I was once accused of sexual assault on a disabled woman, My picture was put in the newspaper and I lost my job, I managed to find 3 other jobs but was also dismissed from them, the case took a year to come to court and during that time my life was made hell, I had people attack me in the street and my partner left me for another man when the case was finally heard my accuser admitted that she had lied and there had been no assault, it came to light that the police knew she had done this twice before, I never received an apology or got my job back. It seems you are guilty until proven innocent, and even then you are still guilty.
A 15 year old white girl was being severely verbally sexually abused in my classroom. The boys (2 black and one turkish) would not stop making remarks and the girl was visibly shaken. I phoned for a deputy head who came. I told him what they had said word for word (I was embarrassed myself) and he took each boy outside to question them....then he said there was nothing to it as they ALL denied it and the fool believed them over me and he didn't bother asking any other students. The girl did not return to her GCSE class and I had to put up with them for 2 years....I put a complaint in but guess what....? THAT was in London in 2005....nearly 20 years ago.....
My daughter was bullied in primary school by a trans kid pretending to be a boy with lesbian parents….. I had to just leave the school in the end as these people were untouchable…5 years later I’m still homeschooling because of the lack of school places. I’m glad she’s not in mainstream education anymore however, she’s thrived being home educated.
"What is a woman?" are you thinking with whats in your pants or on a spiritual level .? . Folk have effeminate and masculine mannerisms ,Fact . I just call everyone twinkle ,saves all the fuss and bother .
I like to listen to a range of views, then make up my own mind. But to be frank, if I hear something on the mainstream media I tend to think the opposite is probably true (the same principle applies to anything Tony Blair says).
The name is synonymous with propagandist now. It’s forever tainted. It’s a pejorative. We need a new word to distinguish those seeking to inform - because the loathsome appellation “journalist” is an insult.
Interestingly I often see the comment on social media, when the subject of her being innocent is brought up, that people only say this because of "female privilege" or because she is a "blond white woman". Racism and identity politics have truly broken peoples brains.
@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb The reason you are so needed is because you are so rare. The number of people who are intelligent AND able to speak out is incredibly rare. Britain would be a much poorer place without you.
@@racheljames7the actual hard evidence is missing, the whole case against her is completely circumstantial, maybe she did commit those terrible crimes but we need hard incontrovertible evidence.
I worked in the nhs for 32 years, it had become a toxic environment where scapegoating was common. I transferred across to the private sector and I’m still there 11 years later, much improved environment for patients and staff.
@@AJ-hi9fd fair enough and no one is saying the culture isn't toxic. It doesn't mean the police set up a taskforce and investigate for 8yrs for nothing though and the CPS just go along with it
@@johnlocke9437 what I found most interesting reading about this was the statistical evidence presented, which failed to include details of deaths that occurred when she wasn’t present, and, as such, was then presented to the jury in such a way that made it seem she was there for 100% of the infant deaths. Particularly interesting, I thought, was that which was then commented on by another statistician who pointed out that, based upon the statistical analysis utilised by the prosecution, he could equally accuse 38 other nurses of being on duty and involved during similar infant deaths.
My recollection of Simon's first report is the victims were never identified. I didn't understand exactly what that meant, or how there could be a murder trial without a body.
could it be that someone 'of a certain colour and the current victimhood culture surrounding that colour had to be protected' was the culprit and Lucy was the scapegoat on less than questionable evidence. that way the 'powers that be' had time to arrange alibis, remove certain people and threaten others over silence. that way if she is ever released the truth has already been hidden?. just a theory.
I live in Chester and have been unfortunate to have been in the Countess, as have several family members. My brother and I both said we have doubts about this case, and think there's a real possibility she has been scapegoated to cover up deaths caused by the hospital's very low standards of care.
@@Northernlights-gv4vx - I know that because of several videos I watched some years ago, one of those videos was the American astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson who is known to have a very high IQ was chosen for Jury service. When they found out that he was teaching a course at a university about the unreliability of witness testimony and that he had a tendency toward inconvenient honesty, inconvenient to the prosecution that is they immediately rejected him as a juror.
