Agree. Especially the lumber that has been used in more recent 'renovations' by previous owners. It's still usable. The framing in between the bedrooms, that flooring that was lifted can be refurbished. It will save some money too & avoid any possible delay in waiting on wood deliveries. Not saying all of it can be recycled, but it's definitely worth a day away from demolition to pick through the rubble and set aside a portion of the good timber that can be reused.
Ich würde Raum für Raum entkernen und jeden Raum für sich erstmal aufräumen. Bevor ich dann an den nächsten Raum ran gehe. Aufgeräumter, sauberer Arbeitsplatz ist das A und O bei einer so großen Renovierung. I would gut room by room and tidy up each room separately first. Before moving on to the next room. A tidy, clean workplace is the be-all and end-all of such a major renovation.
Oh, that's wonderful! It looks so much better even though there is a slight mess. The people in the 1980ies no doubt had their reasons, but seen from nowadays, their alterations to the building seem atrocious. I'm glad you're taking everything out.
Absolutely, they clearly needed bedrooms for their children and that would have been the cheapest and easiest way to have them. Having spoken to the lady who lived there I know they intended to convert the rest of the attic but we’re just never able to so it stayed the way it is for all these years. It was also nice to hear that they all had a very happy life while they were here.
@@theoldstationrenovation Oh, that's interesting, thanks! I'm living in an old house with big coversion plans myself so I totally understand how huge such projects can be. All the best of luck and stamina to you guys!
I would save some of the boards even if you have to cut the ends off. They will come in handy in your renovation. I would definitely clean up all that mess before moving forward. The space seems more open and more light coming in.
Yeah, they’re going in the outbuildings so they can stay dry without being in the way….and I’ve been told I have to go and clean up before I do anymore 😢
Good morning from Oz, I feel Gill needs a tool belt, and you need a Skip Bin outside of the window, and then just through everything in the bin, Cheers
Tidy up as you go should be his mantra, lol, but seriously, it should be.Accidents happen way too easily. And i hope he is salvaging as much as possible of old timber and flooring. Seems he's just tearing out with no real plan. Have been enjoying your channel so far. Don't get me wrong. Just some helpful thoughts.
I know it doesn't look like it but I did try to do as little damage as possible and apart from the beams which have pipe holes in I mostly got them up without much damage, hopefully to be used again. Thanks for watching and helpful thoughts are always gratefully received!
guys DO NOT THROW OUT THOSE FLOOR BOARDS!!!!!!!! They are expensive these days. Get your hands on a really good flat sander, along with respiratory protection. Then put the girls to work. A little stripping, sanding, then stain. They will look fantastic!
Tearing stuff up is fun but now you're going to have to rig some type of chute to get the junk into a dumpster. There looks like a lot more to do so I'd do that before proceeding with more teardown. Get yourself that Sawzall as it will make the tearouts way easier. And yes, it looks as though vermin have had a long term residence between the ceiling and the floor. Cross that bridge when you come to it. Love those huge beams you've uncovered.
A chute would definitely have been easier! I think I’ve now got to the point wheee my lack of skill is going to mean I have to hand over to the professionals, we have a team ready to come in, rip out and dispose of the rubbish. As for the vermin, the cats have moved in now so I imagine they’ll have made short work of any that were still around!
I found you yesterday and im hooked, you're fulfilling alot of peoples dreams. Im determined to watch in order so i dont want to know yet how its going but i can hardly wait
I like on the preview post how it says "We made a big Mess" It totally looks to me that Gil made the big mees all by himself. Billy J... Queensland Australia.
Wow! The spaces at the ends were always small, but that central room could possibly be extended beyond where the hallway now sits to make a good sized space. It's likely all of that would have had to come out anyway. When you can see the unobstructed ceiling beams and supports, you'll know what space you have. Cutting off those windows was a crime. The smaller spaces could work as bathrooms, or closet space. I'm always the one who follows the guys around, picking up and pulling out nails and collecting them in a secure tub, as I'm always afraid one will go through my foot. With all of the heavy yard work I do, my doctor recommended I get a booster for my tetanus shot.
Absolutely agree, the hallway is coming out to leave one large full height room in the middle of the building. It’s a good job I wore my boots for this cos there were a few times I misstepped and caught a nail!
Time to hire a structural engineer. Have him/her look at the roof and calculate what you would need to do to remove the steel beam - there may be some interesting possibilities to make the roof structural sound without the space constraints that a steel beam imposes. Technology has moved on, but steel is always comforting!
