A REALLY Weird PC… - System76 Thelio Review 

Make a ltt backpack

i dont have it myself but this video could use an eplispy warning.

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Where is msi dragon now

It's a nice looking box but speaking as someone who of necessity has struggled with Linux for 25+ years, and sincerely hates the OS, I really don't get who this is for... IMO people who use Linux fall in to one of two categorises: -Those who have to use it on occasion, and sincerely hate it for the horrible and unintuitive mess that it is in all it's forms once you scratch below the semi-inviting surface - proof you can polish a turd... but a turd is still a turd no matter how well buffed it is. -Those who get a kick out of being the master of the magic that is unintelligible to mere mortals. The former, like me, are probably using and designing custom hardware and are often saddled with Linux simply because it and it's dev tools are free and available. The latter would never buy an off the shelf system because building your own rig is all part of the magic-nerd persona. So a 'normal' user buy's this system and finds they can't do their 'normal' stuff with it... what next? Start down the rabbit hole of many, many, scattered and unintuitive config files and the unhappy necessity of a command line when such a paradigm was dropped by everyone else 20+ years ago in the hope of getting it to do the things they want? All while running the gauntlet of the RTFM brigade when confusion inevitably results in their asking questions? I would expect anyone unfortunate to buy one of these systems, either by mistake or because they actually want to get in to Linux but have already demonstrated their 'lack the fortitude' to even build their own system, will quickly shout "Nope!" and either sling the whole thing in a cupboard and go buy a 'proper PC' or bung a less aggravating OS on it.

He'd probably be complaining about the lack of the whole stack of proprietary software they need to run their business. Understandable of course, but not exactly a typical use case

@@Gaming4LifeDE Well as far as I remember, when he did the "iSwitched to Mac" series, he reviewed it as if he was a regular user or something like that. Like he didn't try to do video editing on it(though that's something very doable in Linux). Anyways, I'm not a Linux user myself, but it would still be interesting to see such a video, at least to me.

@@vesk4000 I gave up on M$ in 2009 and never looked back. Linux Mint Mate has got to be the most polished and dead-easiest distro there is. It even comes with it's own software manager for installing most-used programs. Yes, there's a lot of proprietary software out there that only runs on M$ but you can say the same about Mac-only software, too. Kdenlive is a free and open-source video editing software if that's your thing....and though I consider myself still a "basic" user, I've been able to dabble in Linux enough to get things to work without any huge issues. I'm self-employed as a residential computer tech and I can honestly say that I want to kiss this PC when I get home after a looooong day of troubleshooting all of the M$ disasters I see.

@@tracylf5409 if you're gaming, I'd suggest windows 7 with security patches and remove some "spyware" idk. its just faster to run games on windows bc of the optimization is good (english is not my first language) Edit: windows update made me lose my shit

@@lad2987 Linux is doing very well in the gaming area these days.

me in debian: haha yes compile gentoo!

Me in gentoo: yes please

I was thinking linux from scratch

I’m a windows user, but I’ve been experimenting with learning Linux (Zorin OS through VirtualBox at the moment) and MacOS (Catalina through VirtualBox). I feel like on some distros, like Zorin or Mint, anyone moderately skilled with Windows can run Linux without much effort and with a bit of googling.

I mean I do lmfao

Puppy Linux?

@@themasterofdisastr1226 yes but no... :-)

9:57 - 9:58 for me, Else was a lil confused at first

the goodest developer

@@syth-1 yep it's 9:57. I don't know why, but RU-vid showed me that value. Now I will fix it. Thanks.

Lmao XD

A doggo that can code

Lol

@@Smart.Potato he's robotic

I still have and use mine. The little flap for the ethernet port broke. I sent System76 an email and they sent me one gratis. I bought that computer in 2014 and they still have spare parts!

Now that's what I call good customer service

The strawberry*. (=ↀωↀ=)

>going down the penguin hole OwO

A non-English speaker would not have any idea what you're trying to say here :)

@@zaphenath6756 I think even some English speakers wouldn't even know.

@@zaphenath6756 Ok now i'm confused, LOL.

Depends on his position...

i imagine when they where taking photos "ow ow take a picture of the dog, that way they will know we're good people and they will trust us with there heart" scary how accurate yup

I bet he's their best programmer.

People still do it for security's sake. Also, it's very common to hear about it in the Linux community even when you ask around casually.

@@ShiroKage009 yeah but you don't "have to". He was using it as an argument for not moving to Linux...

gentoo still exists

@@jerryh559 The main barrier to entry is how often you have to mess with the terminal for shit like installing dependencies and fixing permissions.

