A/V Receiver vs Amplifier | What has more power? 

Another awesome video I took your advice from your other video and bought the Emotiva 3 channel amp for my front speakers and that Logitech remote man did that make a difference with my 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos setup and also that smart remote is awesome I just wanna say thanks a lot for taking the time to make these videos You deserve way more subscribers bro everyone share Techno Dad’s videos to everyone that you know he deserves it

Volume knobs arent allways linear. So you will allways see different db's if you put different amps at the same knob level. This makes you draw the wrong conlusions. A better test would be to measure when both amps are putting out a specific db level, and then compare the sound to see if it responds faster, is more clean, more detailed, etc.

You measured a Denon AVR vs a Parasound 2 ch amp using volume knobs at same position? Doesn't seem logical at all TBH.

It was not always like this. If you bought in 1980 a 100 watt/channel stereo receiver from a brand like Pioneer , you would know 2 things: 1) It would indeed do max 100 watt/channel with little to no distortion (anyone remembers the advertised 0,001% distortion numbers?) 2) Inside the Pioneer receiver you would find the same amplifier components of the seperate 100 watt Pioneer amplifier. Thus the big receivers and the seperate amplifiers delivered the same sound. Today it is a very diffrent situation. Many of the Home Theater In A Box sets and entry level A/V Receivers put a large number of watt per channel (like 100-200 watt) on their spec, and then in very tiny letters sth like (at 10% THD) next to it. Believe me listening music that is 10% distorted is not only unlistable, it wrecks your speakers instantly. Equipment that can produce big numbers of watts of undistorted music is going to be heavy and very expensive. Two things modern A/V receivers not often are anymore. It's a real shame companies with a big legacy like Pioneer and Yamaha no longer put out fair Watt RMS specs anymore, but I guess that is just what the mass market has become. When most people buy stuff, they look for thinks like bluetooth applications, many HDMI inputs, dolby atmos stickers and so one. They don't realise you can only get great sound, if the build quality of your equipment is great. Seperates on the other hand are aimed a very diffrent type of users. If you want to spend lots of money on a very complicated setup, you will want the best sound and the best build quality. the few companies left that make such equipment will do their best effort to deliver.

If looking for a powerful reciever check for 4 ohm or even 2 ohm capabilities for real true output power .

What is the best option? Upgrade my avr from marantz, or get an separately stereo amplifier? I have an marantz sr6008 combination with Boston acoustics m 340 plus the center and m25. I'm looking at either going for the marantz sr7013 first, or go for the marantz pm7000n or cxa81 from Cambridge. Music is more priority than movies. So for improvement in the music department, I'm guessing the stereo amplifiers will give me more enchantment than going for an avr like the sr7013? Thanks in advance for the feedback!

Techno dad sir,I have a pair of 220 watts of yamaha passive speakers how many watts of amplifier do i need to maximize the audio output? Any advice is appreciated

I switched to outside amplification on my 7.4.4 setup. I can tell the difference on my front channels, especially when cranking it up. Not so much on my sorrounds and height channels. Outside amplification is def an upgrade worth doing. At the least with your LCR's.

I have a Panasonic home theater system and the sub-woofer weighs a ton. I was curious to know if amplifier is inside sub-woofer.

You're absolutely right, when I added a 5 channel amplifier my speakers came alive.

I have a question. I just bought a Marantz sr7012 and I have 2 polk audio rti8. At the time I just have 2 speakers and will add more later on as soon as I figure out what speakers I want. I recently had to return my Onkyo rz810 because after a night off partying the next day my Onkyo had a NG LB RB code on the screen and could not reset it so I returned it and got the Marantz. I guess my question is if the Marantz will handle at least 6-7 hours of play at a decent level of music or will I need a dedicated power amp for my front 2. Thank you

Hey TechnoDad, I have an denon x4400h. Does a separate amp just appear to increase the volume of the sounds coming from your speakers or does it do something else to the sound to make it magical?

