Haha funny you mention the 2010 Mini, I just got one. Its a bit slow, but it gets the job done. The SSD helps. It could use more than 4GB RAM. Runs Mojave well for the most part.
@@dustinschings7042 Look into updating your Mini's firmware, if needed, and upgrading to 8 GB. It should be possible. Although the machine only ever officially supported 4 GB, Apple put out a firmware update that made it possible to use 8 GB.
My 2010 mini gets so hot now I need to lock the fans on max to stop it from doing an emergency shutdown, but I’m sure if I pulled it apart and redid its thermal paste it’d be fine. I was using it as a server until it “died” in 2019, more than enough
@@dustinschings7042 ssd's help alot cause those old spinner drives do get slower with age and as the drive gets filled up where as the ssd will still run just as fast despite those variables
@@heyiamparker not RU-vid's opinion. 720p will always be HD. 480p will always be standard definition if you live in North America. I shouldn't have to explain it twice, they add shit in front of it to clarify. Standard definition 480, HD 720, full HD 1080, ultra HD 4k. Don't be a fucking idiot. I don't care if you don't think it's not HD enough to be HD it's not an opinion.
The most reliable ones seem to be the G3 clamshells and the G4 units that were made up to 1.2 Ghz. The 1.33 and 1.42 ghz iBooks often suffer from the airport lockup problem.
I can, I've been using an 867mhz Titanium PowerBook G4 for a couple weeks now. It seems to work ok for most things. I'm using Aurora as my browser on it and I can watch RU-vid pretty decently. A little buggy, but not too bad.
This is obviously way obsolete now. But still capable of the same exact tasks that were shown in the video. The problem is inability to run any remotely complex modern program on that hardware and the fact that it's so old means that it will break, and repair would be hard to find and economically inadequate.
These laptops are very easy to find, so repairing them and upgrading them is a breeze. They may not run the latest software, but they can still do most of what new software can do. Totally not obsolete yet.
"so reparing and upgrading them is a breeze" - absolutely random conclusion that is not based on anything, unless you repaired the laptop lately. Since they are pretty cheap, a simple repair would cost more than a new device. Collecting spare parts, doing diagnostics and microelectronics work for almost nothing - no sane service man would do that. That's true even for a lot more newer laptops. "still can do most what new software does" - bs, they can't. Not enough juice to run modern tasks even if there for some reason was some obsolete developer who would still continue it. Unless of course text editors is your "most modern software". overall this is a case of a fan who bases his judgement on his tech faith and religion rather than simple facts.
Alexey Filippenko sorry, because your random conclusion isn't it more random? You know that it only takes to figure it out yourself lmgtfy.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifixit.com%2FDevice%2FiBook_G4
The best way is to put the Leopard DVD in the drive and startup from that disc, format the hard drive before the install. You get a nice clean install that way.
@Chipudnik - The key was converting all of the clips over to the AIC codec BEFORE importing them into final-cut-pro. If I had not done that, it would have been misery trying to edit them.
Exactly. I'm writing this from a mid 2010 white Macbook which works just fine with 5gb of ram (I wanted to put 8 gb on it but didn't find a 1067 kit here in my country)
Nick Whitman Buy overpowered PC's because even if they get old they will have the same power as the new PC's. If u buy an overpowered PC in 2016 it will be still good to go years later.
I’ve been watching since 2016 and his channel definitely had more viewers than it did in 2011 but I thought the same thing, I was wondering how he didn’t have a million subs I think he was about 300k or 500k at the time
He mentioned in his iBook vs MacBook video that it was very rare for him to have a Powerbook G4 or a MacBook Pro since he didn't collect those machines at the time.
I have a mint and boxed iBook G4 with similar specs as the one you featured in this video! I've been considering pulling it out and trying some alternative PPC operating systems. Amiga OS being one of them
Back when this video was put out, I was using a G4 as my laptop. It was a gift because the desktop PC I had died. It was fine for a few months, until I needed to do some college work on Adobe software...the older versions I found didn't have working cracks so to keep using them I had to keep setting back the date on the G4 so the trail would never expire but that caused problems as it would make Safari think that security certificates were not real and block them all. So using the internet and Adobe was out of the question. The things I had to do because of that laptop...the battery was fucked as well, didn't last 20 Mins.
You can do all of the same things on them today as you could 2 years ago. But that is true of any computer. What happens is that new features arise on newer computers that often will not work on older ones. So yes, each year that goes by the newer computers can do more things, leaving the older one behind.
