One of Bayonetta 3’s most annoying habits for me is it’s over reliance on giant enemies in almost every Verse. I get that it was done to incentivize using/summoning Demons, but it gets very old very fast. Very rarely do you ever have a chance to let loose with your combos because all the giant enemies don’t stagger, and even if there are humanoid enemies that CAN stagger they’re usually paired up with a giant enemy so you have to continue break your combo as to not get hit.
Honestly I prefer big enemies over the block tastic voyage of Bayo 2 because if you have the parry accessory equipped you can still wail on the big ones without losing your combo or relying on demon slave.
That's the thing you can style them with staggers but like Wonderfull 101 to get a stagger you need to know how to break the enemies defense using specific skills that's why using the Demon Slaves are essencial while taclking more complex mechanics of the game
I think the problem a lot of players have is that "demons" and "normal combos" seem to be two separate things in their gameplay, but for me they were always intertwined. You can do a combo and easily insert Demon attacks between your normal hits that'll stagger/guard break pretty much all enemies, and then you can go wild with your normal combos. You don't always have to be standing still to summon a demon, nor must you use them in the form of combo enders or counters. You can literally just buffer demon attacks seamlessly between your own, making even the largest enemies absolutely helpless. And regardless, the sheer number of demons and their incredibly varied and unique tools for cracking shells and heads is just so much fun and adds so much depth that the notion of it "getting old" was hard to consider. There's just so much tech ready to be explored here. I think the real issue with Bayonetta 3 is, with all this in mind, it is ridiculously easy compared to prior games, but honestly I think that was the whole point. This is Bayo at her utter god-slaying peak, of course she's going to treat everything around her like trash. The very existence of Viola (who's is toned down to almost Bayo 1 levels) emphasizes Bayo's godlike status.
My main issue with Bayo 3 is that they tried to do a "passing of the torch" like DMC4 tried to do with Dante and Nero but without letting the "nero" actually be portrayed as someone worthy. In DMC4 Nero was playable a lot more and ultimately he is the one that takes out the final boss. Viola gets 3 stages and constantly gets wrecked and doesn't even get a round in on the final boss and just has the shadow eve fight in the credits. None of that screams competent new protagonist and while letting her have room to grow in the first place is a good thing she still needs to be competent to feel like her replacing Bayo is the right move.
@@holdenbobolden622 Viola is such a weird character in that they try to make her both super competent, badass sword fighter, but completely goofy, awkward, uncoordinated. Those two opposite spectrums don't mesh at all. But tone problems is what the whole game throughout had so meh. still pissed bayo gets all the customization and viola/jeanne get nothing.
Honestly I feel the bayonetta series doesn’t work with a passing the torch thing, the series is called bayonetta, the bayonetta name has never been a name to just pass down and part of Viola’s whole thing was wanting to be called by her actual name. I think her theme even mentions this. I feel this series can’t comfortably continue unless bayo is our main character, not viola.
Yes, Bayonetta does embody Charisma, Uniqueness, Nerve, and Talent. PS: I liked the dance more than I'm comfortable admitting... I'm very uncomfortable now. 👍👍
The only problem I have playing as Viola is her witch time cuz it's hard to retrain myself to hit a different button for witch time. Other than that, I love summoning Cheshire and throwing hands. It's great
Bayonetta 3 is possibly the most unapologetically fun video game I've ever played. I love all three games but none of them brought me as much pure joy as 3 did. I was ALWAYS excited to see each new weapon and transformation, the minigame boss fights either had me dying of laughter or just gleefully wide-eyed, waiting to see what they had coming next. I get that the story rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but it really gets to me that so many people could let that override the absurd fun factor Bayo 3 has. Sometimes all I'm looking for in a video game is fun and I can't think of many other games in recent years that deliver exactly that more than 3 did.
The year is 2022 and RU-vid critics are still missing the main mechanic of Bayonetta? It’s not a get witch time and punish type of game, you can play it that way on normal and hard but dodge offset is the main mechanic and where the real fun and genius of the game is. I really wish Platinum did a better job of teaching players
The Bayonetta Stuff RU-vid channel has managed to master Viola in a Pure Platinum chapter for the first time, and how they managed to do it will leave you shocked. 😮 Plus, fellow Bayo YT analysts RakunX and Johto Jonny have managed to breakdown exactly how the story dialogues in the games, alongside the descriptions of characters, items, places, and enemies, directly lead to the next game, but also expand what the scope of the Bayo Multiverse is. Well, until Bayonetta 0 and Bayonetta vs. Dante (alongside others) will clear out the intended path.
not KBash in a maid uniform making me feel all kinds of things as I am overjoyed to have one of my favorite series (1 and 2, i haven't played 3 and probably never will) ever reviewed by one of my favorite youtubers. Well done sir, sexy Gaming Jesus in Maid Uniform.
29:23 I like Viola's personality and style, but the main problem I have with her is that gameplay-wise she doesn't really have anything unique going on for her like Nero did. She basically just feels like a weaker Bayonetta; anything that Viola can do Bayonetta can do as well (and often better). Nero had the whole Devil Bringer moveset and the Exceed mechanic on the Red Queen, as well as moves that required inputs unique to him.