Hello, could I ask? Do I need to buy an AV receiver if I want to connect my klipsch 600m to both my tv/shortthrow projector and my turntable.

What a terrific video! It goes without saying, separates if you can do it, is the only way to go. I'm from the old school. Back when ya bought a speaker, or speakers. You alwa2, always ran a mono block or 2 channel power amp. Fast forward to audio/video integration and.. bingo! I run 10 separate power amps in my current system. Not counting subs. Me and my wife have a dedicated listening room of 30x25. People have a hard time believing that a true 60wpc power amp will smoke anything the a/v receiver will push. Thanks again for a terrific video.

Have you messed with zone receivers? Looking to see if theyre like pre amps, where the recievers eq and volume controls the power on the external amp they are connected to. I know receivers with MAIN PRE OUTS work but ive found stereo receivers non suround sound that have a ZONE output. Im not looking to spend $400 or more on a a/v receiver since im just running Cerwin Vega XLS215S a crown xli core 2 amp that allowes you to use consumer home equipment.

Ok i m kinda new to this stuff, but I see many users having both AV receiver and Amp. Is this something to do just for more power or does it add something to the quality of the sound as well ?

Hi how about using 105 WPC denon avr connect to ATI 1807 AMP 180WPC they 75W different ia that ok for sound?

So if I have two speakers and I'm running them with a receiver it will be better for me to switch to a stereo amp right?

What a video sir,I just found the difference and the ad myth of power rating used in av receivers. I thought of going to more channel av but now i understood only a amp can give the full potential of a speaker. thanks a lot

I have 4 polk audio patio 200 and a martin logan subwoofer for outside what should i use to have good sound what do you recommend

So what are the take-home points considering the test is not relevant? is it not the case that power amps are a worth while addition?

Hi Techno dad If I were to go with eather a denon AVR-X8500H or an AVR-x6400H and buy an Additional Powerful Amplifier to hook up to one of those recievers for my home theater system could I do that?

How does this work with speakers that are considered more “sensitive.” I’ve heard klipsch speakers are more sensitive and require less power to produce volume and dynamic sound. I have 2 front jbl loft 50 towers with the matching loft 20 centre channel. I’m running a set of klipsch r-15m speakers as satellites and a klipsch r-10sw sub. I’m in the process of upgrading to an all klipsch set up as I am under the impression that klipsch speakers preform more dynamically than many other speakers. What are your thoughts techno dad?

I found this video pretty much way later but do things actually sound better with the amplifier versus just the AVR or is it just more volume I mean if I'm using an amplifier and I set the volume to 30 and if I'm using a receiver and if I set the volume to 60 will I be hearing the exact same thing as far as audio quality? Were you able to discern a difference apart from the obvious volume level difference?

I have the denon 3600h and according to reviewers it’s about 80 watts 5 channels driven at 8ohms. I was looking to get an amp but there’s an emotiva basx a500 ($500) which is also 80 watts all 5 channels driven or would the outlaw 5000x ($750) be better since its 120 (135 watts from audioholics) all 5 channels driven?

Do you here any differens even do you set the crossover to the subbs at 80hz- 120hz..? Is it worth even for movies the poweramp..? Have you tested that..?

Thinking about getting the emotiva 500 but my av has no pre outs for fronts. Do I have to buy a new av with pre outs for the fronts then?

exactly the content I was looking for. Thanks, Channa!

The Denon also has individual level adjustments for inputs and for each speakers(12db increase or decrease)I'm curious if maxing those will get the rated output,at least in stereo.And I think ECO mode will also influence the output. I wish they would have made a pre.Take the 1300,take out the power amp,add some rca connectors,and done.500$/€ 7.1 pre. I have the X1300W,small room,and I have to turn to -30 to -25db to get some decent volume.

Can you have a regular audio amplifier set up alongside a avr receiver and switch between the two for various uses

Hey u know how properly hook up the monster avs 2000 and monster htps 7000 properly using the trigger mode to power them on and off?