:) Wow, nice video... Ok, old now, over 5 years old, but still cool... I'll bet an iBook would still run just fine today, if you're ok staying with those versions of programs. Web pages would be slower of course, the web has become rather busy in terms of page design, but otherwise, those were made nice. Since you do PC stuff now, try the same thing on a Core2Duo, you might find it also does a good job. I have a Core2Quad Q6600 with a 40GB Intel SSD in it and 4GB of RAM and Windows 10 installed on it and it is shocking useful today, even in 2016. They can also be purchased for next to nothing on eBay (under $100).
this video is 9 years old tomorrow, I had trouble believing this was made in 2010,,, you've come a long way lol, im really pleased with your content today
Love your videos David. Keep up the good work! And thank God RU-vid started using HTML5 instead of Adobe Flash, but unfortunately many other websites still use it. Apple should implement it into iOS.
Hey man, love your videos, I have watched them since I was a kid. Time flies. I don’t know why the RU-vid algorithm recommended me this 13 years old video but here I am
This is my favorite tech channel! You have the same way of thinking as I do sir! I need devices that do basic stuff just decent! Keep up the good work!
Great video, it gave me hope for a bit with my G4 but I've got to replace the fans, optical drive, hard drive and battery. Some one told me at a store, not to bother with it and throw it away.
The biggest thing I'm wondering here is... How the FUCK were the PowerPC G4 processors so powerful!? I bought a cheap laptop (Gateway M-1624) back in... '09, or so? And it struggles to edit 720p. Which isn't a problem, because I build a custom rig, AMD FX-8350, and it's been great... But still... I remember ReviewTechUSA talking about this back in the day, and why he didn't like Apple anymore. And how PowerPC-based apple computers were expensive in this day, because they had epic performance, and were significantly better than the competition. I'd say that seems to be true. But the way it was shown here? There must have been something amazing going on at IBM at the time, and even now. Look at those graphene chips they're making. Incredible stuff, that is.
XtremeConditioning The answer to your question is... AltiVec. It's basically the equivalent of the Intel MMX instruction set for PPC hardware and was actually a LOT more grunty than MMX and a lot more used. Final Cut and such were basically using a dedicated chunk of silicon that exists to accelerate video/audio editing and rendering. I did a ton of transcoding videos in 2012 and an old G5 iMac was running rings around Core 2 Duo machines.
Sissy Oh, btw, in today's day, when you see CPU's advertised as having built-in features regarding rendering etc, is that truly the same concept, or is it different from having a dedicated piece of CPU doing those processes?
Unless its specifically saying 'handoff' then its the CPU doing it rather than a dedicated chunk of silicon. Most of the extensions to a CPU (SSE, etc.) these days are for the most part juggling the path a given instruction will take to speed it up or send it to a specific part of the processor (like its floating point unit).
Reminds me of how great the internet was only 6 years ago. I had a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver with a dual 1.2 Ghz (I think, might've been 1Ghz) Sonnet G4 upgrade and a Radeon 9800 GPU. Ran as well as anything else I had and was fast enough to be my main machine. Didn't notice any differences in speed between it and my 13" MBP for iTunes, web browsing, and even 3D gaming.
I have a G4 which I haven't used in years, and I recently used it again to see how it still performed and I'm genuinely surprised that it is still a relatively quick little (yet heavy) laptop. Flash is a no-go, but applications load quickly and should my desktop ever bust, relying on my G4 wouldn't be such a pain.
Flash is sadly turned off in a few months killing thousands of games and media websites that many people put lots of work and effort into making just because Adobe says so. Now that flash is not an issue for those old Apple devices anymore RU-vid and even Wikipedia still won't run on those old browsers. I think it's sad that they don't work as intended only because of outdated webbrowsers. Same with Windows XP, 2000 and 98. Back in the 80's you could buy a computer and you knew it could still work as intended (if it's not physically damaged of course) in 30 years and all software you bought back then would start up in 2020 just as it was supposed to do in 1985. Now you buy something and from day one it's basically waiting how long it takes before some big tech companies slowly start to strip your device of most of it's features. Web browsing? Forget it, your browser is too old now. You want to run Apps you bought back in the day on your iPhone 3G? No way it runs on iOS 4, maybe you can have an old version if the developer thinks that you as their customer are still worthy enought to get what you paid for back in 2010. Mobile network? Nope, 2G and 3G get turned off in favour of 5G because then you can sell expensive 5G contracts to wealthy early adopters with $1000 smartphones.