Me, again, from California USA. 1) What is a SAS Pit? All I get is Special Air Services. 2) I get the feeling that the original Station didn't have a second floor. Could it have been added during the first restoration 50 years ago? Large vaulted ceilings were common in public buildings a century ago. Love the videos. Be careful Gil.
@@stuarttoal2832 : Thank you. Between her accent and closed captioning saying 'SAS pit' I was a bit confused. My 67 year old brain didn't engage. Of course, we yanks call it a cesspool. 😆😆👍👍
This really could be a stunning home guys. I appreciate it’s a long way off, you are just at the start of your journey. However, when your train reaches the station, it will be a destination you’ll be happy with lol. Keep up the great work and be safe xx
Things usually get worse, before they get better 😊 A long way to go, but you’re on the path to the end. Keep on top of the clearing up & it won’t look so bad.
I know your going to do your best to make this a home but I really think that having all the bedrooms in a ground floor addition rather than trying to put a second story on the old station would be better use of space and honors the history of the rail station. but untill you strip the old station and do a full survey of what you have the architects will have a better idea of what to suggest.
Gill looks like my kind o guy. A swingin hammer and a wrecking bar are the basic requirement for that job. On another matter my current abode had all the planks screwed down with industrial grade screw nails (the boards used to squeek apparently).Took me hours to lift the boards in the living room.
Sunday morning cup of tea and slice of toast Local produced Bramble jam and a station video what more can a bloke want.. I agree clean as you go because there's nothing worse than tripping over what you yourself have put on the floor. Nicely done sir. Crack on
Sounds like a perfect Sunday morning to me (although I’m a coffee man myself)! I can confirm I have now cleaned up… and it was not as much fun as the knocking down bit!
Love watching your journey. Watching the speeded up bitz islike watching some of the old comedy sketches like The Plank 1967. Your hubby is certainly a worker.Something the young of today need to take note of. Keep up with the good work and doing the youtube updates
Thank you very much, after days on end spent behind a desk I love the chance to do something a bit more energetic!! And thank you very much for watching, we're very grateful 😊
The secret to restoration is before moving to other rooms clean the area. Stack all the wood in a dry location materials these days are very expensive, even if you do not use the wood it sells well people love reclaimed floorboards.
I did finally clean up today and put the boards in the outbuildings to keep them dry. Hopefully they can be used again in the renovation but if not someone else would be welcome to them.
It may be pedantry on my part but the structures supporting the original roof are timber trusses not beams. In this episode it is clear that the bottom boom was cut in the original conversion to create the corridor. I trust the builders reinforced them in some way to keep the strength.
I hadn't realized that part of the trusses had been cut in the process of making the hallway. I hope that doesn't compromise them. (And I wonder if somehow the missing portion of the trusses can be restored, perhaps with joinery. An expert, of course, would know.)
Trusses, good to know, thanks. There is a steel parallel to the truss under the floor and there are two vertical timbers transferring the load onto the steel. There’s probably a builders term for this but as I’m sure you’ve realised we have very little actual knowledge!! We’ve had plans from the engineer for removing the ones we need to without having the roof fall in.
@@theoldstationrenovation In your later videos I noticed the builders introduced a vertical member that flanks the line of the corridor which I imagined was supported by the steel beams you mentioned. It seems a shame that the trusses were altered but there doesn't seem any other option to create the upper floor. You have done the right thing by employing a structural engineer they should keep you on the right path, good luck.
I strongly encourage you to bring in your engineer and show him the trusses that were cut. They are visible at 9:08 and 9:46 in this video. While you didn't show them, I suspect that the steel beams you mention replace the horizontal member of each of those lovely king trusses that was removed during the prior "renovation" -- a better word is "desecration". The bottom of each King Truss is in tension -- it keeps the weight of the roof (slate!) from pushing the walls apart. My first thought is to somehow restore the portions that were removed. The point remains, though, that the purpose of those steel beams is probably NOT to bear weight -- they instead carry the tension that was originally handled by the horizontal members of the two king trusses. Removing those horizontal members made significant changes to the entire King Truss and everything around it. I would want a professional opinion about how adequate those beams are and whether a better option now exists. This demolition is a really important and significant step. By the time you finish, you'll have a much more clear picture of what must happen next -- both structurally and cosmetically.