You should do a 2 channel comparison between a preprocessor and a preamp. Adding an amp makes sense, but after you do and want to improve 2 channel music, should you buy a prepro or a 2.1 preamp with home theater bypass? Do you have your Hint 6 with your home theater using the bypass option? If you do, how does it compare with 2 channel music to your reciever, using the preouts to an external amp?

I have a 5.1 but not looking to expand. Not sure what my choices are to get more amplification. I have the Denon S650h, I'm not a audiophile like you and most of your listeners.

Hi I use Yamaha RX-677 AVR & KEF 2005.3 speaker system. Kef says it has 100w output and AVR says 90w (8ohms, 0.09%,THD) 20-20khz 2 channel driven . My question Is, do you think I should introduce a power amp for this setup ? Appreciate some advice

so is the halo amp just for playing music and then you go back to the denon for movies or can you use the halo and denon at the same time for movies and still get dolby atmos

Hi Techno Dad, I have a very basic question and I am leaning towards getting your suggestion. I have ceiling speakers one per room and have it in 5 rooms. I just need a basic equipment for the speakers to work in all the room. What is your recommendation?

Do your homework, receivers generally can't keep up with dedicated amp, but there are expensive integrated that put some serious clean power. I still like separates for flexibility, though those integrateds seem so much less clutter. Also get one with bypass for your ht processor/receiver for tv.

What do I need to buy to make my pre amplifier bluetooth

hi..thanks for putting up a great video explaining the subtle differences in really pushing out magic from the speakers...as you rightly said, the AVR advertised power really doesnt deliver the way its supposed to... i have a HT set up - Yamaha Aventage RX 1040 AVR Receiver (rated 110 watts per channel and 2 channel driven/ 135 watts 1 channel) paired with PSB Imagine X2T floorstanders (Nominal 8 Ohms, Minimum 4 Ohms rated, 90 DB sensitivity) + Imagine XC Center Channel (Same Ohms and sensitivity as X2Ts) + ELAC B5 (6 Ohms)+ SVS PB-1000 powered sub woofer. The AVR has 5 channel pre-outs for connecting to a pre-amp/power amp. The set up is used 60% for Movies and 40% for music. All content played is through streaming over wifi or HDMI inputs from cable set top box or content from the macbook air (no JR river or similar apps being used and source output is direct). The room size is 25 ft length, 15 ft width and 10 feet height. For now i'm pretty happy with the set up - usually max decibal levels are around -10 DB (AVR volume range is -69 DB to +16 DB). But i 'think' adding a dedicated power amp for 3 front channels can add alot to the dynamic range, sound stage and overall headroom. had a few questions, would be great if you can help - 1. Basic question - Would adding a solid state power amp or an integrated pre amp make a huge difference? (iUnderstand Integrated amps help add more sources but lose out on what crucial - i.e power. An i dont need more source inputs in the system as the AVR is my main integration unit) 2. Should i look at the same manufacturers power amps/ integrated amp (Yamaha) or pairing it with others (e.g. Emotive X) would be ok? How important is matching and gain control for this? Would i lose out on sonic consistency, quality or output levels? 3. Which would be a good premp/power amp to add considering the recommender rating for speakers for X2Ts is 200 watts and center is 150 watts. The AVR dynamic power for Front L/R channels is at 8/6/4/2 ohms is 135/165/210/280 W respectively. Read somewhere that the AVR actually does 75/80 watts per channel instead of 110 advertised but the Aventage AVRs can push the req. loads when peaks are req.) 4. What would be a good budget option (say around 500$) for the pre-amp/power amp? 5. What would your suggestion be to improve the sound quality & output (considering room treatment, acoustics etc. being same) Suggestions welcome!! Thanks and keep adding more videos!

where can you buy parasound stuff ? might sound stupid but after checking around I can't seam to find a place.

