I just find it funny that the rant Claudia goes on about how women can’t do anything right is literally the speech in the Barbie movie yet they shit all over that 🤪
Claudia never said she didnt agree with the message of the movie she actually said she does she just said the way it was done was so cringe millenial speak
FYI I honestly know nothing about Ballerina Farms, haven’t read the article, so I’m going purely off of Turdy’s speech today…. So, he asked her out at least twice, she said no both times, and then he made it so he was sitting next to her on a flight??? Nah girlies that’s wiiiiiild and borderline stalkerish, esp if she was turning him down? I could see it if they’d already gone on dates a few times.
Maybe the girlies should take the rest of the summer off and come back in the fall with better swirly energy. I felt like i was being reprimanded all episode like i wrote the ballerina farm article.
Two things can be true at the same time. The author could have come in with an ulterior motive AND Daniel can be a problem. But I know if someone wrote in to Dear Toasters saying her husband wasn’t at the birth of their child, you’d tell her to divorce him and he’s toxic
I’m starting to feel like they always take the opposite take of what’s “popular”, also if THEY like the person/thing it can do no wrong. Like someone else commented the speech they are giving is the same sentiment that the Barbie movie makes and they HATEEED that cause it was the thing everyone loved. I’m sure it gets them views and we are all commenting about it so it’s working for them. && Still love the show, I just wish you guys wouldn’t rant on and on about things just to shit on every one else’s opinion.
She means she isn’t looking for things wanting to hate ballerina farms however she is critical of the journalist because it’s not respectful of the agency of Ballerina
@@listedbyMelissa lol girl we know what Jackie means. She’s relentlessly negative about SO. MANY. THINGS. She is an obnoxious contrarian and is largely ignorant about any of the supporting facts. Of ANYTHING. 😂 She is so loud, so proud, and so wrong, SO often. Embarrassing.
Just because Jackie makes sourdough doesn’t mean you both have to defend a man who forces a women to go on a date with him. If it was anyone else you would called for that man to be arrested for stalking. Give me a break.
I'm sorry.... You can't be a successful business person and a successful mother? I truly hope that this opinion changes when Claudia has kids and I'm embarrassed that Jackie said nothing. So I guess she's not a successful mother because she has a successful business? That is the most ignorant comment I've ever heard. I am the bread winner and am incredible mom of a 3yr old and 9month old. If you aren't successful at both...do better.
I’m disappointed but not surprised at your take. I think a lot of the points just went over your head. The author was extremely biased. However, there are details that are concerning, whether they are Mormon or not. Them getting married young, ok whatever. Him doing a large gesture to sit next to her on the plane, not really the point. Him missing the birth of their child? Weird. Him refusing to take a longer engagement? Weird. Her having to bed ridden for weeks at a time? Sad. Her soaking her body in those irrigation tanks? Sad. Him getting her a $10 apron for her birthday and seeing her face fall? Sad. Like did you guys even read these details? Unfortunately, I think you both have your own biases that are clouding your judgement as well. We all do. But let’s have an open mind here.
YES to all of this. For me, personally, was the fact that it was HIM who brought up how she lays in bed for a week at a time. I'm sorry, but what was his purpose to bring that up? It was coming across like he was shaming her. He did not need to bring that up.
I agree the journalist had established their narrative for the article before they even visited Ballerina Farms and only included anecdotes to support their opinion, but the part about her getting married and pregnant within 3 months of meeting her husband at 21 was chilling
I don’t agree with the lifestyle but I grew up in a heavily Mormon community and that’s pretty par for the course. Even for the girls I grew up with who said they wouldn’t do that are all married and kids by 22
It's chilling for the Western world but it's pretty normal in multiple countries and cultures to do that. There's basically courtship to see if you and your potential spouse have aligned values/compatibility then marriage comes not too long after that, basically no boyfriend girlfriend stage.
@@destinyhale4550why is this never true for a man? I think that’s where the rub is for women. It just makes no sense that men aren’t held to this same standard.
I would love a week just as a trial basis where Claudia picks the stories and Jackie’s does the ad reads. Mix it up a bit, could be interesting for the listeners! ♥️
Maybe you should read the new article that came out today listen to the podcast episode that was recorded during the ballerina interview!! They were right.