I think the problem is that while Viola was teased to be "Bayonetta's Nero," it turned out that she was 100% her own thing and wasn't meant to emulate DMC's formula. If you recall when DMC4 first came out, people were passionately torn on Nero. As beloved as he would later become, when he debuted a lot of people resented him for appearing to replace Dante. They were like "who's this weird kid? We want Dante! Where are Dante's levels? You gave them all to NERO!? WRRRRRYYYYYY!!!" There was a genuine fear that this would be Dante's final outing, and people hated Nero for stealing Dante's spotlight during what could have been his last hurrah. So Bayo 3 did the opposite. Instead of forcing Viola into a starring role the fans weren't ready for and giving Bayo a bunch of half-assed levels, they made sure to give Bayo the most lavishly content-rich send off possible, and provided a preview of Viola that was interesting, but merely a glimpse of her future potential. After all, this was still Bayo's game, and Bayo was still the star. And thematically, the whole "Bayo can do it better" thing is intentional. Viola serves mostly to emphasize just how insanely powerful Bayo has become. Viola is young, untested, and has a lot to learn, and you can feel how awkward her learning process is as you, the player, awkwardly learn her mechanics. That said, I still think Viola has some pretty unique traits and plays VERY differently from Bayo. Her parry is obviously quite different and higher risk, demanding more positional precision and is far less forgiving than dodging (or Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa parrying). Her summon is powerful but can't be controlled, and removes almost all her defensive capability. Her gameplay is simply more difficult, and I think the theme in future games will be seeing her mature to her full potential, and eventually finding unique ways to stylishly crush her foes. It's just not her time yet.
Mich like Goku, i dont think Viola replaces Bayo, she is just Cereza's daughter in a universe different enough that Cereza got married to Luka If anything, this just means there are now 3 characters for future games, Bayonetta is Kamiya's favourite so unless you replace him , she will always stay
Just the usual reminder that Kamiya has nothing to do with Bayo 2 and 3. He is only the creatve director. Being a creativ director means nothing. He only comtributed to the scenario and created the characters. Its like crediting George Lukas for the star wars sequels.
All I can really say honestly is that I've heard of bayonetta for so long, but never had the chance to buy it. It's been on my radar for about 5 years now, but I only just beat the first and started the second yesterday (ok I got 4 hours thru 2). I was immediately hooked. I freaking loved Bayonetta as a character. Her confident exterior, the fear and loss she kept boiling just below the surface. I actually identify with her a lot. I might have found a female video game protagonist I like as much as classic Lara Croft. Edit: also, just so everyone knows, Bayonetta 4 was confirmed recently by Hideki Kamiya.
Honestly, I really like Viola's parry mechanic, but it's not as satisfying as a perfect dodge leading into witch time as it feels more appropriate towards most enemy attacks, aside from that Viola lacks the Depth that Bayo has, I think of Viola as V from DMC 5 who is more simple in terms of a hack n slash character
Bayonetta being rough on first-timer was very much real for me. So much of that game was just a pile of tiny frustration that I just hated to the point I just dropped it. Sometimes I feel like I should give it another chance and then I remember I only bought it to tide me over until DMC5 came out. And DMC5 was fun so why bother with Bayonetta when I could just replay a game that actually was fun from the get-go. But I'm probably just bitter the game just threw so many stone awards at me (like yeah, Platinum, I love being insulted by the game I'm trying to play, so much fun).
What, really? DMC is way more complex and difficult to pull off intrigue combos. If you're a DMC player Bayonetta is a cake walk. If anything, Bayonetta is too easy.
Honestly I'd give one another shot. Honestly seeing myself do so poorly git me interested in doing better in the levels but I admit, I'm a glutton for punishment
@@Tien1million I'm a huge DMC fan, and also a huge Bayonetta fan. I love all the games equally, and I come back to them regularly. And I will tell you with 100% certainty that Bayonetta 1 is much, much harder than any of the aforementioned games at a basic level. Say what you will about the combat; despite their similarities, these games aim for entirely different things and have very different tools, so it really comes down to what you prefer and what you want to do with them. DMC3/4/5 were about mixing up your moves and eschewed a strict combo counter for the infamous Style meter, which was more concerned with how diverse your moves were than how fast you could link them. Your style meter would slowly drain over time, but it didn't just reset after a few seconds. Thus, you could take some time to consider your next move, rather than frantically wail on everything. Once you get a rhythm going, I personally found it more relaxing rather than difficult. On the other hand, Bayonetta had a strict combo counter that would completely reset if you stopped hitting enemies, so combat was more about continuously attacking and knowing what moves gave the most points. This always felt more frenetic to me, as you could not. Stop. Attacking. You were forced to constantly take risks to keep your combo alive, and with Bayo's limited moveset in the first game, this could be quite the challenge. In any case, I'm always a little thrown off when I've grown used to gameplay in DMC3/4/5 or Bayo 2/3, only to come back to Bayo 1 and be like "holy shit why is everything so fast and hitting me from off-screen?" I basically never die in any DMC or the last two Bayos, but I always run the risk in Bayo 1.
@@Tenchigumi I love Bayonetta 1 combat and enemy encounters. Not so much for 2 and 3. Funny you mention that 1 is fast and stuff hitting from off screen, because I thought 2 is worse. A lot of enemies don't have audio and visual que to tell me when they are about to hit. Something Bayonetta 1 was great at, I didn't feel like I got cheap-shot. I don't pay much attention to the in-game combo counter. Usually I just try to chain as much crazy combo together, or experiment with as much different play styles as I possibly can. Anyway, the point I was making, or maybe it is just me, is that Bayonetta is an easier game to beat and to get started. I found it surprising that he was struggling. Compare to DMC 3 and 4, especially 3 if you played it at launch before they nerfed the difficulty, Bayonetta is a cake walk.