I agree that setting the volume controls "halfway" does not mean the amplifiers are putting out the same volume. It would seem to me that to make the test valid, you would need to run a level setting tone through the Parasound, and set an output level, say 80 dB, measured by a sound level meter. Then do the same thing with the Denon, and set the volume to the same output level as measured by the meter. Then, with your audio computer, you would compare the graphs of the recorded "Solar Sailer" segments from the Denon vs the Parasound, and look for differences in the traces. If there is no difference, then repeat the test at 90 dB measured output. You will get to a point, I'm sure, where the AVR will run out of power and can't faithfully reproduce the sound clip, in comparison to the more powerful amplifier, and the traces will no longer track together. Then, you can make a conclusion, that the AVR can, or can't, provide a suitable level in your listening environment to meet your requirements, compared to the higher power amplifier. But guys being guys, I'd go for the higher power amp just to be on the safe side! Thanks for the videos.

If i have a denon 720pma amplifier could i have a subwoofer and four speakers (a and b speakers) or should I just get an avr receiver and then can have lots of speakers and a subwoofer but im told that the sound for music isn't as good on avr as a regular amplifier? Please help im new here!

what would you recommend for the bowers and wilkins 706 bookshelf speakers under 500?

I have JBL Arena 180 fronts + JBL Arena 125C + JBL Arena 120 surrounds and i am planning to go with Marantz SR5012/SR6012 My room size - 31x13x9(LxWxH) and entertainment is restricted to (21x13x9) [screen on 13' wall] Plan is to have 5.2.2 setup in future(7.2.2 if AVR is 6012) i am not sure when JBL say 20-200watts. what is the continuous power? Do i need a Emotiva BasX A500 to power my speakers or Marantz will do the job for me I don't want to burn my speakers with a lot of power, please help......

But not every volume knob is linear...

I just hooked up an Emotiva A-5175 to my Denon 3400H earlier & when I reran Audyssey, it put my left front to -7 & the front right to -5. Isn't that a little low because it sounds softer to me.

Every other video explains the difference between a receiver and an amp. We know what they are. This video explains what’s happening when they’re working. And has made me make my mind up whether to buy a better receiver or amp. Hello emotiva.

More vids like this please, and also where is the next part with the actual audio? Thanks

what were the channel trims set to on the denon? calibrated to reference?

There's a problem with the testing methodology. You're going off the display from the pre amp stage, but we don't know how well matched up they are. It also doesn't take the input sensitivity of the pre-amp stage.

Hey techno dad what kind of amplifier would you recommend me for a 5.1 systen to power the klipsch 260f tower speakers, klipsch 450c center and the klipsch 15m for surround back ?? I have the denon avr-x3300w and I don't think I'm fully powering the speakers thank you.

Most av recievers I've seen will only run like 90 watts rms. My klipsch are 150w rms and 400 Peake. Are there any receivers that will run close to 150w per channel ? Max volume my 90w rms 145w Peake sony strd 5.2 channel won't bairly budge my klipsch r 28f towers lol

Techno Dad.. Well im trying to find a power amp that dosent cost a fortune in Canada... cant find nothing beside the emotiva a300 cost about 520$ plus tax and its only a 2 channels amp my main use is for movies so i guess a 2 channels amp is worthless in this situation,, what do you think>? any advise on what i should look at thank you

Hi Bro is there any difference between An Integrated Amp VS Power Amp ? And Any suggestions in Yamaha also would 3 Channel would be begter for full front Stage or the 5 Channel ?

Willson Audio did a dyno test on an Onkyo av receiver and it far out performed its ratings.

Won't the results vary a great deal depending on individual products?

This is not the wright way to measure Watts! There may be differences in the input sensitivity of the amps man!