My eMac from 2002, (700Mhz, PowerPC G4) running OS X Tiger 10.4.11 can officially be considered obsolete. Web browsing is a pain, lag is an issue if you have multiple tabs open and there's lag even while browsing normal websites such as Google results or news websites. Not to mention the browsers for it are ALL out of date. Flash, while very bad as is, doesn't work at all and RU-vid continues to break on the PowerPC platform as time goes on. I installed YouView and MacTubes but after switching ISP's, those apps don't work and "time out" The latest iTunes isn't compatible with Tiger or the eMac and so newer iPhones/iPods and iPads will NOT work with the computer. You can still listen to music though and you can also listen to music via Spotify, but I'm not sure for how much longer it'll be available on the PowerPC. Office work is possible but the latest version you'll be able to run MS Office is 2008 or earlier. Not many Mac users play games but if you were wondering, modern games won't work and even games like Minecraft won't work either. If you're going to buy one of these, don't expect them to work for everything you need, they're very nice computers just now very obsolete even with a 1GB RAM upgrade.
I use an iMac from 2006 (One of the first intel ones) and surprising it runs really well. I use OS X Lion on it and every thing works fine, even RU-vid runs fine in HD videos. I can even run Minecraft pretty well with little lag
lbonini1gaming Well, its from 2002. Of course it'll be slow as f***. The eMac's that are NOT obsolete are the ones that have 1Ghz or faster processors-they will run just fine.
Great video! And you know what? Last weekend I left my MacBook Pro at work accidentally, and being the lazy fellow that I am, I pulled out my 12" iBook G4 (1.2GHz, 1.5GB RAM, 60GB HDD) and I was amazed at how well it still worked... in 2019!!! I use TenFourFox and Tiger Webkit to surf the web, VLC to watch videos, iTunes worked fine for playing music (locally on the HDD), and I could even run Starry Night 5 which I used to plan an observing session with my telescope on the weekend. I'm not saying I'd use the G4 as my only computer, but it certainly filled in admirably for my MBP for a weekend. An awesome testament to the longevity of some Apple products. Cheers!
This iBook would be fine for internet browsing if web standards weren't updated every 5 minutes! People TRY to make computers obsolete. At least you can still do non-internet work on old computers. This iBook G4 is still more technologically advanced than a Windows laptop from the last few years.
I have a Mac Mini G4, and I run morphOS on it, really brings out the power of the machine, it is just snappier than it was when it ran Tiger or Leopard.
Depends on the version. Its 111 Euro ($151) for the Powerbook, Ibook, PowerMac G5. 79 Euro ($108) for the eMac, Mac Mini, and the PowerMac G4. The thing is, PPC distros of linux aren't well supported. MorphOS may be $100 (an OEM copy of Windows 8 is $100 so yea), but when you register, every new version is given to you for free.
Jeffrey Baughman I do realize that the processor is old. However, there are plenty of things that bog down an old computer on the internet, and most don't lead up to the speed of the computer, but the almost zero compatibility it has with the new programs that it has to load, such as Flash.
I am sitting here on a Late 2004 iBook G4, maxed out, running 10.5.8, and believe me it pretty much sucks for surfing the net because of all the flash & Java....but for email, forums, & social sites it works well most of the time. The OS with iLife & iWork is fine for what I need everyday, battery life is good, screen is great, and it cost $90 shipped....who am I to complain?!
Here is the main reason why computers, as they get older, suck at internet surfing: Web standards change all the time for some stupid reason. Annoying companies like Google do it all the time. They update things so frequently that everything just gets slower and slower. Top that off with Flash Flash and more Flash and your computer is getting obsolete faster and faster. If we had left the web alone and not updated web standards for no apparent reason, we'd be able to surf the web fine on 10+ year old computers. Flash needs to die and the web needs to stop being updated every 5 minutes. Having a computer be slow on the web is practically the #1 reason why computers get obsolete so fast to users. If someone's computer cannot surf fast enough, they don't want to deal with it anymore.
***** Even with all that, most things are slower than necessary. The worst offender is Google; everything they create is updated for no reason and lags a ton.
maccollectorZ (Commenting Account) firefox i think is best as im typing this from my core duo macbook 1,1 running osx lion and as ive tried all three ! Hugo PowerPC Fanboy chrome does still run on core duo macs but they are now giving a warning that it'll soon be un supported
I'm running my 2003 PowerBook FW800 on FreeBSD and started watching this video until I saw that it was from 2010! It takes about 2 weeks to compile ports I use!
aquariums411 Don't use browsers to watch youtube on a G4 or other PowerPC processor. Use an app called MacTubes, and go into preferences and switch the player to QuickTime player. This will allow you to search videos in MacTubes and play them back without any lag or skips at all.
For some reason I like powerpc mac's, I think Apple lost allot of their uniqueness after the switch to intel, I want a powermac g5 but they are hard to find near me.
