The comic is just rough in every sense of the word, butcher the one supposed to be the leader of the good guys kills the entire gang knowingly and tries to kill hughie to and what does he get for this u may ask?, well he is stabbed by a bleeding out hughie but butcher is paralyzed so he doesn't even feel a thing and dies with a smile on his face, its so unsatisfactory
I would say the biggest difference between the comic and the show is: The comic treats the concept as parody. while the show actually explores how that concept would work.
I think the comics activity hate super heroes so it more Cynical. While the show likes super hero’s but it’s more interested in the deconstructed of super hero narratives
Well.. I dont really like that phrase as its used here. Have you seen our history? Humans are f*cked up dude. There are people alive right now that would killed someones children in front of them and put their heads on the hood of their car. Usually its just rules holding people back.
@@CadeSkywalkerEU I'd definitely say so, i've reread the comics a bunch of times and it does feel like Ennis' parody on them especially with how almost every supe in the comic is pretty much a jab at D.C. and Marvel (Payback being Avengers, Soldier Boy being Captain America, Homelander being Superman, A-Train as the flash, etc)
Funny enough if A-Train didn’t actually stop in the show, he would’ve got away with it without setting Hughie on a crusade. Hughie wouldn’t have seen A-Train that way and then Vought could’ve made up some bs about a villain that did it.
There weren't supevillians until like a few weeks after Robin's death, and Vought didn't know that was gonna happen cause homelander did it himself behind Voughts back. But he wouldn't have seen the bag so they're wouldn't be that important lead.
Yeah. Because his reputation will be damaged. Not cause he killed someone. He actually doesn’t give a damn. He only kinda gives a damn, it’s like he wouldn’t kill Robin on purpose, but Robin died anyways, and he’s like okidoki
@@memelordv2157 bc the comics plot and story was more geared for edgy shock value for no reason . But in the shows gore contributed to the overall arc and character development.
@@memelordv2157 In the comics A-Train is just a heartless jerk for the sake of being a heartless jerk. There’s no character to that and no possible arc. In the show he is an addict, giving his actions purpose and emotion with the possibility for an arc
@@clubbedpenguin. oh, and let's not forget about Homelander being basically a no brain, stupid ultra powerful villain even though in the end, he was not a villain at all but got tricked into thinking it like wtf, and the fact the The Boys in the comics got V injected into them but not temporary V as that doesn't exist in the comics but the permanent one and they don't give a fuck, it's not seem as a hypocrisy, it's not even debated between them, it's bad, the comic concept and ideas are good, the execution was terrible
tbh, the show version is much better. She only stepped a little off the sidewalk and got run over, then A-Train claimed she was in the middle of the road. It was a pretty cool and devastating scene. The comics version though? 💀 bro really said “cant stop the A-Train”
It makes it feel like they try to avoid killing innocents for their image, but it's clear after just a few minutes they all think they're infinitely better than everyone without powers, and he feels no remorse for what he did until S3 when he experienced what its like when a Hero doesn't give a single fuck about a non-supe that's special to him.
I think the comics did what it intended, made supes irredeemable. The comic writer hates superheroes and the entire point was to show super “heroes” being terrible people, while the show actually gives them more depth.
@@whenfunnydancingcockroach4625 That's what I didn't like about the comics though. Glad the show fixed up the story and made it more realistic so you really get the message. The comic literally felt like satire that would be posted on Twitter. It had no plot whatsoever. Just stinks of edge.
@@EruseanPug Yes, that is the point of the comics, parody, satire, I don't think it was ever supposed to have depth. I can personally appreciate it for what it was meant to be. I still prefer the show tho.
This only shows how the comics is literally: super hero’s are assholes that don’t care about people. While the show is super heroes in real life would be really fucked up
The comics portray people that don’t exist they are cartoonishly evil the shows are astronomically better then the comic with how they portray the characters
Superheroes _owned by/representing a company_ I feel like that aspect of the show matters an obscene amount and no one talks about it. It’s all that limited Homelander.
The show is honostly just a better version of this story than the comic, usually it's the other way around for most adaptations but all the comic says is "all superheros are evil asswholes" but the show acually fleshes them out more and adds a bit more depth to them while still keeping them evil
@@tatoun680 that’s a lot of people tho. Most people don’t gaf till they go thru it. I didn’t say he was an angel, but he apologised to Hughie at herogasm and was genuinely sorry. He also started the BLM pandering shit because he lost his ability to run but he did genuinely start to care about the shit Blue Hawk was doing too.
Honestly for me the best characters in the show are A train and The deep. I hope in season 4 they show more of them and hopefully give them a redemption arc.
@@tastynoobr3685 The whole season 1 was trying to get revenge for Robin, then later Hughie literally brings her up like when he tells Starlight and then in season 3 he confronts A-Train about it again.
