A painful conversation with an atheist student about morality: SUBJECTIVE or NOT! 

I wouldn’t equate a lack of God or god a lack of principle. Even if you make the argument that desiring principle is desiring God. If he had a time and the thought of mind to mention it, all of morality seems to be based off of health and help.

just make rule of no punishment in a day like in the movie The Purge and see what kind of human nature we have lol

@@finnfinn2381 To be fair, boundaries aren't for punishing people, there about respecting property which can include your own body.

​@@FaySwine Perhaps someone just erased his/her comment, and that's what you were responding to. But sure you can't equate those two. You can have principles and still make no reference to God. What you can't do is justify those principles beyond yourself. To do that, you need an objective standard. But what is such an objective ruler that can measure what is good and evil so you can justify your principles? What do we know, other than a mind, that can make sense of morality? It is pretty reasonable how this points to God. You could find a lot of objections, but in the end, you gotta evaluate what's at least more likely. Indeed, I'm undoubtedly convinced that God is the moral Standard.

@@renancunha4799 If a person thought of life as intrinsically valuable, considered happiness as a factor to good ethics but was concerned about fear and addiction being obstacles the could find morality. Western society has just filtered their ideas through scripture throughout the ages. Surely you don't agree with all that was done like the crusades, right?

There is no objective morality. Morality is a man-made concept and entirely dependent on societal factors. Morality, while generally agreeable to the whole (most of us agree it is wrong to kill), is relative to a given context e.g. a home owner shoots and kills an intruder. Religion does not own truth or morality.

@@coffeeandbytes9854 hate to say this Coffee, but you are of no higher authority to declare "no objective morality" than religion is to claim there is, sorry. We all have a conscience that says otherwise. And where it's true that culture can have a variance on a person's morality, this is a severance of what each person knows to be true. and as God says, as a person continues to willfully override his conscience, eventually he will simply give this person up to what they desire, turn them over to a reprobate way of thinking. This can happen on a cultural level also. The Bible is chock full of examples of this. A severance brought about by the fall of man, those given over to sinful proclivities, and a natural rebellion towards God as a result. By the way, if you do a study on the commandment not to kill, you will quickly find the meaning to be, "thou shalt not commit murder." That is, not to kill unlawfully. This is of course substantiated by the many lawful killings depicted in the Bible. The Bible also speaks about the spirit of the law, which covers all of those nuanced and unusual circumstances of life.

@@johnboehmer6683 well then. Change of subject If we all have objective morality. What is your opinion on slaves? Jesus didn't condemn slavery as far as i know.

Paulius Širka Jesus didn’t condemn homosexuality directly either Jesus didn’t condemn masturbation directly Jesus Said do unto others as you’d want them to do unto you Jesus brought two important laws, Loving God and loving humanity And he said within these laws lies every law Jesus did not temper with political status quo as he emphasized on his followers to focus on their spiritual lives and families Hence render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and render to God what belongs to God We could go on But in principle as a Christian who follows Christ, you’d understand clearly where Christ stands on several issues he never explicitly mentioned

@@raphaeljasi5517 So what you are saying is that although Jesus did not condemn slavery directly he did not "aprove" of it either. I believe your god should be pretty powerfull since he created everything etc etc. so if he didn't approve of it shouldn't he be able to do something about it at the time? And really great you mentioned homosexuality! What is your opinion on killing gay people? Because your God himself ordered ot after all ( Leviticus chapter 20 verse 13 ) (I'LL just put it right here if you are too bothered to look it up ) "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." If you say "killing gay people is wrong" you are defying your Gods orders. If you say "killing gay people is ok" please do explain why killing gay people should be ok.

If killing men, women and children for having a different opinion is "wise", then shame on your religion and shame on you.

@@upturnedblousecollar5811 Can you explain more I’m a bit confused on what your saying ;-;

@@GeoNor The Bible - like many religions - instructs its readers to kiill whole towns full of innocent men, women AND children, if just one person in that town worships a different god. This maniacal nonsense is rampant in quite a few relligions.

@@upturnedblousecollar5811 May I ask were on the Bible does it instruct People to kill innocent people if only one person believes in a Different God? (Sorry if my English is bad)

@@GeoNor *Deuteronomy 13:13-19:21* It says: Scoundrels among you are leading their fellow citizens astray by saying, ‘Let us go worship other gods’ - gods you have not known before. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.