Ya that comment surprised me as well.

@intrnl Resolve is color grading software first. No one on any project worth real money is grading in the Adobe suite. Resolve is nearly always used on every big budget project where the colorist and editor are not the same person, regardless of what program they are using for editing. If your end to end workflow is entirely in the adobe suite, or fcpx, you are still just a youtuber. The fact that resolve includes a great nle and a world class sound suite, and the whole thing is free, is just icing on the cake.

I've been on it for years. I can tell you that it is overall a better experience than Windows and close to the Mac experience.

@@desther7975 As a long-time Linux user, Mac drives me nuts. I get the supposed polish aspect, but using macOS means sacrificing way too much control for me. And the way software is managed on it is too ad-hoc, not automated enough, and there's not enough open-source.

@@xchanghox Thanks for the reference to Chris Titus Tech's channel! The sight of a happy Linux noob (especially when they're really diving in and learning) always warms a longtime Linux user's heart :-D

Fuck off kid. We don't want you normies on our OS

@Bersu Ryvec Linus has computers to drop, after all

@@roylastname9367 I have done as well, but my point was that I didn't have to 😀 Sometimes bleeding edge gets you nice things!

Even if you do need to build from source, it's not like it's difficult or requires any developer knowledge. Usually you run a couple make commands and you're done.

If your source files are good and don't have any weird dependency issues, "./configure && make && sudo make install" is the only thing you have to do 😀

Not difficult until you can't get a driver to work properly

I agree. Pop OS is replacing Ubuntu. Seriously, I installed it on my Lenovo Miix 320 tablet and touch works better than Windows!

Well you just saved me 11mins and 49 secs of my life. Tanx man! Hahah

Looked liked a standard backplane. What else is there to talk about?

@@ryanmccullough09 All the specs are downloadable without a NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. This means that no matter if you are using Window$, MacOS, BSD, Linux, FreeDOS, or MenuetOS, you can have a driver that is complete. Closed source drivers are to fool the customer, not the competition.

those are words I know... in an order that I dont...

@@ryanmccullough09 From there website "OPTIMIZED BY THELIO IO Thelio Io is a System76 designed chassis controller and hard drive backplane that moves proprietary functionality from the mainboard to the open source Thelio Io daughterboard. Moving chassis and thermal control to Thelio Io enables far more granular performance optimization. Motherboard data, fan speed, and GPU and OS data are used to coordinate optimal airflow. Thelio Massive also includes an open source System76 designed SAS backplane for high performance 2.5” PCIe storage." Would have been cool to see maybe a little more on how it works and how well it works.

If everything for windows was just as easy to use for linux id zwitch over in a second

What does FTW mean? i always forget. Yes I am fake I don't remember how to change the profile picture,who cares

Apple is supperior wtf

@@qwerasdfhjkio for the win

@@qwerasdfhjkio "FTW" means "For The Win."

Found Wendel's anonymous account

Same :/

Gian Villarini yessss I'm using it on my Dell XPS 15. Such a good OS

Mint here on an ancient Elitebook, and it runs flawlessly.

Abid Ashhar Unlike your grammar, you aren’t funny lol

It is funny tho :)

Xalzor Nope, it’s not

@@VBCVeryBigChannel triggered iSheep

@@VBCVeryBigChannel it is totally Fucking Funny! accept Apple didn't hold his beer too. Nyah!

How is the battery ? I was thinking about installing it on my uni laptop, but not sure.

@@BlackPeagas It's less system intense than Windows for most things, so the battery *should* do at least as well as Windows, but it's hard to say since so many things can factor into battery life.

@@BlackPeagas If Linux has all the drivers for your hardware, the battery should last a bit longer than with windows. If some driver that is important for the power management is missing, the power consumption can be much higher than with windows.

@@Puma2535 Yeah. The older the Thinkpad/Lenovo and the more AMD or Intel the HW is, the more likely it is that your system will have all drivers.

Its really great and battery is better than what it was for me on lenovo IdeaPad 320 (shitty laptop btw)

tomwol agreed

Yes whoever thought that looked good and then who finalised it must have their eyes painted on.

Lmao

Agreed.

Definitely. Made the resolution go down.

Most scientists seem to use Macs for their personal systems

Yeah this would fit right in, in my polytechnic colleges' CAD and work shops. They already run outdated linux boxes because the upkeep budget on them got slashed, so something like this might actually work well for them. Try getting old-timers to give up what their used to LOL, might be futile.

@@smorrow Interesting. Only seen a handful of macs around here, like 1 person in over 5 labs uses a mac. Most folks either a) stick to win systems and mostly send mail/browse/use statistica or excel or matlab or whatever or b) use whatever their lab hardware manufacturer gave them or c) run some linux distro if they write code any much.