@@drycomplimentary6363 I mean, in the comics (even tho i didnt fully read them) he seems to be written as someone who isnt remorseful in the slightest and actually he does way more terrible things just to be an awful character.
ALL "Heroes" are corporate created and raised or found later and bought or stolen from fam. There isn't character development because they are living ads for comic books and any other products that can be sold through their existence. They are kept in check through drugs, money, & hookers and the company is always bailing them out of trouble.
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus The supes in the comics were all cartoonish evil and unredeemable one note bad guys. There really wasn't much to any of them besides being an asshole or some brand of psycho. So there really isn't much need to justify wanting to kill them since Garth just wrote the whole series as a way for him to kill Superheroes for fun.
@@electricfeverx976 Tech Knight wasn’t a villain he had a brain tumor, The G-Force (forgot which branch) they’re weren’t villains just some kids hanging out, and even one of them had development saying how he didn’t want to join one of the two G-men forces he was allowed to go to since it wasn’t him. Now, there is a lot of one notes in the books but most aren’t actually horrible people besides a few, just douches.
That’s a huge misconception of the book that I think if you read it, you’ll understand why the show is as good as it is. Homelander in the show is one to one with the books, essentially the same character and when people say these characters don’t have depth that’s just wrong because the entire story is a culmination of butcher and hughies life post there supe trauma. A great example of this is the books involving beckys life with butcher, his reaction to what happened to her and the end of the entire story which is where hughie and butcher go head to head and end up with a story that is very heartfelt and one of the most memorable endings to a story you’ll ever read. The beginning may come off as really edgy but technically so does the show, but once you get deep into it, you love the characters as much as you do in the show.
Spoiler My problem is that there is no build up to that moment. Hugie and a train barley interact in the comics and butcher kidnapped a-train out of nowhere and goads Hugie to kill him.
love how the show makes that concept and situation so much more nuanced and complex. A-Train himself is genuinely interesting and fun to analyze throughout the seasons as he's not so cartoonishly evil anymore.
@@brandonrhuman8223 he saw the story on the news saying she was in the street and he said out loud to himself "That's a lie, she was completely on the sidewalk"
“She was one step off the fucking curb” which is ironic, because its not really A-Train’s fault that someone was standing in the road where they aren’t supposed to be. But its his fault he was an asshole
@@ConspiracyCinema Because the show rewrote the comic..... All the comic is is just a basis for the show but the show has went in a different direction for the better
@@Xymage a lot happened story vise. Frenchie and Kimiko grew closer and became more humane to one another. Homelander had a lot of development butcher got his hands on temp V and finally has a chance against supes now soldierboy kills basically all of payback and even more. Also Ryan breaking bad slowly... Also Maeve probably survived because she landed on top of the basically indestructible soldier boy. Please use your brain before spewing crap next time
@@Xymage it did. Like i said the deep moved on a lot and is part of the 7 again Homelander finally snapped Edgar left Vought, A Train regaining his speed soldierboys whole arc and temp V making them able to kill supes
In the show A-train is not remorseful at all during the scene, he was forced to stop due to getting covered in... well... Robin, and got scared because he was doing HL's mission and couldn't afford to f-up.
@@chimpindoge3474 well when I wrote it HW was homelander but in retrospect perhaps I should have slept a little more before writing since it has become clear to me after your reply that my brain doesn't work like it should when I'm sleep deprived
They’re both the same A-Train in the show seems like he felt the same as the one in the comic his apology is fake his remorse his fake …The comic is at least up front and real about having no remorse. He at least owns up to it…in the show he act like it was a small mistake like stepping on someone’s shoe like “oh my bad” that seems worse in a way
Tell me you haven’t watched the fucking show without telling me you haven’t watched the show. A-Train actively remorses and feels bad about killing robin in the show in season 3 he apologizes to Hughie a 2nd time so idk wtf ur talking about
@@narwzy if I remember correct, the only reason A train apologized was because of caught demanding it, and his life being in danger. He never did it out of genuine guilt
@@narwzy he only felt remorse for what he did to robin after he had something similar happen to him when his brother was paralysed by that one racist supe. He absolutely did not feel remorse when he did it. We literally see him laughing about it to other supes.
>Overdoses on drugs >Runs so fast and kills an innocent woman >tries to act remorseful > Says "can't stop when running" >Doesn't elaborate further > Leaves
The show is good if you can't handle darker subjects, and it's pretty fucked but all in all the writing of the show and the comics are close to each other's par despite the show runners dropping the ball here and there. They really messed up with Black Noir since there's no way in fuck they're making something that is as mortifying as a Villain as the comics him is.