The reason the article in the times was short is because the husband took it over and she barely got to talk to ballerina farm. Also it was very alarming that he said she often times is so exhausted she is sick for a week, and that he was answering her questions. ALSO when she mentioned that her sister pushed her to do that pageant to get a break “from all of this” I felt that was a huge hint that her life is very controlled and too much for a person to handle. ALSO THE PRAYING OVER HAVING A CHILD OR NOT, she is so exhausted by 8 she is sick for a week. I understand some of your defense but you missed so many things that were huge red flags.
@@chloe6161Did you read that interaction in the article? It’s definitely creepy. Praying about planning pregnancies I’m all for. But the way he answers the questions is weird. “Do you - I pause and look at her fixedly - plan pregnancies? “No,” Daniel says. “When he says no,” Neeleman responds gently, “it’s very much a matter of prayer for me. I’m, like, ‘God, is it time to bring another one to the Earth?’ And I’ve never been told no.” “But for whatever reason it’s exactly nine months [after a baby] that she’s ready for the next one,” he says. “It’s definitely a matter of prayer,” she says. “It’s a matter of prayer but somehow it’s exactly nine months,” he says.”
Lol the journalist interviewed BOTH of them and then wrote the article to make it seem like Daniel was speaking for her. Megan is extremely manipulative for that.
They’re billionaires for gods sake. Why couldn’t they build her a new studio? There is something to be said about the fact that he is living HIS dream life. I would hope if I were taking care of that many kids my husband would be checking in on me and making sure I was okay, fulfilled, pursuing my own interests, and that I wasn’t drowning in motherhood. Not being able to get out of bed for a week sounds like severe exhaustion, burnout, potentially autoimmune? That’s serious. It’s the all or nothing “we don’t use childcare” or “she does it all” that’s scary for her. You say this doesn’t sound like a woman who doesn’t have agency over her own life- but her whole religion is riding on the fact that she adheres to a certain lifestyle. Agency gone. I hope she’s happy with it yes and she chose this- but it doesn’t mean she knows any different and it doesn’t mean that she would be able to leave if she wanted to. If you had 8 kids, a potentially controlling husband who has endless resources. How would you feel about leaving? Knowing it may get ugly and the custody of your children could be in question. There’s a lot riding on her being “happy” with her life. But hopefully she is.
I feel like the girls totally read the article wrong. I don't think it was shade toward Ballerina Farm. It was more so toward the husband. At the end of the day we don't know how he treats her behind closed doors either way. So to say he is for sure NOT oppressive is wild and vice versa.
yeah i had a feeling they were going to take this take on it. we support ballerina farm and I think she had alot of dreams/views/voice taken away from her because of the selfishness of the husband and i think thats what the article kind of showed as well.
Agree with this!! The article also stands with ballerina… to me it’s highlighting how she (potentially) lives as Daniel’s puppet and empathizes with that situation. I didn’t sense any attack on her or her choices
I read it exactly the way the Girls did. Especially since the reporter wouldn’t even call her by her first name. The author was as disrespectful as possible at every turn
“I’m not looking at things like wanting to hate them.” - Jackie You must be joking. 😂 I should stop being surprised by someone who is incapable of self reflection.
Can you imagine home birth, home school, cooking all from scratch for 8 kids and getting a damn apron for your birthday? I'd literally throw it in the trash.
@@alowreyfullmao yes “my apron” definitely indicated she has brought it up in the past. However, her explicitly asking for tickets to Greece multiple times indicates that’s what she wanted as a birthday gift. A $10 apron probably should have been a “hey it’s Tuesday and you do so much around here and I want you to know you’re appreciated” gift.
Agree!!! Like did they forget that Christian Grey is a fake character….toxic things in books and movies are one thing, but in real life situations it’s another. Def red flag and weird of that guy for doing that. Not cute at all! Scary.
She literally said no, then he got on a flight with her, then when they started dating he practically forced her into a quick marriage because dating for a year like she wanted to wasn’t going to work for him. Wild.
“That is cute behavior” LOL WHAT woah woah woah she said no twice!!!!!! Ladies, books are literally fiction… fiction… not someone’s real life. Freaky and scary.
Also: Okay wow, I kept listening and my gosh they’re so pressed about EVERYONES take… isn’t it a flag when a lot of people are feeling the same way about this???? its a bunch of things going on that add up… and it’s slightly creepy and not okay, but we don’t know everything I guess 😅😅
She did not have Martha at home, she had a hospital transfer after laboring at home for a long time! You cannot have an epidural or any other medication at home.