Haha. Listening to his answers change, it was clear he was making it up as he went. However, he's actually smart and could keep up with his own stumbling. But, he still really missed Frank's points.

All morality is subjective. And there are NO ultimate values. People may have their own priorities but what restrains their impulses? Society does with expectations and law.

@@msmd3295 What you're stating is only true in a world where God does not exist. Where God exists, He is the objective moral standard. He determines and sets what is right and wrong, and has placed that knowledge on our hearts.

@@msmd3295 You know what you sound like? You sound like someone very sheltered, with very little life experience, for whom everything in life is theoretical. Because holy cow, you have no idea what you're talking about.

@@msmd3295if all morality is subjective, then you cannot objectively claim something is evil, because you’d be imposing your morality onto the other person who has a different view of morality. A world without objective morality would be a world full of humans. As we’d have all killed each other by now.

Amen praise God ❤️🤗

no one cares. Amen

@@ollie6389 God does

Hallelujah !! ❤️☝🏾✝️

Congratulations, sibling in Christ!

I can figuratively only name three

@@neoneherefrom5836 google James bulger...its disgusting.

and animals

A 14 year old shot a pizza delivery guy

Only 5? Out of how many million children?

No, don't. He needs a heavy dose of reality from a classroom before it smacks him across the face in the real world.

@Lanthanaas No. Let reality smack him across the face. Sometimes, people can only learn when they get slapped around by reality.

Yeah as an atheist it was a bad argument

@@Gumpmachine1 as an ex-atheist, you have no good argument.

@@anti-nephilimgovernmentage5471 I’m sure you think so. I have the exact same opinion of theistic arguments. Atheism doesn’t really advance any arguments so your criticising it for something it isn’t trying to do.

This guy is a doctor? Dentist?

It's his job and he makes. Of course he is patient. Trouble is he never answers a question without making a god claim. Pointless.

Actually if you leave kids alone they may stab each other to death in minutes...

i remember a 5 yr old shooting his grandma in the head because he was playing gta apparently.

@@user-nu3sd7zb2j That's still adults being evil. The parents are responsible for this.

@@mmmgoodroll nope , it's the kids fault. The kid knew what was going to happen.

Yeah like kids commit crimes all of the time

Quite so. I challenged a friends student Daughter on her beliefs and fondness for Marxism and even though it was gentle, she threw a huge tantrum, cried and told everyone she hated me. This was in February. To my great astonishment, she is now a different person and is being discipled at a local church. I don't know what input I had, but I don't think what I said was wasted.

Best comment I've read today

Remember just because you see someone come to Christ in front of you does not mean a God is working through you.

Amen. God’s word never returns void.

@@itsJPhere false, when we preach the gospel, it is God's word and since it is God's command He is essentially working though us. Get it? No way to spin that one my friend.

Typical atheist... Get used to it it's what they do every time when you debate them that's why I frankly don't talk with them at all anymore you can debunk what they say multiple times and it will continue to ask the same exact questions over and over and over and over again. They're also the biggest hypocrites on the face of the Earth they'll sit there and say morals are subjective from one side of their mouth and they're from the other side of the mouth argue with Christians or people that are religious about why they're wrong for believing what they believe.

Flip, flop.

no, he did not. He was consistent all the way.

And here in the US, Eric Smith, about 13 years old killed 4 year old Derrick Robie. He was recently released from prison after a few decades in prison. Here Eric was the target of bullying, and then he became a murderous bully.

Mr Marwood……you’re so right. That case was obscene beyond words.

​@@DeeAnderson-oj2hrParis Bennett. I don't want to even repeat what he did to his four year old sister here because it's horrific

ok. so you have 1 case of violent kid vs millions of kids that arent..

@@matswessling6600 I take it you've never spent any time around children.

"Do you lock your door at night" - Ravi Zacharias

That guy said when have you ever seen a kid kill someone? He has clearly never heard of kids who killed their parents or the most evil children in history. Or perhaps never heard of ROBERT THOMPSON and JON VENABLES and what they did. That guy needs to have a seat and shut it. People like him are a disappointment in society. it’s as if he lives under a rock. And then he still has the nerve to get all feisty.

Who doesn't?