I think we can all agree the show is better than the comics. They have way more character and personality in the show rather than their whole personality being "I'm a bad person just because"
Well the comic wasn't that good for that reason tbh, every single hero just had to be bad with no feelings At least they made A-train a bit more..like a human 💀
Tbh even In the show, he’s horrid. Later on in the episode, he laughs it off and tells lies about the incident to get the heat off of him and even forgets or rather doesn’t care about hughie in the slightest. Then there was the incident with popclaw. Then he seemed to be getting more human but then there was what he made homelander do to supersonic. Then abuse the color of his skin to try to regain popularity. Then basically does nothing to blue hawk until BH paralysed his brother. Now we see him being human again though.
Honestly if this shit happened IRL id like to believe id be more like Hughie than Butcher. Id just go after the one supe that did it unlike Butcher who went all school shooter.
The point of the comic is edginess for edginess sake written by a guy who tries too hard, imo. It doesn’t really add much to the story and makes it rigid and stale.
Depending on your expectations. But sure if you want the best deconstruction of super heros read Watchman and if you are just interested in Gore read Crossed.
the main difference between the comics and the show is, the comics sups are pricks without reason, and the show gives a more in depth reason to why they are that way
Tbh, I find it weird in the show that Robin's death isn't even brought up anymore. Even in S2 Hughie kinda works together with him exposing Stormfront. It's like they're just... stranger. Unlike Butcher and Homelander who are mortal enemies. I was expecting that was gonna be the same thing with Hughie and A Train. He's a big jerk too in the show. I get that perhaps he's moving on with Annie too, but no matter how Hugie and Robin relationship was, seeing someone you know well smashed into nothing but blood and guts is just horrifying to imagine. Like... their life just vanished right then and there.
Robin’s death affected Hughie mainly by making him feel too insignificant to protect the people he cares about. It’s why he took V-24, and why he’s trying to be more active in fighting Homelander despite Starlight explicitly not wanting him to do that. He tried to find a balance in Neuman, but then she was working for Vought, so-
@@theoguncleslappy9150 yeah meaning they never forgot robin. But I think I also got his point how in season 2 with annie it almost fell like robin was insignificant in hughie’s life. But it was still addressed how hughie gets visions of robin’s apparitions
The show seems more realistic, the writers did a good job in making the show credibile. Some situations in the comic can work only because on the comic.
You could argue that in the TV show, alongside being high on compound V, A-train probably can't stop because he is doing shipments of the material to terrorists for Homelander, making him afraid that if he is caught or stops than Homelander will kill him.
@@ZNS7 the comics were dog shit my man, it was just a fan fic of people wearing leather killing any and all superhero’s because they are all “evil” without any good reason as to why they were made evil by the creator.
It’s funny how I’ve hardly ever seen someone really even so much as talk about the comics, nonetheless say it was bad, but then a popular RU-vid video comes out saying it was bad and now the entire internet also collectively agrees it was bad.
@@CmD-Combat I mean most people never read the comics, so when a RU-vidr showed them what the comics were like they agreed it was bad pretty quickly, for good reason too.
@@DoomWarrior55 😭😭 and he actually felt guilt for a moment too in the recordings just for the other members of the seven to tell him to man up and chill because accidentally killing civilians is like collateral damage to them and vought.
@@vikinghoodbluelighthouse2911 yep you can. I've red the comics 2 years before the show and I enjoy how they did in the show because it stay mostly truthful with logical changes.
? I’d understand your reasoning with another part or change but this one doesn’t fully make sense… she does brutally in both versions with one slightly being worse then the other
@@jacobsaquato4168 characters in the series have depth and development, they are more like normal people corrupted by the system. In the comics they are straight out killer lunatics, it’s absurd.
Yeah, them being just evil and effed up just makes them kinda boring. The supes in the show having a bit of humanity in them, like with Queen Maeve and A-Train makes them more interesting as not just villains, but also characters as well. As for A-Train in the show, he’s not just an a-hole, but he is a flawed person, like anyone IRL. He’s an adrenaline addict, as well as a greedy juicer who’d eventually suffer the consequences of his actions.
This is why homelander stands out a lot less in the comics when literally every supe in the comic are Aholes. In the show it makes homelander stands out a lot more as the perfect psychopathic supe
A train finally apologizing the Huey is what made the show for me. They did such a good job at making the viewer forget that was even one of the main motivations of Huey, then he gets the temp v and feels he finally has leverage to make a train understand only to realize a train alredy got tought that lesson before Huey could do anything.
Ngl, the comic is funny in like the first few pages butcher is introduced, and the team gets a wholesome moment when they're arguing about pizza. As edgy as it may be, it's still a fun read.
Garth Ennis' hatred of superheroes gets really fuckin annoying after a while. Much prefer him writing non-super related stuff. Crossed is super edgy at times but it's still interesting and I don't feel like the writer hates me.
@@ReblazeGaming he has stated it on an interview I think, plus it’s pretty obvious, supes in the comic are written as the absolute worst people in bright spandex and are obviously set up to be brutalized by the trench-coat wearing main characters, the comic is just an edgy outlet for him to pour out all of his hatred for superheroes in.
