A New Contender To The LP Graphics Card Throne 

2028? We're looking five years ahead already? 😂

The optiplex moved to a 12VO standard about 3-4 years ago on this sized (non MT) line. Almost completely and totally impossible to get power externally to a GPU (I've got a 9500 powered optiplex 3070 working as a NAS at the moment)

I'm pretty sure that external power is not needed and the GPU will still work. Its relative performance will be high enough to satisfy most users. I currently run a 1650 in my Opti 3060. @@andrewbenson6316

@@BREEZYM6015 Yes, this is a reference to Dawid's remark that when the current generation of low profile Optiplexes reach the used market five years from now this card will truly fulfill its purpose.

@@andrewbenson6316 they want to laugh at the price and wattage my friend

maybe even a 12400 if its cheaper

that actually would be a kickass gaming pc

i was going to make the same comment!

It don't have space for 2 slot wide card

I'd like to see something like an optiplex with a i5 6500. Those go for around $100 now, and will definitely perform better than the 2600.

The quadro drivers got the a2000 are a bummer though. But seeing how the stock Dell PSU powered that card without going into overload I think the extra power draw isn't much of an issue. I think the PSU in that Dell is like 225 watts, if it can power it, I don't think many systems would have issues.

Exactly, A2000 is the card I give to my HP prebuilt with a measly 310w PSU.

Every video card, including the GT710 is better than a stupid 40 series card. All the specs except the clock speed are cut down dramatically compared to the 3060, and they expect unscrupulous reviewers (and Dawid) to use DLSS 3 to mask the facts. Turn DLSS 3 off, and the 4060 will get maybe 15 fps more than the 3060 Dawid sold his soul

maybe nvidia should make an RTX 4050 with 75w tdp? surely it will be better than any LP card out there. already many 4050 laptops have 75w or less TDP so shouldn't be hard

@@Boogie_the_cat this video is about low profile cards. There aren't any options out there for low profile cards. And no, a gt710 is not better than this thing. I don't even game and I know that isn't going to happen.

Yeah but you'd probably still be using outdated processors, most probably kaby lake and coffee lake once those Optiplexes go down in price

My point exactly. Nobody builds those yet, but they'd be interesting to benchmark. Though AMD hasn't helped us given their focus on the higher end, the low-mid level chips with Intel seldom get the spotlight in build videos.

@@CrocoDylianVT Coffee Lake i5 would be a huge upgrade in CPU limited games though with 50% more CPU power. Even 10th gen will only add HT which will be another ~15-20% maybe. As an i7-4790 Optiplex user, even an i7-7700 will only be ~15-20% faster but that 8th gen bump will be the big one.

@@lewzealand4717 The problem being that later Optiplex's moved the full-length PCIe down to the bottom slot, leaving dual-slot LP cards incompatible. Been hunting for one for ages before I gave up.

​@@AwSomeNESSSI might be really really dumb, but can't you just take Optiplex hardware and rebuild it in any ATX case for like $10? Then you won't have to buy an LP GPU and think about cooling.

4060*

​@@Mr.Genesisr/woooosh

Ha, I get the joke

@@Mr.Genesis They made a typo in Nvidia when they put these out. Should be 4050.

​@waitwhat1320like how the new Supra is actually a BMW?

Sounds like a good candidate for some VRAM overclocking. I guess gpu manufacturers might do that themselves if nVidia will allow it. Still though, it could be an interesting gpu if it manages to be single slot LP. Afaik the RX 6400 is still the fastest gpu in that category and it's only got 4GB on a 64 bit bus (not to mention the gpu itself isn't exactly amazing either)

@@SterkeYerke5555Will probably have similar results on the 4070 Ti, where memory oc also does a lot. nVidia are really cheaping out on the memory bus here. 192-bit was usually always for the x60 cards, and they performed really well. The 4070 should have a 256- bit bus, the 4060 a 192-bit bus and the 4050 a 128-bit bus, minimum. They basically equipped all cards one tier lower this time.

@@HappyBeezerStudios Tbf, nVidia equipped the cards with hardware from one tier lower in general this generation. That goes for the memory bus, but also die size, shader units and relative performance to the flagship of every generation. The 4070 Ti might as well've been the 4060 Ti or 4070 if it were named (and priced!) the way nVidia would've done until last gen

i think it's spelled Dawid

@@Yinzzy656 it is, but forgive the newb lol

​@@Living-gnu-64heck, I've been watching him awhile but his name constantly gets auto corrected any time I type it

@@Living-gnu-64 or I didn't catch the auto correct.........