@@Pushbike1894 they are meant to be, technically, but the law is seldom applied in that way. That's why there are test cases, trial by peers and constitutional rights - in theory. The interesting recent developments in English law are the (politically controlled) CPS (Starmer started that) and that the courts don't actually bother to follow the law at all now - yet MPs (generally) and Police won't touch it. One MP asking questions for me in The House was blatantly lied to, for example. The UK is utterly forked now. Russia and China are in fact far more just, but the propaganda keeps telling us they're the poor and corrupt ones... it's rubbish.
@@poppy1779So much gets brushed under the carpet. One of my best mates is a nurse. She is on about going to the UAE or Australia for work because she is sick of seeing malpractice within the service.
I was in hospital for a titanium plate in the wrist after an accident last year. They couldn't have been better. I think there's a regional aspect to this. I've heard that city hospitals aren't as good and have been struggling recently. It's still good service in the Wessex countryside.
Everyone should get copies of their notes. When I got mine I was shocked to see that what the Specialists had said to my face were totally different to what they had put in my notes. Some of it was quite distressing as the ones l thought were 'lovely ' were the worst
@@karenpearson6991 and I have to fight to get my monthly meds for my epilepsy which I've had for 15 years, and now since convid I get questioned as to why I need the meds! it's a joke..
And just like the silly clapping for the NHS on Thursday nights. Otherwise sensible neighbours gathered up their pots and pans and made a right racket in our road for about ten minutes. Why? It didn't make sense. Must have been some form of mass hysteria but why do so many people seem so vulnerable towards getting it?
There was an embargo on reporting on the case due to her recent retrial on one of the counts. The New Yorker wrote a great article about the case. Very concerning
As far as I can see, all the evidence in this case was circumstantial, and it was telling that the Judge said he would accept a majority verdict. Letby had already been found guilty by the media so it's difficult to see how the Jury couldn't have been influenced by that.
the media tell everybody not to travel to tenerife as they dont want tourists, you get there and what the media are saying and printing just doesnt exist i wonder how many didnt travel or cancelled their holidays reading that shit
The media weren't allowed to report on the case until it was finished so you're talking bollocks. I'm not defending the media but the chances of all those babies dying when she was on shift and none dying at any other time are astronomical. Who killed the babies? The bogeyman?
This isn't true. - There's writings of her own admitting to it. - She stalked the victims on social media taking glee in their pain. But a few conspiracy idiots try to undo 3 years of investigation with the circumstantial line. She's guilty.
@@col8353I've met several doctors who display sociopathic narcisistic behaviours. Also, I' have 3 close relatives who are nurses and have heard of many other crazy doctors through them. One consultant thought it acceptable to tell a group of nurses how his wife leads him around whilst he's naked except for a dog collar, and on all fours. And that he eats from a dog bowl during these occasions. Yea there are way too many crazy doctors
You try doing a basic degree to become a jack of all trades, master of none and a human signpost/triage nurse to someone who actually knows something you'd think you were God too
That first trial was reminiscent of a 17th Century witch trial. The discredited, long retired, paediatrician, Dewi Evans, was like some new Witchfinder General.
Be VERY careful when convicting on statistics alone. There was a case in the USA where a couple were convicted (I can't recall the exact details) along the lines of being near the scene were a black man, with a white partner, the partner had ginger hair and they were in a red car. Statistically the changes of that combination were calculated to be sooo small, that the only couple in the town fitting that bill were arrested and convicted. They were later released when the logic behind the mathematics was ripped to shreds.
Always had doubts on this. The NHS has to preserve it's holy, "spotless" reputation at all costs, and I can imagine departmental failures and poor vetting of "new" nurses had to be covered up somehow. If you have your kids writing your Nursing coursework (as is happening currently), your lack of professional ability will almost certainly have tragic consequences. My advice is keep an eye on the infant mortality rates in NHS trusts for a few years, and we'll find out what the truth really is.