@@juniorsir9521 he needs enlightenment not backlash

Ooo thats a good point!

There is no objective morality unless god exists...what does that mean?

@@truesoundboy1 it’s means where do we draw the perfect standard of morality from if there isn’t a perfect God to draw it from.

@@chechains we draw it from reason as we have always done...give me an example of this objective moral standard please

@@chechains Show examples of this unique objective moral standard that god exemplifies please and how is this god perfect...show me

@@truesoundboy1 nobody has a obligation to show you and I don't have a snapchat vid of Gods morality😂if I recommended a book. Would you read it? If so I recommend the bible wich states you Gods morality, if morality was based off a reason, lions would have morality because there reason of murdering another creature is simply eating, so to your standard it make no sense

Both can be “true”. To each individual it’s subjective. But society, the ultimate law giver, morality is objective, a set expectation and there are laws that impose expectations and punishments. Society is “objective” in the sense expectations and rule are imposed from the outside of individual impulse.

Whose society, though? Frank makes that point about Hitler's meaning early on. It's just as applicable, and as easily understandable on that scale. It's just "the winner makes the rules" writ large.

@@msmd3295 Dude you double contradicted yourself right here, hope one day will realize that you weren't born from a stone and that avoiding moral law won't make it non-existent.

Or a Muslim or joins a cult 😂

U can still talk about children without having any

@@shadouxg7150 , true, but those of us who've had kids will make fun of those who haven't and still say things like, "Kids are good by nature." . Nope. Kids are good because of training they receive from their parents, family, teachers, coaches, pastors, and other influential adults. Even with abundant training, some kids are still nasty and rotten.

You need to have a child in order to examine how kids are like? Great logic there mister..

@@FactStorm I mean people who have kids are more experienced with them. Also, excellent logic by you.

@@yasiem6245 Nobody contested the experience with them.

🤣

Lol

TV is not a good babysitter

Or watched any type of forensic or crime show. His ignorance is astounding.

Children are the most evil creatures. They're a really good example of absence of morality. Because really until they get into teens they don't understand right from wrong. More of "what gets me punished and what doesn't"

@@RS54321 exactly, humanity is selfish, no one has to teach kids to fight over toys, or call things theirs when it’s not, or hit, throw, or bite people, or scream and kick and flail when they don’t get their way. Kids left to their own devices will do self-serving, eventually sinful, wicked, evil things. And the kids on those shows especially prove him horribly wrong.

And they're the teenagers that become bullies or slap you thinking it's funny.

You have taught me a great lesson, never seemed playing with my children from such POV.

You actually have anecdotal evidence of this. Alternatively are you just making up a story that you think sounds good.

@@alyoshapearce5985 Since I'm a Christian I care abou the truth and view lying as immoral so why would I make it up?

@@alyoshapearce5985go look up any clinical psychology research..kids boys especially need horse play it’s good bonding and is an outlet for aggression

Exactly! The difference with adults is that we've either learned to restrain ourselves out of love/respect for others, obedience to God, or fear of consequences. If children had the bodies of full-grown adults, it would be complete mayhem.

Do 1 year olds knowingly torture and murder people? I think that was probably more the point.

Not to mention how they, on their own, learn to manipulate, to lie, and even to be physically aggressive. They are incredibly selfish and demonstrate every single trait, completely unrestricted, we now relate to the fallen human nature. Of course, it is our job to teach them how to behave like a NON-fallen human, but you can be sure they will resist such education stubbornly.

Amen

@@greyspot00 You're so right, Kyle. I know this isn't the point you were making, but we saw actual adults behaving like tantrum-throwing children all through the summer of 2020 in cities like Portland and Seattle...Pushing, shouting, hitting, hurting, breaking things, stealing other people's property, lighting destructive fires, and even picking up weapons and killing other people. No love or respect, and no fear of consequences. Behavior that sprouted and took root from the tiniest little seeds of uncorrected selfishness and undisciplined emotions that first manifested when these adults were very small children. Without the love of Christ constraining us, there is no real barrier to keep any of us from descending into chaotic and destructive behavior, especially when our undisciplined and willful minds will not submit to the Lordship of Christ Jesus. Utter mayhem! Well said, Kyle.