​@@smorrow Academic staff get a discount on Apple hardware. Combined with a native desktop unix environment that doesn't suck, it makes sense.

@@KyussTheWalkingWorm, ‘a native desktop unix environment that doesn't suck’ - we’re still talking about MacOS, right? ;)

That's what I was just thinking! lol!

Not me because I'm from another country and this thing is pricey as fuck

First distro? I've never tried Pop. I've used a ton of others but not that one.

Eric Mewhort lol just wait a year or two, you'll go back, believe me. I'm taking from experience

@@EddieKMusicI'm also coming from experience. I've been using Linux since 08', I'm comfortable here. Zero interest in going to back to Mac OS and even less going to Windows.

Eric Mewhort Interesting. What are the main things you do on your pc?

@@EddieKMusic It's normal I guess you don't need Linux in your case, cause you're a producer. I am interested in producing too so I can't use Ableton or FL Studio on Linux. But I dual boot on my PC with Linux Manjaro and Windows. You can do this too if you're interested on using Linux just for other things and Windows for producing. BTW Love your songs keep it up dude what genre is that Progressive House or Psy-trance?

What happened to it?

​@@GabrielTobing I owned it for ~2 years. I moved all of my work to a macbook pro and flipped the 76 on ebay. Now, I'm windows 10 everywhere with windows subsystem running some x11 apps "native" and docker or vmware where necessary for work.

@@tbranch227 Oof.

Same!!

So H means perfect?

@SFS Atlas 'Telio' means 'perfect'. The H is just an H...

Therefore implying that the System76 "Thelio" is almost perfect, as it is one letter off from meaning "perfect".

Build your own, save literal thousands. I support American companies but their profit margin for a basic Mint build is insane.

@@DeadBaron you're right I could save money by building my own, but, to me, it's worth more than the sum of it parts.

@@DeadBaron ppl like system76 need our support to make their products cheaper. Its not easy to provide the kind of experience they provide if they don't have money to do it

Ive got a couple System 76 via work and have built multiple at home. I have been so impressed with their systems and love to support a great company. It's not Apple margins for sure so it's worth it to me.

@@DeadBaron Only well built laptops deserve you paying the design cost (not standard Clevo parts for certain). These PCs with standard parts thrown together deserve 0 money from me.

I find it pretty cool and didn't even notice it at first. But yeah, definitely should've lowered the flickering.

Calm down karen.

ubuntu is lame

@@firebadnofire9768 It used to be the best distro imo. It's fallen far.

I'm watching this on Windows xp and it runs..... NOSTALGIC!

The case is ugly, it just is. It right out of the ikea design book.

@@epiccollision what is ugly for you, for someone else might be beautiful, you don't speak the absolute truth, and saying it's ugly doesn't makes it ugly for everyone, also a prop design doesn't need to be an absolute masterpiece to look like one under certain environment designs. What you're talking about is subjective

@@epiccollision I love the case. I'm not sure if it would fit in with my office space, but it looks amazing.

Yes! It's really hard to look at. I came here to say this but found your comment instead

I agree also, that was 100% terrible.

Yes, please don't use it again. Good video otherwise though!

Yea I hope they don't use it again....that was obviously distracting

PopOS is bloat af. Install arch to get BTFO kid

@@yrgdrasil6403 at least its open source so you can more easily mod it to be less bloated if you want to.

@@yrgdrasil6403 I need more experience with the Linux environment before I get to the Arch Linux. Anyway thanks for the suggestion.

then everyone clapped

I use Debian BTW

Pro move!

@@LinusTechTips what does this mean,,

@@wockeyfilm 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@wockeyfilm Helping the channel by immediately clicking the video when we get a bell icon notification and playing the video in the background on our phones to help the video succeed. It was mentioned in the last WAN Show.

Deep in the pockets, we in here

Yeah the paused VHS background isn't necessary

I don't blame you😂️

Every time i hear or read System76 i hear in my head "... and PogoLinux". ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

@@azarilh2355 Also, Lulzbot.

Hello fellow Linux user ! I'm a 9 year Linux user and I bought their galago pro laptop and it's pretty cool :p cheers ! 🍻

Adam Queen excellent feedback but Arch is relatively simple as long as you follow the guide on their wiki and install the software you need out of the box to finish system configuration

@@swordkorn To be honest, I don't really remember how easy/hard installing Arch is. As after installing Arch, I didn't ever need to re-install Arch on my desktop/laptop/NAS. Even upgrading to extra SSD/data migration is all done online using LVM. Since it's so infrequent to install Arch, no matter how easy/hard installing is, it doesn't matter much. But pure CLI based installation indeed drives a lot of newbie away.