@@Tien1million It's funny you specifically mention off-screen tells, because 1 didn't really have that, but 2 explicitly did. For example, Enchant and trumpet Affinity can shoot projectiles from off screen without a tell (you'd only see their tells if you're looking at them), while basically all of 2's enemies have giant ground markings indicating that ranged attacks are coming from off-screen, like the big red skidmarks from shotgun Hideous, or the gold skidmarks of bow Acceptance. Even big bad Pain has ground markings before unloading its gattling guns. But I think I see what you mean. When I first played Bayo, I never really paid attention to the combo counter because it was sorta information overload compared to the easily understood gratification of "SSStylish!" in the corner. But once I learned the intricacies of combo points and multipliers (and the ridiculously large rewards you'd get from big combos), I realized just how differently I had to play this game from DMC. There's something about doing one massive combo and being awarded tens of thousands of Halos that's super satisfying. But once you start chasing those big, unbroken combos, that's when trouble starts. And it only gets harder when you have to balance it for speed and safety in pursuit of pure plats. I guess what I'm trying to say if you were to play Bayo 1 as intended, it's significantly more difficult than the other games if you play _those_ as intended. But if you play it exactly like DMC and ignore the combo counter in lieu just doing cool shit without getting touched, then yeah, I can see it being a little easier.
Homie's trying to say DMC and NG didn't have random ass bullshit inbetween fights as well? I had to drop DMC because there was so much not fighting! Dont get me wrong, I hate that shit in Bayonetta, but I'd rather apeshit space harrier than running around opening doors and backtracking.
The best part about the trilogy is how irrationally psychotic Sony Ponies get because they think Nintendo somehow "stole" the ip from everyone and they absolutely refuse to buy a Nintendo product.
I haven't really seen that myself (especially considering the PS3 iteration of Bayo 1 was a trainwreck), but I do lament that a series as bombastic as Bayonetta is doomed to hardware that will ultimately limit its full, wild potential. I love Bayo 3 a LOT, but having my Switch turn into a space heater as it struggles to keep the game above 30 fps and 720p is kinda worrisome. And while I eventually grew used to the framerate, I'll never get used to enemies completely disappearing and random objects popping in and out of existence at the wrong level of detail. All that to say... God I hope Nintendo gives us a Switch Pro, or a console that at least tries to scrape the minimum of current gen.
from what i recall, Nintendo was the ONLY company to pick up the IP after it didn't garner enough love and support and everyone else turned them away, and Kamiya already has been outspoken about how thankful he is for Nintendo doing the solid and saving the series from the jaws of death. So Bayonetta being a Nintendo princess is all fine imo.
@@TheSSBBfan666 Yeah, it blows my mind how Bayo 1 exceeded all sales expectations, but when presented the notion of making a sequel Sega was like "noooo, too high risk! We need more bad Sonic games, that'll save us!" And thus came Nintendo and its surefire success machine, the Wii U. That said, I appreciate the Nintendo support, if only because the Link costume gives you a built in Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa, effectively giving you two extra accessory slots.
i'm gonna be basic and put my opinion here and like a brief review too, why? because bayonetta is easily one of my favourite and most played game franchises, i haven't played the third game but i've seen enough to comment on it and i've played through both bayo 1 and 2 completely and am now currently going for a pure platinum run on hard in bayo 2 (i lost my copy of bayo 1 :c). the best way i can explain the bayonetta franchise using a dumb and niche metaphor is through the aluminum ball thingy that people were doing a while back where people would scrunch up a bunch of aluminum into a ball shape then go through a few stages that would eventually round out a crude ball shape into a shiny perfectly smooth ball bayonetta 1 is the equivalent of that crude ball shape, not that it's bad but rather chaotic, when bayonetta 1 has it's highs, it's the best in the franchise but when it has it's lows it can be pretty empty, i liked bayonetta 1 but it wasn't my favourite in the franchise (sue me) and that was because of what was explained well in the video, bayonetta 1 was more of a prototype than a game, it's less refined on purpose but that still doesn't make it a bad game, platinum games as a franchise is my favourite company when it comes to games just because everything they make is good, bayonetta 1 has an amazing story which has some of the most memorable scenes in gaming history, the gameplay is high risk high reward there's nothing more to say really it's overall a good time. bayonetta 2 is the equivalent of the final product of the aluminum ball, it's good parts and bad parts are rounded off into a perfectly smooth balance, bayonetta 2 still has it's highs and lows but the two never feel either as bad or as good as bayonetta 1, the reason why i prefer bayonetta 2 of bayonetta 1 is simply because there's more content in bayo 2 that's it, although bayonetta 1 was more focused on which time, i think the shift away from that in bayo 2 was actually a good thing because it forces you to take different approaches to fighting enemies in the second game making her witch time more of an opportunity to set up a combo that you can be rewarded from rather than a "hey look i dodged, lets just use a strong combo now", for example throughout my pure platinum run, whenever I get witch time i tend to force air attack combo's since most enemies are ground based which can lead to an easy full combo but against airbone enemies or bosses i have to take a completely different approach for example against airborne enemies i just use the attack where you spin your joystick 360 degrees and either kick or punch for the bullet attack since airborne enemies tend to have lower health, the story isn't as great but still continues the story of the game well enough and overall i just think bayo 2 is a better game since it can reach a lerger audience better also bayo 2 has the best soundtrack and best bayo outfit. bayonetta 3 is the equivalent of a second aluminum ball, it tries to copy the previous one but nothing is ever the same in any way, it can be similar but not perfect. what bayonetta 3 tried to do was be "new" but all it did was take what bayonetta was and put an entirely new spin on it and the developers didn't really care what became of the original game, it's torn between being new and being a successor of old, it's still about bayonetta (and viola) she still fights with her weapons and the way she fights is still largely the same but new enemies, new fighting mechanic, an entirely new storyline, to new players it's a blast of an experience but for old players it looks like a sell out, platinum took what the older players loved about bayonetta and basically retconned it for money.
i just turned viola in dark souls simulator but with the block accessory thing. that way even if i mess up a block its a bit forgiving, otherwise im dark soulsing it and pressing dodge regardless
Frumpy feminists have been reeeing hard for Bayonetta for a long time, mainly because they can't seem to cancel her for being unashamedly sexy. I am all here for it. I've loved Bayonetta since I stumbled upon the game at a yard sale. I suppose anyone would think Kamiya is sexist because Bayonetta forces every woman who plays the game into admitting she wouldn't be as appealing if she wasn't female. Well, fuck me then, I am sexist. Bayonetta says be not afraid to wield your femininity as a weapon against evil, and I echo her in every way.