That's exactly what I thought recently since I switch from Onkyo to Denon. I used to use the Onkyo NR646 (350$), it drove my Klipsch Rp280f so well, I was satisfied with it except lacking of some function as playing music via NAS, or quickly connect bluetooth. Since the time I bought Avr Denon x4400h, I figured out that it was not powerful as my one Avr, I usually have to turn up to 60-70% volume on Denon Avr to get the same level volume as my last preference setting on Onkyo NR646 (50%). And for listening to music, I'm currently not satisfied with Denon at all, sometimes it not pass all the low requentcy to my subwoofer, and sometimes the bass is overwhelmed. May be I haven't set it up or calibrated probably, so I'm still playing with the settings.

Being clueless about sound nothing stands between my TV and my home theater but denon x4400h. I guess i was underpowering my x2 rp-280f, 450c, x2 r115sw all along. I'm planning to add x2 rp-260's for rear surround, can someone recommend me an AMP for all of that?

Yeah I am knew to all this Surround systems and Recievers and Amps. This is just something that I want to get into. Like I dont know what's good and what's powerful I could use some help. for Recievers I like to go with Denon. But as far as amplifiers I dont know what to go with. I am looking at getting the most power out of my Amplifier. I am not worried about any costs.

Great video 😎 Does it matter what brand amplifier used Say the A/V receiver is Marantz ?

HEY TD i justgot my harmon kardon signature series 2.1 5 channel power amplifier back from the shop , and would"nt you know it the av reciever went out ! so i did what anyone would do at a time like this i got my dinosaur out of the closet , my denon av3300 not the avr3300w! she has the preouts i need to make the amp work . i never thought she would sound so good , but i"ll tell you right now listen too brick in the wall by pink floyd no avr can match it ! it works well with movies too. my denon will put out 105 watts per channel at 8 ohms all channels driven. but because i have 4ohm speakers and the reciever can do 4 ohms its actually closer too 150 watts ! if you look at the specifacations thats what will help or just look at the wieght of the reciever the less priced avr"s are very light wieght where a higher priced one will be much heavier!

Did you ever get around to doing a review on the Parasound Halo Integrated?

Thanks for your great videos, I've watched quite a few from. your arsenal. you've been a huge help in my search for an AV receiver. I have a video request. maybe you could make a video for ultra noobs, and explain every detail for people who know nothing about the subject. thanks man!

Amps have more power but you need an AV receiver to decode 5.1. So just buy an AV Receiver and connect the speaker outs to the amps speaker in so you can have more power.

Picked up an Integra 50.3 today and all I can say is DAMN this AVR is a thing of beauty to tinker with. Subbed 👍🏻🍺👍🏻

what about a 2 channel stereo receiver vs amp because I have a av receiver for hometheater pioneer that's says it's 120 watts per channel and I have a Yamaha 2 channel stereo reciver that's 100 watts per channel that's true high power !! it'll rock out way louder than my home theater why i dont pay alot for maps to push my big speakers cause i dont need it bit i have a sansui se9 eq hooked up also in my 2 channel receiver

How to connect 2 channels amp to 7.2 receiver, both are Onkyo?

I look at the wattage of the power supply of said amplifier or AVR before the questionable watts per channel ratings. It will never output more than the rated power of the power supply. Whatever the manufacturer quotes for watts per channel with whatever conditions they used to define that rating can't violate that rule. Measurements are fine but how do we know how linear each device in you test set was? Does setting them to the half way mark represent 50% of the power supply's rated output for both units under test? Want to know how powerful an amp or AVR....start with the power supply rating then look at watts per channel and the way the manufacturer defined watts per channel.

hey! you did it the wrong way. you are just measuring output level at a given volume knob position. the correct way is to level bouth amp at the same output, lets say 88db. then you need to measure distortion and power output at the same load. this is not a easy task to do, but it will give more real results. edited: to do the test the right way you should find a oscilloscope, put some heavy duty 8ohm dummy loads on the amp them feed the amp with a sine wave at 1khz. crank the volume up until you find distortion on the oscilloscope, measure the voltage output and do the maths. this is the correct way to measure output power on amplifiers. you said, you need to double the watts to acheive 3 db at given speaker sensivity. so reversing the math and assuming the parassound, the loudest, was running at +-80w the denon was outputting +-10w.... this is fairly low. the only conclusion you can take from this test is that the volume knob position isn't a accurate way to measure power output

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This dude is crazy with the jokes!! That hairstyle is hella funny he knows what hes talking about though. Great video my man keep it up!!!

