Elite perimeter defenders Bird was going up against in the 80s; Alvin Robertson, Bobby Jones, Dennis Rodman, Michael Cooper (he guarded Bird), Paul Pressey
Ur naming guys 5 inches shorter than him if u talking about who can gaurd him. If u talking about his comp to make all defensive teams u named 2-3 guards
Curry haters swear he has no skills other than shooting. Dub on here lying like he always just play in space like teams dont send multiple defenders at him
I've been convinced that there's people who honestly just don't understand what Curry is doing on the basketball court. They're far too used to their favorite players spamming pnr and not moving off the ball.
@@calmdownbruh8518 Could you explain why KD outplayed curry consistently in ALL 3 Playoffs run together? I need something more than the “gravity” excuse as to why he’s always getting outplayed
@@Thanosdidtherighthingkd outplayed curry because he couldn’t get doubled team playing with curry so durant could play 1v1 where his game is elite. You see what happened when he played Celtics last year and got doubled in get locked his ass up 🤔
And it's not even close either. Larry is the better shooter, better team player, better IQ, better on defense in their primes. Larry was a high impact leader, KD isn't. KD is a great weapon, just not your best lead missile.
@@sparte6856smh, Larry was the triple threat master. Players feared his shot so much that they always went for his pump fakes, then he drove right by them.
For me personally one of if not the best ep on Open Gym watchin Low n Dub go blow for blow strike for strike was entertaining had me dyin @ work shoutout to the rest of the panel on Open Gym because they were all funny as well.
If the eras are so drastically different, where is the gap? It’s consistent that great players still play well in any era. In the early 90s, in birds final year, Bird was washed with a crippled back and couldn’t even practice yet he was still averaging 20 10 7 close to 50/40/90. Not hard to imagine that prime bird would have put up his normal numbers with good health. That’s the 90s talent vs a crippled bird. This same trend happens with all super stars with long careers. Kobe was able to put up the same numbers from 97 till the teens up to when he had major injuries. Where was the gap? If the talent improved so much, you would expect to see a decline as it was harder to play. Same thing with Lebron, in fact lebron is even putting up bigger numbers. Where’s the gap in talent improvement? This goes on with all great players, they continue the same success until they end up with a major injury or Father Time does too much damage. Outside of handling the ball Bird is a all around superior basketball player to Luka. Look what Luka is doing to the league. You never see a superstar fall simply due to competition, it’s always external factor. Bird was crippled and still put up numbers on prime athletic Scottie. Please explain to me whwre the gap superior talent?
you cant compare longevity betweens eras. Cause modern era got better medical, private jet , better training, advance science and etc and 80's alot harder fouls and battle bruising why players didnt have longer careers
The bad boy Pistons were a super team. They had three superstars. Four stars. Literally almost all of the best role players in the league on the same team. A stretch 5 that was also an elite defender. A great system on both ends. Two at minimum twenty point scorers. And their best player was a top 5 player in the league. That is the definition of a super team. They also had two of the best scoring bench players in Vinnie Johnson and Mark Aguirre.
@@Xanax88653 there is watching games. Then there is watching film. He sees the game, but probably has never played or coached to be able to understand the complexities of a players impact above stats. Watch Larry’s first series. He may have scored 8 points. Watch him on the floor and how he is the catalyst. Take him off the floor and they suffer. It’s a team game. A lot of those older players were intelligent enough to realize if someone else was hot, let them cook.
@@Xanax88653that Nîgga do not be watching film Frfr to utter out his mouth that Bird never played high level basketball from expanded periods of time or whatever tf he said.
@@Thanosdidtherighthingand kd fans mad cuz he can’t win a ring without curry meanwhile curry won 2 rings without durchoke. Kd building superteams and still can’t make it to the finals 🤣
Dub is so annoying he will praise kd but tax curry for winning with curre but still give those same 2 rings to kd as if curry didn’t make kd life way easier
I can't listen to the young folks talking about cats they didn't see live. I hated Bird growing up but I have a great appreciation for his talent, winning mentally and drive.