I dunno. Maybe I just don't "get" anime, but watching Viola suffer pratfall after pratfall like some shonen protagonist gets really tiresome. It's like her life is just a series of dreams you have where you realize you're standing in your underwear in front of people and then wake up in a cold sweat. I love her visual design, moveset, and think her VA is killing it in combat line reads. But I also wish I had hit skip on the majority of cutscenes.
I think the thing is that despite Platinum teasing Viola as "Bayo's Nero," it turned out that was absolutely not what they were going for. Nero got to debut as the lead protagonist in DMC4... And people _hated_ him for it. The fans wanted Dante, but got a lot of Nero, and Dante was left with a bunch of badly rehashed scraps from Nero's levels. That was not how fans wanted the torch to be passed, and it took over a decade for Capcom to finally rehab Nero's character and give Dante a proper send off. Bayo 3 did the opposite. Instead of forcing Viola to take the lead and giving Bayo half-assed levels, they gave Bayo glorious amounts of content and merely hinted at Viola's potential. A torch would eventually be passed, but only after Bayo beat the ever-loving shit out of a reality-devouring digital god in a game where she was at her absolute peak. It was clear that Viola would get her turn to lead _next time._ Viola wasn't Nero, and while people can be torn on how she was handled, never forget just how much backlash Nero got for DMC4.
Bayonetta is supposed to be perfect if you are not playing the game like a perfect being you are not playing the game at all and that's basically why this is the hardest F-ing game to get a good score in
The problem with Bayo 3, to me was just suffering from “multiverse” problems. It’s… really hard to write a good multiverse plot, and They did not. The Egyptian and French Bayo’s were steps in the right direction but they didn’t push it at all in the second world. It also jsut felt like it was missing her trademark sass and power, like constantly you’re just seeing everyone dying constantly and she doesn’t really try to intervene at all, to the point it feels like she’s just not there. Also god damn the ending just kept bouncing back and forth between amazingly good and amazingly bad- like borderline disrespectful to the character herself.
I kinda wish Bayonetta would invervene with the deaths of the people around her too. Like, I do get that she did say she's not the "saving type", But I also don't feel like she's the kinda person who'll watch pretty much an entire country get absolutely slaughtered infront of them. Like girl, it's just two big homunculi, just jump in the middle of the crowd and summon a demon. She's never had a problem intervening and being nude around people before, so It does seem a little out of character for her. I also wish the ending was slightly better- It kinda kept dragging on, and on, and on. Like, there were what, 7 almost-deaths? And each one of them slowed down the action. Despite that, I did cry a little at the ending though. Even if I was kinda annoyed that the galpals tension between Bayonetta and Jeanne didn't actually have any real conclusion other than Jeanne's death.
yeah if they fleshed out the multiverse story even just a little bit, included new concepts regarding the story instead of new mechanics and didn't make bayonetta more of a watcher, i think it would've been a more enjoyable game. it felt like nothing was learned from 1 and 2 and we were supposed to just forget about them.
I think you’re out of your mind. She’s better than ever, and the ending was amazing. I think people just don’t understand what happened because they only watched it once and didn’t analyze it like the should have.
@@sandy_carpetsthesecond5013Just because the Bayo we play as wasn’t into Jeanne as a lover doesn’t mean a different Bayonetta and Jeanne weren’t. I think the Egyptian ones _definitely_ were.
Bayonetta as a character to me is a much needed mentor for other female protagonists to follow. Not in her look but in her personality and attitude in general. In most games women are regulated to the arch types and usually kept there. Bayonetta is a new arch type that hasn't been explored before. A female protagonist who is not only aware of her femininity but also owns it and weaponizes it to her advantage both in and out of battle. Most women are conflicted with messages like "Your more then your body" "It's the inside that counts" and other vague half assed messages. Bayonetta tells you OWN YOUR BODY and use every advantage you can! Most female characters in games treat their bodies like shells or are made to be unaware of their own sexiness or beauty. Bayonetta is totally aware of her body and who she is which is a new standard for females in general in game media. In fact the only female characters in most cases that are aware of their bodies are the villains in most media, demonizing women who use their own body to their advantage. Bayonetta not only destroys that narrative but shows a women can be aware of her body and still be a good person.