If I’m not mistaken I think he was trying to say we wasn’t born that way we were taught that way if that’s the case then it is true

@@johnward2650 well the reason we are taught that way is because it’s morally wrong to kill someone and morality can only come from god, and not everyone is raised that way some parents tell their kids to go out and kill people, there’s a ton of gangs that probably teach kids how to live morally wrong

@@Mrgamezombie1 I agree everybody is not taught that way I’m trying to see where you are getting with this as far as responding to my statement

I want to see the follow up discussion

He wasn't a kid. At that point people hit puberty and according to Islam, puberty means that a person can now make his decisions. You also ignore a lot of mental health issues and abuse that must have been going on at his home.

Like most of these charlatans, Frank Turek uses religion to make money. If money were taken out of the equation he would dump his religion in a heartbeat. Look how rich he is. And ask yourself if a camel can go through the eye of a needle.

They end up undoing themselves. Hopefully they learn from it.

Frank is making some clever plays that they’re failing to pick up on. Franks arguments aren’t good but this guy is not rebutting very well

​@@Gumpmachine1isn't it amazing how there are so many fools that actually confront your opposition and yet you yourself who know so much better never make an effort.

@@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272 well that would be because firstly my geography doesn’t favour going to such events Secondly I use my intellect to make money and be successful with only a very small portion of it dedicated to these topics for entertainment purposes. This guy handles the subjective/objective morality argument very poorly, I’m happy to acknowledge that. Makes Frank look better than he actually is. He ceded the high ground without a fight

Yep. This guy isn't considering that kids always have an adult figure around to lead them. If not, i can't imagine what they'd do. He obviously has very little experience with children.

That sounds awful. I hope she outgrew that.

You and me both!😅🙌🙏

That is one of my favorite videos on subjective morality

🤭 puts his arguments to rest

YES! That would've been an excellent question!

cyberxspeed My wife wants to lock the door at night, but I often forget, and we live in a place where only 1% or so of the population is Christian.

He wasn't well-prepared to answer the question. Frank Turek is a lot like Ben Shapiro--he mainly debates ill-prepared college students because they can easily be owned and it makes him look better.

@@dinohall2595 Frank Turek has debated well-known and respected atheists. He discusses these issues with young people because he truly wants to change their thought process, not because he's afraid to debate Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins. They are more likely to learn from him rather than resent him for presenting information in a different light.

@@dinohall2595 Isn't it amazing? When someone reject religion they're considered "free thinkers", "smart" & all other beautiful words in the word. When they're questioned about the worldview they hold then all over sudden experts must be involved. Typical.

Yeah, he's an excellent example of how people truly are not interested in getting to truth anymore, they're interested in pushing their own agenda at all cost. This guy changed his position on the existence of objective morality three times in about 2 minutes to save face and not be proven wrong, stunning.

@Root 66 You said: "What does the life of a long forgotten slave in the Hittite Empire who was killed one morning for stealing from his master thousands of yrs. ago matter?" You do realize you might be talking about your great-great-etc. grandfather, right?

u thirsty son

Their existence must also mean Zeus, Horus, and Odin must exist too.

@@haileyjohnson5935 ... Your statement is flawed on so many levels. The pagan deities you mention are NOT separate from the created order... ALL of them, in the mythological stories about them, are CREATED beings. ALL of them have origins. So, that means that NONE of them can explain the origin of the universe, the laws of logic, the origin of time, the origin of material, the origin of life, the moral law, objective truth, etc... NONE of them. Aside from that, you and I both know that you are INTENTIONALLY being too cute by half with that nonsensical redefinition of atheism. Not believing in a story, or the being upon which the story is based, that isn't rooted in a historical time and place with corroborating eyewitness testimony, in ACTUAL temporal history, is NOT the same as rejecting the valid evidence for a Creator of all things. There is ZERO comparison between Odin or Zues, and Yahweh.

Why do you feel we MUST have a meaning to exist?

@@Qred09 If there's no meaning, then there's no reason to care about anything. I care about things. Therefore I believe in meaning.

@@sivad1025 i believe theres a reason that we exist(we exist because these things happend). But we dont exist for a reason (we exist to do this). If that makes sense

Being from England that's the first thing that came to mind although I forgot their names ,,,,, so long ago now .

Yes! This needs to be shouted out...