Is anyone else really struggling with the episodes lately?! I disagree with so many of these takes. Love my girls but I can’t seem to finish any episodes lately…
I think it's a testament to how loved they are, that listeners get so bent out of shape when we disagree with their views. Trust me I do all the time, but I remind myself that they're just two girlies with their own viewpoints and it's literally a pop culture podcast. I don't think they ever said they are the end-all, be-all. Even with un-serious things such as them not knowing an actor's filmography such as David Arquette - why do we expect them to know everything?? Also honestly, I kind of like knowing what they think so that I'm privy to a different opinion. Otherwise it's an echo chamber.
@@katierodriguez8748 Yes. I have to cut a lot of the episodes short. From not choosing topical stories to having wild takes I just am losing my love for them.
I actually took a month or so toasty break because of something said in an episode awhile ago because I wildly disagreed and it made me upset BUT I STILLLLL LOVE my garlies. This is the first episode I’m listening to since my hiatus and I’m scared seeing this comment lol
Yes it’s been extra bad lately idk what it is? The lack of basic pop culture knowledge, not being on the pulse of any popular tv show, shitting on everyone for watching tv a lot when they barely leave their homes as they stated today 🤣
“But that’s her nightmare” EXACTLY!!! sometimes people can’t see it when they are in it and that’s what the article/internet is saying. This is a really bad take ladies.
Shocked at your take.. Interesting take on the farm! Yes everyone has their choice in life and journalism can be shady but, it was still a liiiiiittle concerning, however she did pick her life. It’s interesting to see this other side of their life. I’m definitely shocked your take was in such defense of the farm!
Imagine a toaster sending in a story and wanting their opinion… “a guy who’ve I’ve turned down multiple times is super rich and his family owns the airline I flew with, and the guy shows up on my flight in the seat next to me”… 1000% they would have said it was creepy and to file and restraining order to protect yourself!! While I do agree the writer probably already had nefarious opinions prior to the interview, the absolute disregard for the red flags is crazy in this episode. I really did try to understand the takes, but this is tough.
Sorry not sorry. I had to unfollow. Their viewpoints are very questionable. Their content has been so mid and boring. They aren’t covering hot pop culture topics. Feels like they became lazy and don’t care to make content anymore. Also stop with the damn chili and sourdough talk no one gives a f*** it’s summer time who wants chili 😂
There’s nothing wrong with living a traditional life as long it’s a choice. As long as she has the option to also be her own person, not just someone’s mom and wife. If she’s happy, great. But the problem is we are all worried about her and her well being! She doesn’t have a space or identity that’s her own and that’s the problem - not the fact that she merely stays home with kids
Mormon listener here! You said to jump in if you were wrong, I would definitely not say that the Mormon family is based on the husband, I think the following excerpt for, “The Family: A Proclamation to the World” lays out perfectly the traditional roles taken on by most couples within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: “By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation.”
Ex-Mormon here. The language from The Family: A Proclamation does not fully convey the true message the church teaches about gender roles. Here are just a few quotes: “True there is a curse upon women that is not upon the man, namely, that ‘her whole affections shall be towards her husband,’ and what is the next? ‘He shall rule over you.’ But how is it now? Your desire is to your husband, but you strive to rule over him, whereas the man should rule over you.” - Prophet Brigham Young “It is true we are taught in the principles of the gospel that man is the head of the woman, and Christ is the head of the man; and according to the order that is established in the kingdom of God, it is the duty of the man to follow Christ, and it is the duty of the woman to follow the man in Christ, not out of him. So sisters, do not flatter yourselves that you have nothing to answer for as long as you have a good husband. You must be obedient. Obedience is the first law of heaven.” - Joseph F. Smith “The husband, the holder of the household, is established this day in this marriage covenant as the head of the family and the breadwinner. It may be hard for you to recognize this, young lady, but your happiness is conditioned upon it.” - Boyd K. Packer
Mormon here- Mormonism is centered around the family- and the roles husband and wives have are different but equal in importance. In my own experience as a SAHM of 3 at the age of 29- I have always felt respected, valued, and equal to my husband who is out working. But I was also raised by a Mormon working mom who was equally as respected and valued. Each family is different and at the end of the day whatever works for your own family is correct as long as there is respect. Again- this is my own experience and others may have had difference experiences. But I am a SAHM by choice and love it. We have a whole document called the proclamation to the family that goes into further detail.