Reputational protection for the nhs seems to be the main concern in this case. There are many similarities with the post office horizon scandal and I hope her case is investigated thoroughly by the media as the judiciary have let her down.
The infant mortality at the Chester Hospital was amongst the highest in the UK - the adjoining maternity unit had the 5th highest rate of stillbirths in the UK. The Hospital also was found to have failed to report the incidents of hospital acquired sepsis as they wre required to do. Sepsis is one o fthe leading causes of death in neonates.
Look at the data and you will see once you take away the number she was convicted for, there was still an excess well over the normal limit. She couldn’t have been anything to do with them as she was not at work. Systemic failure from the top down. We can’t be asking questions and ruining a couple of consultants lives now can we? Easier to throw her under the bus and they can get on with their lucrative lives.
@malcolmpayne8211 PRESUMED innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, yet they will still impose bail restrictions on you or hold you in prison until the court case if some plod thinks you will interferes with a witness or you'll abscond. So much for the presumption of innocence.
The NHS has such low standards of clinical practice and governance that it kills thousands and nothing is done, e.g. Mid-Staffs. Babies dying in ante-natal care is far too common.
@@quantisedspace7047 I have had experience in this hospital, its my local hospital. They have very low standards of care, I say that from personal experience. I have been in there, so have many family members. Me and my brother have said all along this could well be scapegoating and a cover up
Yeah getting several years for fraud you didn't commit compared to getting a life sentence for murdering 7 babies you didn't murder. Meanwhile grooming gangs...
@eleanorwalmsley635 Not true. She can appeal, not on the case, but on her defence conduct, practice and prosedure. There are other options. The European Court of Human Rights, etc.
I'm constantly shocked by coincidences that occur in my life. Here's just one example. Years ago I caught a train in Madrid, heading for Lisbon. I talked to an English girl who sat next to me. We must have exchanged addresses. Four years later I was at college and sharing a house with other students in Essex. One day a postcard arrived for me from her. How it managed to find its way to me after all this time and several changes of address I don't know. But the coincidence is that when one of my housemates saw it, and her return address, he told me that he had gone to school with her in Somerset and knew her well. Later in the same year I was away in Bristol and was stopped by a backpacker wanting to know how he could get to Bath. By coincidence I was about drive to Bath so he got in my car and we started talking. Turned out he also had grown up with someone else I was sharing the same house with. In the final year a guy with an antipodean accent came to live in the same house. He was a student from abroad. By chance we had grown up in the same neighbourhood decades earlier. Although we had never encountered each other then. I was older so that bit makes sense. This was a house of head scratching coincidences for me. I would never sit on a jury and vote to convict someone on the basis of coincidence. The fact is they happen and they make no one guilty of anything
I have a very common English name and have met up with others with the same name several times in my life. Once after landing at an airport there was an announcement for ___ ____ to go to the ticket counter. As I arrived at the counter, another fellow arrived at the same time. We both had the same name and he had been sitting by the window in the same row as I, on the aisle. BTW- the ticket counter message was for him.
@@HistoryDenied This excuse is rolled out hundreds of times. Especially in the USA and Caribbean It is the basis for their spurious reparations claims.
It's about time, the Guardian and Telegraph articles are going to be the first of many. It's been obvious for a long time that Lucy Letby is not guilty
There's a difference between the evidence shown in court being not strong enough for a guilty conviction, and a person being innocent. The experts the Guardian spoke to said the same thing. "While few of the experts the Guardian spoke to went as far as to say they believed Letby was innocent, the questions about the evidence called into doubt, they said, the safety of the convictions."
She loomed over dying babies while refusing to help them and watched as they struggled. She was on shift every single time. She harrassed the parents. She stole the babies records. She wrote in her own diary that she did it. How is it obvious she didn't do it when she did everything in her power to make herself look guilty as hell.