I hope you are saving the floor boards for future flooring . It is time to bring dumpsters for all the plaster, scrap wood and insulation. Where are your two kids? Aren't they going to be part of this project? Time to bring the architect/engineer to the site before you do any more demolition.
The floorboards are all being saved, hopefully for future use. The girls are really enjoying the project but they are a bit shy and have been hiding from the camera! The architect has been involved for quite a while now and the engineer has been in and sent us the plans for the structure. We just need to get budgets in place so the professionals can come in and start the real work!
I'd say they made a "floating floor" for the first floor as they didn't want to move pipes or put any weight on the walls below. Good work with the clean up.
Thank you, I did the clean up today and can confirm that it is nowhere near as much fun as the demolishing! The steel seems to be bearing the weight of those roof beams where they have been cut away. I guess that why there is so much space between the ceiling and floor. Hopefully this will mean we can gain about a foot of headspace.
At the risk of stating the obvious, please finish stripping out timber, plasterboards, ceilings etc from the upstairs rooms before you take up any more floorboards!! Makes life much easier and safer! I'm working solo on stripping out my 1930's semi-detatched council house (@s35project). Last time I had a couple of hours to spend there I was breaking upstairs ceilings, albeit from below on a small stepladder (skim, plasterboard, plaster, lath then loose fill insulation all coming down) Proper dusty, eye protection a must as well as gloves and mask. One of the most useful tools has been a garden spade, great for breaking plasterboard. I'm sometimes uber-cautious so have been de-nailing pretty much everything as I go. The laths I've been breaking into 6-8" pieces and boxing up for friends to use as kindling. I take it all your old electrics and plumbing are dead? Ps, Be encouraged, I'm sure you'll make a great job of the old station, thank you for sharing it with us, and keep stepping back to enjoy the fruits of your labour.
Thanks for the tip, makes sense (you may have noticed I have far more enthusiasm than skill or knowhow)! The plumbing is still working as we need use of the toilet for the time being but the electric in the house has been disconnected so I don't need to worry about wires. Is @s35project the channel for your project, I'm always interested to see how other people are getting on?
So when the upper floor was added a structual engineer specified the orginal floor joists wern't strong enough to take the upper floor loading. So steels and some hefty looking joists were add to take that load.
It must be great getting those walls down and really seeing the space you have to work with. Bless him, who needs a gym workout when you are pulling a train station apart. I bet you both sleep well at the end of the working day. X
The end shot looks like you've had vandals in, but I know this is only the start. Not sure why the 80's build had triangle doors from the hall space, I guess that was to mirror the cross beams? They could have gone with a normal door from the corridor though. Nice to know what you can have a smaller floor/ceiling which means those high windows will be seen downstairs. it will be interesting to see the open area from the old main waiting room. that would great with just a couple of upstairs rooms with a bathroom perhaps? great as usual not seen the hounds or the kids of late are they sleeping in the caravan?
I suppose you could say it has had a vandal in it 😃! We are in as of this weekend so likely to be more of the dogs featuring in coming weeks. As for the girls, it’s the Easter holidays so they’ve hardly got out of bed!
Good progress. The demolition part is always the most fun. 😅. As others have commented......clear up as you go, save all the pieces of wood like floorboards etc, until you are absolutely certain you don't want them. Get a skip right under an upstairs window so you can toss stuff out and not have to move it murderous times.
Absolutely, much more fun than the cleaning!! 😁 The floorboards have gone into the outbuilding for safekeeping. I don't think we could get a skip into that bit of the back but I'm going to throw the plasterboard out and barrow them round to the front. Not ideal but not too bad.
A lot of work completed. I watch videos about 2 Ukrainian people who have a farm in Belgium they’re sorting & the 1 thing I like about them is they always clean up as they go-it’s a pity we don’t see that as it gives a better perspective. Australia 🇦🇺
I must admit I'm not much of a clean as you go person, that said I have now cleaned up and it looks a lot better! What's the name of the channel you're talking about, I'd love to have a look?