I wonder what you might think of Nariko from Heavenly Sword, when it comes to female hack-and-slash type action games. She doesn't lean into owning her sexuality as such, but due to lore context of the story she's in, she is very much discriminated and shunned within her community for being born a woman. Well, that's a specific take, because there's this prophecy of a man who would wield the Heavenly Sword and slay the tyrant, and she's no man. So it's more that she's discriminated against because she's not living up to pre-written rules before her life even began, and these rules all tie back into the titular Heavenly Sword. Yet she has someone to love and to protect within her community, and however strained, her father still wants to be a father to her. And to protect these two people -as well as the very clan that demonize her, so it would be understandable if she chose to let them suffer- she takes up the very weapon of which the existence messed up her life before it had a chance to begin. And in a matter of days, it will claim her life. Like anyone else who isn't the predestined hero. So she wields the Heavenly Sword throughout the story, and at the last stand of her people, cornered by the tyrant's forces, the sword finally claims her life. That's how her story begins, actually. And from there it's recounting the events of how she got in the Heavenly Sword's afterlife. And the most awesome thing is this. She realizes that the sword is useless without a wielder. It would just be a trophy of war, safeguarded so tightly that never it would taste the battle again. It would break the vicious cycle of people fighting over the sword so that people would take up the sword to defend it. So essentially, Nariko intimidates the f*bleep* out of a shard of heaven itself to bring herself back from the afterlife. For long enough to defeat the tyrant and safeguard her few loved ones' futures. And in this contentment, she truly passes on. And her once thankless clan gives her a funeral worthy of a goddess of battle. Some might look upon the story more critically and I may be telling it in a more romanticized way here, and the game itself's got rough spots (like so many). But when it comes to female protagonists in games, for me, a random stranger on the internet, the story of Nariko sticks with me. Also Jade from Beyond Good and Evil.
This is a great comment, but to be fair, I don't think there's anything particularly vague or half-assed about statements like "You're more than your body" or "It's the inside that counts", and neither is mutually exclusive with the equally, or at least very, important message that you own your body, and it's yours to use how you see fit. And the only reason that I bring this up is because asserting that people should feel comfortable using their bodies to affect change in their external world is a good message, but it rings a bit hollow for people who, for whatever reason, are limited in their capacity to do that. It's conspicuous that more women in games don't express an appreciation for their bodies (or at least the things they can do with them) in games, but only because more women are closer to Bayonetta in games than in real life. Because telling someone to not be ashamed for using their body as a tool to their own ends assumes that they *can* use that tool, but the ability to make use of a tool is dependent on the environment that tool exists in. You can't chop a tree with a hammer. Some people just *are* axes, others are knives, others are screwdrivers. That's not something that's in their control. I think the more important thing to emphasize, which I think Bayonetta also does (though maybe just implicitly), is the interaction between someone's body and their *internal* world, that is, how they feel about their body in relation to themselves. To return to the tool analogy, to recognize that your body is a screwdriver in a forest, and love the screwdriver anyway. Granted, this isn't a... terribly uncommon theme in media in general, but certainly so in games, and that's usually because the kinds of stories that games tell don't have space (or the characters) to focus on that sort of thing, and when they do, they usually opt for the, "It doesn't matter anyways" approach. Which, while I think that's true, I emphatically agree with you that it's a waste to disregard something that is yours, and that's often what people take away from that message.
Man, I vividly remember the days when Bayonetta rang all the alarm bells for sexual "immorality" and "objectification of women," and the marketing and hype leaned into those controversies for big publicity. To be honest, before I played Bayo, I gave it a huge eyeroll because of how ostentatiously it tried to sell sex. Now, I'm not a prude, and I enjoy attractive female characters as much as any others who are so inclined. But my mentality was that if sex was ALL this game was selling, then it couldn't possibly be a good game. I was so wrong. About everything. It was a fantastic game that would become one of my favorites of all time. Its usage of sexuality wasn't a crutch to mask bad gameplay, but an endearing (and sometimes zany) compliment to a charismatic and powerful female lead. In the face of all the controversy and pontificating about morals and sexism, it kinda just shrugged, did its own thing, and presented compelling new arguments as to what female empowerment could mean. Pretty cool for a game about spanking angels with magic pistols and punching God with giant fists made of hair.
I guess that's why fans will be pissed off at the ending of Bayonetta 3, isn't it? Bayonetta the character is genuinely progressive, using her body to her advantage and telling people that it's okay to be aware of it. But that didn't gel well with the writers of 3...
@@NebLleb yeah bayo 3 was so disappointing to me, it was not camp or as cunt as the two other games, at least not bayo herself. Her personality I feel was also watered down, I know it's little Cereza but it is still bayo and the romance between Cereza and you know who was just ugh, felt just forced and a little random after having shown bayo be indifferent to him.
My only real complaint is how toned down 3 was compared to 1. In 3 the most there are are some innuendos but in 1 the torture attacks always being played up, her sexuality being right there in your face. The game knew it was being overly sexy and campy and they embraced it. In 3 she just... Doesn't feel as sexually empowered but given the overall story it's not terrible.
When I read that the theme for her design was "cute", I was vindicated on this. But to be fair, I guess it fits. This is not Bayonetta, this is little Cereza from 1, grown up and trying to be like mommy (aka Bayo 1), to me confirmed in the final fight when she says "you didn't cried when I wasn't here right?". It kinda explains everything, even how this version chose Luka at all lmao. Bayo 1/2 would never xD
@@NIHIL_EGO No, it was great, not awkward. The hell? So what kind of sexualization would you say should have been put in the game? How would you have done it different?
@@NIHIL_EGO that’s awfully rude and kinda uncalled for. All I did was disagree with you and attempt to get you to elaborate on what was “weird” about how that fight handled the teasing side of Bayo’s personality
Bayo in 3 is written to be cool and badass all the time that they left out the campy and outrageous aspects of her personality that made her so endearing in the first two. Bayo in Bayo 3 is just your typical anime protag whose story took itself way too seriously
One of the main appeal of the franchise is that it's basically a mix between a high budget action movie and a drag queen show. In 3, it leans a tad too much toward the sooner.
In fact, I think this is the entry that that takes itself the least seriously, as events have no real consequence in the world once Singulariti was defeated (except for bayo and luka). I felt this game as a celebration, a goodbye, and an opening for the series to move on. Character deaths are metaphorical, it's the team's way of saying they want to try something different for the core game from now on, which is a logical step for a team like platinum games who doesn't like repeating themselves. The main titles will definetly stay as Hack'n Slash. I trush those guys too much, they put real hearth into their work.