Yeah and he clearly hasn't heard of puberty lol

I think it's safe to say that adults do wicked things far more often than children.

@@brendanl2580 That was never in dispute! Listen to the video...

Brando he’s probably just a kid himself....teenager probably

Brando I am not sure if I hope he never does or maybe that is exactly what he needs. I have found that many hard atheists don’t have kids. Why?

​@@bassmanjr100 Many people who who you might describe as "hard atheist" are formerly religious. If you have a family, there's a lot of pressure to stick with your publicly stated beliefs. It's simply easier to make that transition, at least publicly, if you are single. That being said, there are plenty of atheists with kids. Check out the channels Prophet of Zod, Paulogia, PineCreek, etc.

I'd bet my bottom dollar that he locks his door at night

That doesn’t make his arguments any worse

Your going to have to teach a child period (.)

You don't have to teach a child to share, they know the value of sharing innately. Kids share without being taught all the time, even animals do it. The fact that it needs to be reinforced sometimes doesn't mean it's a foreign concept.

@@BrianBadondeBo children have to be taught not to be selfish because that's all they know coming out of the womb. Everything is about them as a baby, because it is. They are the center of attention or else they won't survive. As they start to grow more and more, we slowly teach them that it isn't all about them anymore. Children by nature are very selfish but that's completely normal until they are raised up properly.

@@hunterhestekin7420 oh please no one who has ever used that argument has really thought about it. Why would you expect babies to be altruistic? What could a baby even DO to be altruistic? Babies are helpless, they can't help others, they can't even survive on their own, literally selfishness is the only way they can preserve their own lives. We don't hold babies to the same social standards we hold each other to, because we'd be cruel idiots if we did

I don't think one can be educated beyond their intelligence. I don't know how you came up with this logic. It was definitely was beyond your intelligence that's for sure.

Only because God put it there.

@@danielespitia1776 Indeed.

Love your neighbor as yourself was a command from God. Usually people have to be told what to do because they’re either not doing it or not doing it correctly. Humans are selfish hence the need to be constantly reminded to treat people better than myself.

Right, even Jesus told us to love one another and to forgive each other, which is contrary to our nature😭

nice quote. Can you show who wrote the bible and where it was written to verify it's true?

@@alanbaraka9800 Yeah, we actually can, dude. This is old, old news. I'm not going to sit here and provide the plethora of sources because you could very easily find them yourself in minutes, but you instead choose to feign ignorance for sake of being argumentative on a RU-vid comments section. Get real.

Prayer is life autoerotic. It works for you. It can works for someone who know what are you doing. But in the end you won't increase probabilty of something happening.

@@alanbaraka9800 Knowing who wrote it doesn't validate the content.

““If a man beats his male or female slave with a club and the slave dies as a result, the owner must be punished.” ‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21:20‬ “But if the slave recovers within a day or two, then the owner shall not be punished, since the slave is his property.” ‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21:21‬

You know you’re losing a debate when you disagree with your own point

I don't think he even knew what that meant. He's pretty young and inexperienced and was probably just starting to question these things for the first and probably already has different views about it than he had when it was recorded.

Atheist always contridict themselves because their whole Idealogy is contridicting!!

@@piijay14 How is atheism an ideology? It is a lack of belief, not a belief.

@@JohnDoe-fg9ng Wrong! Atheism is indeed a faith! Faith that is base on ones own ideas, governed by their own flesh! All of which is 'Hostile according to 'Romans 8:7

Wow. That's dead-on right. The young man did indeed cite human nature several times. If we're simply blobs of meat then how could we all share the same, "human nature?"

XHuntinatorX I was like you once so I won’t be hard on you.

Yea I'm quite saddened and really hope he comes to know Christ.

how do you know that's truth you are talking about..?

@@jayantekka6238 because Jesus says I am the Truth. (John 14,6) And there is only one truth

he might need guidance.

miguel cunanan Now that sounds like JP Moreland. Well done! If we can get people to examine their own ideas for coherence or lack there of we can start to get them moving toward some level of rationality.

BUDDHISM GANG RISE UP 🇺🇸🚜

I would love an explanation to justify your claim here.

@@jameswatkins7763 lol are you serious? Its self evident. Atheists are people so poorly trained on logic that they think their person failure to grasp a concept amounts to an argument against the concept. It's like a child telling you rocket science is not true because he cant understand basic mathematics.