These guys really don't know much of Bird's era. Bird was 2nd in MVP voting in his 2nd year, 3rd year, 4th year, MVP his 5th, 6th, 7th year, 3rd in MVP voting 8th year, 2nd in MVP voting 9th year, and he was 4th in MVP voting in his rookie year.
Bird is not a guy you check the stats on, you just watch him. He rarely ever held onto the ball more than 3 secs, he made such quick decisions and could get effortless and natural triple doubles. He was a master chess player while everyone was playing checkers around him. The white dude with very average athleticism dominated the NBA from 81' to 87', his 84-87 three year peak is all-time great.
@@QuestionEverything562 yep he was always 2-3 steps ahead of the opposition. Here was a guy who would tell the opponents the play before hand and still they couldn’t stop it. Even with a bad back he dominated. I remember in his last season against the champions Bulls the last play went to Bird and they had Pippen on him and Jordan came to double team and he still hit the shot. This was the injury riddled Bird. These young cats on this show don’t have a clue!!
Low trying to say Larry played with so much more talent than KD is crazy too. Don’t get me wrong the 80s Celtics squad was insane. KD has literally played with 3 different MVPs. Curry, Russ, Harden, Kyrie, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Devin Booker and Chris Paul is an absurd amount of talent to play with throughout your career. Has only ever won anything when signing with 73 win teams.
@@welkometodaparty4821 yes. Bird was a composite. He also followed the old philosophy of overdribbling is a waste of the shot clock and less effective. Moving without ball genius.
Draymond bread and butter 4v3 situations(throwing alley-oops & corner passes & backdoor passes) is literally a byproduct of Steph getting pressed in P&Rs Or I guess Dray had This craazy shooting threat and dribble package that we didn't noticed
You don’t know anything about 80’s basketball. Alex English was Melo without the hype. Mark Aquirre was a bucket, Nique, as Mars said, Bernard King was a going crazy, you go further into the 80’s with MJ, Zeke, Hakeem, Barkley. There were guys going absolutely crazy in the 80’s we don’t remember them bc Magic and Bird rendered them redundant
Low trying to say Larry played with so much more talent than KD is crazy hate lmao. Don’t get me wrong the 80s Celtics squad was insane. KD has literally played with 3 different MVPs. Curry, Russ, Harden, Kyrie, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Devin Booker and Chris Paul is an absurd amount of talent to play with throughout your career. Has only ever won anything when signing with 73 win teams. Bird turned a 29 win team to a 60 win team his first year, that 29 win team turned into champions by his second year.
@@amarionholmes1522 pretty sure he also said just “surrounded by more talent through their career”. That young thunder team had great pieces. Didn’t Ibaka have multiple all defensive first team selections? Russ high energy & effort always. Hell Perkins and Ibaka combined for 5 blocks a game, an extra block compared to Mchale and Parish best years. Fisher did his job as a backup and don’t sleep on my boy Thabo Sefolosha defense. Harden averaging 17, 4, 4 off the bench too that team was absolutely nasty
You not finna tell me ibaka n Perkins are anywhere close on defense as mchale n parish pls stop n he was talking about defensive talent Russ harden ibaka n Perkins are nowhere near the defensive talent bird had😂😂😂
LOW knows Bird's offensive impact, but he doesn't seem to acknowledge Bird's vast bball IQ and just overall team impact. Bird was so unselfish, and he was the greatest shooter of all-time before Curry took that crown from him. I'd still take Bird from three in the clutch for my life over Curry.
the irony that dub is saying curry needs all time spacing to operate is insane bc his favorite player hesi god tween tween himself kd only translate well 2 TIMES in the playoffs outside of golden state when he had all time great spacing lol
So if they’re both playing in the same circumstances on the same team , what’s the excuse for Steph getting outplayed by KD consistently ? Why did Steph miss the playoffs as soon as KD left ? Why did he need an elite defense to win a ring without KD?
@@Thanosdidtherighthing kd “outplayed” him because curry was drawing insane amounts of attention leaving kd in 1v1 situations and getting open looks. and he missed the playoffs because of a play in and it was literally him and dray and a bunch of G league players lol
@@Thanosdidtherighthing and u bring up elite defense and not bringing up in that playoff run he CARRIED offensively. and kd needs an elite defense too sooooo ur point?