@hbt hbt everyone has his/her own workflow, but if you're already watching ltt/gn or even ahoc/der8aur, then i'd assume you would be more possible to care latest hardware support. Anyway distro is personal choice, feel free to use any you like. I'm just doing an assumption based on the ltt audience and my personal experience.

You also don't pay the Microsoft tax.

@@gnarlin4964 I would argue that the "tax" from Microsoft isn't one of actual money. The OS costs $200, and you don't usually see that cost in built systems (i.e. HP, Dell, etc.). The "tax" is one of privacy and it is hard to quantify the costs associated with privacy as every individual will value their privacy differently. Nevertheless, not having to deal with privacy issues with an operating system is definitely a bonus. Of course, that says nothing for the privacy over the Internet, but that is a whole other conversation.

Cheers to your soon-to-be Windows-free personal life! It's gonna be great :-)

@@bryanwithawhy The $200 Windows pricetag actually isn't in pre-built systems. Microsoft offers these manufacturers huge discounts in exchange for using Windows as their OS of choice. It's a good strategy, since it helps keep their market share high.

Skirt Skirt Yeet Yeet It got me to change from windows, so I’d say it does that.

@@pyro7497 I wish I started out with Pop instead of Mint tbh.

lol. Ar(s)ch or Gentoo or what? xD

@@Rob-cq1nf Manjaro gang.

I changed with Trisquel. Old pc needed something light. Lubuntu was too basic so settled for Mate and went to FSF. Saw trisq releasing new version and voila I am on the ship. It sails pretty damn good, I use it for all sorts of programming game Dev and playing games( something impossible actually if I used win)

hey, I'm building a new PC for the first time. It is a low end gaming pc with a 2200g for now, and then a 1650/570 a few months later. Would you recommend me Pop_OS rather than Windows 10 Trial?

I would always recommend Linux over Windows, unless you really need Windows only software. A lot of games play on Linux. But not all. And sometimes support is behind since it's community based, not by a company that made the game. Having said that there is plenty of great was titled that can be played on Linux.

Same

@@allenqueen I think if you're building out the system for gaming and you're not planning to use it for anything else, Windows is probably still your best bet. But Linux is free to use, so you can try it out, and if it's good enough for your purposes, you can save a few bucks on a Windows license.

@@allenqueen It's really a great time to be on Linux for gaming. If you can live without the titles that won't work yet, the pace of development for DXVK and windows games on Linux is truly amazing. I switched 9 months ago and every few months there are major improvements to frame rates and compatibility. I would not be surprised at this pace if in one or two years, just about every game that runs on windows also runs on Linux. It just keeps getting better and better.

There's really no downside. If you decide Linux isn't for you, you can just install Windows on it. You get a good machine, regardless.

Can i use it in 1 gb ram, old pc

@@jigggy320 Yes.

Hello there fellow LGR fan.

Greetings, and welcome to another LGR thing...

Seconded. My laptop is from System76. Came with Ubuntu, installed Mint instead (not technically a big change, but whatever) and I just had to point it at the System76 repo for it to get firmware updates and everything, running smoothly as if it came out of the box like that.

same

Of course. The blender foundation and their developers almost exclusively run linux. The other os are an afterthought.

I would speed up your time table, the amount of hard work going into DXVK is truly awe-inspiring, and issues I have with running Proton games keeps getting streamlined every few months with a major overhaul that makes everything easier. Valve is basically secretly becoming the Microsoft of the Linux world right now, if they are hiding something big, like steam machines 2 and HL3 as a Linux exclusive... well, the Tech world sometimes changes overnight, keep that in mind.

@@JohnnyThund3r Linux Games have zero piracy.There would be a day when steam would monopolize entire Linux market and Epic Store would be crying in background because of their disdain for Linux as cheapster's OS.

In 10 years so why use it now

The best Linux desktops and OSes are at a Windows XP level, they need to be at a Win 10 level.

@@pingpong1138 By Win10 level you mean downloading updates and restarting automatically without any regards for the user and their work being done?

TLDR; GNOME sucks, what else is new

The products themselves give a bad perception to the general consumer that Linux is expensive. How did they get that so wrong??

I'll be buying the base model and upgrading it myself instead. That way, the premium is only about $200, which is much more reasonable.

Yeah Forza runs real great! .. not :D

@@nycotrix lol use lutris

@@ratman7969 wont work.. forza is DX12 + Windows Store exlusive^^