@@BasedinReality1984 I don’t know if she’s wholly innocent but I do think that she has been used to cover up other failings within the department and that a lot of the evidence was very circumstantial. I actually found myself agreeing with the closing statement of the article in the T’graph about this when it said ‘was justice served? Probably, but she certainly didn’t receive a fair trial’
@@kingsmead646 The Doctor who helped convict LL was retired, living in Cornwall, it wad said he was struck off for malpractice. He made every effort to insert himself into the investigation. Wonder why.
Many things struck me at the time. Lucy appears to "believe" she is responsible. This is hardly the same as actually BEING guilty! There was an indication of cover-up. Did not 6 autopsies show natural causes? The expert witness = the plumber? Also, did not the death rate continue AFTER Lucy was removed, and until the unit closed? As I said: cover-up!
It's high time her bosses were made to answer a few questions while under caution in a police interview room. I believe one of them went to live in France after retiring, but he/she should be brought back to England.
@@ruthbashford3176 yeah, the ones that happened when she was mysteriously alone in the room with the babies who then suddenly had tubes dislodged/air/insulin injected, because of… you know, it just happens & she’s the scapegoat 🤦
The court case highlighted error upon error made by the Drs, (12 hour delay in giving fluids; 6 hour delay in administering antibiotics; a tube placed too close to the baby's heart etc). For some bizarre reason the Jury just accepted the Drs' word that none of these errors could have caused death. Lucy Letby has been sacrificed by these Drs to save their own skins. Please never let this case drop, Simon.
The judiciary dont want to face their mistakes they never do, look how long other travisties of justice take to get overturned. When the evidence to overturn the convictions were known at the time of trial...but 'withheld'...!!
Take away the number she was convicted for and you will see there was still an excess of mortalities. Systemic failure of care and the unit was under pressure from an influx of sick babies from another unit at the time. There always has to be somebody at fault and rather than damage the reputations of a couple of highly regarded consultants…..well we know the rest.
Simon Retired child protection officer here of 30 years In all my time I’ve never known a conviction where only circumstantial evidence was used and in my experience in such emotional cases the SLIGHTEST doubt would be an instant discontinuance As I said before seriously unwell new borns in a critical ward as this do die sometimes no cause can be detected I still would like to Know since Letby was removed from that ward how many babies died?
My local hospital is the Countess of Chester and it has a shocking record to say the least, so this case has always roused my suspicion. My nieces seriously ill 12yr old was taken there 5 times over a two day period only to be misdiagnosed and sent home every time, on the third day he nearly died from sepsis and has never recovered.
Me too, I live in Chester and I've been in the Countess. I have had similar experiences with various family members over the years. And same, me and my brother have said all along that Lucy is a scapegoat to cover up widespread failings.
I’ve always thought this was a strange case (and more like a closing ranks of the Doctors involved than an actual serial killer operating in a hospital)
I think the deaths of small babies due to a certain medical procedure taken by pregnant mothers needed to be blamed on something else. Anything/ anyone else.
One thing that looks certain is that Letby's defence team were incompetent by not seeking out expert witnesses, some of whom already had expertise in similar cases
Doctors are reluctant to appear as expert witnesses for the defence in child death trials because of what has happened to doctors who have. (They were professionally targeted and one was struck off, although that was reversed on appeal).
Regarding her situation I too have had some doubts regarding this case. I for one know very well how people can be sent to prison for things they have not done. It is a huge issue in Scotland. Perhaps the NHS has used her as a scapegoat for there fast decline in the care system.
I don’t think it did take a year for mainstream media to pick up on the flaws in the case, they simply weren’t allowed to publish it until after the trial
@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb English law doesn’t allow newspapers to express their own opinions or that of others in relation to the evidence until after the trial. The fact that there were various appeals plus another trial delayed the newspapers response. That’s why we’re only hearing about it now.
