Drivers were: Alan Hall (Newcastle). (Had to travel as PASS back to Newcastle). Nicholas Wilson (Doncaster). (Phoned Neil Castle to come with 67022). Neil Castle (Doncaster). (Took the failed train back to Bounds Green).
An unusual event at York well captured Trevor. Me and Allan will be at York Thursday (4 Dec) to see the A4. Hope to see you if you are there. Cheers, Jeff.
I am no Leci Trevor , but think that was the wisest move to take out of Service ..just a pity it could not be repaired in situ ..good old 67 to the Rescue ...Dave
***** Thanks Dave,Apparently the bloke from East Coast told me that the bit of wire could have caused the Railway thousands of pounds had it got snagged on the overhead wires at speed.No wonder they took it out of service,Cheers.....Trevor.''
An interesting video Trevor. I witnessed almost an identical event with a class 91 about two years ago in the very same spot and that was a piece of wire just like this one. It also resulted in the train being taken out of service. I did video it but don't think I posted on RU-vid. Cheers - Allan.
allan5919 Pity you didn't put in on the Tube Allan,Would have liked to have seen that.Didn't film the passengers been de- trained as a lot weren't happy....Trevor.''
Strange how they were able to remove the wire, then decided to withdraw the train. I can see why it couldn't carry on with it dangling like that, it could have caused a flashover and knocked out the power supply. In BR days they'd have just yanked it out and sent it on its way! Theses days TOCs have no reservations about making passengers change trains.
They will have more than likely dragged it to Neville Hill, and the reason they took it out of service will have been to check to see if there was any damage to the pantograph
I agree, It looked like a 'dropper' wire to me. Connects the top Catenary wire to the contact wire and it could have collected it anywhere between there and Kings Cross!
Trevor, we owe a lot to you and guys like you who have filmed these scenes to document history. I never tire of watching your videos. I adore the class 91 and as you know my layout is based on the era when the 91's were brand new. In fact the latest Cavalex models 91 CAD renders have been released. They look amazing and will finally give me a good detailed 91 to run on my layout. Check the video out, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-arvKTOOjt98.html Cheers. Dave
This is what you get when you such a fragmented rail infrastructure, years ago a Diesel loco from York shed would have been stuck in front after the Electric was pulled off. Things like this are just not planned for, I suppose if it had been the new Hitachi trains which are diesel/electric combination wouldn't have been able to go in Diesel only mode because of the flying cable getting caught.
This is indicative of the unnecessary fucking around of the privatisation era. Rather than taking the train out of service, simply drop the 91 in a siding and allow the 67 to take the train onward,but that's too simple for today's railway operators.
I don't think so, the pole used is a special insulated one, exactly for use in these situations (or so I imagine). Also notice how he rests the pole against the metal body of the loco before touching the pantograph.
Danny Read Hi,Glad you liked the video of the Class 91.Dont know what they call the music but it was free in i Movie which is on my Apple Mac Computer if thats any help to you.....Trevor.''
Oh, it was them being worried about DAMAGE TO EQUIPMENT that made them take off the passengers and not just send it down the line? ROFLMAO. Why am I not surprised. It's the U.K. EQUIPMENT IS EXPENSIVE. Peasants are cheap.
And if it had had damage to the equipment, then further down the line, the pan could've literally pulled the overheads down. Result instead of just one trainload of passengers getting delayed, the whole line is closed.
Well the Westerns and Warships weren't technically... Although I do agree with you; As an American, I love how creative some of these UK designs are, like the 91's driveshaft system, the class 58 overall, the Intercity 125/class 43s (Which is something Amtrak desperately needs here!) and even the APT-P.
While I admit that America could do with better passenger trains, the railways just aren't up to the task. You'd benefit with high speed rail a lot more than relying on conventional track.
Turbostar agree, stupid VTEC does not know how to appreciate a fine-looking train. Not just fine by the looks, also fine by the designs. 140mph, high-power locomotive, refitable for tilt, one of its type serving on only one route. It's a good train in conclusion
Never did like these cheapo push-pull things. As a former driver on the Southern I often wondered what happened if the DVT hit something and derailed. Or if the loco dropped its guts and died. This 91 and coaches are even painted silver, like flying dustbins !
Yes that was one thing I didn't like about the Class 370 ATP-P with both power cars in the middle, meaning the front car would be too light in the event of a collision which is not that unlikely since the track wasn't a dedicated high speed one without level crossings.
Although a whole load of issues unique to steam traction could have happened instead and we could sit here saying 'Never would have happned with electric'
They should do like NY and implement a 3rd rail system and eliminate that complex pantagraph rubbish. And have the 3rd rail with a flangeless wheel to pick up the current instead of a shoe for high velocity travel.
+Bassotronics 3rd rail only allow up to a certain voltage and therefore only give a certain amount of power. Definitely not enough for high speed trains like this one. NY subway has 625V DC whereas here there are 25'000V AC.
coconut_ pie umm no. you are wrong. the class 43 is an Intercity 125. AKA the HST. a class 91 with a full rake of MK4s and a DVT on the back is the Intercity 225
coconut_ pie but what Jack said was that he prefers HSTs compared to 225s. and i made the joke that they are HSTs because THEY ARE HSTs (High Speed Trains). but i know what he means because when someone says "HST" we all think of the 43 and a rake of MK3s