I disagree. I think she was more serious because the situation was a lot darker and she didn't go up against sentient enemies for most of the game. There's no point teasing a goop boi. She still does sexy moves enough for the player to notice, though. That's my take.
@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged we get it dude. you have a completely out of wack with the rest of the world perspective on the game. you don't need to go "i diSaGReE BEcauSe acTuaLly iTS GReAt" to every critical comment. and you're also wrong: the enemies are all literally singularity. there's more reason to shittalk them than any enemy before--not that that's a real argument since talking shit is it's own reward. and for a situation that's "darker" she _sure_ doesn't react to _anything._ riding around on a boat like a goofball while her hometown and the millions in it perish.
@@malum9478 Idk why you’re portraying my point of view as so snowflaky when I never called it perfect. You’re just making me out to be an unreasonable douchebag. Plus, who the hell are you to say what the “whole world” thinks of this game? Have you asked the whole world?
Bayo 2 is in my opinion the best looking animation wise and has some of the best Bayo scenes in the series that capture the flash and heart of the character. I've never loved Bayo more than how she is in Bayo 2. This being said the entire game is balanced to be way easier than the first and that honestly really hurts it's replay value. In Bayo 1 on a harder difficulty I can't really just mash the one combo and survive but in Bayo 2 her first punch combo with the swords, her first combo with the scythe and her entire moveset with the Chainsaws might as well play the game for you
Heres some tips for new people getting into Bayonetta: 1. Learn dodge offset 2. Wicked weaves reset the combo hit decrease, do them consistently to get a great combo score 3. Taunt offset to show whos the boss 4. There are many ways to hold your combo: shuraba charge, panther dash, taunting, and holding your gun button. Just keep hitting an enemy so the combo doesnt end 5. Play how you wanna play !!! No combination is considered "bad", but if you wanna farm halos try kilgore x shuraba + gaze of despair. kilgore rockets are the same points, if not more than wicked weaves, they are the most broken thing in the game.
Bayonetta is the kind of character gaming needed. Too many serious characters, with even Kratos losing what made him unique to other game characters. AAA gaming just doesn't have characters with a personality now.
That's why Bayo 3 didn't work for me. Her character was so serious. I think they tried too hard to make her seem cool and forgot all about the other campy stuff that made her fun
Okay, I get the general criticism but Kratos has been actually improved in the Norse era. For all the shit you can say about GOW4 & 5, its handling of Kratos's character has been consistently great.
I agree with reviewers in the sense that the story is horrible. And yes, Bayonetta is not about the story but when the game WANTS you to be invested in it and makes it a big huge part of it creating the most attention any game of the series ever created, you start edging us for a good ride and then, make us feel lost. Kamiya said players didn't understand the Bayo 3 ending and story, and I disagree. We understand what you want with it Kamiya, we don't understand the whole point of the plot. You could have written way better, and knowing that you didn't do much on Bayo 2 just shows why that game's story is better. The gameplay on 3 feels better and more enjoyable than 2 but the story on 2 feels more complete, compelling and never misses a beat. You have fun the entire time. Bayo 3 makes you feel like a wild ride gone wrong. The game starts serious and sad, then gets campy, then goes back to sad. That's usually NOT how they made both previous games. Especially the second game. The middle has the sadness but the best part is playing through the credits with that high pitched music making you wanna kill angels and demons and be happy with it. B3 ending is just sour. About Viola, I love her. She's a better Nero. she's not even THAT hard. Her problem are the challenge chapters with her. Especifically those you need to parry to use witch time to kill enemies. You can't equip anything in her, you have to play with what you got AND, they make sure to make one of these challenges the very first verse, and put the most horrible enemies EVER to kill because they bounce everywhere and their patterns to parry is just awful. Again, to me, her situation is more the parts where they knew we would try and give up. And I don't like that. I don't like the ambiguity of the story. I don't like how they wanted us to believe a romance we never see happening, EVER. I don't like how --SPOILER-- they make a different version of Viola's family understand right away who she is and feel instantly in love with her by the ending. And that's what I think makes anyone who loves Bayonetta feels sour about Bayo 3. We don't play Bayonetta to be sad at the end. We play because we want to have a good time. And bayonetta 2 was able to give us all, the Campiness, the Lesbian Aunts we always wanted, the sadness by the tragedy the protagonist went through and theover the top endings that makes us feel happy to play the game. So in the end, as a long-time fan of Bayonetta, since 2015 I think, when I met the game on Xbox and I know, too late I feel like, the best challenge is in bayonetta 1 but its too hardcore, the best story and presentation is on Bayonetta 2 but it's too baby easy, and the best gameplay is in 3 with the battle, which is a mix of both bayo 1 and 2. The thing is: The truth is that Kamiya rushed the story, or at least feels rushed in Bayo 3, and I really wish that they decided to go the silly routes like Bayo 1 and 2 instead of this serious, campy and huge drama we play just to be ripped off at the end and feel sadness. That's a new feeling for Bayonetta's ending, and it's not aa good feeling. It's not a good sad. So yeah. I love all games though. I just wish this game was better and I guess this is another example of: Keep your expectations low. We saw it with Kingdom Hearts 3, we saw it with FF7 Remake and we're seeing it now with Bayo 3 XD
I'm wondering about why are you calling Viola a better Nero. It has to be gameplay alone, because the rest is just not even close to Nero. At least he fairly won his place and the love of the fans after starting as a whiny kid, becoming a true badass guy. Viola just took the glasses and the Bayonetta title off the ground and that's just not enough tomake her the new girl in the cover. Sadly I agree with you about the story. They hyped this and obviously we were led to expecting something good. But, is not even rushed, it doesn't make any sense. And Kamiya expecting us to be happy about it shows how disconnected he truly is from the fanbase. He was too busy having fun with his gameplay ideas and cramming the game with stuff, and I wouldn't be surprised if he forgot about the story until the deadline started to show. I mean, how many years we waited since the announcement? Specially that "romance" with literally nothing to keep it standing. Which I think can be taken down in two options: 1° Kamiya had to justify Viola's existence somehow, but didn't wanted to create another male character for it (because Jeanne is a no no, he wouldn't cuck himself on his flat waifu... Enzo doesn't count of course, and Rodin... He's there -way more respectful and gentleman like, but he's not a white bishonen guy so ew I guess??), or 2°: He really believes that Luka's creepy-cringe behaviour is romantic enough, and worthy to sweep Bayo's heart. And honestly both options kinda sucks lol Eh, I'm ranting way more than I should, but honestly, I don't care if Kamiya has a million more Bayo games after this. I'm dissappointed already, because is painfully obvious the story will not get better after 3.