@@stevedoetsch If I give you an equation and ask you to calculate it, assuming you understand how math works, you'll always get the same answer. It doesn't matter what mood you're in, what race you are, which religion you believe in, who your parents are, etc. And if you don't get the right answer, math gives you a framework to determine exactly what you did wrong. This makes math objective. On the other hand if I ask you to determine if a given statement or action is moral, your answer may be different if you're Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, Baptist, Jehova's Witness, Church of England, Lutheran, Eastern Orthodox, non-denominational, or anything else. Not to mention all other life experiences that affect moral values. This is obviously subjective. What people like you try to say is "I know the right way to interpret God's will for mankind. Therefore, my moral values are perfect, so morality is objective." You think you're right and everyone else is wrong. You're so conceited that you blame atheists for not knowing logic, when you obviously have a tenuous grasp of the subject yourself.

Which god?

Christ our Lord

@Logan Arendt And then you're annihilated at death and everything you've seen, done, learned and experienced disappears with you. After enough time has passed, it'll be like you were never born. Whatever you were or whatever meaning you assigned to your life will be forgotten in time. Meaningless. IF there were no God. Because there is, you'll be judged and punished for your sins against Him. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ for mercy.

@@TomAnderson_81 You came to a Christian channel and you don't know? I trust that with a little more time you can put that puzzle together.

@@TomAnderson_81 Which Tom?

What if sin is learned?

He said children don't do the wicked things adults do, children still do wicked and I believe he's right on that.

@@jayoh112 What is the youngest age a child can sin at? Crimes against children don't count obviously.

@@FaySwine Children know more than you think. I know this as a 14 year old boy. I'm not on the atheist's side, although it may seem that way. There's a difference between the age of accountability, and doing wicked things. If the child understands a specific sin and knows right and wrong from it, and yet still does wrong, they shall account for their sin. The age of accountability is different for every human, there are a lot of people that mature quickly. Even if a child was not aware that murder is just straight up wrong, does that make it any less evil?

@@jayoh112 I'm more agnostic, and respect scripture, but have some problems with some conflicting or counterproductive Christian norms. My answerer is that children are less responsible for the environments they make. Children can become spoiled, but enabling or entitled parents is the real issue. An adult with a child's mind can do more damage.

Except of course that this discussion had nothing to do with the existence of any god.

@@dinohall2595 Killing wouldn't be wrong if there was no God. No God, no morals. Thats it no arguing against it. You known it's true, don't deny it. People just belive what they want to belive. Don't be like them.

Momir Cvjetkovic Who decides what’s bad and what’s good? Objective morals can not exist without God, only subjective morals.

Illy Wing Can you explain why slavery is bad? That’s owning and beating other people.

There's none so blind as those who WON'T believe...

Omg yes. Isn't it funny how he uses the phrase "nature of God" in his definition? Like, I dont think you got that from Merriam-Webster.

Christianity "borrowed" the principle from Confucious. Now replace Hitler with god in Turek's example and what would your answer be? Of course you would have to say it is moral as all your morals are subject to gods whims. The god of the bible not only condoned rape, slavery, incest, genocide, infanticide among numerous other atrocities he demanded them

@@kelvinloeb812 You're just rambling nonsense.. i guess u have a free will to do that

@@TonySnarf Nice refutation of the facts.and complete avoidance of answering the question. In your world you have free will because your boss insists you have it

@@kelvinloeb812 with all due respect my friend im not here to entertain u or dance to ur tune.. if u want to genuinely educate urself then go ahead, or if u want to make lazy hatefully motivated comments then go ahead too, i honestly dont care either way.. i do recommend the former.. u have the free will to choose.. good luck

@@TonySnarf Too funny. First you call someone out on social media claiming that what he says is is based in Christianity and when I educate you that Christianity "borrowed" it from somewhere else and pose a question to you you just change the narrative to something else. I wonder why? Nothing I said was hateful. Too bad that we cant have "discussions with respect and honesty".

Ravi said that? It's so true It's hillarious!

so you don’t eat your neighbors because you fear God?

@@sad-pt7xd It's not that people don't eat their neighbors because they fear God necessarily, but it's more that you can't say that YOU wouldn't be eating your neighbors too if that's what you were taught. If morality were truly dependent on the individual, then how can anyone even say what's truly "human nature"? Human nature would be whatever we're taught to do.

