60mph it's little different. I don't like yamaha seating positions it's like motocross flat things, i prefer seating positions like honda cr 500 old style. New one is completely crap for me
Hey, that's the beauty of bikes right? I like the T7, but that doesn't really matter. If you like your AT then that's awesome. It really doesn't matter if another bike is better, worse or not if what you've got makes you happy. After all, if you've got any motorbike you enjoy riding then you're blessed 🙌
Yamaha could have had $15K of my hard earned money but these Tenere 700’s are not available anywhere in western Canada 🇨🇦 🤷♂️🤷♂️ so I took my money to Triumph. How such a great bike has not been available for almost 2 years now is just ridiculous 😳😳😳 I’ve literally seen one since they came out 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Yamaha: Lets not sell the World Raid edition to the most rich nation in the world. Does everyone agree this makes no sense? Yes. done. I wont buy one until the world raid comes to the USA.
Why are Brits too lazy to say the word.. "millimeter". Instead they say "mil" which is incorrect and a completely different unit. Shame the English need to be taught their own language.
Can't find a dry weight for the Rally but if you subtract the weight of the extra petrol it carries, i.e. 7 litres, you end up with 214.75 kg, so 10kg more than the quoted weight of the original model.
The quoted Dry weight of the original was 189kg, 204kg wet. Whatever way you cut it, it's heavier and the number doesn't really matter. It's a bit heavier, but still lighter than an Africa Twin or a GS.
No thanks, I'll stay with my 2017 Africa twin. Over 20 more horsepower, one gallon of fuel less, 20 pounds heavier. Standard Tenere made more sense for me
Good review!! The reason I did a de-cat and reflashed the ECU on my T7 was to loft the front easier in third gear. It sounds like the Raid struggles even more. I was considering the Raid but I think I will keep the standard. The standard lacks fuel range. Last year I did the TAT (plus a bit more) and I had to get 200 miles out of a tank on a stretch in eastern Oregon. I dropped the speed to 45 mph and averaged 70 mpg to be able to stretch it.
Great review man, you give a comprehensive narration of the bikes attributes. Given the choice, what tires would you put on the bike? Thanks from a big fan from 🇨🇦👍
Anything with more side bite really. I'm not super fussy on tyres. I like Karoo 3's, Anakee Wilds, AX41 Adventures. Something like that that's 50|50 would be sweet. Thanks for the kind words about the review too btw.
If I go off English price increase then this will take the WR to $23500 drive away in Australia. That puts it dangerously close to the KTM 890 R and Ducati Desert X, both are $24,500 drive away. Hard to pick the Yamaha here when you get so much power and kit on the others, especially the Ducati that comes with almost all the tech kit as standard.
I agree. You might get Japanese/Aus discount on that but it's creeping close and that makes for a really different value proposition. It's not really a budget bike anymore. I would also through the Tiger 900 in with your list. It's a great bike, with great spec kit. The TFT is world class.
@@BrakeMagazine Triumph is on there and further makes my point. Standard 900 will be cheaper than T7WR with GT and Rally Pro about the same as the Ducati. Just adds to the list of better-equipped bikes for the money.