@@Bane_Amesta Tbh we should stop breaking so much sugar on Kamiya's back, a lot of the problems probably came from the other writers/employess too. Also Viola should have been an Alternetta.
"viola is a better nero" said no one with more than 2 braincells jfc. i mean they're doing different things, and i do like viola, but her goober slapstick shit is too excessive at times. nero, especially in 5, is a very enjoyable character all the way through. and if you mean GAMEPLAY PFFFTTT. this is just a wild take.
This video might get me to go back and give 3 a bit more time. 1 is jagged bombastic 2 is smooth and has my favorite fight in the masked lumen sage brawls. 3 is good on so many levels, but its lows ripped the legs out from every high for me.
When I was playing 3, I kept telling myself that all of its flaws were forgivable as long as the ending was good... I know I'm being dramatic but I uninstalled the game shortly after I beat it.
What i love about bayo 3 - demon slaves - new weapons - the customization What i hate - hard challenge rooms - large maps so large i miss verses - umbran tears of blood are hard to get - viola’s gameplay
I think on the one hand the idea of the katana really appealing but on the other hand its just way harder, less fun, and slow compared to bayo. And her demon is original but less good and fun.
The Bayonetta franchise is amazing, and years before I started getting into the series, my child mind was amazed by the gameplay, cutscenes, cast, graphics, soundtrack, and story; and this was back in 2015(I think...)! Both Devil May Cry and Bayonetta, alongside other character action games like MGRR, etc are my go to when I want a challenge, and to entertain myself. Since Capcom and Platinum are working together on a new Dino Crisis game, I will continue sitting on my ass for that DMC x Bayo crossover to become realized!
Personally this is in the top 5 games of the year for me. I love the combat, the summons were my favorite part as well as the transformations and weapons you get from the other Bayos. I didn't like Viola as a character but I LOVED her gameplay as it was different and a bit challenging, really had to earn everything. Also Jeanne's sections were amazing, she reminded me a lot of Faye from Cowboy Bepop. I think the only gripes that I had were the ending and the lock on got weird but otherwise 9.5/10.
I love Elden Ring, am loving God of War Ragnarok, but when I summoned the clock tower demon for the first time it was the most alive I have felt in years.
More and more, I'm realizing that I'm in the minority of players for whom story comes first, gameplay second. I've started digging into the mechanics recently and I'm having a good time, but they weren't what drew me in initially. That was Bayonetta herself, her story & her character. And Bayonetta 3.. I think the direction of the games going forward is clear, assuming we get more games. But this was a clear warning, that if you don't like what Bayo 3 has to offer, you're not going to want to stick around for what's coming. I'll listen to the warning, and hop off here. It was a beautiful ride for the first two games, but 3 felt like falling off the back of the train.
@@Val17282I played one and two just to prepare myself for three. Let’s say the visuals of three were better than the story. I’m very much a lore person. In my best universe three has a good story with a campy girl boss ending
I wish I was able to provide a more eloquent response to this absolutely stunning comment, yet my lack in proficiency of the English language, due to not being an individual graced with it as my mother tongue, forces me to simply reply wish: "Werk, diva. Sniff. She ate."
9 seconds in and im already laughing my ass off props to you, kbash; your writing and humor is the reason why I can undauntedly click on half-hour videos on youtube about games i barely know anything about
Bayo 1 is still my favorite after all these years. My first playthrough was just me bumbling through the game utterly confused and getting my ass handed to me. Now, I have Pure Platinumed it on most difficulties and platforms (yeah, I still enjoy it so much, I keep purchasing the ports), and all I can say is that, although the game can be extremely punishing, it's equally rewarding. If you're feeling frustrated with it on your first run, stick with it - it's so worth it when you finally "get it". As an aside, I don't think that switching up the gameplay every now and then was due to the combat not being able to stand on its own. Especially in Bayo 1, which, in my opinion, to this day, has got the tightest combat system in the series. It's just a Kamiya thing. Personally, I don't mind it, although Pure Platting the missile segment almost gave me carpal tunnel. And there is always Angel Slayer with hours of non-stop combat for anyone who just wants to fight. :D
NGL my favourite addition to 3 is the ability to start from a specific verse, cause i HATE having to do the missile section just to get to that Jean fight.
Out of curiosity, how long did it take you to get a 100% pure platinum run? I have around 270 hours between the Bayonetta games, 150 on the first, but I still haven’t gotten all pure plat on 1
@@Raeyanetta My very first save file was almost at 300 hours when I completed PPing it on Normal, Hard, and Infinite Climax (the Xbox 360 version). It took a while before I actually decided to do a full Pure Platinum run, I was mostly just playing for fun, getting all the achievements, etc at first. Then I did both Easy modes too, but sporadically, in-between long Angel Slayer sessions.