Hi Techno Dad! Great video! Leaving aside the power, and analyzing the audio quality, would you say Denon got the same sound quality from the amplifier for "normal" volumes? Thanks!

All I want to know is if amps sound different from each other. THAT is a very important question. I've heard that in reality they all sound the same, as long as they are not played into distortion.

Techno Dad, which would you recommend, av receiver and amp. Or pre/pro and amp?

Hello techno Dad thanks for the videos there are really helpful for people like me who don’t know much about home theater system and I would like to know what reciver do you recommend me to get I recently got a some klipsch speakers RP-260f + RP-440C + RP-250S and I also have R-15M bookshelf speakers what reciver should I get to get the best of my speakers please I hope u can help me

Agreed my denon is rated 125 watts a channel. My parasound A23 is rated 125 watts a channel. Parasound blows denon out of the water it even has a better sound more fuller and more punch is how I’d describe it ✌️🙏❤️🇺🇸

I would like to see you investigate into how Audyssey tunes setups with a low power AVR bias. Audyssey assumes that you are powering speaker with the AVR so that even if you do add a power amp, Audyssey still sends as much of the power frequencies as possible to the sub-woofer. After redoing my setup with external amps, I had to modify all the settings manually. Otherwise Audyssey would just ignore the power available and still send way too much to the sub-woofer making the external amps and full range speakers near useless.

I say crown xls1002 with a surround sound preamp processor to get full power to all channels and crown amp are at a good price..

I have a 50 watt Nad integrated and a Parasound 160 watt integrated. If I have the volumes set at 50% the Nad will blast you out of the room while the Parasound will be a nice listening volume. Volume knob positioning is irrelevant when comparing two different components for wattage/power.

man, AvR is not just amplifier and an amplifier cannot decode DTS audio from HDMI. An Av receiver can deliver 150 watt per channel into a 6 ohms load.

Awesome video! Incredibly interesting. Thank You for all the work you put into it!

Excellent video, thanks again, do you think its possible you can give us new comers into the hi-fi world , a part #2 to this video showing /describing which and how many separates would be best or not needed , for listening to music and hometheater movies..at Reference levels or general top listening levels.., please if I may ask....avr receiver, signal processor, power amplifier, or amplifier,pre amplifier, dacs, power line conditioners..etc ????

I installed an Emotiva XPA-5 three years ago to power my speakers. Although the Pioneer AVR I had actually delivered most of the advertised power I still felt like I was missing out. Man, what a difference it made! The dynamic headroom makes all the difference! An AVR just cant deliver the same dynamics... period. Although in most situations most listeners MAY not notice the difference, the difference IS quantifiable! Since my AVR had pre-out's (An absolute MUST). I had the opportunity to do a side by side comparison. The Emotiva rated at 200 Watts per channel ( ALL Channels Driven!) EASILY beat the output power of the reciever's rated output (110 Watts per channel) as expected. I will never go back to just relying on an AVR to give my speakers what they demand!

Hi Techno Dad, I don't want to hate on your video, but I have to agree with one of the commenters below. As soon as you said you set them both to 50% volume, I was like how is this going to be a fair test? They are products from different manufacturers and we have no idea what 50% volume on one device correlates to 50% on the other device. I think your video can be misinformative and swaying people away from a product on bad conclusions. I'm not saying that the Denon isn't less powerful, it might be, but it could also be that the Denon chooses to push out 10 Watts at 50% volume and the Amp chooses 40 Watts. I think a fairer test would be to drive them both up to the same db level regardless of volume indicator, and measure their wattage output, and then keep driving them up until they start to distort. And see what the output of each is then. I dunno, there might be better tests as well. Just think the one you did is unfair.

