A Point About Medieval Blackened Armour

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A response to Matt Easton of Schola Gladiatoria, offering some further information regarding blackened armour during the Medieval period, specifically focusing on Mercenaries during the late 14th Century.
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Комментарии : 38

@kcnmsepognln 4 месяца назад

I suppose it's because we rarely see blackened armour in films etc (unless it's to make a dramatic point), that I assumed polished armour was "normal" (for want of a better word). But your explanation makes perfect sense. If you're leading a band of mercenaries that you've armed, a-looting and a-pillaging across the land, then more practical considerations than looking hawt come into play.

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 месяца назад

Well it's also key to note that the Victorians are largely responsible for all the shiny polished armour that we see today - they used to polish armour fit for museums since they believed that people ouldn't want to see painted or blackened armour. Plus they liked the "King Arthur and the shiny knights of Camelot" stories since it fit in with their Imperialism... So I guess we will never know how much armour was actually blackened during the medieval period :O

@kcnmsepognln 4 месяца назад

@@AlexTheHistoryGuy Ah! "The Victorians"... [sigh]

@dmr6640 4 месяца назад

It would be great to interview Toby Capwell for arms, armor and jousting. Your explanation of the blackened armor make a lot of sense. Are there examples in medieval history of doing this?

@sowianskizonierz2693 4 месяца назад

Great analysis. I appreciate the effort you put into adding knowledge to lesser-known medieval topics.

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 месяца назад

Thank you, that's what my channel is all about :)

@calhoon1113 2 месяца назад

you're telling me I season my cast iron the same way you blacken armor

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 2 месяца назад

Haha apparently so! I guess the reasoning is the same.

@philipsmith7913 3 месяца назад

Absolutely logical - saving money and time. An excellent assessment.

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 3 месяца назад

Thanks I appreciate that - I worked at an armoury for a year and I can confirm that blackened armour was a decent amount cheaper and quicker to make

@staceygallard7999 4 месяца назад

Love your channel and love medieval history 😊

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 месяца назад

Much appreciated:)

@bobbyjeffsupremelordofcraz3532 27 дней назад

Two quick questions: Would mail have been blackened in the same way? And what event was the re-enactment footage you showed from?

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 27 дней назад

As far as I'm aware we dont have any concrete evidence that maille was ever blackened. It makes perfect sense as blackening helps protect it from the elements and inevitably rust - but the maille doesn't rust when worn due to the motion of movement when being worn rubs the rust off automatically before it has time to form. The footage is mainly from various reenactment events such as Barnet and Tewkesbury in England, I film everything myself so I travel all over the UK in my spare time to capture the footage.

@jamesrobins8776 4 месяца назад

love your videos dude

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 месяца назад

Ayy thanks mate I really appreciate it

@SpillTheMead 4 месяца назад

BLACK. ARMOR. We love it.

@Pentagathusosaurus 4 месяца назад

Would mail have been blackened too?

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 месяца назад

This is something I haven't personally researched so I only have second hand knowledge from other people - but apparently yes, maille was sometimes blackened. Again, this was supposed to prevent rest and I personally own a maille hauberk and can confirm it definitely does prevent rust as I've used my hauberk at events for 4 years and never needed to clean it. Although saying that, a normal maille shirt is weirdly self-cleaning as when you wear it, the maille links rub against each other to clean the rust off. So as long as you're wearing it often you shouldn't have to clean it anyway unless you find yourself in a pool of water somehow. Regarding what they used to blacken it - I'm not sure. Possibly linseed oil, possibly a firm of black tar, I haven't looked into it.

@Pentagathusosaurus 4 месяца назад

@@AlexTheHistoryGuy Yeah I'd heard of mail being self cleaning which is partly why I asked. Do you know if the the blackened finish would also be degraded in the same way rust on mail is?

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 месяца назад

Tbh I'm not sure, I believe my personal maille is chemical blackened in a modern way so that stays on. I'm getting new maille soon so I could perhaps test it in the future :)

@SuperFunkmachine 4 месяца назад

@@Pentagathusosaurus The black layer would be worn off but in the same areas that wearing mail self cleans. Mail is only party self cleaning, in areas where the rings don't rub it will get dull and rusted.

@timmoran9378 23 дня назад

@@AlexTheHistoryGuy I blackened a maille coif using the oil over flame method. The results were good for a time, but eventually the maille rusted and very much did *not* self-clean (despite twice-per-week use in combat practice). It proved impossible to re-blacken adequately due to pitting, even after burnishing in a sand tumbler. I eventually had to discard it because, each time it was hit, a rusty cloud would emerge. My experience only, and not a claim to historical practice.

@mohamed-fb9vt 2 дня назад

Did medieval soldiers paint Thier armour ?

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 2 дня назад

Yes indeed they did! We even have a few original surviving pieces such as Sallet helmets from the 1490s which had marvellously ornate paint jobs on them. Google "Leeds Royal Armouries black sallet" for an example.

@davidcrisell9679 9 дней назад

Hello, I have an armour question if I may?

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 9 дней назад

Go ahead!

@davidcrisell9679 9 дней назад

@@AlexTheHistoryGuy Would a sallet be worn in conjunction with a torse/Orle and/or a mail coif under the helmet?

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 9 дней назад

Most likely not. Maille coifs were mainly from the 11th - 14th centuries, sallets generally 1460s to 1600s so by this time, maille standards (collars) had taken over the role of the coif. So no, I would not wear a coif with a sallet. You can buy a really good 6mm riveted flatring maille standard for about £200 from Habibi Armoury on Facebook who I HIGHLY recommend. My standard is from him and he is amazing at his craft.

@davidcrisell9679 9 дней назад

@@AlexTheHistoryGuy Thanks for that, regarding the torse/orle would the y be fitted? I've seen them on kettle hats of a type.

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 9 дней назад

Orles and torses are more of a personal thing by the 15th century so yes, I'd be fine with this DEPENDING on your status. What kind of soldier are you looking to portray? Levy/career soldier/professional mercenary/man at arms/knight/noble?

@romans883 27 дней назад

How do you blacken your armour ? I hope not by spraying it black with paint lol

@AlexTheHistoryGuy 27 дней назад

No no of course not! I used boiled linseed oil which is burnt into the metal after I've sanded off the scale.

@romans883 24 дня назад

@@AlexTheHistoryGuy WHERE DO I GET THIS LINSEED OIL AND HOW DOES IT WORK ? I GOT FEW SETS OF MEDIEVAL ARMOUR AND I WOULD LIKE TO BLACKEN ONE ! soz 4 caps Im excited to try this !