@@Raeyanetta in my first pure plat run (normal mode) took me 18 hours (because i was bad and use the killgore glitch) in my second pure plat run it took me 11 hours (without killgore) glitch, now i am doing pure plat in hard difficulty and it is tooking me 14 hours (also i need to beat the last 4 chapters) Pd: i speak spanish so my grammar will be bad
The only Bayonetta game that actually functions as a videogame is the one that Kamiya didn't touch. I wish Bayo 2's combo and witch time system was more like 1's, but it's the only one I'm even remotely interested in replaying.
This is my favorite franchise ever! And I’ve played the first and second game about 5 times each! Ranked, my favs are: 1- Bayonetta 2 2- Bayonetta 3 to 9- Every single piece of media Bayonetta has ever appeared on. Including that phone shin megami tensei game where she was a summonable demon. 10- Bayonetta 3 because it technically has Bayonetta in the name. Amazing, high quality video.
Ya 3 and 1 are my favorites. 2 had cool art direction but to me is largely forgettable. I think bayo is so similar overall that people's preferences among the 3 is really gonna show which game is ones favorite
@@dez87 They definitely do combos do not stick they power directly through it also Also some of the gameplay is bad Her new guns are slow and bad and weak compared to other games and in order to play with love is blue or the first game pistols you’ll need a save what?????! Also no checkpoints before encounters The camera and autotarget is a complete mess. They also removed separate weapons for hands and feet which was a weird choice and bad at that why make such a silly step back? Also some enemies have really broken hitboxes and really is confusing to hit the dodge when you still get hit while mashing dodge lol a complete joke.
I am here a year too late but oh well. Regarding the difficulty of Bayo 2 vs 1 : The First Bayo game has the difficulties : - Very Easy - Easy - Normal Available at the start. BUT as you said the normal mode is absurdly difficult for a first playthrough, and I think it was Kamiya/Platinium being a bit sadistic and mentally manipulating players into thinking "What ?? No way I'm playing on Easy ! I'm gonna pick the highest difficulty right away." YET said difficulties *should* be named : - Easy - Normal - Difficult This is something the other two games change, with the available difficulties for a first playthrough being right away named : - Easy - Normal - Difficult. Here's where I'm getting at : *You picked "Normal" for Bayonetta 2, it's normal that the game felt easier to you than the first. You should've started directly with "Difficult" because it's equivalent to the first game's "Normal".* I swear to you if you had picked "Difficult" or tried Infinite Climax, you would've swallowed your teeth against quite a few enemies xD.
That was fun XD 10/10 outro I liked Bayo 1 and LOVED Bayo 2 and I am huge supporter of her as a character, I just havent had the time or the pull to play 3. That said, KBash you have a really unique way of making everything you talk about sound like a genius level masterclass straight from the souls of the creators. Heard it first in the TWEWY video, and I've caught glimpses of it in every video since. Love it, keep doing what you're doing 💯
Im honestly thinking of making a Bayonetta 3 review/analysis as my first “big” youtube video so Ill try to toss my thoughts out rlly concisely here Story: 1&2 are underrated and 3’s is so frustrating and poorly handled that it makes me appreciate the other two even more Gameplay: 3 has so much insane creativity with weapons and the demons its so impressive, viola is like the B1 katana + bayos gun-punches and kicks and shes really fun! Sadly she feels incomplete next to Bayo’s thesaurus of moves. I just wish she was as important/capable as kamiya wants us to think she is. Great video KBash!! 🫶🏽
I think thematically, the decreasing difficulty in each Bayonetta makes sense. In Bayo 1, Cereza has only been aware of the last 20 years after spending 500 years in a coffin: she's inherently powerful as the Left Eye of the World, but maybe a little rusty. In Bayo 2, Cereza learns the power of friendship and/or love, and uses it to demolish everything on the way to Inferno to save her best friend and/or super-special roommate, and thus has an easier time Umbran Climaxing on these losers on the way to saving the world on a whim. Again. In Bayo 3, Cereza reaches the absolute peak of power. Having already defeated two creation-myth Gods and the concept of death itself, she's now in her absolute prime, casually summoning kaiju monsters by Riverdancing, and happily trouncing a reality-devouring cosmic horror by OVERRULING ITS GRIP ON REALITY. With a Bayo this powerful, it's no wonder the game feels so much easier; most of the challenge comes from the framerate and lock-on shenanigans.
@@Subukuru Yeah, that part is a little weird, because I've seen compelling evidence to that notion, but at the same time the character bios state that the Bayos from 1, 2 and 3 all lived similar lives and had similar struggles (as a way to suggest that all three of them could have been the protagonist in every game), so I'm a bit torn.
@@Tenchigumi I think Alter Bayo 1 is from Bloody Fate while Alter Bayo 2 is from the Records of Time of her game, which is an alternate timeline in itself.
@@pablotomasllodra4423 So they're all different people on different timelines, but I think what their bios implied were that despite being different people, they still lived similar lives with minor differences, so all three of them could have been the protagonist in their own versions of the first two games. It's not the most elegant or sensible explanation for continuity problems, but at least they sorta tried? Also, fun fact, the Bayo who dies fighting Singularity in the intro is Viola's actual mother, and despite looking like Bayo 1, is ALSO an entirely different person.
I love this trilogy, and i was so ready to hail Bayonetta one of the best trilogies/franchises in all of gaming (i still might do so sometimes), but 3…. God the choices made for that game are baffling to me on so many levels.