@@Thanosdidtherighthing and curry is so skilled offensively that the warriors can run defensive slanted rosters with 2 non floor spacers in the front court and still be the engine for elite reg season and playoff offenses. not a lot of players who can do that in the modern era
Dub needs to stop this Larry hate is crazy, overrated? Please stop, you know who’s overrated DWade in your eyes thinking his peak is better then Stephs
If you are reading this and are currently questioning if Baseline Communication would be an important aspect of basketball then be quiet and let the grown folks talk. You don’t know basketball.
To appreciate Bird you have to be a hooper. If you haven’t played enough it’s impossible to recognize and appreciate the nuances bird brings. Court awareness, passing lane defensive awareness, hands, difficult shots. If you didn’t hoop you just see a pasty white guy that looks slow without acknowledging he was basically 6’10. Low is the perf example of this lmaoooo
@@bAkra60 I knew they lost in 82', but did not know they came back from 3-1 to tie it. Bird's Celtics were crazy resilient. Bird's teams on every level were winners, his IQ is maybe only matched by Magic's.
@@QuestionEverything562 I have been a Celtics fan since 1980 and that 1982 lost still burns me, because game 7 was at the Boston Garden and it wasn’t even close. I remember the fans in the arena with minutes to go shouting to Philly, “Beat LA”. I always rated Bird ahead of Magic because he could do everything Magic could do but his game expanded 30 feet out and Magic’s didn’t, plus when it comes to clutch he had no peer in his era. Remember in the 80’s they used to call the fourth quarter Bird time.
@@bAkra60 You definitely know your 80s Celtics. That G7 loss is eerily reminiscent of the G7 loss the Cs had against the Heat just last season. To come back from 3-1 down, then just get blown out in G7 in Boston.
Dub curry literally caused the whole nba to change because he was shooting 40 from 3…. The same would happen back then in the mid 2000s and they did not have the personnel to deal with curry at that time. 2:34:39
this generation is cooked, yall smoked, bird is number 1, Bird's rookie year changed the celtics to a +30 win team as a ROOKIE, don't listen to these dumb kids
Youngsters... gotta have their heroes I get it. I'll take the word of the players that went up against Bird's skill set. Your king Lebron puts Larry in his top three, Kareem says he's up there as the best he ever played against. As for the talent pool Bird went up against, you all better check that again.
This is why I unsubscribed. These guys remove ALL context from everything & say nothing but stats. Then they discredit stats and act like they know about players from 20, 30, 40 years ago 😂 Bird played against Rodman, Pippen, Dantley, Wilkins, etc.
Defensive liability? Effort matters. Bird has never been accused of no effort. Bird has 3 of the top ICONIC defensive plays of all time. Steal on Detroit ,steal against sixers 81 or 83, block on kareem in 84. How does a dude get 1 steal short of a QUADRUPLE DOUBLE in 3 quarters...3 quarters!! Considered a liability on defense.?? Bird was more of a pest on defense than Kevin Durant
Theres been a ton of dudes that were great scorers. Bernard King,Gervin, dr.j, MJ, Anthony,mcgrady, Kobe,Kareem, Shaq,Wilt, Durant is right in there. Who else is like these 4 players other than each other Oscar, Magic, Bird LeBron? These 4 are unique and rare. They are 30 years apart.
Excellent point by Dubb , Kobe played against some real killers & he was the best ! 7 Finals appearances with 5 rings. He was him , Bird is overrated. How was Bird ever the best when Magic went to 9 Finals in 12yrs 😮
Bruh come on now y'all need to stop this y'all been watching PC long enough to know that when come up to these shows you have to know what you talking about cause Marz Low Dub etc will embarrass you 😂😂😂😂Marz how are you going to let your manz get jumped like that...Dub was doing good until the end
Steph cant handle traps when thats the crux of their all time great offense is CRAZY. Where are the Draymond 4 on 3 situations off the steph/green pick and roll coming from? Lol
a sturdy killed them with that baseline communication....... you gotta be a ball player to know n say that in a discussion. panel tried to laugh it off