Ex-Mormon here. The language from The Family: A Proclamation does not fully convey the true message the church teaches about gender roles. Here are just a few quotes: “True there is a curse upon women that is not upon the man, namely, that “her whole affections shall be towards her husband,” and what is the next? “He shall rule over you. But how is it now? Your desire is to your husband, but you strive to rule over him, whereas the man should rule over you.” - Prophet Brigham Young “It is true we are taught in the principles of the gospel that man is the head of the woman, and Christ is the head of the man; and according to the order that is established in the kingdom of God, it is the duty of the man to follow Christ, and it is the duty of the woman to follow the man in Christ, not out of him. So sisters, do not flatter yourselves that you have nothing to answer for as long as you have a good husband. You must be obedient. Obedience is the first law of heaven.” - Joseph F. Smith “The husband, the holder of the household, is established this day in this marriage covenant as the head of the family and the breadwinner. It may be hard for you to recognize this, young lady, but your happiness is conditioned upon it.” - Boyd K. Packer
I appreciate your take! I am a Mormon mom who is frustrated by everything on social media for a few reasons. 1) like you said, I think the author had a clear bias and covered it from a definitive angle. Maybe she is struggling and having a hard time but maybe there’s a lot more to it 2) this isn’t the “Mormon lifestyle” - yes, family is very important and there are traditional roles seen as men and women’s (which by the way are in a lot of groups in society, not just Mormon’s) but that’s not as the men as the oppressor - the church has actually made changes more recently to make the wording of things emphasize equal partnership. I myself am a working mom who very much works in partnership with my husband and I do not feel oppressed.
What about all their money? What about her not getting the birthday gift she wanted? What about not having a nanny? 8 kids is insane while trying to run an empire. You also skirted over the can’t get out of bed comment
Like theres no way the people in this comment section felt that strongly about Hannah Neeleman last week but now after a 10 min article and watching 2 of her tik toks you all ride at dawn for ballerina farm ??? All Claudia and Jackie are saying is that MAYBE this woman should be celebrated for all she’s accomplished rather than needing to be ‘saved’ by you losers who are actually doing nothing more than spreading negativity on the internet
Jax and Turd, I am genuinely confused by all these comments. I whole heartedly agree with your take on the ballerina farm article (which I actually read). Makes me wonder how young your viewers are because I’m 30 and learned at this point that you have to accept people’s lifestyles even if it’s not your cup of tea. Are there parts of the article that are concerning? Yes, like the staying in bed for a week, however, parts of my life are concerning too LOL sooo idk I’m just shook that people are concerned she’s in a cult. THIS IS THE MORMON RELIGION. It is very strict and Hannah and Daniel BOTH grew up this way. She was the 8th child of 9, like how are people shocked that she doesn’t have much of a voice in her own household? Anyway, love you swirlies and sorry for all the negativity 🫶🏼
I think we have a difference of opinion because we have very different life experiences. I grew up in very conservative Christian environment where the average woman has no individual power. Women are frequently in a position of always being told what to do, always being held to authoritarian expectations by her husband and it’s very common for men to punish their wives for not falling in line with expectations. Mrs. Farm exudes that energy from a Birds Eye view. Obviously I have no idea what actually happens in their household.
I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day-Saints I wanted to just say that our church does not believe a man is the above a woman in the family. Our doctrine states and we believe that they are equal partners.
Oh my goodness the energy in the comments is 😂. I would imagine that from Hannah’s perspective she gained plenty of goodness and fulfillment in her life. That is likely her headline. The article probably disappointed them but also I’m sure they are unbothered - I hope the same for myself, that I remain largely unbothered by others’ opinions of me.
Thank you for speaking the truth on the Ballerina Farm article. People want to villainize traditionalism, family, & motherhood so badly. She is not a victim & the life her & her family live is so respectable!
Mormon gal here - there are SO many misconceptions of how people of my faith operate their families. I’m married and my spouse and I are equals. There’s been times where I was the bread winner and he took care of home responsibilities, and times where I wanted to lean more into homemaking while my spouse pursued his career. It’s literally not that deep and yes we lean more traditional but I still have my own career goals in working towards and we also still want a family in the future (I’m 27, he is 26) we’ve only been married for 3 years and are just taking our time and doing what WE want to do. NO one tells us how to run OUR family, and my husband certainly doesnt expect me to be a certain way. Our church values agency and doing what’s best for your family. We are happy and we are always centered on the important things like mutual love, respect, and kindness.