❤wonderful space indeed yes clear up the mess let him help you too I guess you have a large tip to put all your stuff in once finished it can be taken away great he was able to lift the floor boards you have discovered more space and clean that area of all that is there. Do you have any plans or drawing of the area ? This will be bedrooms and bath room so that is your idea are you going to replace staircase? Position? Or leave that with finding more space you can change things perhaps oh! Decorating planing you are at the fun part take a piece of paper start drawing it what you would care for and wait for the rest of your family add there opinions! That's the way forward sorry about the delays with elec and water being fixed up may that soon be sorted for you the septic tank power you an other serious time working to remove roots yet once done its done for life and its an old building soon you will be feeling the balance returning to your life this part of the project is discover some good some not so, yet never give up soon its going to be summer the positive part the roof is good once the caravan is all plugged in you will be better living next to your lovely station happy days ahead to you and family ❤❤❤
Hi, thanks for the lovely comment and sorry it’s taken so long time reply, it’s been hectic! We have plans and they have been approved so now it’s all about time and budgets, we’re hoping to have the whole interior taken out soon as we can’t do anything until this is done. We have a team ready to go so just working out when we can go ahead. The stairs are going to be taken out along with the wall and ceiling to leave a large room which is open to the roof. We haven’t got any firms ideas for decorating other than we want to stay in keeping with the age of the building and traditional as possible. We’ve managed to get all our utilities in now, you may have seen the septic tank video by now. I’m happy to say it’s all working well and we are warm, dry, cosy and plumbed in! 😊
There may not have been a 2nd floor originally in that area. That may be the reason the upstairs framing is covering the outer windows. That may have been a 2 story open room from floor to roof..
In the previous video I responded to a question about the three small windows which are being covered by the floor joists. It is fairly obvious that at some stage in order to have the floors as they are upstairs now, the ceilings downstairs had to be "dropped". This is evident in a number of places including the two small painted-over windows in the attic area where the ceiling fell through. That ceiling is definitely "dropped" and not the original which would have been much higher as those two windows would have been part of the waiting room. The same goes for the three small windows in each of the far end rooms. The floor joists as they are now are not original, having been put in to provide full height upstairs at the expense of the ceilings downstairs. In the room with the small window that was being used as a jettison for the rubbish, there's a line between the painted bricks and the unpainted ones. That will mark where the old original ceiling height was from downstairs. If you wanted to have the three highlight windows back in your kitchen again and didn't mind losing the space in that upstairs room you would just need to remove the floor joists and raise the kitchen ceiling. I hope what I have said all makes sense, although you probably know all of this already!
Thank you, we can also see some original floor joists that have been cut through above those small windows, not everywhere, the floor doesn’t seem to be throughout originally.
@@theoldstationrenovation It's fascinating to look at what was, compared to what is now. It does leave you with a bit of a dilemma however, as if you want to retain standing room upstairs then you really can't raise the downstairs ceilings and take advantage of the small windows which are presently covered up. I'll be following with interest to see what you end up doing.
Any planning permisions would have been obtained from your local authority planning office. They would have required to be passed by the buildings inspector upon completion. It would help if you knew when the application was made. Check the sides of the steel beam, as this may have a date welded on its side. Your village development plan states that they are supportive of buildings retaining their original character. e,g wooden window frames. roof tiles, etc. You should consider this when you apply for planning permisions as they are more likely to be granted. I know that you have an architect, but it is helpful, if they are familiar with what is likely to be accepted or rejected by your authority. Dont be afraiid of contacting your planning office, informing them of your intentions. They may be very helpful in guiding your decisions. It could save you a lot of time and money. Also have you looked at your land registry documuments, and title deeds, these may contain a copy of the original building plan. They can be quite interesting as they also contain previous owners of the land.
First is to clear up you'll see more, It looks like the beams have been put in at some point during the previous renovation, I would see if l could use the beams again and realign them above the window's that will save a lot of money. Keep up the good work 👍.
I have followed your journey at the old station and it's fascinating to watch but please be aware of health and safety during the demolition, I've seen too many people hurt them selves .
I’ve learned a great deal from the comments when it comes to safety, masks, goggles, boots etc. People have been so helpful in the comments. Thank you 😊
hey guys from aberdare. loving the updates. wish the vlogs were longer than 10mins. be nice to see more .. also have you showed/told us what up dated plans you doing to the station? reading in the comments below, be nice if you could find the company that did the renovation and see the plans.
You’re just up the road! 😊 We’ve had all the plans done and will be putting them up in future videos. The work that was done was all by the previous owner who was a builder himself , I don’t know if there are any plans that exist on paper, although I’d love to find them if they were.
Demolition is always the funest part of a restiration or remodel...lol Just be glad that you are dealing with drywall and fiberglass insulation vs. the dirt and straw insulation covered with plaster the Pethericks are dealing with at the convent... BTW: looks like feet and ankels are working just fine for this job... lol
Haha, so far so good… few aches and pains but I’ll survive! I’m not fully up to date with the Pethericks as yet, lot of content, I’m looking forward to seeing that one though!