Why?

This is how I built my bedroom media/gaming pc. Got a HP Prodesk with a Pentium and 8gb ram for £40 (seller did me a deal as I wanted 2 of them, but they were selling for £60 each), got a i5 6600 for £20, a passively powered 1050 ti for £60 and £20 on ram. For £140 I think it would be a challenge to build a better PC. I had to do quite a bit of research to find a GPU that wasn't overpriced or just e-waste. Some people would argue a 1050ti is e-waste, but it is still a serviceable card for AAA games that are 1 or 2 years old already (the specs are basically God Of War's recommended specs) and I already have a gaming PC, if I want to play a new title I can just use Parsec to play it remotely.

Currently using an HP Elitedesk SFF with NVME, 64 Gb RAM and an RX6400. It's not the *best* system I've used, but it *is* a total sleeper build.

I would go another route. A LP 4060 Super that uses the AD104 chip of the 4070, but at much lower clocks. That should give quite a spike in efficiency.

@@Jantcha it’s older architecture though. In theory this could perform better even at 75w.

You won’t get that cause the 4060 is what the 4050 should have been. If you want a 75W card, buy a workstation card or AMD gpu.

Intel´s ARC 380 from Asrock should be what you search for with a decent price on it.

@@joemarais7683 asterisk* RTX A2000. It exists and not talking about price, it incinerated the Pathetic RX 6400

I saw someone else do that and it's about 2% faster than the 4060 in games but draws 1/3rd of the power

Done

David has to see and do this

Is this really a thing? Never heard of that bios option

If this can be done id like to see that.

​@@_Winfried_must be in the GPU bios, that wouldn't be in a motherboard bios.

@@_Winfried_ its not necessarily an option, basicly you change the word 'false' into 'true'. Its not as easy as my comment makes is sound though, but since people make entire custom biosses for gpu's (like RX570 getting custom RX580 bios to boost performance) simple changing 1 word should definitely be doable

probably for the itx enthusiast. hdplex actually has 400w small psu nowadays.kinda sized like pico.. it should be well enough to power a ryzen 5600+ this tiny 4060. this should opens up some new door for more powerful compact rig

The A2000 is why the GA-106 die the 3050 and 3060 are made from even exist. It's no coincidence the best-binned silicon from that line just happens to hit the perfect voltage/shader count sweetspot within the slot-only power budget that's perfect for the LP form factor that you can sell for extortionate prices to professionals and data centres. Why let board partners make a product that competes with any of the unique selling points that will cannibalize the cash cow you went to so much trouble to design? Make no mistake, gamers are second-class citizens in the world of GPUs now.

@@workdesu Most of the time the ITX crowd can still run full height GPU's, even if they're limited to single fan models like the Palit 4060 Ti StormX and ZOTAC Gaming. Still feel the pain paying more for a GTX 1650 LP vs a 1650 Super or even a 1660!

My ITX system has a full size 3080 in it. Its not the smallest system in the world but its only 11L volume

ray tracing is impossible to use on a 3050... 3050 struggles on low settings without raytracing lol

keep in mind many people among the tech community claim nvidia shifted the whole naming scheme up, so that technically the 4060 should have been named 4050 (based on performance gains over last gen), so on and so forth. The LP 4060 only strenghtens this narrative.

The GTX 1650 had an LP version. Gigabyte made one. And I think MSI did too.

​@absolutemadchad8637pretty decent for a ~50W card.

That’s because it is a xx50 class card being sold as a 60.

​@@ehohacknermain evidence for this is the crippled 128-bit memory bus and tiny XX107 GPU chip, both of which have always been 50-class. The performance numbers tell the same story; there is memory-bound applications where the "4060" is outperformed by a 3060, 2060 and even 1660 Ti.

i'm pretty sure that w/o the 8 pin connector it would just burn up the pci slot tyiing to provife the power.

@@snoflahke6575 it wouldn’t burn it up, the motherboard has protections against that. The card simply wouldn’t work if it wasn’t getting enough juice.

Every generation of Optiplex SFF after the 3010 has this same problem, even the newest 3000/5000/7000 series! Sadly, my 3050 can't take a double slot GPU.

