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A Spectre Haunting: China Miéville on the Communist Manifesto 

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China Miéville talks to professor of political theory and writer Lea Ypi about his new book A Spectre, Haunting, a reading of the modern world's most controversial and enduring political document: the Communist Manifesto.
The Manifesto is a text that shows no sign of fading into antiquarian obscurity. Published in 1848 by two émigrés from Germany, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, this strange political tract is an apocalyptic vision of an insatiable system that penetrates every corner of the world, reduces every relationship to that of profit, and bursts asunder the old forms of production and of politics.
Its ideas continue to resonate in our world. In his book, China Miéville uncovers ghosts, sorcery and creative destruction as he gives a strikingly imaginative take on what Marx’s book has to say to us today.
The event will also include a glimpse of a first edition of the Communist Manifesto and Marx’s own copies of his writings from the British Library collection. Marx remains perhaps the most famous ‘Reader’ in the Library’s history.
China Miéville has received numerous awards for his writing, including the Arthur C. Clarke Award (three times), the British Fantasy Award (twice), and the Locus Award for Best Fantasy Novel (four times). His novels include Perdido Street Station, King Rat, Un Lun Dun, The City & The City, Railsea and The Last Days of New Paris. He has also written a narrative history of the Bolshevik Revolution, October.
Lea Ypi is a professor of Political Theory at the London School of Economics. Her recent book Free: Coming of Age at the End of Empire, is a remarkable memoir of growing up amid political upheaval in Albania. It was shortlisted for the Ondaatje Prize, Baillie Gifford Prize, the Costa Biography Award and the Slightly Foxed Best First Biography Prize. It is being translated into 19 languages.

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Комментарии : 51   
@ImDavid711
@ImDavid711 2 года назад
I loved this. Thank you for hosting this talk.
@benanning7217
@benanning7217 2 года назад
Utterly brilliant discussion. Thank you for sharing!
@philipthompson924
@philipthompson924 2 года назад
Thanks, thoughtful discussion
@henrythoreau645
@henrythoreau645 Год назад
La utopía está en el horizonte. Camino dos pasos, ella se aleja dos pasos y el horizonte se corre diez pasos más allá. ¿Entonces para qué sirve la utopía? Para eso, sirve para caminar Eduardo Galeano
@eightiefiv3
@eightiefiv3 Год назад
delightful!!
@vickypedias
@vickypedias 2 года назад
What an amazing interview - I had tears in my eyes at 1:03:26. "It does not have t be like this. This sense that you have that you are hurting is right and you deserve not to hurt. I find that is moving, and I think that it's such a diminishing and miserly reading of socialism or communism that that would be an embarrassment." Thank you so much for such an enriching and enlightening discussion.
@ThatMans-anAnimal
@ThatMans-anAnimal Год назад
What would life be without pain and suffering? This movement suffers from too high a preference for comfort and an overabundance of nice-sounding but very obviously false principles.
@markgrayson6771
@markgrayson6771 Год назад
@@ThatMans-anAnimal Tell me you've never read a socialist/communist text without telling me you've never read a socialist/communist text. Pain and suffering are literally a huge part of the class struggle, you numpty.
@kshproductions7996
@kshproductions7996 Год назад
@@ThatMans-anAnimal There is a difference between pain and suffering that leads to contemplation, action, and an enrichening of our sense of life, and a senseless and needless pain and suffering that only serves to numb and alienate our sense of life. Grouping all types of pain and suffering under one category or another is a naïve simplification, the strawman you're attaching would take the latter as exclusively defining the nature of pain and suffering, and you of course seem to take the former.
@ThatMans-anAnimal
@ThatMans-anAnimal Год назад
@@kshproductions7996 you're projecting the strawman argument yourself. I never said all suffering is the same. No discussion of a typology of suffering had been introduced. The reductionist terminology was their own.
@kshproductions7996
@kshproductions7996 Год назад
@@ThatMans-anAnimal you say "what would be life without pain and suffering?" as if the commenter is talking about all pain and suffering. They are not.
@countthemoon4956
@countthemoon4956 2 года назад
This was fantastic
@henrythoreau645
@henrythoreau645 Год назад
I'm still listening to this and thoroughly enjoy it. Regarding the question made about priority given to social class over other things: race, gender, etc, my feeling is that although those issues are important, who controls the wealth and power in society: capital, the state, the means of production and distribution, is crucial, and if they are controlled by a small minority of people then perhaps inevitably the result will be inequality even in democratic societies. The subject of social class inequality and poverty is still very relevant, although it doesn't seem to be as fashionable nowadays or get talked about as much as some other issues, and it's perhaps partly for this reason that many working class people in Western Europe no longer identify with the left.
@krishshautriya5170
@krishshautriya5170 5 дней назад
That is because every society that has ever existed has a small minority of people who control the majority of the resources. Communism is good intentioned. But it will only be successful in a fairy tale.