Justine Spink But God brings the same problems, he says don’t kill but he flooded the world to kill people. Even if God exists, morality is subjective. Besides cannibalism isn’t always wrong, if a person is stranded on an island and their friends died and now he is alone with no food, is it immoral to eat his friends?

@@sad-pt7xd I wasn't making a statement about whether cannibalism was bad under every circumstance. God judging the sins of the world doesn't make morality subjective either.

Why? They wouldn’t have the same intelligence and if they did, they wouldn’t go around shooting everyone

A real history book would be "Mein Kampf" the "Communist Manifesto" and "Little Red Book." History books in school and in general are lies unless looked at by the source. The Bible is the only real history book that I think matters.

The history of the world, including the Bible, is filled with mankind being anything but good.

@@ozarked2363The heart of man is definitely "desperately wicked"

@@samuelhunter4631 and deceitful Above All Things

@@ozarked2363 that's right if Man left to his own device, especially in times of war or strife and poverty shall be seen when Man devolves to that of beasts. Histories has been written so.

Peter Burman Nice to know that your God’s proudest creation is inherently evil.

@@charliecharlie846 that's not an insult to God. He gave us free will and we chose evil

@@peterburman5193 Well of course God didn’t give us anything since he’s not real but if we do have free will then how can God already know what choices we’ll make before we make them?

@@charliecharlie846 because He’s God.

@@wingsfk I love that response. It has the same argumentative weight as ‘because I said so’. Unfortunately I was looking for a genuine suggestion not a god of the gaps.

joe mcmillan because he doesn’t want to

Jack Of All Trades nice try lol

Jack Of All Trades so are you implying that a person can go further in “spirituality” once they leave religion? Cause that’s a huge stretch

Jack Of All Trades I asked you a simple question that apparently you can’t answer. It’s pretty obvious who’s not using their head

Jack Of All Trades hahahahahahaha fair enough coward

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That's awesome! I'll be praying for you to continue the missionary!

He learned mostly from books but forgot to experience actual life.

Jesus needs to do what needs to be done.

Want to see what we as humans are capable of? Watch a documentary called: New Mexico State Penitentiary Prison Riot 1980. Also: Death In A Southwest Prison. For 36 hours, the forces of Hell were unleashed.

I grew up in the eighties and nineties to in the murder capital of the world I never saw any children killing so where did you read these fantasies

@@brianhults4911 fantasy? Have you ever herd of school shootings and gang violence it’s legit all young kids it’s still happening to this day 😂 tons of raping in high school

Those two were in a hallucinatory state. It's recognised as a mental disease

3 year olds are children. Why do you assume he meant older children who SHOULD be old enough to figure a few things out? Because religious nuts can't or won't use critical thinking, especially to see how they are being fooled...even though it is obvious!

@@jeffjones3040 not assuming anything. The guy said children and an example with children was given..with the mental capacity of people it surprises me that the government considers 18 years old as adulthood when the brain is still maturing well after untill like age 24 or 26 or something and even then plenty of adults still act like kids. You would think adults would no better but they are just as bad.

@@maow9240 careful you are using Caesars laws and traditions to judge a religious moral ethical question. 12 are not the little children and are well past the knowledge of good and evil, the age of reason. At least the person speaking a courteous debater. He was not a smug empty ambusher.

@@STho205 just making an observation.

Privileged White American kid who doesn't know the World.

Or, have given them $20 and they went straight to a "package" store. It cuts both ways.

Or in the first place, many homeless people become homeless because of their own wrongdoings! We are fallen creatures, we can't pretend that we're holy and pure. We have to seek salvation through Christ so that we CAN be holy and pure.

@@XLEZZY_REUPLOADS You should really rethink what you just wrote. The kid with cancer, did that child do wrong? The person who isn't paid a fair wage and works 80 hours a week, that's their fault? What about the rich person who has everything and is completely healthy but they gained their money through child sex trafficking, I suppose they're being blessed?