It's a shame Dell is still kneecapping them...super odd design choice. I have a few 7000's laying around at work with i7-12700s that would be great compact gaming machines if it weren't for this issue

I always wondered why nobody made a LP card with a cooler on the back. Wrap it around and have the cooling on the side where there is at least a slot for room, and in may cases even more above that.

i have a g3 hp elite desk sff i7 7700 and i got lots of slots and the perfect slot space for a 2 slot card

Dell 3450（Inspiron 7090） also has this problem, but 3460 has changed it

probably not, it already runs around 70W and the pciexpress slot are 75W, if u dont want to burn it up, avoid flashing a bios, beside that u lose the quadro benefits of the special driver features

It is limited by the power, I have tested it and there is no way of going beyond the power limit because you can't add more power onto it due to the pcie connection limit

hell, if we're talking about the fastest 75w card, go look at the rtx4000sff. its a batshit crazy workstation card with 20 gigs on it.

not that much performance, not from concentrate has a system with a water cooled shunt modded one and the 4060 is still gonna outperform it

Most of the space is the heatsink, and on lower end cards they are using the same big heatsinks as the higher end cards because it's cheaper to mass produce a single heatsink for all

And people still go for the Strix version

Wish that card was cheaper

@@ToothlessSnakeable and smaller, It doesn't fit on low profile cases like the a2000

The adapters are normally included with the A2000. So free, usually.

@@bricefleckenstein9666 Indeed, that is a perfectly valid option. I was just giving another for folks who didn't want adapter dongles hanging off the back of their GPU.

A2000 6GB can be bought for 200-250$ used and there is no gaming performance difference than the 12GB version

@@ilijazafirov4192 ok that's great but this is easily worth the 330 being new and having like 70% more performance on average

@@creaturedanaaaaa not if you use it in SFF office PC which doesn't have extra power (most of them limited power supply to 200-250W on 1 or 2 rails and without GPU power connector), besides the PCIE power itself you don't have an extra power, for a custom made SFF PC where you can use whatever power supply you want, certainly you are correct. If there is a test where the 4060 is limited to 70W (at which the A2000 runs), we can decide which one is better to get, but on the other hand why would you even buy 4060 if you have to underpower it.

You look cute too 😉

While not as impressive as Dawid's beast it does look kind of funny slotted beside a Noctua NH-L12S, a lot of heatsink for a low profile case.

Down side, the A4000 is VERY pricy. Makes the 6GB A2000 look cheap, and even the 12GB A2000 look fairly cheap.

From what I've seen, the 40 series seem to be really efficient at 900-950 mV. You can reduce power draw and increase performance at the same time. And less power draw means easier cooling.

Silverstone ML03 for me, and yes the fans and cooling are actually a pleasant surprise, performs cooler and quieter than even the GTX 1650 LP. The initial photos made it seem extremely long but even with the triple fan configuration it's not much longer either.

this is the only 4060 worth buying

I have it on 8th gen Intel CPU, 8700 to be precise, and it runs very well, though I have the 6GB ram version of the A2000 Also ddr4 on 6th gen doesn't exist unless you talk about laptops in which case it is impossible to test it

I have an HP desktop with a i7-6700 in it and 32GB DDR4 in it. It was 5th gen that started to switch between DDR3 and DDR4 @@ilijazafirov4192

@@ilijazafirov4192 there are motherboards in lga1151 with ddr4.

manually limit the TDP

If you undervolt like hell you probably could

I agree I thought the main selling point of LP cards was the non extrnal power needed.

@@linuxnerd5319 its for use on a HTPC system aswell

But the problem is that it cannot be turned on without connecting the 8pin power supply, not even the 6pin one.

The Pro A60 is single-slot full-profile, the Pro A50 is dual-slot low-profile, and both of them are absolute unobtainium. I haven’t been able to find them either stand-alone, in prebuilts, or second hand yet, despite their “release”. AMD’s got the Radeon Pro W7600, which is single-slot full-profile with a 6-pin and is basically a W7600 with a lower boost clock, and maybe more interesting in the field of “putting pro GPUs places they shouldn’t be and doing things they’re not meant for”: the cut down W7500 that’s also single slot and full height, but doesn’t need a power cable.

@@jameslake7775 so you wouldn't be at all interested in seeing the comparison? I thought that it might be interesting. I couldn't remember the name of the AMD offering. Thanks for letting me know as I knew that I'd read it somewhere.

@@hum430 Oh it would be neat to see, but the point was more that I'm not sure you can do the Arc Pro comparison, since the cards only seem to exist on paper. At the right price I'd be dangerously tempted by an A60, but Intel can't say when or where or how much!

@@jameslake7775 yes, I did a quick search after your message and it does appear elusive still it's the type of video he excels in so it would be fun if he could an apparent power draw maximum of 130 and of course I am also interested in what the AMD card has to offer.