@Suav58
@Suav58 2 года назад
It would by interesting, sir, if you explained how you understand "rational" and "irrational". In mathematics and computation the concepts are clear. One can argue about real existence of irrational numbers (like ancient did, starting from the sqrt(2) - which has consequences for our understanding of geometry), but even putting their existence aside, we (both humans and human built computers) have inbuilt mechanisms of forceful termination of computations, that would take too long. We then either use the truncated result, or some heuristic, which we find convincing. It would add much credibility to the discussion, if you both found a place to at least signal a huge progress in the theory of evolution*. The one thing, that deserves most attention (and, in your discussion, was gently glided over the surface of) is a dearest of path of monotonous growth of fitness. There is huge ongoing collective effort, in both mathematics and experimental community, to shed some light on the subject of evolution and progress, whatever the latter might mean. *of complex systems, so mixtures of chemical compounds, isolated microbial environments, plants, animals, humans and human societies
@cropcircle5693
@cropcircle5693 2 года назад
We really need China to have a talk like this with Douglas Murray
@loveulez
@loveulez 2 года назад
Murray is an sub average Eton fascist
@organiccomposition
@organiccomposition Год назад
with or without pistols
@End-Result
@End-Result 2 года назад
I think both speakers are interesting, and I understand that history is there to be discussed. But if I see one more discussion of the communist manifesto I think I’m going to jump off a high-rise building … OTHER theorists and ideas exist
@Suav58
@Suav58 2 года назад
I dare you to name them. I dare you to do more. You have a duty to expose the consequences of running the system according to these theories (?) Communism can not exist without elimination of individuals with well above average proclivity to accumulate private wealth. Capitalism, on the other hand, can not exist without advertising a myth of getting rich quick. The discussion navigates very cautiously about these conflicting paradigms of social life. In fact, both China Miéville and Lea Ypi do everything in their power to avoid the hard questions. How does the (process of construction of) the system affect the evolution of a human being within it? How can any meaningful critique emerge in a system of total surveillance and total (mostly financial) control?
@princegobi5992
@princegobi5992 Год назад
@@Suav58what about communism necessitates anything you said. Also, ideologically begging the question when you try to make a dichotomy between communism “eliminating” people, with the worst of capitalism only being that there are get quick rich schemes. Come on, be honest. I don’t think you’ve actually interacted with any Marxist writing.
@Suav58
@Suav58 Год назад
@@princegobi5992 I live it on your conscience to see or turn a blind eye on capitalism exterminating people.
@princegobi5992
@princegobi5992 Год назад
@@Suav58 I don’t turn a blind eye to capitalism exterminating people, that’s why I advocate for an egalitarian mode of production like socialism. Probably not what you mean to say 🤭
@Suav58
@Suav58 Год назад
@@princegobi5992 What is your definition of socialism? Mussolini and Hitler claimed to be "true" socialists. They both claimed to be able to force the capitalist class to do their bidding. To what extent was it true? What were the points of divergence between Othmar Spann's "Corporate State", fascism and nazism? What values and in what order of priorities would you list and write on a banner of socialism? There is a, so called, agenda problem. How is socialism supposed to deal with it?
@lsobrien
@lsobrien 2 года назад
I was so disappointed I missed out on the original stream, so thank you for this.
@bumblebeeatbreadloaf1286
@bumblebeeatbreadloaf1286 Год назад
Excellent conversation!
@markpellegrin417
@markpellegrin417 2 месяца назад
Good questions. Good answers. “..One of the biggest difficulties, politically speaking, is to get people to see the nature of the system in which they live. The system is very sophisticated in disguising what it does, and how it does it. One of the tasks of Marxists and critical theorists is to try to demystify,..." David Harvey
@brandonbloch3144
@brandonbloch3144 6 месяцев назад
He’s right in a certain sense about Marx’s project being incompatible with a teleological view of history insofar as the Manifesto is a call-to-arms, and something so deterministic should not require a call to action in order to occur. But this is a mistake. It forgets the history of the ‘lazy argument’, sometimes called the ‘lazy reason’ or the ‘lazy sophism’. Such an argument held that there is no need for action because things are pre-determined regardless of what we do. The problem is, even if Marx and the rise of Marxism was pre-determined, it still required the actions of Marx and his progenitors in order to realize this reality.
@susanpower-q5q
@susanpower-q5q Год назад
JUNE 1850 MONSTER MARX PROMOTING ABOLITION OF THE FAMILY GETS HIS READER CARD FROM A LIBRARY THAT SHOULD BE NAMED THE MONSTER MARX LIBRARY
@princegobi5992
@princegobi5992 Год назад
Lmao “monster Marx”. Have you actually read any of his works?
@manchesterunited9576
@manchesterunited9576 10 месяцев назад
He doesn't "promote it", he clearly says it is an inevitable consequence of capitalism which turns family relations into monetary ones. For god's sake, learn to read before criticising.
@kurtzmenabrea
@kurtzmenabrea 11 месяцев назад
China Melville he is a great person, as well as an excellent writer, he won't change a thing about this horrible ultra-liberal capitalism, but he remains great. An affectionate greeting from Milan Italy
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