Jason C. A 2.5GHz processor will be utterly destroyed by a 1.5GHz processor from 2010, let alone 2015. Its 10 year old technology, its not going to be fast. I don't know where you got "Fast, even by todays standards" from but its not true. It may not be *slow* when doing light stuff like browsing the web, but put anything that needs more power than a hamster on a running wheel can provide(i.e playing HD) it will stutter like a bitch.
***** Sorry am i not joining in on you lot circle jerking over your old outdated hardware? Trying hard to convince yourself its as good as todays tech? Sorry. The G5 Macs can play Battle Field 4 like a gaming PC and export 1090p in seconds.
***** Circle Jerking? Needs to be more than one person to be a circle Jerk session my friend. Also, I wasn't praising new hardware, just condemning the old stuff that is horrifically out dated and obsolete. Its fact that a modern, under clocked, CPU will beat a CPU of 10 years ago even if its massively over clocked in comparison. Is stating fact circle Jerking?
Grateful for the video. I’d like to see you use one of these for a week now in 2020. I’m curious if there’s any Lennix platforms that would make this computer more useful today :)
I have to disagree with that one, but iBooks are definitely very advanced structurally. They're so meticulously put together physically and are still very stable computers that will do most of your everyday things with no problem.
sidharth chand You can upgrade the memory; I have no idea what you are even talking about. You can also use alternative browsers. I am not talking about the operating system when I say that my 2003 iBooks G4s are way more structurally advanced than a middle-aged Windows laptop. And the only reason why XP lasted so long was: It took a long time to first develope Vista, so people got used to XP more and more, but then Vista sucked so bad that "downgrading" to XP was the norm and it didn't even count as being an OS behind Vista. Then Win 7 came out and since Vista was trash, it was like XP was only one OS behind, which isn't so bad. Then Windows 8 came out and people hated it, so AGAIN it was like XP was only one OS behind. The iBook G4 and its OS are not as compatible because the PowerPC architecture stopped being supported by Apple, and its operating system wasn't like XP, which survived a long time just because Vista sucked and Windows 8 wasn't too popular. The latest OSs you can run on the iBook are Tiger and Leopard, and they are still more advanced and pleasurable to use than Windows 7; it's just that Leopard is 7 years old and didn't have the luck that XP had. Apple doesn't take forever to make an OS and then have it suck, fix it, then break it again. I can definitely doubt the intellgence of Windows users here. How can you not realize why XP lasted so long? It's not as if it was just THAT good.
Nick Dellorto The biggest thing is that the iBook is clean. Most Windows laptops today are still chunky and lumpy and not symmetrical. Some still use cheap plastic latches, while the iBook introduced their special magnetic ones in 2001/2002. There are just so many design features that are ahead of their time. The early 2000s PowerBooks also had illuminated keyboards, but that is starting to appear on Windows laptops today. It's all hard to explain, but you know what I mean.
maccollectorZ (Commenting Account) Nothing more true than that! Microsoft releases an OS after the months upon years of waiting, then even when it comes out it's basically unfinished and needs work, so people downgrade to the last OS, and more than likely that one has the same problems too. It's just a mess.
hi former ibookguy, I have a question on a ppc, I want to buy a Powermac g5 off craigslist with no HDD, is there any way I can see if the machine works without a HDD? I have one to put in it but I don't wanna buy a broken g5. thanks ahead of time.
+// Petro Sailor even though I'm not the ibookguy i can still help u. My suggestion is not to buy it because without the HDD there will be no OS on the mac so it won't even work. or What u can do is, if u are willing to buy a HDD seprately u can install windows xp or 7 on it since Apple does not provide OS install disks.
8Bit World Of Awesomeness thanks for the reply. i have decided not to buy it because it is a little fishy. and i have a hdd to use with it but ide have to install os x on it. and since its a g5, windows sadly wont work on it. thanks for the info
true, I use still an iBook G4 for simple tasks and it works just fine. I bet if I where using it to watch HD RU-vid videos in TenFourFox it would be unusable, but for checking E-mail, playing DVDs, playing flash games, checking the weather, creating word documents and syncing my iPod, it works just fine.
My 2003 1.0 GHz PowerBook G4 is still running. I got a new battery and a Wifi card and it is actually pretty useful. TenFourFox runs kind of slow but is still usable. RU-vid is super laggy. These machines would still be usable for light tasks such as email, word processing, and watching DVDs. In 2016 if you can find one for under $100 I would say its a good deal!
So weird to be watching this again a decade later. I still have my iBook G4. Web browsing works okay with ten four fox, but I still use it for office software and whatnot and it works great!