In a previous video you asked what we thought about the plastic windows. As a rail fan I'd love to see orgional stuff however wood windows need regular maintenance and as you will be living there and the plastic windows look fine I would leave them , I would try to imadgine how it would be today if still in rail use and what changes would have been made assuming the building suvived and had't become a bus type shelter. That little wall is annoying outside the back door I hope Gill knocks it down.
Laura is a huge fan of wooden windows but we have to be pragmatic, we know we can't have the top end of everything so we'll have to pick our battles. Do you mean the wall around the sheltered area, if so then we agree... but I'll leave that to a professional to remove!
@@theoldstationrenovation yes I mean that low wall in the sheltered area that would have opened onto the platforms, really enjoying your videos and would love a similar project myself but alas I don't have the budget.
Ah yes,the joys of an old septic system,good to discover now and replace I guess. Safety glasses are so important all the time especially during demolition 🤓👍. Keep up the good work and before you look too far ahead,look back and be proud at what you have achieved already 😊
Thank you! 😊 I'm glad we've found out sooner rather than later... could have ended up with a very nasty surprise coming down the pipe!! (and glad you noticed my safety glasses, I really am learning from the comments 😁)
Your next step is to start clearing that mess up. Save the boards for recycling on flooring. Also, by ripping out everything, you have a blank canvas to start over. Plus, now you can see what boards are the weight bearing studs and how to incorporate the windows in the final design.
Not as mush fun as ripping out but I have finally tidied up! Now we can see why the floor is so deep (the metal beams) we know that we'll be able to lower the floor and make a feature of the upper windows, it would have been a real shame to have had to cover them.
The ststion is looking rsther disheveled upstairs, but thst is part of the process of what you are doing, but please keep all the usable timber and floorboards, best regards from a Kiwi living in Australia
Thank you for watching and hi from south Wales! 👋 All the wood has gone into the outbuildings to keep it dry, hopefully some of it can be reused, it would be a shame not to.
Gill needs a bump helmet, a better mask and hearing protection. Sooner or later he will stand up in the wrong spot and drive a nail into his skull. Not a joke. Having seen this episode, I think you need to be doing a bit of research into the original plans of the building (Railways have archives) and bring on a consulting engineer as to me it looks as if the integrity of the roof structure (at least) has been improperly altered.
Install a chute/slide and put a skip at the bottom to get rid of the upstairs mess. Keep the floor boards, to sand and revarnish or just carpet over. You will save a fortune.
I am confused, the steel I beam (joist) still cuts across the top of the window!! Be interesting to see how you get round that. I agree, clean it all out, then continue one section or room at a time whilst cleaning out as you go. Nothing worse than leaving it to the end to clean up, its so demoralising. Otherwise thoroughly enjoying your work as you go, especially as I dont have to do anything other than turning my PC off LOL. If I lived nearby I would volunteer my services for nothing but I dont.
Hi Chris, looks like the beam is completely level with the window so it'll have to come out unless we want a couple of random steps upstairs! Thanks very much for watching and if you ever find yourself in south Wales I'll hand you a crowbar! 😆
@@rosertaylor6139 i dont think plasterboard , wool insulation and a bit of pine timber is load bearing. Look at the layout it is three rectangular boxes, each having their own roof supports onto the main walls, the main run in the middle of the middle box is probably the most important with either a central wall being supported by some substantial down timbers, and/or two shorter timbers onto a pair of intermediate walls, though it looks like steelwork has been created to carry more load to the outside walls.
All the renovations i have done, one things is always the same: Until the last half hour of the work it looks like a wreck. Just at the end of the work, when you put on the wallpaper or whatever, the look changes completely.
That's very reassuring, thank you! There have been moments when I've just felt like I'm making more mess than progress but like you said, it'll come together.
The door was unnecessarily pointy, I was waiting to see why they did so and there was no reason😊 hope you saved the piece of red glass. It would be handy for someone that does lead lighting
I can see that if you lift the floor joists to up above the window level you are going to have much less headroom in the rooms above any new floor. What do you think you might want to use those rooms for?
The rooms are going to be bedrooms, we’re planning to lower the floors to the bottom of the upper windows so they will be at ground level on the first floor. Not the perfect solution but the only one that will give us enough headroom and have the windows exposed.