Why you are avoiding pioneers receivers? 🙄 with my small research I read that they have more power and they run cooler because they are class d amp what's you opinion? 😊

so you wouldn't want to use the amp inside of the a/v receiver to push hungry high end speakers I see they lie about power in the audio receiver it's just the brain got ya I use a 2 channel receiver yahama RX396 and half way up it wants to blow my 15 inch 3 way Kenwood speakers out of the box then on speakers b I have my Bose 301 when running A And B at same time with sansui se9 eq sounds amazing !

Deception from manufacturers... I just sent my Denon back... Looking for something better but still affordable tough gig these days on a budget

So do you have to spend a thousand dollars to get a a/v receiver with preouts Techno Dad

My 1995 receiver wish is 300watt no per channel but per sections wish is =50 watts per channel maybe ur was set up the same I don’t know may b

Your thoughts on Emotiva speakers?

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I need your help. I am trying to figure it out for 2 weeks now. I have an LG home theater 5.1 channel that i have loved for 6 years until the receiver gave up. I had set it up to my LED TV before via Head set input to AUX in of the home theater through AUX mode. So everything the TV plays, goes out to the 5 speakers and subwoofer. Since my home theater receiver is no longer working, I am trying to purchase an amplifier that matches these speakers to do exactly the same set up (headset input to aux in). But I am having a hard time matching my speakers to the AMP. Especially, taking note of the Watts and Ohms which i believe critical. I have 5 speakers 141 Watts @ 3 ohms at 1kHz w/ 282 Watts Max input each plus a passive subwoofer 145 Watts @ 3 ohms 60 Hz w/ 290 Watts max input. The total wattages of all the components is 850 RMS. Please help me find the right Amplifier wattage for my speakers. This is for home use only. I use maximum of 70-80% volume only which is already way to loud for my taste. I love loud bass music. I saw Amp that states 500 watt x 2 which i don't understand if this is per channel or total. Also, most of the Amplifier Ohms i see is 4ohms and above. My speakers are 3 ohms. Are these ok? Please englighten me. I just want to use these speakers and subwoofer for the same set up.

Mr. Dad you have the finest audio video channel, you explain in a plain language unlike other channels that I have no idea until the end when they call the winner. I want to learn again I was in this hobby back in the late 1980 remember super VHS, lol. We come a long way and watching many of your videos. Just a Q. after learning how big to go with sub woofer by cubic feet, I got 2 HSU 12". Do you think Onkyo 830,or 820 is good match with the monolith 7 x 200 for movies? Thinking this may be my next purchase I can get the 830 at Gibby's at $499. It was a$1500 AVR last year. I just subscribed! Cheers from Canada 😁

Not a valid test. Volume knob position doesn't correlate to power output or gain.

Receivers today have more than enough power for any size room. No matter what you're told, amplifiers are a waste of money. There is no difference in sound clarity. What you hear is all in your imagination. Reading the other comments, others have also bought into the scam. Only reason for an amplifier is that it looks fancy on a gear rack.

I agree that it is time for manufacturers to start telling us what we really get instead of these fantasy numbers. It would take some time though for people to understand why all of a sudden the amps that were putting out 140 watt/channel now only puts out 60-70 watts/channel. People want to be deceived. They want to be able to say my receiver puts out so and so many watts.

Title should be which one has more gain?

Great video , but I guess right ? These speakers love power ! I also want to thank you for your advice on my selection my set up sounds amazing! Playing vinyl or listening to music from RU-vid, I haven't put on a CD yet . And the movies are insane thx for the Dolby atmos demo. The only thing when doing the demo I don't get no sound threw the atoms speakers but when I put the movie demo I get the sound threw them weird.