@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb Indeed none of them had anything to say that was contrary to the official narrative. Not a single journalist did an investigation of the standard of care in the hospital, even that would have been the bare minimum at least one journalist of the MSM could have done before, and immediately after the trial but they didn't. The standard of journalism in this country is awful.
I have never seen the full facts and circumstances of the case and allegations. I always treat cases with unanimous and widespread coverage as curious if not suspicious. I find it immensely difficult that no one would have witnessed her pre, during and post killing the children she was convicted of killing.
I always wonder about " a jury of his/her peers". How can lay people, who have not much idea of law and evidence , police investigations, and are not experts on the subject, be allowed to judge a person? I know they hear and see all the evidence but absolutely NOBODY can be totally and definitely certain if a person did the deed or not, unless the accused was caught redhanded in the act , or confesses. And even a confession is suspect! I really don't know who could be the judge to decide either! Very difficult process!!
It's not all about so called experts - common sense from the common people - to see through the bureaucracy and fit up. All the cloak and dagger stuff and labelling of experts is to make sure we think they are superior. Keep your place !
Surely a true jury of her peers should have been made up of drs, nurses, hospital lab scientists who understand the nature of metabolic decompensation in very premature neonates?
I remember once reading that the newspaper which has a name a bit like Cardigan loses £113 for every copy it sells. So looks like some newspapers are more interested in propagating their agenda than making money. "The reason so much money is poured into deceiving us is because we have the power to change things" Whitney Webb
If there's one thing you can rely on the MSM for, it's not to tell anything near the truth. Or at least be the last ones to admit it. (ok, that's two things)
@@Steven-hq3go Yes, I recall that one. Depends how you read it. You can read it as a straight-up confession - or you can read it as "dear diary" stuff; a reaction to the atmosphere of suspicion, i.e. this is how I'm being made to feel. There were many more diary-entries saying she didn't understand what was going on.
@@Steven-hq3go Letby was reporting what people were saying about her in a reflective note. She also wrote that she did not do it in the same note. Nurses were encouraged to write reflective notes at the time - hopefully they no longer do so.
Well done Mr Webb. I watched your video at the time and was persuaded something was very much amiss. A shame for Lucy Letby that her defence barrister apparently lacks your ability to make a compelling case.
@@HistoryDenied Insufficient evidence and a complete distrust of the British establishment...it's almost as if we're to believe we must be extra vigilant, trust no one, even innocent looking nurses who have exemplary records because they'll attack ye kids. As if to distract from the real threat posed to children in this society of ours...or theirs!
@@HistoryDenied--- Reality. You seem like the kind of useful idiot that believed the antiWhite Fake News narrative of a pregnant White nurse trying to rob a group of black males of their bicycle... something that must happen every day, I'm sure.
There is a saying that doctors bury their mistakes, is this an example of medical errors that found a scapegoat in Lucy Letby. I live close to Chester and the local media had found her guilty from the start. Years ago cot deaths were blamed on the parents, it took a long time to discover the true cause. A lot of innocent people are jailed every year, is this another sad example.
Let's hope the justice system if she is innocent doesn't dig its heels in to maintain public confidence. I don't think she's a scapegoat, she either did it or found herself in very unfortunate circumstances to have all fingers pointing at her.
@@Steven-hq3go The truth may prevail, but i don't have much confidence in todays legal system. Once the media find you guilty, you face a massive challenge to clear your name. Cliff Richard paid a high price just to clear his name.
I shudder when I hear someone say "I'm completely innocent and I'm looking forward to my day in court". It seems these days, particularly if the case is politically inspired, that the guilty verdict is pre decided and just a formality. I didn't follow the Letby case, as the details of such accusations just upset and depress me.
But that's not what it's about!!! It's 'thinking' (a hunch) which has delivered her a guilty decision. It's the trial itself which is the problem - no actual physical evidence presented, all circumstantial.