@@hd-mot thats why we say this is an imperfect world. There is so many sufferings in this world. But that doesnt prove god is bad because jesus clearly says wht ever happening in earth has an end. There is a life after death and there will be no more pain in that life.. And remember his ultimate command love one another.if peoples obey that command am pretty sure 99% of suffering will remove from this world. He gives an absolute solution to that. But unfortunately peoples dont understand it. Jesus loves u💖

We are actually good by nature we are bad now bc of Adam but if he had done right we will all be good by nature bc everything God created is good the problem is Man was good until he turn bad and now we are recycling bad but we have someone that’s fina come alone and restore things bk they way they should

@@Charles.Wright don’t understand what you are trying to say

Bulshit we are social animals how do you think our ancestor get along befor jebus or those who had a other belief system went along? Humans arent per se bad or good. Something good in 17 century is maybee bad today. Morality IS subjective

The thing is, war is a conflict between governments, not people. If you ask a soldier if they want to go to war, they will likely say no

Is this God's Perfect Divine Plan? If this history we are living with its wars and human suffering is not God's Plan then whose Plan is it?

Delusional Sexy Pants And who runs the government smarty pants? PEOPLE do. (Plus, soldiers aren't forced to)

Mimi A. But in most countries military conflicts are dealt by one person. Most soldiers are forced to fight by the draft

@@sad-pt7xd that’s a terrible argument, there are many people who go to war to kill others in a calming way. Let’s be real bere

"nailed it" was an interesting choice of words, lol

"I believe God's meaning is objective" is your subjective opinion.

Incredulous Pasta, do you willingly believe in God?

Why not be polite to trespassers? God wants us to.

@@sharonr2121 I used to, but I don't anymore.

@Big Time God's meaning is subjective whether he is real or not. Objective meaning isn't even a coherent idea.

That’s just a lack of cognitive ability. Pushing a sibling hardly qualifies as evil, that’s just competition within a social species

If the intent is to do harm because after experiencing a similar pain to oneself, if that was his intent, then that definitely shows evil. Children are selfish, mean and brutal just like adults. The difference we pray is that moral parents are doing the job of controlling said children, so that they don't do these things as adults. Our daughter bit my wife once as a toddler. She got bit back immediately, associated biting w pain when used as a tool against another and hasn't bit anyone since. Problem solved.

Define good?

@@johnhammond6423 Really? You wanna play that game?

@@johnnyappleseed5029 don't bother

You’ll notice he doesn’t have the podium. Not home turf vs an older opponent. If you win every interaction, you lose.

My thought was they aren't behaving in a violent fashion because they've all been raised in a judeo-christian culture according to the values of God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit

@@qwertyqaz2227 agreed.

Emphasis on *soft spoken*

I see Frank, but where is his god? Where's Yeshua?

@@JamesRichardWiley Ummm, what would you like to see exactly, like Him standing in front of you personally?

@@JamesRichardWiley sir, I am afraid Yeshua isn't in His "normal" human state, He is risen long ago along with His body. He can exist in multiple places in the universe (all that there is) at a time and He can also NOT be inside Creation (all that there is)... If you expect Him to be at a specific place and time then he'd not be a true God.....

@@JamesRichardWiley (Addition to my comment) According to Bible and the Gospel accounts, He's at the right hand of God's Throne, unfortunately according to Judaism and Christian theology that's just another way to explain in (edit correct spelling - "it") to the people at that time, and it's not an actual real material throne made with diamonds/golds/gemstones or something else. It just means that He's with God and that God has given power to Him over all the heaven and creation. It was easy for others in ancient times because they were familiar with kings and kingdoms somewhat....... That's all for now... Have a nice day... And Feel free to ask any other questions you might have and I'll try my best....

Lol no dear 😂 its called "The ethic of reciprocity" and examples of it can be found long before Christianity even existed and throughout ALL societies. Indeed these examples can bee seen reproduced in the form of a huge poster at the headquarters of the United Nations.

Yeah give him some Bible morality such as this - “If a man beats his male or female slave with a club and the slave dies as a result, the owner must be punished.” ‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21:20‬ “But if the slave recovers within a day or two, then the owner shall not be punished, since the slave is his property.” ‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21:21‬

MrLightning20 Well, your being Subjective for sure! I encourage you to read the other 65 books of the Bible starting with the Gospel of John. Respectfully yours

BirdogEd I didn’t give you any of my opinions on this verse, you just said I’m being subjective after I quoted it. Am I being subjective if I quote John 3:16?