The last Times article about Balleriny Farm was when she was competing in the Mrs. American pageant and it went viral (like Claudia that's when I first heard about her), the media attention definitely benefits their business whether it's a negative or positive response.
Unless there was an Anesthesiologist at her house, she could not have had an epidural at home. You have to be monitored, maybe she had that baby at a hospital, not at home. There are situations where a privet Anesthesiologists can travel but it's usually to a surgicenter, not a house, she might have a full surgicenter or hospital like set up at here house. If she does that a little misleading to say you have your babies at home, if your home has a full blown hospital grade medical set up.
She acknowledged that she gave birth to two of her children in a hospital, one of which was because she was 2 weeks over due and the baby was 10 pounds. She had the epidural that time in the hospital.
@@battleforbeauty Okay the girly's were confusing me because they said she had that overdue baby at home. I didn't read the article, I was just going by what they said.
@@natalietietjens3392you actually can't get an epidural at home and she didn't get an epidural at home. She had to be transferred to the hospital because she was laboring too long.
Ex Mormon here and ballerina farm is like borderline fundamentalist Mormon, most Mormons go to regular school and some have working moms BUT Turdy is right, Mormon doctrine paints the ballerina farm lifestyle!
Also…There are audio clips on a podcast the author was on that weren’t quoted in the article…I think everyone should go listen. She talks about how she danced professionally in Brazil after 2 kids! And talks about how Daniel always supported her dancing.
36:07 seeing as so many people disagree with y’all I want to say I whole heartedly think this article is further proof that women can do anything and still be criticized. Let her ballerina farm in peace. If it bothers someone so much do something about it in your own life.
If someone interviewed me and my husband, it could be easily written to sound EXTREMELY toxic based on the way we tease each other. It would NOT transfer to the written word well! 😂
Traditional Mormonism is centered around the husband. Mormonism is getting more progressive. Ballerina farm is the extreme for 2024. Look at Rach Parcell she is also Mormon business women in a more modern way. Both doing great things…. Also Daniel is Zach Wilson’s (nfl quarter back) cousin.
fwiw, all team usa members vote on their flag bearers. so they, themselves, voted for coco and lebron. simone was a flag bearer during the 2016 closing ceremonies and katie (and most swimmers and other groups of athletes) do not attend the opening ceremonies due to their competition schedule. a lot goes into it and it’s a big honor to be chosen by your peers!
Mormon toaster here! Our faith definitely tends to be more traditional, but there's plenty of girl boss Mormons, too (including my mom)! And husbands & wives are 100% expected to be equals in their family and relationship-things don't revolve around the husband (I'm sure there are situations like that, but that makes me sad and isn't normal).
Okay if she is genuinely good and happy at home with how her life is… this take is correct!! Who are we to say that it’s wrong if this is what works for her?
I so agree with this take. The tone of the article was so demeaning. It talked down about Hannah so badly. She made the decisions she made. She wanted this life. Maybe now it’s not what it was in the beginning and the glam is kinda wearing off but at the end of the day this is what she wants day after day otherwise she wouldn’t be there anymore. So frustrating the way they made her seem like a victim. Husband could def be stepping up but 🤷♀️
Everyone talking about the “bad takes”. I will say when I am getting my information from TikTok, like with ballerina, I likely believe what I’m hearing ala herd mentality. I love coming to the swirlies and hearing a different take, thus seeing something from multiple viewpoints and forming a decision that way. Some of yall are just unable to bear that not everyone agrees with you lmao
100% agree with your take on Ballerina Farms---this journalist obviously had a story in mind before she even stepped foot into the house. She gave up her dream of being a dancer, so what? Lots of people give up dreams for other dreams. And having a family and raising kids becomes a new dream. That's hardly oppression. It's called MOTHERhood. Of course things are going to be twisted and presented a certain way when you give a tiny little article after being with a whole entire family for a day.
I suffered deeply when Paula Deen got herself cancelled because she used to have the most amazing French toast scented candles for sale at Walmart and I have never smelled anything as incredible ever since.