Few people are aware of how counterintuitive statistics can be. This ignorance means they can be easily duped. The whole pharmaceutical industry has been doing this and skewing numbers to achieve their desired results for years.
Remember the hospital management had full confidence in her and made these doctors apologies for bullying and harassing her. Only God can judge her and the ones who have accused her.
The hospital has reason to attempt to downplay any potential foulplay. If she is charged with criminal offences then of course a human judge and jury may judge her in this life. If she didn't murder anyone then she won't be punished on judgement day for it.
This is indeed a wierd case. I see incompetence all over and swept under the carpet. In English law Appeal court judges can throw a case out simply if there is A Lurking Doubt. No other reason of Law. This is definately that case type. It is a unsound conviction.
the Scottish c19 enquiry found many elderly were ☠️ in care homes , not a mention in the MSM and no legal action being taken against the alleged perpetrators🤔All statements given under oath👍
Just think back many years to when the same things happened at Grantham Hospital and we heard the usual “ Lessons have been learned and steps taken to ensure it never happens again” With all the incidents swept under the carpets in hospital management offices it must be getting quite uneven to walk on!
She needs to be able to appeal and get a proper defence. Even the Drs who gave evidence didn't find anything wrong when the children died and were happy with their opinions, they died of sepsis until they were facing misconduct charges. As were the coroners.
What i questioned about this was there didn't seem to be any physical evidence presented of the crime. There was a notebook with some disturbing ramblings which didnt seem to provide absolute proof or intent. The rest seemed to be made of a series of coincidences. On the face of them i think a leap was made.
You must understand, the msm will *never* go against the common concensus. I guess there are now enough dissenting voices to make them brave enough to write on it.
I noticed the phenomenon with a certain disease in 2020 - the media re now admitting it was probably made in a lab after spending years cancelling anyone who said it was.
There was also a detailed article in the New Yorker last month, raising the exact same concerns. This is a terrible miscarriage of justice, and you’re right, it has been obvious all along.
Agreed! I read that piece, it's about 30 pages, last month from the American journalist to a Dr. friend of mine, and they were shocked. It takes about an hour to read, but it's well worth it. She was railroaded! In the recent trial, they actually used an expert's testimony, that even the expert said, was the opposite to his findings (!), in order to convict her. A travesty.
I can understand when a newborn helpless baby is murdered and how horrendous a crime it is,but if the baby was murdered in the womb,that is just a procedure and legal.
"One of the worst miscarriages of justice that this country has ever seen." That bar is set extremely high, but I agree with every word that Simon says.
There are a lot of people who questioned the 'evidence' and her conviction. It seems to me there was an awful lot of arse covering going on by the trust and the doctors involved. She is a convenient scapegoat.
Let's face it, in the UK you are innocent until found guilty by the press. It would be interesting to compare with the baby mortality rates at that hospital after she left.
No it's not just you. I think your video about her was how I discovered your excellent channel. Norman Fenton's video convinced me that she is a scapegoat. Poor woman. I hope she will get justice and compensation soon.
Rather like the post office scandal revealed years ago by Andrew Bridgen but ignored, like the current excess deaths. I'm surprised that Simon hasn't noticed.
I followed all 50 hours of the Lucy Letby podcast and was not convinced there was guilt beyond reasonable doubt. An unsafe conviction. I know of a friend who blew the whistle on regular widespread gross misconduct at a psychiatric unit in the north west. Despite even filming staff asleep all night (sleeping off drug use) in empty beds, the padded room and the work station HE was put on gardening leave for 18 mths and thought he would lose his job. He felt suicidal and had counselling. He returned to work with the same people who were guilty of blatant misconduct…scapegoated a good man and didn’t deal with the misconduct and gross negligence.
Thank you Simon. The way this case was tilted from the start raises serious concerns. And today I note that even the jury were undecided on 20 out of 22 cases in the first trial. That's hardly a compelling affirmation of her guilt, even without any medical evidence for the defence or any questioning of the deeply flawed statistical basis for the cluster.
